[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11866

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: My grass.......
From: Nathalie Poulin

2a. Re: Freezer
From: Morledzep@aol.com
2b. Re: Freezer
From: Giselle
2c. Re: Freezer
From: Sandee Lee

3a. Re: Hare Today
From: jrtsnabc
3b. Re: Hare Today
From: Bordomom@verizon.net
3c. Re: Hare Today
From: Shannon Hully

4a. Re: new to this group
From: magolin0328
4b. Re: new to this group
From: jennifer mcfaden
4c. Re: new to this group
From: carnesbill
4d. Re: new to this group
From: costrowski75
4e. Re: new to this group
From: Sandee Lee

5a. Re: calcium/phosphorous ration
From: Shannon Hully
5b. Re: calcium/phosphorous ration
From: Jennifer
5c. Re: calcium/phosphorous ration
From: carnesbill

6a. Anal Blows
From: Amy
6b. Re: Anal Blows
From: Laurie Swanson
6c. Re: Anal Blows
From: Sandee Lee

7a. Re: Tripe 1st time
From: Bordomom@verizon.net

8.1. Feeding Fish
From: vadaski16
8.2. Re: Feeding Fish
From: costrowski75

9a. Re: introducing organs
From: antarpremal

10a. Re: Raw Feeding in OZ (was: offal variety - how necessary?)
From: zest_741

11a. not eating
From: Katie

12. ibs update
From: lhmcmaken

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1a. Re: My grass.......
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:01 pm ((PDT))

My dog too, but I find that if I hose it down a little
after she goes, then it's not so bad.
It's a little inconvenient, but at least it works!

Nathalie

> My Raw feed dog is killing my grass. Every time he
> pees

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2a. Re: Freezer
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:19 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 7/31/2007 12:40:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
megan.giselle@gmail.com writes:

I already have a large side by side and a good sized
upright. and only one dog right now, tho' admittedly, she's not a
light weight! ; )

LOL Giselle,

get the extra freezer then get another dog (always room for one more!!).. see
how easy it is.. lol.

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2b. Re: Freezer
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:00 pm ((PDT))

I already have several breeds picked out, and I'm considering whether
to foster an assistance pup, instead! What to do.........?
lol
need a pup *first, then another freezer.
Giselle


> LOL Giselle,
>
> get the extra freezer then get another dog (always room for one
more!!).. see
> how easy it is.. lol.
>
> Catherine R.

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2c. Re: Freezer
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:05 pm ((PDT))

You got that backwards, Giselle...get the freezer first! :)) You might end
up with a couple of Great Danes or something!!!!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Giselle" <megan.giselle@gmail.com>

I already have several breeds picked out, and I'm considering whether
to foster an assistance pup, instead! What to do.........?
lol
need a pup *first, then another freezer.
Giselle

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3a. Re: Hare Today
Posted by: "jrtsnabc" jrtsnabc@yahoo.com jrtsnabc
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:58 pm ((PDT))

From a Yahoo! search:

http://www.hare-today.com/

Cheers,

Katherine and the JRTs & BC
Windsor, CO

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Subject: [rawfeeding] Hare Today

Is there a website for Hare Today?

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3b. Re: Hare Today
Posted by: "Bordomom@verizon.net" Bordomom@verizon.net redmaskboy
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:48 pm ((PDT))

http://www.hare-today.com/

I was just out there this past weekend to pick up my order. She runs a very clean sanitary operation. Her dogs also look great.

Wendy

From: sgubernatis <sgubernatis@clearviewcatv.net>
Date: 2007/07/31 Tue PM 04:50:05 CDT
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rawfeeding] Hare Today

Is there a website for Hare Today?

Sue Gubernatis
Forest Hill, MD

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3c. Re: Hare Today
Posted by: "Shannon Hully" summerwolf@theherbalhotline.com bluehankw
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:49 pm ((PDT))

>
> Is there a website for Hare Today?
>
> Sue Gubernatis
> Forest Hill, MD
>

There are several places to get rabbit, all depends on where you are
located as far as how much shipping will run you.

