[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11837

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Summary for your newest member
From: Morledzep@aol.com

2a. Re: missing stuff in diet
From: Morledzep@aol.com

3.1. Re: itchy skin
From: Giselle

4a. Newbie With A Feeding Dilemma -Won't Eat Frozen Either
From: Maiakitas@aol.com
4b. Re: Newbie With A Feeding Dilemma -Won't Eat Frozen Either
From: Yasuko herron
4c. Re: Newbie With A Feeding Dilemma -Won't Eat Frozen Either
From: Giselle
4d. Re: Newbie With A Feeding Dilemma -Won't Eat Frozen Either
From: Daisy Foxworth

5a. Help with choosing bones after losing a tooth
From: chele519
5b. Re: Help with choosing bones after losing a tooth
From: costrowski75
5c. Re: Help with choosing bones after losing a tooth
From: cypressbunny
5d. Re: Help with choosing bones after losing a tooth
From: chele519
5e. Re: Help with choosing bones after losing a tooth
From: chele519

6a. Re: How many meals should a puppy have
From: Laura Atkinson
6b. Re: How many meals should a puppy have
From: costrowski75

7a. Poe loves her bones...
From: Nathalie Poulin
7b. Re: Poe loves her bones...
From: costrowski75
7c. Re: Poe loves her bones...
From: cypressbunny

8a. Sample Meal Plan??
From: shutch12001
8b. Re: Sample Meal Plan??
From: Casey Post
8c. Re: Sample Meal Plan??
From: Sandee Lee

9.1. recreational bones
From: Felicia Kost
9.2. Re: recreational bones
From: Sandee Lee
9.3. Re: recreational bones
From: costrowski75

10a. Having issues changing to new protein
From: spicemother
10b. Re: Having issues changing to new protein
From: mwood8402

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1a. Re: Summary for your newest member
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:02 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 7/23/2007 8:13:14 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ngbjorgan@gmail.com writes:

1) Are kelp, bone-meal and fish oils necessary if one is doing the above?
2) How many raw eggs (including the shell) for a lab in a week?
3) Is there anything I'm missing that I should know before we get this
puppy?

Naomi,

Fish is good whole prey.. but 2 times a week is pushing it.. once or less per
week is probably more than necessary. Of course, in the philipines you may
be able to get fish much cheaper than other meats, so it might be in your best
interests finanically to feed more fish.. in this case.. feed it often, but
feed a good variety of other meats too..

the answers to the other questions would be:

1. kelp and bone meal are counter productive, but fish body oil (not liver
oil) can be good for boosting Omega 3 and to combat itchy skin in the dry season.

2. eggs is a dog by dog kinda thing.. most of my dogs can eat 2 - 5 eggs in a
meal and have no adverse effects, but some dogs get seriously squirty stools
if they eat more than one egg in a week.

3. looks to me like you've got it covered.. but if you can't get whole prey
you're gonna want to lean on the "golden ratio".. lol. 10% edible bone, 10%
organ meats and 80% everything else.. especially muscle meats.

Catherine R.

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2a. Re: missing stuff in diet
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:06 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 7/23/2007 8:11:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mdevlin@aisle10.net writes:

since those bones are harder, should I be
supplementing those meals with a more boney piece of chicken and taking away
the beef/pork bones after he picks them clean?

Mike,

not necessary to suppliment with extra bones any time.. bare naked bones are
a BAD thing. if the dog can't handle the bigger bones just feed something
with a bone in it that he can eat tomorrow.. remember most folks feed too much
bone, you only need about 10% edible bone in the entire diet.. which basically
means there should be LOTS of boneless meals..

Catherine R.

