[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11811

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. 80/10/10?
From: Cherie Ferebee
1b. Re: 80/10/10?
From: GWB
1c. Re: 80/10/10?
From: costrowski75
1d. Re: 80/10/10?
From: carnesbill
1e. Re: 80/10/10?
From: Nathalie Poulin

2a. Re: lactating bitch refusing raw
From: tottime47
2b. Re: lactating bitch refusing raw
From: Phil Scala
2c. Re: lactating bitch refusing raw
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: stinky gaaaas
From: borodeauxs

4a. Re: Getting Started--at a loss
From: brutus_buckley

5.1. Re: new to raw feeding
From: Andrea

6a. How much heart is too much?
From: cresco299
6b. Re: How much heart is too much?
From: costrowski75
6c. Re: How much heart is too much?
From: carnesbill

7a. Feeding poultry - home grown vs store bought
From: Marion
7b. Re: Feeding poultry - home grown vs store bought
From: carnesbill
7c. Re: Feeding poultry - home grown vs store bought
From: Joanne Thompson

8a. Re: Most valuable/least valuable meat?
From: Kristen

9.1. Re: Getting Started
From: Nathalie Poulin

10.1. Re: Nature's Variety
From: pet.wellness

11a. Re: Little odgs
From: geraldinebutterfield

12a. Re: Poo wrapped in mucous
From: geraldinebutterfield

13. Re: How much heart is too much? Training treats
From: Suzie G

14. Re: Not going bathroom//What does liver look like? *Training treats?
From: Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com

15. Drinking a Ton of Water
From: Eve

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1a. 80/10/10?
Posted by: "Cherie Ferebee" oceanbaylabradors@yahoo.com oceanbaylabradors
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:49 am ((PDT))

What is the 80/10/10 that some people are refering to? Oh, and what is the best kind of scale to get for weighing food? I need one the is reasonably priced. Any reccomendations?

Thanks bunches!
Cherie

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1b. Re: 80/10/10?
Posted by: "GWB" chiksika@wowway.com kioqua
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:54 am ((PDT))

Cherie Ferebee wrote:
> What is the 80/10/10 that some people are refering to?
It's just a guideline to help people get started. Feed items that are
mostly meat and you'll do fine! 80% meat-10%organs-10% bone. You don't
need to think of that though as anything even remotely close to as a
formula! Just a starting point.

> Oh, and what is the best kind of scale to get for weighing food?
You don't need a scale!

Gerry Brierley
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life. -Muhammed Ali

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1c. Re: 80/10/10?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:59 am ((PDT))

Cherie Ferebee <oceanbaylabradors@...> wrote:
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> What is the 80/10/10 that some people are refering to? Oh, and what
is the best kind of scale to get for weighing food? I need one the is
reasonably priced.
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80% meat (includes fat, skin, connective tissue and flesh)
10% edible bone
10% organ meat (half liver, half all the rest)

This is the general, approximate ratio of construction materials that
go into building the prey animals our predators would likely eat.

It is a guideline, a way to judge if you've gone off feeding too much
bone (most people are inclined to feed much more bone than their dogs
nutritionally need) or if you're neglecting organ meat or if you aren't
getting enough meat into the dog (a good raw diet is driven by meat).
The percentages are not cast in bronze and as with all things dog, your
dog's needs (which you will attune to as you gain experience) are your
final answers.

You don't need a scale. If you positively cannot live without one,
there are cheapy battery-run digitals everywhere. Fancy schmancy is
definitely not needed.
Chris O

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1d. Re: 80/10/10?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:59 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cherie Ferebee
<oceanbaylabradors@...> wrote:
>
> What is the 80/10/10 that some people are refering to?

It's a very very very loose guidline as to the porportion of
meat/bone/organs to feed your dog. As long as you feed a variety of
animal parts from a variety of animals, there is no need to worry
about it. It is not a critical ratio. I've been feeding raw for
over 4 1/2 years and have never given a thought to that ratio.

> Oh, and what is the best kind of scale to get for weighing food?

Don't waste your money on scales. You won't use it for more than a
couple of weeks anyway if you use it that long. You will very
quickly learn that a meal for your dog is a chicken leg, or leg
quarter, or half chicken or whole chicken depending on the size of
your dog and the frequency of feeding. You will base everything
else on those sizes. You will very quickly be able to gauge exactly
how much to feed.