Hare today:
http://www.hare-today.com/

Prey 4 Pets carries so much variety, both in meat and cuts:
http://www.prey4pets.com/servlet/StoreFront

Taylor Pond Farms:
http://www.taylorpondfarms.com/

Rodent Pro often has sales that are just incredible:
www.rodentpro.com

Whole foods 4 Pets (if you click on the section for lizards you can
get whole rabbits):
http://www.wholefoods4pets.com/dogs-cats.htm

(can you tell I get a little obsessive with this sort of thing? hehe)
Shannon H.

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4a. Re: new to this group
Posted by: "magolin0328" maggie.taylor@artlover.com magolin0328
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:59 pm ((PDT))

>diamond just lick at it could that been to large for her since she a
petti 46lb girl. she handles the necks and drum leg fine.
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Too big? Ha! Diesel, my 45lb Border collie mix, got an ENTIRE turkey
plunked in front of him after Thanksgiving last year when they were
all on sale. He doesn't often get handed anything that's smaller than
a 3-4lb chicken. Why? Largely due to the fact that I'm lazy and its
far easier to just pull something out of the packaging and hand it to
him whole rather than trying to mess with cutting it up or figuring
out meal sized portions.

Maggie
Diesel, SDIT

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4b. Re: new to this group
Posted by: "jennifer mcfaden" cadet972@yahoo.com cadet972
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:16 pm ((PDT))

maggie,

diamond is a girl who has to have her turkey, but today she just was not interested. she could have been hot this morring and did not want to eat. I think my husband had been feeding it like a turkey popcicle at lunch time. were I thawed them out for the pack. she loves my raw turkey meat balls I make for her. I take one egg, a 1/4 cup dry oats, and about 2 lbs of turkey. then roll into balls a serve it may not be the best raw diet, but she loves it. I going to try doing it with chicken next.

Jennifer
magolin0328 <maggie.taylor@artlover.com> wrote:
>diamond just lick at it could that been to large for her since she a
petti 46lb girl. she handles the necks and drum leg fine.
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Too big? Ha! Diesel, my 45lb Border collie mix, got an ENTIRE turkey
plunked in front of him after Thanksgiving last year when they were
all on sale. He doesn't often get handed anything that's smaller than
a 3-4lb chicken. Why? Largely due to the fact that I'm lazy and its
far easier to just pull something out of the packaging and hand it to
him whole rather than trying to mess with cutting it up or figuring
out meal sized portions.

Maggie
Diesel, SDIT

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4c. Re: new to this group
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:06 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
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> Turkey wings do not have lots of meat on them. They are bony,
> regardless of how much they weigh.

Actually turkey wings have less bone than whole chicken. 30% for
turkey wings to 31% for whole chickens (broilers or friers).

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4d. Re: new to this group
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:09 pm ((PDT))

carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
> Actually turkey wings have less bone than whole chicken. 30% for
> turkey wings to 31% for whole chickens (broilers or friers).
*****
Bill, for someone who sets no store in numbers, you sure to like to
throw them around.

Thanks. I'll stick with turkey wings being too bony.
Chris O

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4e. Re: new to this group
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:10 pm ((PDT))

Actually according to the USDA site they don't! Turkey roaster wings
contain 37% bone...remove the skin and it's 56%.

Regardless, both are too high in bone content...of course that's assuming
one is concerned about natural prey!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "carnesbill" <carnesw@bellsouth.net>

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
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> Turkey wings do not have lots of meat on them. They are bony,
> regardless of how much they weigh.

Actually turkey wings have less bone than whole chicken. 30% for
turkey wings to 31% for whole chickens (broilers or friers).

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5a. Re: calcium/phosphorous ration
Posted by: "Shannon Hully" summerwolf@theherbalhotline.com bluehankw
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:19 pm ((PDT))

> The cat, she is a little more stubborn and we are still transitioning
> her. She took to lamb almost immediately, then threw it up, so we are
> sticking to chichen mixed with her favorite wet food.

*** Isn't switching cats fun? *tongue firmly in cheek* Our two
youngest took some convincing but from all the stories I'm hearing I
think we still got off very lightly with them. That said, the picky
one of the two seems to feel that turkey, pork, and venison are
nature's gift to cats. ;-) Dunno if they're smellier or stronger
tasting or what but they get very excited on the rare occasion I give
them some. Might be meats to try with the more stubborn kitties. One
loves beef and can stomach it (actually he can stomach anything) but
the other one took a long time to convince to eat it. ...and it wasn't
worth it because he vomits it all up every single time. Ah well, live
and learn.

