[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11809

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Newby raw feeding question
From: nickandnoel@aol.com
1b. Re: Newby raw feeding question
From: Sandee Lee
1c. Re: Newby raw feeding question
From: ginny wilken
1d. Re: Newby raw feeding question
From: costrowski75

2a. Re: stinky gaaaas
From: nickandnoel@aol.com
2b. Re: stinky gaaaas
From: Sandee Lee
2c. Re: stinky gaaaas
From: WAGC
2d. sweetbreads (was Re: stinky gaaaas
From: Laurie Swanson

3a. Re: supplement w/digestive enzymes?
From: Giselle
3b. Re: supplement w/digestive enzymes?
From: ginny wilken
3c. Re: supplement w/digestive enzymes?
From: nwohiopma

4a. Re: handling raw meat
From: nickandnoel@aol.com
4b. Re: handling raw meat
From: Laurie Swanson

5.1. File - Other related lists
From: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com

6a. File - Admin-Trim it, Sign it, and Sig lines-PLEASE READ!!!
From: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com

7a. Basted turkey, good or bad?
From: dianna_obrien
7b. Re: Basted turkey, good or bad?
From: costrowski75
7c. Re: Basted turkey, good or bad?
From: Laurie Swanson

8. Okay guys! 1st raw feeding w/ new puppy :) :) :) LOVE it! *Ques
From: Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com

9a. Getting Started--at a loss
From: mysophie913
9b. Re: Getting Started--at a loss
From: rosey031801

10a. Re: Meats?
From: Laurie Swanson

11. Re: lactating bitch refusing raw
From: Kathy

12a. anal glands
From: shella

13.1. won't eat (was Re: Nature's Variety
From: Laurie Swanson

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1a. Re: Newby raw feeding question
Posted by: "nickandnoel@aol.com" nickandnoel@aol.com lils_danes
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:01 pm ((PDT))

When I have a nursing bitch....I feed triple raw and leave kibble out all
the time. This is not a time to reduce food, that can be done later. If you
feed her two to three times a day on raw then leave out food at night then she
may not eat the food, but knowing its there will give her some satisfaction.



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1b. Re: Newby raw feeding question
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:09 pm ((PDT))

I don't understand why you have kibble in your house if you are a raw
feeder? Why offer something so totally inappropriate at a time when proper
nourishment is crucial?

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: <nickandnoel@aol.com>

> When I have a nursing bitch....I feed triple raw and leave kibble out all
> the time. This is not a time to reduce food, that can be done later. If
you
> feed her two to three times a day on raw then leave out food at night
then she
> may not eat the food, but knowing its there will give her some
satisfaction.

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1c. Re: Newby raw feeding question
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:02 pm ((PDT))

On Jul 15, 2007, at 11:57 AM, nickandnoel@aol.com wrote:

> When I have a nursing bitch....I feed triple raw and leave kibble
> out all
> the time. This is not a time to reduce food, that can be done
> later. If you
> feed her two to three times a day on raw then leave out food at
> night then she
> may not eat the food, but knowing its there will give her some
> satisfaction.

Tell me why offering crummy food makes sense for a mom. And you
probably shouldn't be free feeding anyway; it's not natural with a
raw diet, and we KNOW it's not natural with kibble.

Ever so many raw litters have been raised by healthy, well-fed
bitches without introducing junk food.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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1d. Re: Newby raw feeding question
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:06 pm ((PDT))

nickandnoel@... wrote:
>
> When I have a nursing bitch....I feed triple raw and leave kibble
out all
> the time. This is not a time to reduce food,
*****
You can feed triple raw and leave kibble out--as in not feed it--to the
immediate benefit of both mom and babies. Feeding high quality easily
digestible food in any amount is healthier than free feeding kibble.

But I suspect you know that.
Chris O

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2a. Re: stinky gaaaas
Posted by: "nickandnoel@aol.com" nickandnoel@aol.com lils_danes
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:01 pm ((PDT))

would the sweetbreads be causing the gas? Maybe that I don't
understand..doesn't sweetbreads have nothing but grain, sugar and yeast in it. In humans
yeast can reactly badly with GI tract and cause severe gas. it is possible
the gas is caused by the sweetbreads..get rid of them and see if it changes
(give it at least two weeks)..then if that doesn't work..try something else.

Belching, burping is something mine due immediately after eating but I don't
notice it during the day, just at night when they are eating.