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3.1. Re: itchy skin
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:28 pm ((PDT))

DITTO, from me too, Laura!
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Laura,
>
> Add a lot more meat and dump the yogurt, cottage cheese and veggies
and see
> how that goes! Looks like you are feeding a lot of bony portions
that are
> lacking in meat and fat.
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang

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4a. Newbie With A Feeding Dilemma -Won't Eat Frozen Either
Posted by: "Maiakitas@aol.com" Maiakitas@aol.com maiakitas
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:14 am ((PDT))

Catherine,

I think you misunderstood, I have no problem with my stubborn pooches missing
meals, I've had Akitas for 25 years, so the ones that want to play games have
missed many a meal. :o) I was trying to figure out the logistics of trying
to have only fresh meat available, and stop having to waste so much, since it
is apparent that they will not eat anything that is even slightly "off," just
like cats. And unfortunately as Megan suggests, and maybe because they are
still new at this, the partially frozen does not seem to work either.

Does microwaving on defrost briefly alter the nutritional content of the meat
if it is still partially frozen? I know there has to be a way to get this
right.

Regards,
Carla

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4b. Re: Newbie With A Feeding Dilemma -Won't Eat Frozen Either
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:51 am ((PDT))

>Does microwaving on defrost briefly alter the nutritional content of the meat if it is still >partially frozen?

Hi,Carla. I think I have read somewhere but microwaving cook the bone so, no good to do microwaving.

Did you try flavoring the meat you want to give?
Like,you sear the meat quickly and heat bring up the smell and even without flavoring some dog eats it.If that did not healp,try searing with butter or garlic powder.and less searing over time.

and if you hunch over the meat,maybe dog could sense that too so,sit back relax and the dog will eat it.

I read that bring up temprature;meat in zip bag and put it in warm water to bring temp up, also helps.

Good luck

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4c. Re: Newbie With A Feeding Dilemma -Won't Eat Frozen Either
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:59 am ((PDT))

Hi, Carla!
If your guys won't eat partially frozen, just put the meal to
be fed under very warm water in a sink or deep pan to thaw it fast.
Keep it in the plastic zippy bag, but make sure there's no air
pockets, that makes it thaw more slowly. You can weight it down with a
heavy pan filled with warm water, too.

If you want to thaw it fast, or several meals are stuck together, take
the chuck out of the bag, and just thaw under warm water. Break each
portion apart as you can, and it will thaw faster.

Its not a good idea to thaw or warm meat and bone in the mic.
Microwaves cook from the inside out and the bone may get hot &/or
brittle before the meat is thawed.

If you thaw under warm water, sometimes it doesn't need to be
completely thawed before the dog will eat it. The warm outside and
increased odor entices the dog to eat it, then when they get to the
still frozen part, NBD. You may be able to then thaw less and less,
until they are eating partly frozen meals right out of the fridge.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I think you misunderstood, I have no problem with my stubborn
pooches missing
> meals, I've had Akitas for 25 years, so the ones that want to play
games have
> missed many a meal. :o) I was trying to figure out the logistics
of trying
> to have only fresh meat available, and stop having to waste so much,
since it
> is apparent that they will not eat anything that is even slightly
"off," just
> like cats. And unfortunately as Megan suggests, and maybe because
they are
> still new at this, the partially frozen does not seem to work either.
>
> Does microwaving on defrost briefly alter the nutritional content of
the meat
> if it is still partially frozen? I know there has to be a way to get
this
> right.
>
> Regards,
> Carla

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4d. Re: Newbie With A Feeding Dilemma -Won't Eat Frozen Either
Posted by: "Daisy Foxworth" daisyfoxworth@yahoo.com daisyfoxworth
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:11 am ((PDT))

>
> Its not a good idea to thaw or warm meat and bone in the mic.
> Microwaves cook from the inside out and the bone may get hot &/or
> brittle before the meat is thawed.
>
I had always understood that microwaves heat from the outside in, and
that you arrange the dish with that in mind. Perhaps bones absorb
more of the microwaves than meat does and that is why they are more
likely to cook.