Good luck with the cats, it really is worth it. It's incredibly
satisfying to listen to an animal that was tough to switch happily
crunching down on their meat and bones!

I must admit that my picky cat would refuse to eat the same meat two
meals in a row. Not really a problem but something to think about if
your cat is being picky. I switched them fully to whole prey because
my picky cat refused to eat *any* bones except one chicken neck a
month, if I was lucky. However, having found out the truth about what
I was feeding before (ki**le), I absolutely refuse to ever have another
animal in my care eating it. (I told my hubby if he ever decided he
couldn't stomach this way of feeding and said we had to switch back I'd
give the animals to someone else and never have another.) Oddly as
soon as I gave him a mouse (the cat, not the hubby!) he crunched right
down and hasn't looked back since! They now get guinea pigs (my hubby
can't watch that one, hehe), rats, chicks, and quail chicks.

Shannon H.

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5b. Re: calcium/phosphorous ration
Posted by: "Jennifer" cadet972@yahoo.com cadet972
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:02 pm ((PDT))

sharron,

Oddly as
> soon as I gave him a mouse (the cat, not the hubby!) he crunched
right
> down and hasn't looked back since! They now get guinea pigs (my
hubby
> can't watch that one, hehe), rats, chicks, and quail chicks.

I will have to try this once I have the huskies on a full raw diet. I
have five pet cats they are on high grade kibble right now though my
oriantel mix and talkanise mix like to lick the dogs turkey bone when I
fix the huskies dinners and snowflake the talkaness has ate some of the
raw turkey a few times.

Jennifer

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5c. Re: calcium/phosphorous ration
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:06 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "swilken61" <powrfemme@...> wrote:
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> Hello All,
>
> I'd like some advice on the calcium/phosphorous ratio. If I am
> feeding meat and bones do I need to worry.

There is no need to worry about any ratios as long as you are
feeding a vareity of animal parts from a variety of animsls. Do you
worry about the calcium/phosohorous ratio in your own diet? I doubt
it. If you don't, there is no need to worry about it in your dog's
diet.

> The more I read through this post,
> I'm thinking I need advice on fine tuning also.

Drop ALL the supplements and add more protein sources to the
variety. Along with the turkey and rabbit; pork, beef and fish would
be great additions. Feed the eggs raw. With all the supplements
are are taking a very simple task(feeding dogs) and turning it into
a very complex operation.

> I keep the chunks bigger than bite size so they
> will realy have to chew them,

Don't think of chewing in human terms. Humans chew their food into
a mush before they swallow. Dogs only pull meat off the carcass and
crush bones with their teeth and swallow. They can swallow some
comparatively large pieces without problems.

> If I feed a
> chicken leg or a breast, can I assume the
> calcium/phosphorus ration is okay?

The calcium/phosphorus ratio is an arbitrary number. Don't worry
about it.

> The cat, she is a little more stubborn and we are
> still transitioning
> her. She took to lamb almost immediately, then threw it up, so
> we are
> sticking to chichen mixed with her favorite wet food. She
> does still
> get some dry food, I have a sabatuer in the house who
> isn't totally
> convinced.

You are going to have to straighten out the sabateur and explain to
her that she is not doing the cat a favor.

> My concern is that since she doesn't eat much bone
> just yet, is she getting enough calcium and when should I really
> worry about that?

I'm sure there is calcium in the junk food she is getting so don't
worry about it. When the junk food is eliminated, I'm pretty sure
she will eat bone.

> If I eventually get her to eat chicken
> necks, how much will be the right amount for her calcium?

You are still much too concerned about correct amount of things.
There is no correct amount of calcium.

> I've read some posts saying that
> chicken necks alone are too bony.

If all she eats are chicken necks then MAYBE the calcium may be a
little high but I wouldn't stress over it. Feed a variety and
everything will take care of itself.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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6a. Anal Blows
Posted by: "Amy" ladybaker2005@yahoo.com ladybaker2005
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:29 pm ((PDT))

Hi everyone! I am so glad to find this site! I have 3 Italian
Greyhounds who are under 20 pounds. I started the BARF diet a few
days ago with raw chicken wings and a few organs. My one LOVES this
diet-but she is a gulper. I have noticed today that her anal
blew...which I've had in the past with kibble (They've been eating
hard food for 5 years...shame on me..)Their anals have a tendancy to
blow.
I am wondering if its due to the kibble and BARF working its way out
(detox)? I know that a few days ago my dad took her for the day and
probably fed her 'crap'...so perhaps that's another reason.
***I am assuming there's less blows with the BARF diet?