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2b. Re: stinky gaaaas
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:20 pm ((PDT))

Sweetbreads are the thymus and pancreas glands of animals.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: <nickandnoel@aol.com>

> would the sweetbreads be causing the gas? Maybe that I don't
> understand..doesn't sweetbreads have nothing but grain, sugar and yeast in
it. In humans
> yeast can reactly badly with GI tract and cause severe gas. it is
possible
> the gas is caused by the sweetbreads..get rid of them and see if it
changes
> (give it at least two weeks)..then if that doesn't work..try something
else.

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2c. Re: stinky gaaaas
Posted by: "WAGC" wagc@sasktel.net frustrated_tracey
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:39 pm ((PDT))

One of my Standard Poodle pups is just awful with stinky gas, I put him on raw just after I got him at 8 weeks of age but he was stinky with kibble also, I dont know why he is so stinky.....The good thing is my brother in law is also stinky and he has a blast grossing us all out, this is my revenge.

Tracey

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From: monell2000
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 1:53 PM
Subject: [rawfeeding] stinky gaaaas

My standard poodles have very stinky gas.Does anyone else have this
problem on the raw?? It doesn't seem to matter which meat they eat. I
have a different smell than on K****e, but still stinky.
Last night my female burped, and it had the same smell as thier gas.
Is this normal??

Monell

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2d. sweetbreads (was Re: stinky gaaaas
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:53 pm ((PDT))

I shared this before, but it seems appropriate here...My husband and I
thought the same thing! We ordered some a few yrs. ago at a fancy
schmancy restaurant. Needless to say, we were a bit surprised. I
think the waiter knew we were clueless, too, and when we casually
asked, "Now, what exactly is this?" and he told us, I know he was
laughing inside.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, nickandnoel@... wrote:

doesn't sweetbreads have nothing but grain, sugar and yeast in it.

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3a. Re: supplement w/digestive enzymes?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:18 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Monica!
Need more details, please!
What breed of dog is he?
How much does he weigh?
What is his overall appearance like = Too thin/too fat, glossy
coat/dull coat, etc.?
What exactly do you feed him?
When?
How much at a meal?
What other items might he eat; food, treats, stuff he buries or finds
in the yard or walks, or other?
Who else feeds him, besides you?
What changes may have happened just before or at the onset of the
vomiting/loose stools?
Environmental = inside / outside?
Lifestyle?
Does he drink from puddles of water, ponds, lakes?
Swim in them?

Was testing done for parasites such as Giardia, more than once?

Slippery Elm Bark Powder should help soothe his digestive system until
you can pinpoint the problem;
http://fiascofarm.com/herbs/supplements.htm
You can also get it at a health food store. I'd mix 4 tsp to a 1/2 cup
of ground/minced chicken. Make into 4 meatballs. Feed one prior to
each meal.
Or, if he is having a 'bad' day; vomiting/loose stools, etc., you can
fast him for a day. Offer plenty of water. Feed one SEBP ball about
four times a day during the fast day, and in between meals the next
day or so afterward.

I wouldn't change a whole lot of things, especially diet, willy -
nilly, until I made a complete list of everything that could be the
cause, exactly what he is eating & drinking daily, and changes that
had been made at the time of the presentation of the initial problem.
Problems, and their resolutions, are easier to figure out if you keep
the changes controlled so you can see what effect they have. Or not.

Let us know all the details, we can help you, I'm sure!
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> My dog is 4yrs old and has been raw fed since he was 6 mos old.
>
> Last April he was violently ill - throwing up, loose stools, couldn't
> even keep water down. <snip>
> Here's the thing. He still vomits dinner several nights a week. Some
> days he is right as rain, others he seems ill (listless, whiny,
> upset tummy). The vet can't find anything wrong with him but I am
> terrified that he is really sick.
<snip>
> Do you have any ideas what could be wrong with him? Its really scary
> when the vet even throws up her hands in confusion.
>
> thanks
> Monica and Loki
>

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3b. Re: supplement w/digestive enzymes?
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 3:57 pm ((PDT))

On Jul 15, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Monica wrote:

> Here's the thing. He still vomits dinner several nights a week. Some
> days he is right as rain, others he seems ill (listless, whiney,
> upset tummy). The vet can't find anything wrong with him but I am
> terrified that he is really sick.
>
> She suggested either switching to Evo for a while (she does support
> the rawfeeding but is wondering if since his illness he needs easy to
> digest food - meat without bone gives him the runs) and/or to add
> digestive enzymes to see if that helps. What do you all think?
>
> Do you have any ideas what could be wrong with him? Its really scary
> when the vet even throws up her hands in confusion.