If your dog starts to get a little plump, feed less ... getting a
little thin? feed more. Yes, it's that easy.

To answer your question, I have seen scales at Walmart. Don't know
how good they are or the price.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1e. Re: 80/10/10?
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:12 am ((PDT))

Do you really think you need a scale?
The 80/10/10 is 80% meat, 10% bone, 10% organ (about
5% being liver), but if you ask me, it's just way too
much trouble to think that hard.
Get a nice juicy, piece of meat and give it to your
dog.
As long as you balance it out over time, your dog will
do just fine without meticulously calculating out
every meal.

Nathalie

> What is the 80/10/10 that some people are refering
> to? Oh, and what is the best kind of scale to get
> for weighing food? I need one the is reasonably
> priced. Any reccomendations?
>
> Thanks bunches!
> Cherie
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2a. Re: lactating bitch refusing raw
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:49 am ((PDT))

Hi Kathy,

You mentioned that your other dog, who's always been fed raw, is
also refusing raw?

Is there any chance you got some meat that is somehow tainted? Maybe
with chemicals we can't smell?

My dog refused a pork roast I bought. Brought it straight home from
the store so it was fresh.
I tried for a week and he wouldn't touch it, no matter how I
presented it, seared, cut, chopped, ground, lol. Offered it again a
month later and he still wouldn't eat any of it.......
I finally decided, since he will eat everything else, something had
to be wrong with that piece of meat......I pitched it........

I bought it during the melamine scare reported in pig feed and always
wondered if it wasn't tainted with melamine as he acted the same way
he'd acted about his k***le before I changed him to raw.......

Carol, Charkee & Maggie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Kathy" <xanadu8@...> wrote:

I am having a problem with my Portuguese Water Dog bitch refusing to
eat raw. Funny thing is our 1 yr old from the last litter is also on
the "raw is icky" band wagon, and she has been fed raw from the
beginning.

Thanks,Kathy L

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2b. Re: lactating bitch refusing raw
Posted by: "Phil Scala" tengaishibas@comcast.net cpmmc
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:12 am ((PDT))

Hi, I had a similar but not as severe issue with my Shiba Inu bitch. In
her last 7-10 days of pregnancy would eat mainly "soft" foods, organs,
tripe, gizzards etc, and not nearly as much as I thought she should be
eating. Some days she would take eggs and cottage cheese, some not.
After whelping, the same for the first 2 weeks or so. I was at
first worried she wasn't eating enough bone/calcium, but the 3 pups all
gained steadily every day. After about 3 weeks she started eating a
more varied diet. The pups weaned at about 7 weeks old onto raw and all
did great. The bitch looked great all along, and only lost just under a
pound of weight.
Phil

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2c. Re: lactating bitch refusing raw
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:33 am ((PDT))

"tottime47" <tottime@...> wrote:
>Offered it again a
> month later and he still wouldn't eat any of it.......
> I finally decided, since he will eat everything else, something had
> to be wrong with that piece of meat......I pitched it........
>
> I bought it during the melamine scare reported in pig feed and always
> wondered if it wasn't tainted with melamine as he acted the same way
> he'd acted about his k***le before I changed him to raw.......
*****
Since the presence of melamine went unnoticed in wet petfood until
cynauric acid got into the act, my guess is your dog was not responding
to melamine, but rather that the pork was "enhanced" for flavor and/or
juiciness.

Chris O

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3a. Re: stinky gaaaas
Posted by: "borodeauxs" Borodeauxs@googlemail.com borodeauxs
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:49 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, nickandnoel@... wrote:
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> would the sweetbreads be causing the gas? Maybe that I don't
> understand..doesn't sweetbreads have nothing but grain, sugar and
yeast in it. In humans
> yeast can reactly badly with GI tract and cause severe gas. it
is possible
> the gas is caused by the sweetbreads..get rid of them and see if
it changes
> (give it at least two weeks)..then if that doesn't work..try
something else.
>
> Belching, burping is something mine due immediately after eating
but I don't
> notice it during the day, just at night when they are eating.
>
> Lillian

no grain in sweetbread,..sweetbread is the B***s of a pig,..
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4a. Re: Getting Started--at a loss
Posted by: "brutus_buckley" brutus_buckley@yahoo.com brutus_buckley
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:50 am ((PDT))

Sophie,
It would better to avoid the premade raw products. The bottom line is
you don't know what goes in them. For example, a lot of chicken is
enhanced, and the only way to know is if you buy it yourself and read
the packaging. "Enhanced" means the meat has been injected with
saline solution. Since you need to feed a no-salt diet, you should
buy 100% natural chicken. It's not hard to find...my Safeway carries
Foster Farms which is natural and not too pricey. I have heard
Walmart carries natural chicken too.