I am in the middle of moving from LV to WIS...I am trying to keep
going with this diet. ***Of course I am nervous about portions and so
forth--but I am determined to keep going....against my family's
blessing of course! (LOL) My hubby is not aware of my intentions--but
I am in charge of the kids and 'fur babies'.
*** Anyone else have small dogs that they can give me ideals as to
menu portions?
***Am I to mix raw pulped veggies?

Thanks again for any advice or words of encouragment!
Amy
Mother to Molly,Ginger & Lily.

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6b. Re: Anal Blows
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:43 pm ((PDT))

What does this mean, exactly, that her "anal blew?" Sorry if I'm
dense. Full anal glands/carpet scooting? Liquid, squirty poops?

Wings are probably too small for your dogs, especially if they tend
to gulp. If you feed bigger parts, they will have to work at them,
they'll have a better sense of what they're eating, and they'll break
them down into more natural bites.

Start w/2-3% of ideal weight for a feeding amount and adjust up or
down as needed, based on weight, activity level, etc. I have a 20
lb. Boston and he gets an average of about 1/2# to 3/4# per day.

You don't need veggies. Just a lot of meat, some bone, and a little
organs. Think whole prey animals.

Have you read any of the past messages on the list? There's an
amazing amount of info there.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Amy" <ladybaker2005@...> wrote:
I have noticed today that her anal
> blew...which I've had in the past with kibble (They've been eating
> hard food for 5 years...shame on me..)Their anals have a tendancy
to
> blow.

> *** Anyone else have small dogs that they can give me ideals as to
> menu portions?
> ***Am I to mix raw pulped veggies?

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6c. Re: Anal Blows
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:30 pm ((PDT))

Hi Amy,

I don't know what you mean by anal blows, but if you are just beginning this
diet and have a gulper, you need to start out slowly with larger portions,
more meat and no organs unless they happen to be attached to a chicken part!
And no goodies from Dad!! Haha!!!!

So no veggies, more meat and no organs for now....maybe try a thigh or
chicken breast? You want to feed approximately 3% of ideal adult weight per
day.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Amy" <ladybaker2005@yahoo.com>

Hi everyone! I am so glad to find this site! I have 3 Italian
Greyhounds who are under 20 pounds. I started the BARF diet a few
days ago with raw chicken wings and a few organs. My one LOVES this
diet-but she is a gulper. I have noticed today that her anal
blew...which I've had in the past with kibble (They've been eating
hard food for 5 years...shame on me..)Their anals have a tendancy to
blow.
I am wondering if its due to the kibble and BARF working its way out
(detox)? I know that a few days ago my dad took her for the day and
probably fed her 'crap'...so perhaps that's another reason.
***I am assuming there's less blows with the BARF diet?

I am in the middle of moving from LV to WIS...I am trying to keep
going with this diet. ***Of course I am nervous about portions and so
forth--but I am determined to keep going....against my family's
blessing of course! (LOL) My hubby is not aware of my intentions--but
I am in charge of the kids and 'fur babies'.
*** Anyone else have small dogs that they can give me ideals as to
menu portions?
***Am I to mix raw pulped veggies?

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7a. Re: Tripe 1st time
Posted by: "Bordomom@verizon.net" Bordomom@verizon.net redmaskboy
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:51 pm ((PDT))

Chris, how right you are!I just ordered another 30lbs.

Wendy

Five pounds of green tripe for a 120lb dog will not last very long!
If you need it to last longer, feed it as a side dish. If you can
readily get more, feed it more generously.
Chris O

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8.1. Feeding Fish
Posted by: "vadaski16" vadaski16@yahoo.com vadaski16
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:52 pm ((PDT))

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do you guys feed fish whole? i tried giving my dog fish yesterday and
he sniffed it and licked it but he didn't know how to eat it. i tried
feeding it to him by hand but then he kinda choked on a bone so i
stopped.

i still want him to eat salmon though. any suggestions?

