[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11854

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Poo less, pee more
From: Shannon Hully

2a. Re: Newbie with various questions
From: sarahfalkner

3. Switching new foster to raw
From: mutts_enough

4a. Lazy eater
From: Marisa
4b. Re: Lazy eater
From: costrowski75
4c. Re: Lazy eater
From: Giselle

5a. Re: older dog
From: mlodge
5b. Re: older dog
From: costrowski75
5c. Re: older dog
From: costrowski75
5d. Re: older dog
From: katkellm
5e. Re: older dog
From: ginny wilken
5f. Re: older dog
From: Sandee Lee

6a. Newbie with various questions/egg question/dividing whole carcass qu
From: sarahfalkner
6b. Newbie with various questions/egg question/dividing whole carcass qu
From: Giselle

7a. Re: missing stuff in diet
From: Mike Devlin

8a. Re: question for Bill Carnes/ how meaty are chicken backs?
From: carnesbill

9a. ADMIN/Re: In memory of Harley 10/26/97 thru 07/27/07
From: costrowski75

10a. Rabbit makes dark brown poo?
From: Yasuko herron
10b. Re: Rabbit makes dark brown poo?
From: cmhausrath

11.1. Re: Chicken feet
From: Yasuko herron

12.1. Re: ground meat
From: Yasuko herron

13a. Re: Refusing organs
From: Kari Carlisle

14a. Re: Maya & diarrhea...ate something unknown
From: Yasuko herron

15a. Re: fresh meat
From: v_rod_or
15b. Re: fresh meat
From: Sandee Lee

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1a. Re: Poo less, pee more
Posted by: "Shannon Hully" summerwolf@theherbalhotline.com bluehankw
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:50 am ((PDT))

> Couldn't he be peeing more since his food has a much higher water
> content now? I would venture a guess that most non-raw dogs are
> dehydrated to some degree. They are designed to get most of their
> water from their food, and when they're on cooked food (kibble or
> canned), there's much less water in the food.
>
> Laurie

My GSD pee'd a LOT when he was kibble-fed and drank large quantities of
water. When I switched him over his water consumption became about 1/4
as much as he'd drunk before and his urinating went down drastically.
He used to pee for a minute at a time sometimes! He was actually on
meds to help his urinary incontinence brought on by "age", but I
stopped using it altogether when I switched him because he no longer
needed it. His system was no longer fighting to deal with the
unnatural amounts of water it was being forced to drink in order to
stay hydrated. If there is an increase in urinating I'd wonder why.

Shannon H.

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2a. Re: Newbie with various questions
Posted by: "sarahfalkner" Sarah.Falkner@gmail.com sarahfalkner
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:51 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
> Other than my thumb rules as listed above, I've never worried about
> percentages and ratios. More meat than bone; more red meat than
> white; squidgy ick organs when I remember and certainly when I am
> feeding same to the dogs. Again, I imagine others will contribute
> here, and you probably should join RawCat.
> Chris O

Chris, thanks so much for your thoughtful answers, very helpful. And I did join RawCat.

Sarah

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3. Switching new foster to raw
Posted by: "mutts_enough" mutts_enough@yahoo.com mutts_enough
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:52 am ((PDT))

Hi guys,

I'm picking up a foster dog today and will, of course!, be rawfeeding
him. This is my first foster since switching so I'm wondering what
the best way to switch would be. The dog is probably 18 months old
and is probably a chow mix so his ideal weight looks as though it
would settle at 45-50lbs ish.

My thinking would be to fast him until tomorrow morning, then go cold
turkey - literally as well as figuratively.

Should I have any concerns about my other two dogs picking up any
shelter-born diseases/viruses? This has happened to me before. My
aussie got a dose of kennel cough that went to pneumonia when I
introduced a foster. Yes, things weren't handled right by me back
then and my dogs' diet is better now, but I've still got that nervous
twitch thing going....