The most common way people start feeding raw is with chicken. Buy a
whole chicken, cut it into portions and hand some to your dog. Remove
the giblets for now and the neck. Eventually you will feed the
organs, but they are too rich starting out and could cause loose
stools. Throw the neck away; it is too small and could cause choking.

The initial portion size is determined by calculating 2-3% of your
dog's ideal body weight. This is just a starting point. If your dog
gets too fat, feed less, and if your need to add weight, feed more.
Feed the chicken for at least a week or two depending on how well
your dog does and then ask us where to go from there.

It's never too late in a dog's life to give them optimal nutrition.
Good luck and keep us posted!

-Renee W.

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5.1. Re: new to raw feeding
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:36 am ((PDT))

There are two rules of thumb that I use to minimize the possiblity of
choking. 1) Don't feed bare bones. The closest I come to bare bones
is a slab of beef ribs. 2) Feed *big* food, i.e. as big as the dog's
head. If the food is big enough, the dog will have to tear pieces off
in order to swalow. The extra effort needed to rip and tear usually
tires them out more and makes them eat more "politely." Even just an
irregular shaped food works if it isn't huge. My 3mo old puppy will
try to swallow a chicken quarter whole if he can, but he'll eat slowly
if he gets a whole cornish game hen. The two weigh about the same, but
the game hen is more engaging for him.

Vomiting bits of bone is not unusual for a new dog or a boney meal. It
means the stomach worked on the bone for a while and decided it could
do no more on it. Rather than passing the undigested bone through the
system, it comes back up. Not too pleasant for us, but it's best for
the dog.

Also, dogs don't chew like people do, they just tear off a piece that
is small enough to fit down their gullet and swalow. Sometimes they
are too energetic and they have to bring it back up for more chewing,
but that is perfectly normal too.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Genevieve" <gene182000@...> wrote:

> I guess, one of my main concerns is the choking hazard. It may
> sounds silly because how often does it happen... But when I saw
> Pana vomitting after a few hours a big piece of bone, it was
> frightening, and it was even more so after seeing her litteraly
> swallow a big piece of chicken together with the bone... It looked
> to me as if she could not cut the chicken before swallowing it,
> only maybe crush part of the bones and then swallow nearly the
> whole piece. If this supposed to be so?

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6a. How much heart is too much?
Posted by: "cresco299" gentry.jeffrey@yahoo.com cresco299
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:44 am ((PDT))

I've found an excellent supply of beef parts from a local slaughtering
house. Unfortunately they run a very "lean" operation and aren't
willing to part with anything but organs, heart and tongue.

Is it advisable to supplement a large portion of a raw diet with heart
and tongue muscle (Maybe 3-4 meals per week)? The rest of the meals
would be chicken and pork products with bone.

Thanks,

Jeff
Cresco, PA

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6b. Re: How much heart is too much?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:07 am ((PDT))

"cresco299" <gentry.jeffrey@...> wrote:
>> Is it advisable to supplement a large portion of a raw diet with
heart
> and tongue muscle (Maybe 3-4 meals per week)? The rest of the meals
> would be chicken and pork products with bone.
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Unless one is feeding whole prey (and I do mean whole) I don't think
it's advisable to rest on one's laurels. And even a menu of whole prey
that translates to whole chicken can benefit from some variety.

Heart and tongue can go a long way towards saving a limited access raw
diet. Feed them both to bowel tolerance (increasing gradually the
amount you can "safely" feed) and depend on them as you need to; but I
think you ought not consider your work done.

Keep your eyes open for protein variety.
Chris O

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6c. Re: How much heart is too much?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:10 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cresco299" <gentry.jeffrey@...>
wrote:
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> Is it advisable to supplement a large portion of a raw diet with
heart
> and tongue muscle (Maybe 3-4 meals per week)?