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8.2. Re: Feeding Fish
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:25 pm ((PDT))

"vadaski16" <vadaski16@...> wrote:
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> ***MODERATOR'S NOTE: SIGN YOUR MESSAGES!***
>
>
>
> do you guys feed fish whole?
*****
Yes, whenever possible, but not exclusively.

i tried giving my dog fish yesterday and
> he sniffed it and licked it but he didn't know how to eat it.
*****
This is not an unusual response to new food, new textures, new
smells. He probably didn't know how to eat it, you're right.

i tried
> feeding it to him by hand but then he kinda choked on a bone so i
> stopped.
*****
Kinda choked on a bone how? That doesn't tell me much, alas.
Perhaps neither of you are quite ready for fish! What were you hand
feeding? Small cut up bits, or larger hunks?

> i still want him to eat salmon though. any suggestions?
*****
Patience, for one.
You might try a piece of filet for taste, smell and texture, then
gradually introduce skin and bone-in flesh. My retrievers ate salmon
heads right away, but whole fish--salmon or otherwise--continues to
be pretty close to the bottom of their "must have" list.

Chris O

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9a. Re: introducing organs
Posted by: "antarpremal" antarpremal@yahoo.com antarpremal
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:41 pm ((PDT))

Hi Giselle.

Just wanted to thank you for the reply. I appreciate all of the info that I am able to gather
here. You all are great to give of your time and knowledge!

All the best,
Jennifer

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Jennifer!
> Sounds like you all are doing well!
> It doesn't hurt to thaw and refreeze meat for dogs. It changes the
> flavor for people, dogs don't care. And meat thats a 'little old'
> won't hurt your dog. Their digestion is different from ours.
>
> Once or twice a week for different kinds of organs sounds good to me.
> Thats what I do. A little more or less often isn't critical.
>
> Partially thaw the heart and cut into portion sized pieces. Slide into
> plastic freezer bags and refreeze everything but what you're going to
> feed in a couple days. You can feed as a boneless meal, or feed with a
> mostly bony bone - like whole pork neck bones.
>
> When I buy, I buy enough for a couple months. So, while I'm packaging
> everything for the freezer, I put meatymeat with bonierbones to make a
> meal in the same bag. Or, I just put enough of something for a meal in
> one bag, and mix/match later.
>
> My market will cut any meat to order - ask yours to cut the heart in
> meal sized pieces next time you buy it. Ask them not to trim off the
> cap fat and other stuff, its all good for the dog.
>
> You could try searing the liver or kidney in a very hot pan to entice
> Sasha to eat it.
>
> I still shop at that rural market I'd mentioned before - no co-ops
> near me that I could find, and online stuff is too spendy. I live in a
> county that is a tourist destination and is rapidly becoming a
> 'bedroom community' for Atlantic City casino workers. So, land is
> being bought up and built on for housing and businesses and small
> farmers are becoming a thing of the past. And prices are rising all
> the time.
>
> I don't feed much fish. Even tho' I'm close to the fishing
> communities, fish is expensive here. There are sites where you can go
> to check what fishes and seafood are good to eat/feed. This is one I
> can remember the url to;
> http://www.oceansalive.org/eat.cfm?subnav=bestandworst&link=hp
> Maybe someone else can post the links to others.
>
> TC, Jennifer, so glad to hear how you're doing!
> Giselle
> with Bea in Cape May County
>
>
>
>
> > Hi Everyone!
> > This is Jennifer (and Sasha). Who is now 5 months old (Golden
> mix) I started her on
> > raw with the help of this list a couple of months ago. So far she is
> doing very well. I have
> > been giving chicken and beef liver for a while but now started to
> introduce veal kidney
> > since I was able to find it. Also have some heart but haven't tried
> that yet.
> >
> > So far I fed a bit of kidney cut up and put into some ground
> buffalo. She would not
> > touch it on it's own. (I have to give her the liver frozen as treats
> as she also does not like
> > the texture.) She seemed fine with it.
> >
> > So now what? It was frozen and I defrosted it to cut it and
> refroze the rest. Is this a
> > bad idea for dogs as it is for people? How often should I give small
> amounts, and I have no
> > idea what to do with those two big frozen hearts in my freezer!
> >
> > A note to Giselle.
> >
> > I am also in New Jersey and looking for purveyors. Right now I
> am still shopping mostly
> > in the supermarkets. I'd love find someone that supplies more
> natural stuff.....cage free
> > etc, and wild game. I was able to find elk at the store but horribly
> expensive.
> >
> > And what about fish. These days I am very uncertain of the safety
> of eating fish myself
> > and feeding it to my son who is 2. I try to stick to whatever is
> small. Other than wild
> > salmon any recommendations out there? We mostly eat Tilapia these
> days but still it is farm
> > raised and I don't know if that is good or not.
> >
> > Thanks so much!
> > Jennifer
> >
>