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks

Barb

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4a. Lazy eater
Posted by: "Marisa" mrsdog_lover@yahoo.com mrsdog_lover
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:55 am ((PDT))

Hi,
my 1 year old corgi is such a lazy eater!!! I've been raw feeding
my 3 dogs (5 year old pinscher, 14 year old mongrel and 1 year old
corgi) for 3 months now, and the benefits of raw feeding are so many
and I'm so happy and satisfied , exept of how my corgi eats!!!
Initially, he took the change with enthusiasm, but later on he started
to leave his food for later on, keeping an eye on it from the other
dogs.
He stays layed down a little distance from it and looks at it with
indecision!! He often does eat it in the end,after having charged off
all evening, who dares to have a sniff at his food!! Sometimes I get
fed up, and after 1 hour, I put it straight back in the fridge until
the next morning.
Other times I pretend to give it to an other dog, calling it's name,
and he soon hurrys up to eat!! I sometimes think I've to do with a
stubborn child, or maybe he likes all this fuss and attention!!
Where am I doing things wrong???
p.s. He used to do the same with kibble, canned food and our household
food. Maybe he gets fed up like I do in waiting for him to eat. Once I
left him 3 days without food because he left it on the floor all
evening!!
HELP!!!
Marisa (italy)

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4b. Re: Lazy eater
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:56 am ((PDT))

"Marisa" <mrsdog_lover@...> wrote:
I sometimes think I've to do with a
> stubborn child, or maybe he likes all this fuss and attention!!
> Where am I doing things wrong???
*****
Yes, I think he does enjoy the attention that fussing brings him. I
think he's taught you well and when you don't play his game--or play
it right--he goes off.

I recommend you regain ownership of the controls. Feed him food that
you know is both nutritious and palatable, put it down and then leave
him alone for whatever time you decide (altough I think a hour is too
long; maybe 20 minutes?) and if he's not actively eating at the
point, collect up the food AND THAT IS THAT. No second chances. The
kitchen, you must point out to him, is closed, and he gets no food
til the next regularly scheduled meal.

You can refeed that food or you can feed a different meal--as you
choose--but the same rules apply. If after X minutes the little fool
is still toying with his meal, pick it up, but it away, close the
kitchen.

He will not starve. If you offer meals you know from experience are
palatable, he will eat when he's hungry enough. I myself would not
use marginally-enjoyable food at this point but certainly the "eat
this or nothing" technique can also be used when trying to feed icky
food like liver. For now, when he does eat--and he will--it should
be food that's worth the wait. IMO.

I recommend you make the eating environment as stressfree as
possible, which means no resource guarding on his part or from the
others, no looming or skulking or pleading or imploring from the
humans. Just a matter of fact "come and get it". Time to de-
escalate, no?
Chris O

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4c. Re: Lazy eater
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:01 am ((PDT))

Hi, Marisa!
I'd 'do' the tough love plan with this little guy!
Feed everyone - I'm assuming that they each have their own space to
eat in?
If he doesn't eat in the time it takes for each dog to finish their
meals or in 15 minutes, take it up and put it in the fridge.

Don't coax, or make a fuss in any way. Just quietly gather it up and
put in the fridge.

Clean up everyone's places - you don't allow them to visit each
other's eating spots after a meal, do you?

No treats, no snacks, no sharing until the next meal!

At the next meal time, you can offer the same piece that was refused
the last meal or offer the same thing everyone else is getting.

Repeat this process, he will eventually decide that he'd better get on
the gravy train!

One of the things to consider; is that you are feeding him more than
he needs at a meal, or too often. Just because the other dogs are
eating, doesn't mean he has to be or should be, hungry too.

You could cut back on the portion size, or leave it the way it is if
he will eat part and leave part. If he refuses a meal, don't assume
he's being fussy - consider that he's a "self-regulator" and is only
eating what his body needs.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Hi,
> my 1 year old corgi is such a lazy eater!!! I've been raw feeding
> my 3 dogs (5 year old pinscher, 14 year old mongrel and 1 year old
> corgi) for 3 months now, and the benefits of raw feeding are so many
> and I'm so happy and satisfied , except of how my corgi eats!!!
<snip>Once I
> left him 3 days without food because he left it on the floor all
> evening!!
> HELP!!!
> Marisa (Italy)
>

