[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11829

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Digestibility of Pork
From: Trish Chapman
1b. Re: Digestibility of Pork
From: cypressbunny
1c. Re: Digestibility of Pork
From: Nathalie Poulin

2a. Re: 1st meal for 7 week old puppy
From: Suzie G

3a. Question about rec/wreck bones
From: kaebruney
3b. Re: Question about rec/wreck bones
From: costrowski75
3c. Re: Question about rec/wreck bones
From: Laurie Swanson

4a. dog sheading
From: maradethc
4b. Re: dog sheading
From: costrowski75

5a. Re: why is my dog not eating???
From: Nathalie Poulin

6a. Re: Prednisone and raw feeding
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

7a. Fish Safety
From: millser25
7b. Re: Fish Safety
From: costrowski75
7c. Re: Fish Safety
From: millser25
7d. Re: Fish Safety
From: costrowski75

8. Re: Question: 8 week old puppy (Sambuca) need advice on next...
From: Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com

9a. Re: Slipper Elm Bark
From: Giselle

10.1. New Member
From: Ann Flynn

11a. Question...could be OT
From: Karen Swanay
11b. Re: Question...could be OT
From: carnesbill
11c. Re: Question...could be OT
From: costrowski75

12. An unexpected benefit!
From: kjdaughtridge

13a. Re: Question: 8 week old puppy (Sambuca) need advice on next step
From: Giselle

14a. Re: pork and chicken
From: costrowski75
14b. Re: pork and chicken
From: Giselle

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1a. Re: Digestibility of Pork
Posted by: "Trish Chapman" twotheark@verizon.net twotheark
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:57 am ((PDT))

Thanks, Chris. You have gone above and beyond! I knew what she was saying
didn't sound right, but I'm "insecure" enough about feeding the dogs that a
statement like that get me wondering. I will ask her about which list she
is talking about, though, because I am kinda curious how pork got a such bad
rap on that list.

Trish

----- Original Message -----
From: "costrowski75" <Chriso75@AOL.COM>

> Here is what I know:
> 1. Fatty foods (meat or otherwise) are generally more difficult to
> digest than non-fatty foods.
>
> 2. Dogs with hepatic encephalopathy (a liver disease) may require a
> diet that restricts ammonia production. Red meat (any red meat not
> not pork) would be restricted when treating a dog with the disease in
> order to reduce heme (iron) and nitrogen compounds.
>
> So. A healthy raw fed dog should be able to digest fat, regardless
> of what protein it comes attached to. And a healthy raw fed dog
> should be able to process both heme and nitrogenous waste without
> harming either liver or kidneys.
>
> The extent to which a dog is not healthy (and how--specifically--the
> dog is not healthy) determines how much fat and ammongenic red meat
> may be fed. There is no indication at all that pork protein is any
> worse or better than other red meats. And there is no indication
> that any red meat should be restricted if HE is not present.
>
> Given that our dogs--and the wolves they rode in on--are constructed
> to dine on and thrive on ungulates (ruminants or otherwise), it would
> seem that such meals would not be harmful to a healthy dog, and would
> be beneficial in some fashion to all but a few specifically unhealthy
> dogs.
>
> I suspect pork was singled out of the entire red meat spectrum
> because pork has historically been a major fall guy. Given
> that "holistic" can mean whatever the practitioner wants it to mean,
> only her holistic vet can explain her holistic opinions.
>
> You might want to google "hepatic encephalopathy dogs" or "ammongenic
> foods" for more information.
> Chris O

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1b. Re: Digestibility of Pork
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:02 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Trish Chapman" <twotheark@...>
wrote:
>
> I did ask and she said something like one source of her
information was from
> a raw feeding list of 4000 and another was her holistic
vet ......so,
> somewhat vague in the justification department.

*** Well MY raw feeding list of 9200 says pork is just as digestible
as any other meat! Pork, especially pastured pork, is a healthy meat
with healthy fats. Some dogs (and people) that have been eating
lowfat diets or bad fats will have gall bladders that are just not
up to the job of producing the bile necessary to digest long-chain
fatty acids, such as those in pork. That doesn't mean pork is bad,
that means the body has been screwed up by bad diet.