Daisy

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5a. Help with choosing bones after losing a tooth
Posted by: "chele519" chele519@yahoo.com chele519
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:17 am ((PDT))

My dog Shrek is having her upper fourth premolar pulled tomorrow for a
slab fracture. All her other premolars are worn flat so i just don't
think pork shoulder bones are appropriate for her anymore. The problem
is she has many allergies so she eats pork, duck, and lamb. I'm
planning to continue to give her the pork shoulder whole to get the
meat and then take away the bone. Or, my butcher will slice them for
me and I can give it as a slab and remove the bone that way. I'm
trying to see about getting the duck carcasses i used to feed and
going back to those, plus getting some boneless lamb instead of the
shoulders. The carcasses don't have a lot of meat on them but I
thought if I fed the pork and then fed the duck carcass every other
day along with the pork, it would be enough. I can't afford to feed
whole duck all the time, 1-2 per month is about it but one is 2-3
meals for her. Would the duck carcass be enough bone if I fed that
every other day? Fish isn't an option because the cheapest stuff is
around 5.99/lb.
Michele

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5b. Re: Help with choosing bones after losing a tooth
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:49 am ((PDT))

"chele519" <chele519@...> wrote:
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> My dog Shrek is having her upper fourth premolar pulled tomorrow
for a
> slab fracture. All her other premolars are worn flat so i just don't
> think pork shoulder bones are appropriate for her anymore.
*****
I don't know that your conclusion necessarily follows from the facts
you offer but if you want to skip pork shoulders bones, there are
others so tis not the end of the world. I've had dogs with stubby
premolars that did fine jobs on pork or lamb shoulder bones; I only
quit feeding them because advanced age seemed to diminish jaw
strength.

Bones are about crushing, not chewing, so pointy teeth are not
generally called for when tackling bones. Pointy teeth are for
slicing. A dog with stubby teeth is easily as likely to have trouble
busting up hunks of meat as dismantling shoulder bones.

The problem
> is she has many allergies so she eats pork, duck, and lamb. I'm
> planning to continue to give her the pork shoulder whole to get the
> meat and then take away the bone.
*****
If you're not going to use the weight of the bone, why pay for it?
Unless bone-in pork shoulder roast is mighty cheap, buy bonless pork
and feed with the bones of other species, as you suggest. No big
deal. Or try other pork parts: brisket bone, spare ribs, riblets
(rib tips), hocks, neck bones. Seems to me you are making this more
difficult than it needs be.

Would the duck carcass be enough bone if I fed that
> every other day?
*****
If the duck carcasses you get are as bony as the duck carcasses I can
get but refuse to because they're too bony, you should have no
problem feeding adequate bone. People who choose not to feed bone
variety often rely solely on body chicken parts for the edible bone;
relying on duck carcasses is no different.

My guess is you will easily meet and probably exceed the amount of
edible bone needed for optimal nutrition. Whether you can get
adequate dental hygiene from the carcassses remains to be seen.
Chris O

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5c. Re: Help with choosing bones after losing a tooth
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:19 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "chele519" <chele519@...> wrote:
>
> All her other premolars are worn flat so i just don't
> think pork shoulder bones are appropriate for her anymore.

*** Isn't this the dog that chews tennis balls? Pork bones are not to
blame, here, I don't think. Chewing on tennis balls is like chewing on
sandpaper--the teeth wear down the same.

--Carrie

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5d. Re: Help with choosing bones after losing a tooth
Posted by: "chele519" chele519@yahoo.com chele519
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:27 pm ((PDT))

I got rid of the tennis balls and got frisbees when I read that here
but she still has the slab fracture, that wouldn't be caused by the
tennis balls.

I guess I'm being overcautious. I just don't want to risk another
broken tooth.
Michele

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cypressbunny" <cypressbunny@...>
wrote:

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> *** Isn't this the dog that chews tennis balls? Pork bones are not to
> blame, here, I don't think. Chewing on tennis balls is like chewing on
> sandpaper--the teeth wear down the same.
>
> --Carrie
>

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5e. Re: Help with choosing bones after losing a tooth
Posted by: "chele519" chele519@yahoo.com chele519
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:31 pm ((PDT))

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Well, I'm worried about her cracking the big premolar on the other
side too so that's the main reason I'm nervous about the pork.