If the vet doesn't know what's wrong, she has no basis for making
such a diet recommendation, which, of course, is total crap.

Here's what I'm thinking: Has he had distemper vaccinations? Many
dogs develop lifelong digestive impairment from the vaccine, mine
among them. You can consider taking him to an excellent classical
homeopath who can unravel the vaccinosis, but also, you can continue
with raw, and modify it as you need to, finding out what he likes,
what's good for him, and what he is more likely to keep down. My dog
will hork up a big tripe meal, or too many chicken feet - I think
they poke his insides - or a large meal of anything - but not every
time. So it's not exclusively ground or big pieces, but mostly the
amount, and the time taken eating it - longer is better.

You could try digestive enzymes, but I doubt they will make a
difference. And meat without bones gives a LOT of dogs the runs, or
close enough to it. Again, the effects of the vaccine seem sometimes
to be "quick" digestion, things passing through too fast, and that
certainly defines the meat poop syndrome. Since darn near every dog
has been insulted by distemper, it makes sense that this is a common
issue.

Does he eat up what he's horked? Do you give him a chance to? Would
he do better with smaller, more frequent meals? Are there any other
stressors around mealtime - like kids, hovering, other animals, a
rush to go out?

Tell us more...

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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3c. Re: supplement w/digestive enzymes?
Posted by: "nwohiopma" nwohiopma@yahoo.com nwohiopma
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 4:29 pm ((PDT))

Hi Monica,

Did the blood work include tests looking for pancreatitis? Sounds like
it could be chronic pancreatitis, but I think you should check with
your vet to see if the pancreas stuff was checked with blood work.

Candace and the 4 Collies

Went to the vet, did the xrays, blood work etc.
> couldn't find anything wrong. They rehydrated him, gave him some meds
> to stop the vomitting and after a few days he was much better.
>
> Here's the thing. He still vomits dinner several nights a week. Some
> days he is right as rain, others he seems ill (listless, whiney,
> upset tummy). The vet can't find anything wrong with him but I am
> terrified that he is really sick.

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4a. Re: handling raw meat
Posted by: "nickandnoel@aol.com" nickandnoel@aol.com lils_danes
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:27 pm ((PDT))

I have to agree with Bill, we feed all our dogs in the house. I'm actually
more worried about what my dogs will pick up from eating outside than what
our family will pick up from feeding them in the house. Confine them to an
area if you must, but feeding them inside IMO is safer for them. FYI Lepto is
picked up from urine on the ground from an infected animal...if animals
running wild are going in the kennel to get the food then most likely those wild
animals are peeing too. That's only one example of how your pet could get
sick.


Confine to an area in the house, ie bathroom, backporch, laundry room (all
places I haven't eaten food in) or basement...if its a small enough dog feed it
in the bathtub, you can clean it with bleach or another antibacterial after
they finish.

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4b. Re: handling raw meat
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:53 pm ((PDT))

Hi Jenn,

You can't confine him to an area in another room or the kitchen on a
towel, tarp, shower curtain, blanket? Or in one of those fold-out
exercise pens? Or in a crate/kennel? If not, then I would train him
to use something like a shower curtain outside. Put it where you want
him to eat, set his food on it, sit a few feet away, let him eat. If
he takes the food off the mat, put it back on. He will learn what you
want, and that he can eat in peace when he keeps his food there. Does
that sound like it would work?

Laurie

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> Hi all.
> Just wondering if anyone has any advice on how to contain the mess.

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5.1. File - Other related lists
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Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:49 pm ((PDT))

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7a. Basted turkey, good or bad?
Posted by: "dianna_obrien" dianna_obrien@yahoo.com dianna_obrien
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:39 pm ((PDT))

Hello everyone. I started feeding my cocker spaniel and my terrior raw
in April and all has been well. I've used the postings from this list
to guide me.

I was considering feeding a whole turkey but noticed it said it was
basted with some percentage of some chemical and water. I think I read
that this will make my dogs sick.

Any experience with this?

Dianna O'Brien
& Larry and Chuckie

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7b. Re: Basted turkey, good or bad?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:25 pm ((PDT))

"dianna_obrien" <dianna_obrien@...> wrote:
>> I was considering feeding a whole turkey but noticed it said it was
> basted with some percentage of some chemical and water. I think I
read
> that this will make my dogs sick.
*****
It may or it may not.
Life is often fickle.