*** Another thing that affects the digestibility of meat is the age
of the animal at slaughter. A young piglet will be much easier to
digest than an aged stewing hen. Likewise, a young chicken fryer
will be easier to digest than an elderly porker. This is because
connective tissue builds and toughens as animals age.

--Carrie

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1c. Re: Digestibility of Pork
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:35 pm ((PDT))

Well that's sort of funny, seeing as though i feed my
dog lots of pork and she loves it. In fact, after I
introduced pork she decided she would have nothing to
do with chicken anymore... and her stools are pretty
normal and her coat is lovely and her teeth sparkle..
I'm sure there are lots of people on this list who
will vouch for pork too.
If is works for your dog, great! If you find your dog
having problems after eating pork, well then maybe
pork isn't so good for your dog.
Trust your own (and dogs!) instincts.

Nathalie

--- Trish Chapman <twotheark@verizon.net> wrote:

> I did ask and she said something like one source of
> her information was from
> a raw feeding list of 4000 and another was her
> holistic vet ......so,
> somewhat vague in the justification department.
>
> Trish
>
>
> >> Someone on another list that I am on has said
> that pork is one of the
> > least
> >> digestible meats that are readily available for
> us to feed our dogs.
> > *****

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2a. Re: 1st meal for 7 week old puppy
Posted by: "Suzie G" gusmyhairyboy@charter.net gusmyhairyboy
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:30 am ((PDT))

Hi ,Suzie G. here

Thanks Chris ! This is like waiting to give birth!!!

Suzie G.

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3a. Question about rec/wreck bones
Posted by: "kaebruney" kaebruney@yahoo.com kaebruney
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:30 am ((PDT))

In a recent post I mentioned giving rec bones to my dog and was
suprised to hear several people respond that they don't offer them.

It had me wondering if maybe my definition of 'rec' bones are skewed.

I consider rec bones to be the large bones left after the meat has
been stripped by the dog. Like beef ribs for example.. some have
little muscle meat left, but the work of stripping the bone and
getting to the marrow keps my dogs busy and happy for hours!

Should I not be offering it to the?

For those of you that feed large animals (i.e - deer legs, emu, etc)
do your dogs not gnaw on te big legs bones afterwards?

Apparently I need clarification on what "rec" bons truly are.

Thanks!

~Kae

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3b. Re: Question about rec/wreck bones
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:54 am ((PDT))

"kaebruney" <kaebruney@...> wrote:
>> For those of you that feed large animals (i.e - deer legs, emu, etc)
> do your dogs not gnaw on te big legs bones afterwards?
>
> Apparently I need clarification on what "rec" bons truly are.
*****
Feeding large animals or parts of large animals is my goal but
providing dense weight bearing bones is not. If the bone can be
consumed either entirely or to some degree, fine. If the bone has a
total "in your face" or "you and who else?" attitude, I prefer not to
let my dogs linger on it.

"Rec bones" generally are defined as skimpy on meat and inedible. I do
not dole out bare bones for amusement, and any bone (leg or otherwise)
that is de-constructed during the meal proper gets removed when it
becomes bare.

For my money, grappling with the skin and tendons and sinew and
cartilage and meat is rec enough.
Chris O

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3c. Re: Question about rec/wreck bones
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi Kae,

It depends on your dog's size and eating style what bones are edible
and safe. But naked leg bones from big animals don't seem to be good
for any size dog. Before I knew better, I used to give my 20 lb.
Boston pretty naked beef and buffalo knuckle/marrow/rib bones and he
has 2 chipped teeth. Now, I will occasionally give beef ribs for the
workout of stripping the meat off, but the bones are too hard, so I
remove them when he's cleaned them off. Some others' dogs seem to be
able to eat these or nibble on the ends. I haven't fed deer or emu
legs, but I think I remember others talking about removing the deer
legs after they're stripped. You might want to search the archives
on that.

I think in general, if they're gnawing on a bare bone for awhile,
they are probably wearing down their teeth, and if they're trying and
trying to crunch it, they could chip or break a tooth. If they're
working awhile on getting the meat off because it's a complicated
body part, that's great, then remove the bare bone if it's not very
edible.