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5a. Re: older dog
Posted by: "mlodge" mmlodge@att.net mlodge
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:56 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cheryl <parkbunny@...> wrote:
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> I see so many people saying young old I thought it had something to do
> with it. so why all the hoopla about vegetables being in kibble?
> Name: Cheryl
>
>
> Sandee Lee wrote:
> > Why would you want to feed vegetables to a carnivore? It's just as
> > convenient to feed a chicken quarter!
> >
> >
...
>

At the known, certain risk of ridcule from some here, I am going to
admit that I feed a small amount of fruit/veggies to my dog with his
raw meat diet. I feed it for the antioxidants. I don't think wolves
in the wild were dealing with so many free radicals.

Now bash away, but I know there are plenty of you here who do the same
thing, you all talk via email because we are all afraid to say we feed
some veggies!!

I LIKE feeding some fruit/veggies.

Melissa

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5b. Re: older dog
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:22 am ((PDT))

"katkellm" <katkellm@...> wrote:
it is because they are trying to advertise and sell a
> product. Their claims are based on sales not nutrition. People see
> their pets as their kids, and the pet food industry capitalizes on the
> notion
*****
Let us not forget that a product chock a block full of veggies is also
full of profit. What's more expensive--beef or bokchoy? Chicken or
carrots? Is ANYTHING cheaper than zucchini?

The vegetables are there so meat doesn't have to be. As with other
such products, because we CAN feed our dogs this stuff doesn't mean we
SHOULD.
Chris O

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5c. Re: older dog
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:06 am ((PDT))

"mlodge" <mmlodge@...> wrote:
> I LIKE feeding some fruit/veggies.
*****
Darlin, whatever gets you through the night.
Chris O

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5d. Re: older dog
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:06 am ((PDT))

> Now bash away, but I know there are plenty of you here who do the same
> thing, you all talk via email because we are all afraid to say we feed
> some veggies!!
> I LIKE feeding some fruit/veggies.

Hi Mellisa,
In my experience, the only time you feel that you are being bashed is
if the alleged bashing bothers you, and the said bashing only bothers
you because you don't feel "positive" deep down inside about your
choice. No one can make me feel bad about a choice if the deep small
voice inside of me convicts me that i'm on the right path. Most
importantly, if y'all feel like you are being mistreated, you could
start your own list and teach your methods. In the list summation it
speaks of being like minded. No one means that we have to be list
robots. We can disagree on training methods or where we feed or
what kind of shampoo to use, but its not list etiquette to disagree
with the premise of the list but i, for one, will like you whether you
fed veggies or not. KathyM

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5e. Re: older dog
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:19 am ((PDT))

On Jul 28, 2007, at 8:23 AM, katkellm wrote:

>> Now bash away, but I know there are plenty of you here who do the
>> same
>> thing, you all talk via email because we are all afraid to say we
>> feed
>> some veggies!!
>> I LIKE feeding some fruit/veggies.
>
> Hi Mellisa,
> In my experience, the only time you feel that you are being bashed is
> if the alleged bashing bothers you...

Yeah, well, I just want to know if you ever find any solid evidence
that carnivores can access and convert the antioxidant precursors in
plants into usable compounds. Generally they are much more complex
than those in carcasses, and often accompanied by other plant lectins
which are potentially irritating and inflammatory in themselves. So
let me know, because my dog and I both depend on the antioxidants
stored in the organs of the prey we eat - I've always had the
impression that nature helped us out here, by making our appropriate
food appropriate. We're pretty harda** about eating right, but we can
learn...

ginny and Tomo

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5f. Re: older dog
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:25 am ((PDT))

I don't know why you would expect ridicule or bashing. It has pretty much
been the consensus on this list that if your dog likes fruit/veggies, if he
has no physical malady that would preclude feeding fruit/veggies and as long
as they don't take up a significant portion of the diet, thus replacing
necessary food, go for it! We pretty much recommend that newbies don't
include them in the diet until they get their dog established on raw, at
which time if they want to use a few as treats....cool!