I'm probably overreacting but with all the health problems she has had
and 2 surgeries in 1 month, I'm just really discouraged and being
overprotective.

Bone in pork shoulder is .89/lb. The only boneless pork that I can get
that is cheap is the sirloin steaks those are thin slices, like 1/4"
but the butcher will sell them to me before they are sliced. They're
small though, not like a big roast, maybe 1lb each. When I was giving
her the smaller stuff, it wasn't enough to express her anal glands.
Those only cleared up when i gave the whole pork shoulder in one
piece, that's why I was thinking I'd keep feeding that. Plus, I've got
about 20 of them in the freezer. :)

I was able to also get whole ducks at much cheaper prices than the
grocery store so I ordered some of those too.

For the first few days, should I grind some meat or just cut up a
roast into chunks? I'm sure her mouth will be sore. She wouldn't eat
last night so it was probably sore from the vet poking at it.
Michele

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
> I don't know that your conclusion necessarily follows from the facts
> you offer but if you want to skip pork shoulders bones, there are
> others so tis not the end of the world.

> If you're not going to use the weight of the bone, why pay for it?
> Unless bone-in pork shoulder roast is mighty cheap, buy bonless pork
> and feed with the bones of other species, as you suggest.

> If the duck carcasses you get are as bony as the duck carcasses I
can get but refuse to because they're too bony, you should have no
> problem feeding adequate bone.
>
> My guess is you will easily meet and probably exceed the amount of
> edible bone needed for optimal nutrition. Whether you can get
> adequate dental hygiene from the carcassses remains to be seen.
> Chris O
>

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6a. Re: How many meals should a puppy have
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:13 am ((PDT))

The easy rule of thumb is that when you can get their entire day's
intake into them with no adverse effects (loose stools primarily) then
they're ready for one meal a day. For some puppies this is the 5-6 mo
range, for others later.

Harder is explaining to the newly moved to 1 meal a day puppy why
she's only eating once a day now. I tend to wait longer to go to 1
meal to avoid this discussion <grin>

--
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6b. Re: How many meals should a puppy have
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:55 am ((PDT))

"Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@...> wrote:
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> Harder is explaining to the newly moved to 1 meal a day puppy why
> she's only eating once a day now. I tend to wait longer to go to 1
> meal to avoid this discussion <grin>
*****
Ah yes.
My big dogs are accustomed to the vagaries of my feeding non-plan so
don't worry that the cat gets fed twice a day. But my pupster who is
now 10 months old and should darn well be happy on one square a day
continues to be agitated when the cat gets its evening meal. So the
pup gets a morsel for dinner. I figure I'm good for another couple
weeks, then it's ziiip. No more dinner snacks.
Chris O

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7a. Poe loves her bones...
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:25 am ((PDT))

Hey gang,

I know that they're only supposed to get %10 edible
bone, but my dog LOVES chewing on bones.
When I give her a boneless meal, she always looks up
at me, after, like I've jipped her out of what's due
to her.
Is it bad to give her lots of bones? Right now I've
been giving her goat/beef ribs and beef spinal bones
and she LOVES them. She eats them right up.This of
course, on top of the goat, pork, beef (and sometimes
chicken) meats that I feed her.
I also found wild hare, but she only grudgingly ate
it.

My dog really loves bones.
Is it ok to feed more than the recommended %10 bone as
long as I'm still feeding nice meaty portions?

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7b. Re: Poe loves her bones...
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:09 am ((PDT))

Nathalie Poulin <poulin_nathalie@...> wrote:
> When I give her a boneless meal, she always looks up
> at me, after, like I've jipped her out of what's due
> to her.
*****
This is training and it seems she is training you. You don't have to
feed her bones just because she wants you to. So that is not a good
enough reason.