Hope that helps.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kaebruney" <kaebruney@...> wrote:


> For those of you that feed large animals (i.e - deer legs, emu, etc)
> do your dogs not gnaw on te big legs bones afterwards?
>
> Apparently I need clarification on what "rec" bons truly are.
>

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4a. dog sheading
Posted by: "maradethc" maradethc@yahoo.com maradethc
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:02 pm ((PDT))

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Hi I am very new to raw diet. Almost a week. Is it ok that one of my
dog and i have 3 is sheading...He is a lab shar pei mix and its falling
out a ton is that normal... Thanks

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4b. Re: dog sheading
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:00 pm ((PDT))

"maradethc" <maradethc@...> wrote:
> Hi I am very new to raw diet. Almost a week. Is it ok that one of my
> dog and i have 3 is sheading...He is a lab shar pei mix and its
falling
> out a ton is that normal
*****
I doubt very much less than a week on raw food will produce such
immediate shedding. What else is going on in the dog's life?
Chris O

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5a. Re: why is my dog not eating???
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:26 pm ((PDT))

When we got back from going out this morning, I found
the wrapper from half a baguette on the floor and
crumbs all over the floor...
My GSD/husky was full of bread and wouldn't eat her
meal.
Now I know for next time not to leave the baguette on
the counter!

Her body might just be too full from all the kibble.
Give her another day or so to get it all out. Give her
lots of water. Then try again with the raw.

Nathalie

--- celebrationcookies <celebrationcookies@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> My GSD has been successfully eating raw for a month
> now. BUT, 2 days
> ago she quit eating. She got into some kibble and
> ate THAT!!! She has
> not had that in weeks! I don't understand. Help!!
> Thanks Carolyn
>
>

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6a. Re: Prednisone and raw feeding
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:13 pm ((PDT))

what kind of diet is your dog on now? How much does the vet want to put your dog on, and for how long? Is this a short term fix, or an only fix? Prednisone, for IBD usually only treats the syptoms, not the problem, and the prey model raw diet, would certainly help with the ibd, maybe even make it go away, you'd have to give it a try, and I would hope your dog could handle the symptoms, depending on how bad, what they were, without having to do the steroids, until you could give the diet a good shot.
Sometimes, the prednisone is good for a short term, help, if that is what the vet wants, to get over the hump, then do that, ween on, do the diet change too, then ween off the prednisone, and stay on the new raw diet, and hope that did the trick. Usually, the short term length for that kind of thing is no longer than two weeks, what did your vet say?
I would start the raw diet today, and hold on the steroids if the dog can wait, if not, do both, the diet and the steroids, but in small, real small doses, and see how they work together, and they can work well if managed closely. Your dogs appetite will increase alot on the steroid, and it will be really thirsty too.
Good luck, and give us more info.
Jeni

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7a. Fish Safety
Posted by: "millser25" millser25@yahoo.com millser25
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:14 pm ((PDT))

I know Salmon has a bit of a risk of Salmon poisoning, and I've heard
that trout can also cause "salmon poisoning". What kind of fish do
your dogs and cats like?
Thanks,Erica

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7b. Re: Fish Safety
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:35 pm ((PDT))

"millser25" <millser25@...> wrote:
>
> I know Salmon has a bit of a risk of Salmon poisoning, and I've
heard
> that trout can also cause "salmon poisoning".
*****
"Salmon poisoning" can affect wild caught salmon, trout and steelhead
from the Pacific Northwest, from southern Alaska down the west coast
to about mid-California and east to the Cascades. It is caused by a
micro-organism on a parasite and freezing will kill both the parasite
and the micro-organism. If you don't feel safe with freezing, simply
do not feed wild caught salmonids from the Pacific Northwest.

Atlantic salmon and farmed salmon from anywhere (US, Canada, Norway,
Chile) are not affected by this parasite/micro-organism team and can
be fed without further freezing.

What kind of fish do
> your dogs and cats like?
*****
Salmon and sardines primarily. Also whiting, pollack and cod filets,
which happen only rarely.
Chris O

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7c. Re: Fish Safety
Posted by: "millser25" millser25@yahoo.com millser25
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:59 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...
> It is caused by a
> micro-organism on a parasite and freezing will kill both the parasite
> and the micro-organism.

How long, and to what temperature does the fish need to be frozen at?