I recommend you try a hunk of the bird before offering the whole
thang. If the single meal digests well without side effects, you
probably can feed enhanced bird. Some dogs respond poorly, others do
not. Some can eat enhanced in small amounts but not in big doses.
Chris O

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7c. Re: Basted turkey, good or bad?
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:54 pm ((PDT))

If you already have it or really want to buy it cuz it's so cheap, go
ahead and try it if you want. But I would try to find natural meats
whenever possible. Extra salt and other chemicals are not ideal.

Laurie

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I was considering feeding a whole turkey but noticed it said it was
> basted with some percentage of some chemical and water.

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8. Okay guys! 1st raw feeding w/ new puppy :) :) :) LOVE it! *Ques
Posted by: "Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com" Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com irishcateyes1
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 5:41 pm ((PDT))

Really awesome! Oh my! I had a problem getting my last dog to eat it years
ago, but he was ridden with cancer and we didn't know it, so even with that I
was still worried we would be coaxing the new puppy to eat. BUT NO!!! LOL!

He almost attacked it! Sambuca is 8 weeks old and we just got him yesterday
evening. This morning was his first REAL meal.

Here are the pics:

My questions are:

1. Since Sambuca weighs 17 lbs--I am supposed to give him 1.7 lbs of RAW,
right? Now, is this for the whole day's combined feeding amount spread out over
3-4 feedings or 1.7 lbs at each feeding? I think it is 1.7 lbs for the whole
day total.

He has been so content all day long that he hasn't seemed hungry again until
now--plus he took his first poop today FINALLY :) at about 6:00 and then 15
minutes later took his second so now I know he is ready for more--lol! He
napped almost all day too. Played some.

2. Just curious how much to give this next time.

This morning I gave him a chicken quarter--meaty too--pulled excess skin and
fat off--left some but this piece had alot so that is why I pulled off
excess---he did great with it.

But I guess one chicken quarter seems to weigh a little over a pound.

3. Was that too much for one feeding? He left some of the leg bone and was
done with it. He walked away from it.

4. So how much do I give him now? Whole chicken quarter again or just half?
If so, what half?

Sorry for all the questions but I don't want to give him too much his first
day. He has done so well so far and I just pray that it is this easy at every
feeding. :)

5. He was also laying all over the "feeding" towel so I felt I had to wipe
him down with water beofere I let him back inside--i mean he had chicken pieces
in his fur--LOL! Is there a better way to do this?

6. And once, the third time, I put the chicken back on the towel, he
growled. So i said No abruptly and put it on the towel and then when he was eating,
I said he was a good boy. Was that handled appropriately? I know he is young
but still I don't want him growling at me or my 5 year old. We gave him
plenty of room to eat except when he took the chicken off the towel. Then we
stepped in and put it back and then stepped out. He didn't growl anymore after
that. Plan to move him indoors later and on rainy days so I want it in one spot
for easier clean up.

7. Also, the bag of chicken quarters had the date of 07/16 on it. All are
in fridge right now but noticed when I opened the bag it stunk up the whole
kitchen. I am assuming it was all the blood in the bag that stunk and the fact
that it was sealed and I broke the seal. Feed it to him b/c I have been
reading how strong their stomachs are. It was okay right? Also, what about when
the 17th comes around how long can it stay in the fridge before it goes too bad
for the dog? Should I freeze?

Thanks again for your patience in answering my questions that I have
bombarded you with. :)

Tamatha
NC



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9a. Getting Started--at a loss
Posted by: "mysophie913" mysophie913@yahoo.com mysophie913
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:34 pm ((PDT))

Greetings! It has been suggested to me that I strongly consider
switching my 10 year old Sheltie to a raw food diet. She has been
recently diagnosed with CHF and needs a no salt diet. And then there is
the problem of really bad arthritis. I have had to resort to pain meds
on and off---which I hate to do. She has been on Cosequin for years,
with no positive results. I am very open to a new diet for her----but I
guess I would feel more comfortable with a commercial raw food, at the
beginning. Any suggestions? And are they low sodium????Thank you for
the help..