> Is it bad to give her lots of bones? Right now I've
> been giving her goat/beef ribs and beef spinal bones
> and she LOVES them. She eats them right up.
*****
None of these body parts offer lovely amounts of meat, so perhaps if
you were to revise the menu to offer lovely amounts of meat she might
be more satisfied at the end of her meal.

> I also found wild hare, but she only grudgingly ate
> it.
*****
This is not unusual. Rabbit is not necessarily a protein welcomed
with open paws. That she ate it is what counts.

> My dog really loves bones.
> Is it ok to feed more than the recommended %10 bone as
> long as I'm still feeding nice meaty portions?
*****
I suggest you consider feeding meaty bones, not bones separate from
meat. This may will fill her belly and her expectations.
Additionally, I urge you to ignore her sad brown eyes.

How much edible bone she CAN ingest is not the same as how much she
needs; it's the same consideration one must give to dietary
vegetation: what the dog CAN eat versus what the dog actually needs.
A overall average or 10%-15% ought be easily achieved even if you
sometimes feed the girl large quantities of bone--just by feeding her
equally large (or larger) quantities of meat.

Regular doses of fairly meatless bones like ribs and necks may result
in tooth damage and/or constipation; nutritionally, excess calcium
will be excreted via stools. How much she can comfortably eat is, I
guess, for you to discover.
Chris O

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7c. Re: Poe loves her bones...
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:23 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Nathalie Poulin
<poulin_nathalie@...> wrote:
>
>> Is it ok to feed more than the recommended %10 bone as
> long as I'm still feeding nice meaty portions?

*** I suspect there are few on this list that feed as little as 10%
bone. Some feed a lot more bone than that. It will do her no harm if
you are closer to 15-20% bone on average. Some meals can be bonier,
some meatier.

--Carrie

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8a. Sample Meal Plan??
Posted by: "shutch12001" ghutch1@sympatico.ca shutch12001
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:51 am ((PDT))

Hi,
Could someone help me with a sample meal plan for my Black Russian
Terrier. Sebastian is 10 months old and approx. 120lb.
I started him on raw meat two days ago, feeding one chicken neck and
one back in the morning and two necks and backs in the evening. He
seems to be hungry and was sick (just a bit) twice last night.
Being new at this I'm a nervous wreck. I don't want my little guy
unhappy.
Please help!
Thanks
Susan

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8b. Re: Sample Meal Plan??
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:34 am ((PDT))

> Could someone help me with a sample meal plan for my Black Russian
> Terrier. Sebastian is 10 months old and approx. 120lb.
> I started him on raw meat two days ago, feeding one chicken neck and
> one back in the morning and two necks and backs in the evening. He
> seems to be hungry and was sick (just a bit) twice last night.

Susan,

Let me get this straight - you're feeding a 120 lb pup some chicken necks
and backs? This dog should be eating over 2 POUNDS of food a day, not
measly necks and backs! No wonder he's still hungry...and that would
account for the bit of sick you saw - empty tummy syndrome.

Go to www.rawfeddogs.net and look at the "recipes" section to get a better
idea of what size dogs need what size foods. Buy this boy some whole
chickens and whack them in half to get him started. He needs MEAT - not
skimpy bony things.

Keep reading!

Casey

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8c. Re: Sample Meal Plan??
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:42 am ((PDT))

Susan,

Start him out approximately 3% of his ideal adult weight. If he is really
120 lbs., that doesn't sound like near enough food for a growing puppy.

Necks and backs are far too bony tho...you need to feed some meatier
portions.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "shutch12001" <ghutch1@sympatico.ca>
Could someone help me with a sample meal plan for my Black Russian
Terrier. Sebastian is 10 months old and approx. 120lb.
I started him on raw meat two days ago, feeding one chicken neck and
one back in the morning and two necks and backs in the evening. He
seems to be hungry and was sick (just a bit) twice last night.