Thanks!
Erica

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7d. Re: Fish Safety
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:04 pm ((PDT))

"millser25" <millser25@...> wrote:
>> How long, and to what temperature does the fish need to be frozen at?
*****
Two weeks after it's frozen at the coldest setting ya got. The less
efficient your freezer, the longer the freeze.

A slam bam freezer would likely do the job in a week, so a mediocre one
should be adequate for three weeks.

A really fabulous commercial freezer can do the job in 24 hours.
Chris O

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8. Re: Question: 8 week old puppy (Sambuca) need advice on next...
Posted by: "Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com" Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com irishcateyes1
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:01 pm ((PDT))

Okay. :) Thanks about the gizzards. I was told that so I figured I
wouldn't feed that often or buy special packs, but good to know that it still is
considered muscle and maybe I can "beef" up a boney meal with it on occassion. I
have been slicing it small for treats but dh HATES getting his hands
dirty--please!. I freaked out last night when he gave him a whole pupperoni stick
(which he bought and I was taking back today). SIGH. .. he wants treats he
doesn't have to wash his hands every time after he gives them. I told him there was
probably just as much salmonella on the Pupperoni stick as there is on raw
gizzards. LOL! The look on his face was priceless. ;)

Thanks again! Tamatha



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9a. Re: Slipper Elm Bark
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:55 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Carol!
Have you ever tasted SEBP? I have, and just dipped the tip
of my finger into the baggie to reconfirm my memory. Its really very
bland, sightly sweet. I add a 1/2 - 1 tsp of SEBP to an ounce of
ground meat, usually chicken or turkey to make 1-2 meatballs and feed
accordingly. I've never had a dog refuse it this way.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> On Jul 20, 2007, at 4:30 AM, Cdandp2@... wrote:
>
> > Someone asked why I add honey (sorry, I lost the e-mail as I was
> > responding
> > to it....love my AOL...NOT).
> >
> > But I think it's just for taste. The SEB is really bitter and my
> > dog takes
> > it better with the honey. If it has another function, I don't
> > know what it
> > is. The recipe was given to me by someone on my kidney list a few
> > years ago.
> >
> > Carol for Spencer
>
>
> Thank you; it was my post. This is why I suggest cream or broth. Just
> in general principle, I don't prefer to pervert a dog's taste by
> providing any form of concentrated sugars. As I said, just in
> principle, due to my long standing adherence to natural diet for both
> species....
>
> ginny and Tomo

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10.1. New Member
Posted by: "Ann Flynn" a.flynn@optusnet.com.au flynn_nn
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:03 pm ((PDT))

Hello Janine,

I didn't know what Akitas were so I did a search. Very nice breed.

I know nothing about blood test readings but sounds like you are concerned
about it so maybe someone else can help you with that, but glad to hear your
dogs seem ok anyway.

I didn't see any other replies to your post. You have mentioned that you are
using a commercial mix and have been home cooking meals for your dogs. This
group is all about raw feeding of whole meaty chunks with bone in, not
ground or commercial foods which are not the best food for dogs. The
suppliers of the food you are using recommends mixing vegetables with their
mix as well, but dogs are carnivores and cannot digest vegetables, they will
go through undigested and give no nutrition to the dog. It is a lot of
effort for you and not needed by the dogs.

It is great that you want to do the best thing for your dogs and if you
stick around and read more posts here you will learn a lot about raw
feeding.

The commercial dog food companies, whether selling canned, kibbled or raw
concoctions, are selling it just because it is a way for them to make a
financial profit, not because it is the best for your dog. But the politics
of it is covered in another group I think. Suffice to say they make nothing
when you just go to the butcher or wherever and buy a hunk of meat with the
bone in. A lot of people here recommend starting with whole chicken. It is
easy and offers a complete meal when fed with the organs.

I think it was in Tom Lonsdale's book, "Works Wonders" or maybe in this
group that I read that if you left your dog to find its own food, you would
not find him down in the carrot patch! That made a lot of sense to me. Our
modern dogs are just modified wolves, and wolves thrive on a diet of meat,
bones and organs of the prey they hunt.

They need the ripping tearing and chewing for both mental and physical
health. Feeding ground, prepared foods takes away these all important
aspects of raw feeding large pieces which need lots of work, chewing and
tearing to get through.