I add about 1/2lb of beef heart to each of my Great Danes' meal 2 or
3 times a week and a "glob" of other organs 1 or 2 times a week.

Your dog will let you know by digestive tolerance when you have over
done the hearts/organs. (He will get the runs.)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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7a. Feeding poultry - home grown vs store bought
Posted by: "Marion" mbldesigns@yahoo.com mbldesigns
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:44 am ((PDT))

Hi,

We decided this weekend that we needed to cut our poultry flock down
in size, too expensive to feed so many. Anyways, we butchered out 7
roosters and 2 drakes (male muscovy ducks). The dogs are having a
very hard time eating the pieces. We're leaving the pieces larger,
probably about a 1/4 bird for each, give or take a little. It seems
like the meat and bones are so much harder for the dogs teeth to get
through. We were feeding store bought leg quarters and most of the
dogs could almost instantly crush the bones. Now, it's taking about
1/2 an hour for each, even the great pyrenees pups outside who scarf
down everything. Connie is doing better and actually chewing the
larger pieces rather than swallowing, so that's good, but I have
found it helps if I hold onto one end of whatever piece he's working
on. He chews and chews and after about 3 minutes he gets through
that particular bite.

Has anyone else tried home grown poultry? Is it all tougher to eat?
Is this too much for the dogs? Is it ok? Should I be not feeding
some of the bones as they are too hard? These are free ranging yard
birds.

Thanks,
Marion

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7b. Re: Feeding poultry - home grown vs store bought
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:12 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Marion" <mbldesigns@...> wrote:
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> Has anyone else tried home grown poultry?

I haven't.

> Is it all tougher to eat?

I don't know.

> Is this too much for the dogs?

Definately not.

> Is it ok?

Definately yes.

> Should I be not feeding
> some of the bones as they are too hard?

You should be feeding them and the bones are not too hard. If they
leave some of the bone, its no big deal. If they take longer to
eat, again, no big deal.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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7c. Re: Feeding poultry - home grown vs store bought
Posted by: "Joanne Thompson" tho0123@earthlink.net black_diamond_kennels
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:14 am ((PDT))

Hi Marion,

It might depend on how old the birds are when they are culled. When I
cull older hens and roosters, I find that the bones are larger and more
dense because of their age. The birds you buy in the grocery store are
culled (typically) before 9 weeks of age (or so I've heard), therefore
the bones would be smaller and softer.

Joanne Thompson
Black Diamond Kennels
Working Giant Schnauzers
Bellvue, CO 80512

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8a. Re: Most valuable/least valuable meat?
Posted by: "Kristen" kristengilkinsonrmt@rogers.com kgilkinson
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:58 am ((PDT))

Thanks everyone for clearing this up for me. I can shop with a clear
conscious! lol

Chris: the etc, I was referring to the some other meats people have
mentioned that weren't as much of a concern to me or I couldn't
remember. A few I remember hearing include: rabbits bred for meat
consumption (I think it had something to do with what they were fed),
groundhogs (I don't know where this comes from =S), and I can't think
of any more at the moment...oh yeah, someone said mature duck wasn't
good, but young was.

Thanks again =D
Kristen

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9.1. Re: Getting Started
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:02 am ((PDT))

Tell them to try feeding chunks of meat as big as, or
bigger than her head. Then they don't have to worry
about the dog choking, and the dog can really start
digging into raw!
Try a whole chicken, or a huge chunk of pork, just
remind them to stick to one meat source for at least a
week to make sure the dog doesn't have any adverse
effects (like cannon butt!)

My dog stops eating when she's full, so I go by that,
but some dogs just keep eating.. so maybe they could
try picking up the food after 20 or so minutes (or
when they feel the dog has had enough).

Also, don't forget to tell them that the dog might
have runny poop during the beginning. I think it's
part their body trying to get rid of the kibble
grossness stuck in their insides, and part getting
used to digesting real food. But once the transition
is complete, they'll be SO happy they switched over!