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9.1. recreational bones
Posted by: "Felicia Kost" saphiradane@yahoo.com saphiradane
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:21 am ((PDT))

Hello everyone, Is there such thing as recreational bones. I have been feeding lamb legs to my dogs on fastings days to occupy their mind. It works, they enjoy very much. Is this ok? What bones are not safe? I dont want any broken teeth. if they break the bones I dispose of the pieces so they are not swallowed. Does any one else use bones for recreation, if so what type? Thanks Felicia

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9.2. Re: recreational bones
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:54 am ((PDT))

Felicia,

I think some dogs can consume most lamb bones, but if these are bare, hard
bones, they are not safe. The bones generally used for recreation are the
ones responsible for breaking/wearing teeth and should be avoided.

If you are gorging the day before a fast, they shouldn't need anything to
occupy them. Otherwise there is no need for a fast day.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Felicia Kost" <saphiradane@yahoo.com>

> Hello everyone, Is there such thing as recreational bones. I have been
feeding lamb legs to my dogs on fastings days to occupy their mind. It
works, they enjoy very much. Is this ok? What bones are not safe? I dont
want any broken teeth. if they break the bones I dispose of the pieces so
they are not swallowed. Does any one else use bones for recreation, if so
what type? Thanks Felicia

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9.3. Re: recreational bones
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:20 am ((PDT))

Felicia Kost <saphiradane@...> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone, Is there such thing as recreational
*****
Yes there are. However, this list does not recommend them. Bare
naked bones--especially weight-bearing bones such as the very ones
you are feeding--are often implicated in tooth fracture or breakage.
They also grind the teeth down. In general and only half in jest we
refer to these are "wreck bones".

I urge you to feed plenty of meat on the bones you do feed, to offer
RMBs that are large enough to entertain their bodies and their minds,
and to find other distractionsbabysitters.

There is no need to feed anything on "fast" days. In fact, if you
are not feeding big, complicated, clumsy, awkward and engrossing
meals that sort of require a day's recuperation afterward, there's
really no reason to be "fasting" at all.

Perhaps if you joing Yahoogroups, you'd see in the archvies that
there are 31 previous posts linked to your topic.

Here's how to join Yahoogroups so you can access the Rawfeeding
message archives:
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10a. Having issues changing to new protein
Posted by: "spicemother" spicemother@yahoo.com spicemother
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:10 am ((PDT))

Hello,
I am new here my name is Millie and my little one is Sage, and
also to the raw diet. We just started on 7/07/07. My Shepherd Mix
3.5yr old has extreme IBS, we could never get it under control until I
researched my brains out and finally took the plunge and went raw.
WOW!!! what was I waiting for, she is a new DOG. I am so happy she is
feeling better and we finally had a firm stool for the very, very
first time 2 days after she was eating raw. My question though is I
have her started on Chicken, I started giving her very small amounts
mixed in of Ground Beef, but she starts getting a little more runnier
poo, so I know it has to be the beef. What if I can't give her a
variety or should I just keep adding a little bit until her system
gets acclimated to this new variety? Also can you give a little bone
everyday or do you recommend every other day? Thanks for any help!

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10b. Re: Having issues changing to new protein
Posted by: "mwood8402" mwood8402@hotmail.com mwood8402
Date: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:39 pm ((PDT))

My dog also has IBD and I also started with chicken. The second
protein I introduced was beef. I used lean stew meat. How fatty is
the ground beef? That may (or may not) be your problem. Make sure you
start with seriously small amounts of lean beef and feed it with a
boney meal for good measure. See how that goes. If it doesn't work,
there are plenty of other protein sources (fish, lamb, pork, venison,
rabbit, etc) that you can try. Good luck!

-Melissa W

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "spicemother" <spicemother@...>
wrote:
> Hello,
> I am new here my name is Millie and my little one is Sage, and
> also to the raw diet. We just started on 7/07/07. My Shepherd Mix
> 3.5yr old has extreme IBS, we could never get it under control until
I
> researched my brains out and finally took the plunge and went raw.
My question though is I
> have her started on Chicken, I started giving her very small amounts
> mixed in of Ground Beef, but she starts getting a little more runnier
> poo, so I know it has to be the beef.

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