It is what I think is called the "whole prey model" diet. The folk here
recommend an 80/10/10 ratio, being 80% meat, 10% bone, and 10% organs ( eg.
liver, kidney). There is heaps of info in the archives to this site if you
look it up and lots of very knowledgeable people here if you have any
questions regarding feeding a whole raw meaty diet.

Cheers, Ann.

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11a. Question...could be OT
Posted by: "Karen Swanay" luvbullbreeds@gmail.com kswanay1111
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:41 pm ((PDT))

OK I'm going to ask, but this may be off topic. I'm about to get a
cockatiel. I've had them before but I fed seed. The prevailing wisdom is
that birds should be fed a high quality processed pelleted food for optimal
health. (Sound familiar?) There doesn't seem to be much in the way of raw
feeding information for birds so I was wondering if anyone had any ideas
what a proper diet might be and if anyone here has been feeding their
parrots a biologically appropriate diet? If the moderators decide it's OT,
private replies are welcomed.

Thank you,
Karen

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11b. Re: Question...could be OT
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:36 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Karen Swanay" <luvbullbreeds@...>
wrote:

As with any animal ... Do a little research to find out what they eat
in the wild. That is the proper food to feed them.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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11c. Re: Question...could be OT
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:08 pm ((PDT))

"Karen Swanay" <luvbullbreeds@...> wrote:
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> OK I'm going to ask, but this may be off topic.
*****
You were right, it is.
We try to stick to dogs, cats and ferts here, with occasional walks in
the weeds to discuss human foibles. Birds is too far into the weeds.

Private replies are great; you might want to repost to rawchat where
life is more leisurely.

Further postings here will be loosed to the skies, cyber or otherwise.
Chris O
Mod Team

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12. An unexpected benefit!
Posted by: "kjdaughtridge" kjdaughtridge@yahoo.com kjdaughtridge
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:04 pm ((PDT))

I've been raw feeding my two dogs for about 4 weeks now. My greyhound
has incontinence due to urethral sphincter mechanism incompetence (he
leaks when he's asleep). Well, after about 2 weeks or so on raw, he
has stopped leaking! I am overjoyed to say the least. But I am curious
as to a scientific explanation for how a raw diet could help this
condition.(I was never very good at biology.)I'd love to hear
everyone's thoughts. Is this cause & effect?

--Kathleen D.

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13a. Re: Question: 8 week old puppy (Sambuca) need advice on next step
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Ginny & Chris!
I too, was concerned about the 'no nutritional value' label being
placed on gizzards, so I looked up a couple sites with nutritional and
vitamin info;
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20Ag.html
http://www.lowchensaustralia.com/health/chicken.htm
They seem to be pretty fine in vitamin as well as the nutritional
value, also.
Like I said before, I feed them, and am satisfied they are as good for
my dog as any other boneless body part.
TC
Giselle

> ginny wilken <gwilken@> wrote:
> > I'm sorry to take up bandwidth with this, but I think maybe someone
> > should point out that gizzards are perfectly fine muscle meat. This
> > is far from "no nutritional value". They are not glands or organs,
> > really, so don't have any of those "special" features, but they are
> > still fine food, along with the rest of the darn chicken, from time
> > to time.
> *****
> I don't see this as using up bandwidth.
>
> Gizzards are not useless body parts, similarly they are not heroic body
> parts. But they are body parts and one hardly has to go out of one's
> way to acquire them. It would be silly not to feed them, under those
> circumstances.
>
> Chris O(
>

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14a. Re: pork and chicken
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:58 pm ((PDT))

"esmolensky" <esmolensky@...> wrote:

> If I can only get chicken and pork(budget issues)as my only protein
> > source, is that still ok along with other or same(chicken) organs?
*****
I recommend in lieu of whole prey that one should aim for both
protein and body part variety. Be my preference to see more than two
meats, but if you can manage to feed lots of chicken parts and lots
of pork parts--instead of restricting yourself to, say, leg quarters
and pork neck bones--you would be (IMO) offering your dog more. Some
meaty bones, some bony bones, some juicy meaty meals, some not so.
So think whole chicken and think "meat chart" when looking for pork.

I'd think it shouldn't be so hard to find affordable beef heart.
Beef heart would be a terrific addition to the menu. Beef heart
would assure you of more meat, of more red meat, and of another
protein source. Three in one blow!