Nathalie

> I'd like to be able to tell them how much their dog
> needs daily as an approximate so they can start and
> see how much better it is for their dog when they
> see the changes in her. Thanks.
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10.1. Re: Nature's Variety
Posted by: "pet.wellness" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:10 am ((PDT))

I tried Nature's Variety recently. I was in a pinch and it was
convenient. It looks like mystery meat. It has no smell. It's pricey.
And I am confident that it had been frozen, thawed, refrozen multiple
times before it got to my house.

As far as balanced nutrition, since the numerous pet food recalls in
the last few years, I simply do not trust a corporation to do this
when their only goal is profit. I

I'm pretty flexible about raw feeding. We do the best we can. In fact,
I asked this very same question to this group last week: "what about
Nature's Variety?"

My opinion after a one-week trial is that it is in the right direction
but only one step above kibble. I'd reserve it for the rare emergency
when I can get nothing better. Pamela

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cherie Ferebee
<oceanbaylabradors@...> wrote:
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> I forgot to mention that I found a company at my local pet supply
place that makes raw dog food. It has ground bones in it. It is
Nature's Variety. Any opinions? I bought a chub of it to try with my

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11a. Re: Little odgs
Posted by: "geraldinebutterfield" gbutterflied@comcast.net geraldinebutterfield
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:13 am ((PDT))

Hi Carol,
Wow, 1 bad tooth in 9 years is darn good! I just bought some rabbit
and Brandy LOVES it.

geraldine

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tottime47" <tottime@...> wrote:
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> Hi Geraldine,
>
> Yes, I do offer him chicken thighs/bone in too.
>
>
>
> Just took him in for his first tooth cleaning (never had a big
> problem with plack)and found a bad tooth...only 1 & he's 9 yrs..
>
> >
> Carol, Charkee & Maggie
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12a. Re: Poo wrapped in mucous
Posted by: "geraldinebutterfield" gbutterflied@comcast.net geraldinebutterfield
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 8:37 am ((PDT))

Hi Yassy,
Good question about the egg difference. I have no idea but dogs have
a way of telling when things are different... Brandy doesn't like
raw egg, we're working on it.

She also gets soooo excited when I bring out the towel or table
cloth! Sits on it too in her very best form and sweetest look on her
face.

geraldine

>
> I know that egg shell colors are just the difference between the
breeed of chicken but dogs react differently to such breed
difference egg or cage free egg or not cage free egg even though the
brand are same?
>
> I was curious.
>
> She is fed raw 10th week now and she loves it and she run around
me circle like she herd me(corgi;herding breed) when I try placing
the shower curtain on kitchen floor and as it touches the floor,she
jump on and sit. She knows that sitting bring the meal sooner.
>
> Really the people on this list are real helpful and, I
appreciate all.
>
> Thanks everyone
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13. Re: How much heart is too much? Training treats
Posted by: "Suzie G" gusmyhairyboy@charter.net gusmyhairyboy
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:30 am ((PDT))

Hi, Suzie G. here

If the heart you give in the diet is mainly being used as training treats (I suddenly realized this may be O.T. for this list) how much would you guess a young pup could have in one day?(if you consider it a part of the daily food amount-I've never trained with treats before)

Thanks,Suzie G.

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14. Re: Not going bathroom//What does liver look like? *Training treats?
Posted by: "Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com" Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com irishcateyes1
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:31 am ((PDT))

oh! I was wondering what to give our puppy as a training treat! I just
bought a package of gizzards and hearts (only two hearts in the whole thing--but
oh well) My husband tried to tell me Milkbones--yuck! I said WHY? We feed
RAW but are going to backpedal and poison his system with that? I don't think
so. But then I didn't have any other suggestions yet. I was just going to
post this question. :)

What are other things as training treats? How thin do I slice them? Etc?
Can I use these as a reward also for housbreaking? :)

Thanks!

Tamatha :)


In a message dated 7/15/2007 7:35:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lyse_garant@yahoo.com writes:

gizzards, def muscle if you ask me, I just bought a whole package of them and
I'm going to slice them and use them to train!
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15. Drinking a Ton of Water
Posted by: "Eve" loulou_bean@yahoo.com loulou_bean
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:32 am ((PDT))

Hi,

My peke started on all raw this past week. He's been eating chicken to start, and he drinks almost his entire bowl of water, much more than he ever drank on any other diet. I bought the chicken at our local supermarket.

Can someone help make sense of this?

Thanks,
Eve

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