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10a. Re: Raw Feeding in OZ (was: offal variety - how necessary?)
Posted by: "zest_741" zest_741@yahoo.com.au zest_741
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:05 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Lindsay Dorian"
<iamentropygirl@...> wrote:
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> Hi Kerry,
>
> I am another OZ raw feeding and I also wish it was easier to find
variety (
> I am north of Cairns)
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> Do you also have trouble finding meat at reasonable prices?> Lindsay
>
Hi!
So good to hear from other Australians on the list! I'm managing to
find good variety in RMB's and meat, but it has taken a few months to
find the sources and build the relationships. My local organic butcher
now saves me any trim he isn't turning into sausages, for free, and
then I buy meaty duck and chicken carcasses from him, not so cheap but
good quality and balanced out by the freebies.
I have set myself an average limit of Aust$3.50-$4.00 per kilo, mostly
because I don't have the freezer space yet to buy in bulk and save
that way.
I have found good deals at that price or lower on lamb necks and
sides, tongue, heart, kangaroo, veal, whole chickens and pork mostly
by shopping around. Many of the butchers and wholesalers do seem to
think I'm mad, but I'm starting to sort out the helpful from the rest.
I don't really mind paying more if it's worth it but I need some self-
imposed discipline or I'd spend a fortune on the dogs quite blindly.
Kerry
ps has anyone found a source of green tripe in Oz?

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11a. not eating
Posted by: "Katie" kcrockett@mac.com kcrockettla7
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:11 pm ((PDT))

How many days do you guys go with a dog not eating before you start to worry??

I switched my dgos to raw anout 5 weeks ago, and they have all been very enthusiastic
about it.

Sunday, Clancy (my golden) refused treats at work (I am a dog trainer and use him as my
demo dog) - he would take them from me, but just drop them on the ground. Then he
refused dinner that night. I didn't worry ,as he usually has a healthy appetite.
Last night he nibbled a piece of chicken, but didn't really consume more than several
bites. Tonight he licked his chicken a little, but didn't eat.

My 12 year old schipperke refused dinner alst night and again tonight.

Tonka, my other golden, ate his dinner AND clancy's last night . . . . he refused dinner
tonight, but I'm guessing it's becuase he ate twice his normal amount tonight!!

Murphy (border collie/aussie mix) has eaten his dinner every night, as has Mister, the
schip I am fostering. I dont' know if it's related, but Murphy and Mister eat in their crates,
whereas Tonka, Clancy, and Tara eat loose.

The only other change in my hosue is I have 3 foster goldens in HW treatment - 2 are
eating k*bble and one is eating canned food (I don't have a choice in what they eat at this
point) . . . I've had these guys since last Thursday . . . but none of my guys had any eating
issues until this week . . . and no one seems particularly interested in the food the foster
goldens get in their crates.

SHould I be worrying about Clancy at this point?

...katie

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12. ibs update
Posted by: "lhmcmaken" lhmcmaken@yahoo.com lhmcmaken
Date: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:55 pm ((PDT))

with the support of this group i went raw with my two old danes on
friday. today is tuesday and their poops are still hard/soft and
firm/small. but not going during the night and that is huge
improvement. I am feeding wal mart chicken breast and leg quarters
and wondered if the 10% bone was met best in some combination?? i got
a tub of chicken liver and tossed some into the bowl tonight. both
are eating well. i let them eat is separate areas so they do not
complete and eat too quick. that is working. am understanding that
one meat a week and then another for a week?? and figured to try pork
next. walmart has shoulder for 108 a pound and I wondered if that was
a richer meat? so thanks. this is a great group. I will keep you
updated on poops, general health and if it helps his nerves. he also
has a wobbly rear end and is there any chance this raw food will help?
thanks for taking time to help me.
take care,
lynda

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