For organs, if all you can get is chicken liver, at least feed that.
Try for pork liver if you can, and spleen. Beef liver of course
would be good.

When you are facing serious financial limitations, it is really worth
it to keep your eyes peeled for the occasional odd thing to add to a
meal. I suggest you browse the list archives for options others have
come across, and for ways to stetch your budget, and for sources you
may not have considered.

Here's how to join Yahoogroups so you can access the Rawfeeding
message archives:
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Chris O

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14b. Re: pork and chicken
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:20 pm ((PDT))

Hi, uh, esmolensky!
Look over this list of creative/cheap ways to source a variety of
meat/body parts;
"Where do you look for meat suppliers?"

Permission to repost from Lis

1) look up meat and poultry packers, processors, and distributors in
the yellow pages. You may be able to get great prices from them if
you order in bulk, and/or they may have a discount outlet that is
open to the public.
2) I get many of my best deals in Asian/Oriental markets. I've also
heard that Hispanic and Caribbean markets have great variety and
prices too.
3) you may be able to join a barter group.
4) google breeders (i.e. rabbit, goat, lamb, etc.) who are in your
geographic area. They may have culls they want to get rid of, or
lower prices overall.
5) look up bulk suppliers and frozen bulk foods in your yellow pages.
6) if you have a Chinatown nearby, definitely make a visit.
7) let your friends, relatives, and neighbors know you want any
freezer burn or old meat when they clean out their freezers, and tell
them to pass the word along.
8) if you belong to a church or social group, tell those members to
mention it to their friends and relatives as well.
9) see if there are any co-ops or meat buying groups near you. Check
on Yahoo, or Google to see.
10) try craigslist - it's amazing what you can get for free or cheap.
11) and I get meat and fish all the time (for free) through
Freecycle. Join multiple lists if there are a few close by.
12) some Wal-Marts and some Costcos and some Sam's Clubs have good
deals, but you may want to make sure it's not seasoned meat.
13) definitely watch the the flyers, and you can usually see the rest
of the flyers online (the ones that don't get delivered to your house,
but are only a short drive away).
14) *** hands down, the bulk of my best deals have been marked down
meat at regular grocery stores. They reduce it the day before it is
going to expire, and I go as early as I can to get it before it is
gone.
15) tell friends and relatives who hunt and fish that you want first
dibs on any body parts they don't. You can probably get at least the
organs and maybe the head. Also ask them to put you in touch with
their other friends who hunt and fish.
16) a great tip I learned here a while back â€" some restaurants
throw out things they don't use, like the organs that come inside
whole poultry, or raw meat that falls on the floor. see if they'll
save them for you. Find somebody who knows somebody who works there.
17) farmer's markets are great, but pick and choose carefully for the
best bargains. and sometimes at the end of the day some vendors will
reduce their prices, cause they don't want to take it back with them.
18) some people contact taxidermists, who have no use for the meat.
19) find people on this list from your vicinity, and ask them where
they get their meat deals. Join other raw feeding lists (there are
many), and ask if there are other raw feeders in your area.
20) tell your butcher you want the meat that they would normally
throw out, that is almost out of date, that people ordered and didn't
pick up, stuff that was dropped on the floor, their freezer
cleanouts, and parts that don't sell (like trachea, lungs, spleen,
etc.). Some butchers will save their trim for you (once they get to
know you). Build a relationship with them first.
21) yes, roadkill works too (where it is legal). In some places you
can get your name on the list and get called when they have large
roadkill (like deer)
22) you can raise your own meat/poultry if you have the room
23) post a message in CarnivoreFeed-Supplier or CFS-Canada if you are
in North America:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/CarnivoreFeed-Supplier/
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/CFS-Canada/
24) speak to local farmers
25) also look for heart, tongue, and gizzards which count as meat (as
opposed to organ) in the world of raw feeding, but are often cheaper
than other muscle meats
26) find somebody who knows somebody who works at the grocery store.
They can introduce you to the meat guy, who may become more willing
to save stuff for you or reduce items about to expire, once they know
you.
27) check the internet. Some suppliers have affordable prices, even
after shipping costs are calculated.

Lis

Thanks again, Lis

TC
Giselle

> If I can only get chicken and pork(budget issues)as my only protein
> > source, is that still ok along with other or same(chicken) organs?
>

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