The issue is whether they are necessary (they aren't)! Everything a
carnivore requires is included in their natural diet of meat, bones and
organs. They have no need for carbohydrates.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "mlodge" <mmlodge@att.net>

At the known, certain risk of ridcule from some here, I am going to
admit that I feed a small amount of fruit/veggies to my dog with his
raw meat diet. I feed it for the antioxidants. I don't think wolves
in the wild were dealing with so many free radicals.

Now bash away, but I know there are plenty of you here who do the same
thing, you all talk via email because we are all afraid to say we feed
some veggies!!

I LIKE feeding some fruit/veggies.

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6a. Newbie with various questions/egg question/dividing whole carcass qu
Posted by: "sarahfalkner" Sarah.Falkner@gmail.com sarahfalkner
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:59 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Lindsay Dorian" <iamentropygirl@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been feeding my cat raw only for about 4 months so there are heaps of
> folks out there with more experience than me, plus she transitioned fairly
> quickly for a cat but FWIW here's our "relaxed approach"

Hi Lindsay, TK & Blaze,

thanks so much for your thoughtful answers, verrry helpful (and no, not to long!). I've
just moved to rural Ireland from Brooklyn, NY, so we have the wings with the "extra meaty
part on them too" (I'm a massage therapist, I wonder whether these are the biceps...? ;-) )

When you give eggs, do you mix in any of the shell?

And do you, or anybody, know a good visual resource for quartering chicken etc carcasses,
i.e. the best places to chop, so I can freeze smaller portions?

Best,

Sarah

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6b. Newbie with various questions/egg question/dividing whole carcass qu
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:38 am ((PDT))

Hi, Sarah!
The part of the chicken left on the wing when cut off is
breast meat, pec, maybe?
You can add bits of shell in with egg, but some just aren't interested
in eating them. Try squshing them into bigger or smaller pieces, to
see what might be accepted. My little dog would eat them up. My big
girl sometimes eats them, sometimes not. My mom's cat would lick them
, but not eat any shell at all.
This is a good visual link for cutting up a chicken, to get yourself
started anyway. I Googled "cutting up chicken". There are other links,
a couple with a vid. These parts are meant, of course, for people to
cook.
I do it differently. I generally cut through the top of the chicken
slightly on the side from the keel, or breast bone. I use kitchen
shears and cut it completely through.
Then, I press each half away from the middle, onto the cutting board.
Then, I cut from slightly on one side of the backbone all the way
through the chicken again.
With each half, I take the shears and cut between the breast and leg
through the back again.
The leg quarters should be cut between each joint; bend the quarter at
a joint, and cut through with a knife or shears. You'll have three
pieces; the drumstick, the thigh, and a bit of back.
The breast/back quarters can be cut up into 3-4 pieces, any old way.
One part will be the wing, with a bit of breast meat.
My way will give you 12-14 pieces, with the backbone as part of the
quartered pieces, mostly not separate from the meatier parts.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> thanks so much for your thoughtful answers, verrry helpful (and no,
not to long!). I've
> just moved to rural Ireland from Brooklyn, NY, so we have the wings
with the "extra meaty
> part on them too" (I'm a massage therapist, I wonder whether these
are the biceps...? ;-) )
>
> When you give eggs, do you mix in any of the shell?
>
> And do you, or anybody, know a good visual resource for quartering
chicken etc carcasses,
> i.e. the best places to chop, so I can freeze smaller portions?
>
> Best,
>
> Sarah
>

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7a. Re: missing stuff in diet
Posted by: "Mike Devlin" mdevlin@aisle10.net emdeefa
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:01 am ((PDT))

Sorry, I must have left that out. He is fairly small, an 8 1/2 month old 24
pound beagle mix. i think he just barely qualifies as "medium sized".

- Thanks for your help.
- Mike

On 7/28/07, Chia <chia.m@shaw.ca> wrote:
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>
> #### I didn't see the size, age, or weight of your dog so I'll reply to
> these questions assuming that he is a larger dog. Don't be surprised if he
> doesn't like kidney at first. Organs take patience, trial and error,
> manipulation and time. My dog used to be and still can be, a prima Donna
> with what is offered but now, I have it down to a science and am limited
> with what I offer. My boy prefers lamb livers and pork hearts so that is
> his mainstay. Have to love those dangling ventricles off the hearts.. ;-))
>
>

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8a. Re: question for Bill Carnes/ how meaty are chicken backs?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:19 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "quiltingtuppy" <mamacass@...>
wrote:
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> Regarding the sample menu plan, you recommend only chicken backs
> the first week, and as
> half the diet in the second week - does this include the legs?
> (very green newbie here)

I don't understand what you are asking here. First week is chicken
backs. Second week add chicken leg quarters. Yes the quarters
include the legs.