Sophie

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9b. Re: Getting Started--at a loss
Posted by: "rosey031801" rosey031801@sbcglobal.net rosey031801
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:10 pm ((PDT))

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Sophie,
I switched my ten year old border collie mix a year ago. It is
undoubtedly the best thing I have ever done for my little friend.
His main problems were arthritis from and old injury, low body
weight, and dirty teeth. The teeth were clean in three weeks, no
more $200 dentals. His pain level was better right away and I
rarely have to give him his meds and "as needed" not daily. He
gained three lbs in 3 months, which for him is amazing. I have seen
evidence that the pain comes back if he gets bonelss meats for more
than three days in a row, so the bone and cartlidge is helping ALOT!
Please give this a try. It is so easy to just hand him the chunk o
chicken as I call it, and let him do the rest. No mixing, no
cutting, just hand it to him. For his size he eats a chicken leg
quarter a day most of the time and for the variety he gets all the
other stuff too, but chicken is his daily routine. He does well and
he deserves it.
Cheryl

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mysophie913" <mysophie913@...>
wrote:
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> Greetings! It has been suggested to me that I strongly consider
> switching my 10 year old Sheltie to a raw food diet. She has been
> recently diagnosed with CHF and needs a no salt diet. And then
there is
> the problem of really bad arthritis. I have had to resort to pain
meds
> on and off---which I hate to do. She has been on Cosequin for
years,
> with no positive results. I am very open to a new diet for her----
but I
> guess I would feel more comfortable with a commercial raw food, at
the
> beginning. Any suggestions? And are they low sodium????Thank you
for
> the help..
>
> Sophie
>

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10a. Re: Meats?
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:08 pm ((PDT))

Hi Cherie,

Your dogs can eat any meats--chicken, turkey, rabbit, pork, beef,
goat, lamb, deer/venison, elk, fish...anything you can get. Also
eggs. There is a great list compiled by another member--try
searching the archives under cheap meat sources or something like
that. Here's some ideas: Watch sales flyers, tell your friends and
family you'll take any freezer-burned meat off their hands, post on
freecycle or craigs list or other boards that you want any hunter
leftovers or freezer clean-outs to "make" food for your dog, ask any
farmers/ranchers for culls, ask butchers for leftovers, organs, etc.
Join a local buying co-op (where do you live?), check out the
carnivore feed supplier Yahoo group.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cherie Ferebee
<oceanbaylabradors@...> wrote:
>
> What kinds of meats are okay for dogs to eat? My problem is that I
am on a tight budget at this time.

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11. Re: lactating bitch refusing raw
Posted by: "Kathy" xanadu8@insightbb.com aresblue2000
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:11 pm ((PDT))

I am having a problem with my Portuguese Water Dog bitch refusing to eat raw. She started getting picky during her pregnancy. She delivered 2 puppies, one of which lived. She then continued to act like the raw food was nauseating to her. She is 5 yrs old and has been on raw since she was 10 months old. She has had picky episodes in the past but not when she was lactating. Anyway the ONLY thing she would eat was beef liver but it had to be lightly seared. The puppy started losing weight so my vet suggested trying a prescription canned food that was high in calories and could be spoon fed if necessary. Well, the spoiled brat now will only eat this food IF I spoon feed her while she is in the whelping box.. I know, she needs tough love but I can't do it until the puppy is weaned. I have started to hide pieces of meat in the canned food to get her to switch over. My question is ....Should I sear or lightly cook the meat or is raw okay to mix in if she will eat it? Funny thing is our 1 yr old from the last litter is also on the "raw is icky" band wagon, and she has been fed raw from the beginning. She had to be on antibiotics and have food in her stomach so I started lightly searing her food to get her to eat it too. I have a big mess on my hands with these two girls. They are 45-50 lb dogs. So....temporarily, can canned food be mixed with raw? I've heard not to mix raw with kibble.
I can't wait to get them back to eating properly on their raw diet!
Thanks,
Kathy L

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12a. anal glands
Posted by: "shella" shellabella76@sbcglobal.net shellaroo76
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:51 pm ((PDT))

My min schnauzer has always been sensitive to "bottom" issues, but
lately she licks like crazy. After a while, I can definetly smell why
she is licking. Any suggestions? Currently she is eating chicken
wings every two days and medallions of chicken, veggies and some
turkey the other days.

Shella

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13.1. won't eat (was Re: Nature's Variety
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:52 pm ((PDT))

Cherie,

What have you tried to feed and what has happened/how has your dog
reacted? More details will help us sort it out. One thing I noticed
in your post is that it sounded like maybe another dog got to the
food before the shih tzu could. She may need more space/time--how
are you feeding them? All together?

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cherie Ferebee
<oceanbaylabradors@...> wrote:

I just wanted to try to see if she would eat it because she doesn't
eat anything. She doesn't like dog food, dog treats, etc. She likes
cheese and all natural turkey dogs (as treats when training). She
wants cat food, but is not allow to have it. She sniffed the raw
Lamb, but my sister's daschund (spelling?) kept sniffing it, and then
our fox hound ate it. She loved it! Any ideas on getting my shih
tzu to eat raw?

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