> I can't
> see there's much meat involved to get near the ratio of 80%
> meat/ the rest organ and bone

There is nowhere near the 80/10/10 ratio in these first two weeks.
I'm not trying to create an optimum diet nutritionwise in the first
weeks. Nutrition comes a few weeks into the diet. What I am trying
to do, and from reports I get, very successfully, is to eliminate
the problem of diarrhea that many dogs have when first switching to
the raw diet. It is intentionally heavy in bone for this purpose.

> (I've read not to fuss about organ too early on until they're
> used to raw). Obviously you know what you're doing!

Hehe, some people will question that, but the people I have talked
to that used this method of switching their dog had no problems with
diarrhea. I don't know one single dog that did unless they had
diarrhea before the switch, in which case it took a couple of days
on this diet to get rid of it.

Introducing organs too early in the diet is sometimes another cause
of diarrhea.

> And leave the skin on?

Leave the skin on unless it is causing a problem (diarrhea). Again,
I have never heard of a dog having a problem if my method is
strictly aheared to but if he should, take the skin off and feed
less volume overall.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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9a. ADMIN/Re: In memory of Harley 10/26/97 thru 07/27/07
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:37 am ((PDT))

Please send all condolences privately.
Thank you.
Chris O
Moderation Team

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10a. Rabbit makes dark brown poo?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:01 am ((PDT))

Hi, I am trying to introducing rabbit to palette. She has been fed 2 times of rabbit now.She is not thrilled about it but still eat all.

I look like asking more question about poo than anything else, but I have 1 question to ask.

Is rabbit meat makes poo dark brown color while meat is lighter color?

She had dark brown color so,I was surprised. I still feeding buffalo meat half portion and the red meat take over light colored meat poo color?

I know as long as poo is solid,I may not need to think about it but it was just wiered so,thought about asking.

Thank you

yassy

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10b. Re: Rabbit makes dark brown poo?
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:19 am ((PDT))

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:

> Hi, I am trying to introducing rabbit to palette. She has been fed
2 times of rabbit now.She is not thrilled about it but still eat all.

Hi Yassy --

This is about exactly how Griffin feels about rabbit: he eats it all,
but he doesn't much jump for joy.

> Is rabbit meat makes poo dark brown color while meat is lighter
color?

Usually, for Griff, yes. I've found that only poultry -- only eating
birds -- makes Griff have light poop. Everything else -- pork,
rabbit, goat, lamb, beef, venison, other mammals, you name it -- we
get dark poop.

Though you're right -- it's nothing much to be worried about. You
haven't been developing an obsession about poop-watching while I've
been underground this summer, have you??

-- sandy & griffin, not far away & wondering where you're getting
affordable bison ...

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11.1. Re: Chicken feet
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:10 am ((PDT))

> how much meat is on one of those little things though?

HI.I get chicken feet(but better to say chicken paws because it is just hand portion area and not arm area coming with it) at shoppers,and I know Hare today sell chicken feet(paws) sell as well.

Personally I see it as bony so,when I need to add more bone,I tend to use this.

Plus,if you see little wet poo,even if it is afternoon,I can grab from feezer and give for dinner.Since bone is not as thick as beef bones or rib bones,it seems easy to defrost as well.

My husband once looked her eating chicken feet and he said "yuck" but,palette herself enjoy it a lot.

I am trying to introduce rabbit to palette and I just used chicken feet just like treats for" good eating" sort of..

I gave her rabbit (half portion of her entire meal) and she eat all;although not thrilled,and after eating it,I praised her and gave her chicken feet and buffalo meat(this makes half od her entire meal with rabbit).She was so happy to see her favorite kinds of meat and she trotted to me and grabbed and backed to her mat area and lay down and ate it all.

I would not feed chicken feet only meal but it is good for adding more bone to meal even if you need it the same day.I have read some people give as snack too.

This will be staple stock up thing in freezer I think.

yassy

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12.1. Re: ground meat
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:53 am ((PDT))

>2) ground meat has more bacteria than whole or meats cut into large portions

Hi, this is just a thought but, I remember you told me that you give slippery elm with ground meat namely ground chicken.I too do not like pre-made thing because I cannot figure out waht it is in the stuff and no control over the ingredients.

That being said, If you buy/use, say, chicken breast and mince it with food processor to make meatball to mix in Slippery elm,then, it is better than buying ground chicken at store and make,I thought.What do you think? That may cut the bacteria % too.

It goes same with beef. If someone needed to make meatball,then they can get piece of meat and mince it with food processor. That could cut bacteria% too.

Maybe pricer than buing ground chicken/beef but less risk.

I don't use ground meat of any kinds but I thought that if ground meat is needed to make meatball,it maybe good idea.

Just a thought.
yassy

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13a. Re: Refusing organs
Posted by: "Kari Carlisle" kari@houndgroup.com karicarlisle
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:53 am ((PDT))

My two dogs aren't too thrilled with organ meat either, and it's a
real challenge to get them to eat it. I recently ran out of green
tripe mixed with organ meat that I got from greentripe.com. My dogs
love that stuff! I bought some chicken livers and put them in their
bowls with some other meat. They both picked each liver out and
dropped in the grass. I picked it all up, and put back in the
container. I came across it in the fridge a few days later and decided
to try browning it on the stove. I dumped it in the pan, turned on the
heat, and within a couple of minutes, I was dying from the stench.
Then I realized that blades of grass that got picked up with the liver
had fermented. I would rather take a huge whiff of green tripe than
what I was smelling! I went ahead and served it up. Samantha wolfed it
down. Jack was still a little unsure, but ended up eating the whole
bowlful. Go figure. I don't think, however, that I'll be attempting
the whole fermented grass thing again!

Kari
Jack and Sam's houndmom

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14a. Re: Maya & diarrhea...ate something unknown
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:53 am ((PDT))

>Then yesterday (Friday) she had diarrhea all day too so we fasted her all yesterday and >gave her Slippery Elm.

Hi. I know that when dog has diarrhea;uncontrolable poo,you need to make sure dog gets water/liquid enough so that the dog not going to dehydrated.

When my dog get diarrhea, I make sure she drinks water but if she didn't I give her broth or something. Ginny once mentioned to me that she give slippery elm mixed in broth.You can do that when you dose the Slippery elm I think.

And I try getting rid of visible fat from meat and choose less fattier cut of meat and maybe giving bone would help.Because bone normally firm up the poo.

When my dog had Lamb tongue, I fed normal portion of tongue first day and it went watery poo. It was not diarrhea because she went just once a day. So, I cut back tongue portion and cut off visible fat and gave half lamb tongue half chicken with pork neck bone or Buffalo rib.I added quite bony stuff to meal and her poo got solid back and normal.

It maybe I could use tongue because she was not having diarrhea but,you can give less fatty meat;chicken for example with bony stuff like pork neck(my dog ate pork neck just like chicken bone and seemed soft).It may help.

yassy

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15a. Re: fresh meat
Posted by: "v_rod_or" v_rod_or@yahoo.com v_rod_or
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:53 am ((PDT))

> do u need to freeze all meats before feeding?

I've heard from several respected folks here that fish (at least some
kinds) should be frozen first...think this has something to do with
bones. Maybe someone can elaborate further?

Rod

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15b. Re: fresh meat
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:05 pm ((PDT))

No, it has nothing to do with bones. Fresh caught salmonoids from the PNW
require freezing to kill possible parasites. Commercial fish has already
been frozen.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "v_rod_or" <v_rod_or@yahoo.com>

I've heard from several respected folks here that fish (at least some
kinds) should be frozen first...think this has something to do with
bones. Maybe someone can elaborate further?

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