[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11872

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Messy Faces from Food
From: verrelli
1b. Re: Messy Faces from Food
From: Cynthia Brown
1c. Re: Messy Faces from Food
From: Cristina Castaldi

2a. Re: dog on diet seems starved
From: verrelli
2b. Re: dog on diet seems starved
From: cmhausrath
2c. Re: dog on diet seems starved
From: costrowski75
2d. Re: dog on diet seems starved
From: costrowski75
2e. Re: dog on diet seems starved
From: cmhausrath

3a. Re: What meats to buy at Winco
From: Cynthia Brown

4a. Re: where to feed (was Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the fe
From: Cynthia Brown

5a. Re: May be dumb math question but...
From: cmhausrath

6a. Re: Las Vegas Suppliers and Fish question
From: natgs

7a. Re: Anal Blows-definition
From: costrowski75

8a. not ripping or tearing the meat- a problem?
From: costrowski75

9a. Re: chicken skin and oil
From: costrowski75

10a. Re: ]Re: Help! Diarrhea! Answers to your Questions
From: Yasuko herron

11a. Breeding Bitches on Raw
From: Boxer Lover
11b. Re: Breeding Bitches on Raw
From: Sandee Lee
11c. Re: Breeding Bitches on Raw
From: Laura Atkinson

12. red vs white vs ground vs whole
From: lhmcmaken

13a. mucose in stool
From: swilken61
13b. Re: mucose in stool
From: Sonja

14a. all these problems
From: blacty
14b. Re: all these problems
From: Sandee Lee

15. Effect of Raw Food Eating on Canine Cataracts?
From: Cynthia Brown

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1a. Re: Messy Faces from Food
Posted by: "verrelli" ktverrelli@bellsouth.net verrelli
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 6:18 am ((PDT))

Carol
great idea - mostly I think you just have to sorta brush the beards
after wards (or at least once a day - I am thinking of spraying it
with some sorta detailer and maybe hydroproxide? something to sorta
disinfect) I also give her a reward for the handling so she doesn't
hate it- I use maybe a smaller chunk of steak or beef heart - so far
she has been tolerant of it.

Kellie
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <onejoyfulmoose@...> wrote:
>
> I use baby wipes to clean the dogs fur if need be after their meals.
> It has cut any grease and makes them smell good at the same time.
> Carol, Moose & Joy
>

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1b. Re: Messy Faces from Food
Posted by: "Cynthia Brown" temecula_lady@yahoo.com temecula_lady
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 6:31 am ((PDT))

Carol, this is a great idea! Thanks for sharing. Now I can quit washing so many towels -- all used to wipe down the dogs.

Cynthia ... Duffy, Sophie, Tinkerbell
Temecula, CA

Carol <onejoyfulmoose@yahoo.com> wrote:
I use baby wipes to clean the dogs fur if need be after their meals.
It has cut any grease and makes them smell good at the same time.
Carol, Moose & Joy

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1c. Re: Messy Faces from Food
Posted by: "Cristina Castaldi" cristinacastaldi@hotmail.com cristinacastaldi
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 6:46 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" <onejoyfulmoose@...> wrote:
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> I use baby wipes to clean the dogs fur if need be after their meals.
> It has cut any grease and makes them smell good at the same time.
> Carol, Moose & Joy
>
I have a Cairn and just pick him up about once a week and wash his
beard with Dr. Bronner's Castille liquid soap. Otherwise, he gets
brushed everyday. I figure the water he laps up each day does some
help in getting the food washed off.

I personally wouldn't use anything with alcohol and chemicals in it
that he could lick off.

My dog's beard is black, though, so that helps hide alot.
Cristina

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2a. Re: dog on diet seems starved
Posted by: "verrelli" ktverrelli@bellsouth.net verrelli
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 6:18 am ((PDT))

Thanks Chris
but I am confused I can't feed more - they are chunky
as for feeding once a day - I don't know if that will work
as I have others I feed twice a day - can't make the 12 year old
eat once a day, nor the one who gets fed ever 4 hours. I am thinking
I might try freezing some of their food to make it last a bit longer?

maybe I am just not understanding?

thanks
Kellie

> You do not need to feed vegetable filler. That would counterproductive
> in building a bunch of strong healthy dogs. You can feed bigger food
> less frequently; you can feed more complicated food that takes longer
> to get through. For the small dogs, my recommendation would to be
> increase the complication factor of their meals. While a dose of five
> ounces of food doesn't take long to process, eating five ounces off a
> laerger hunk of pork or chicken or whatever can take an amount of time
> that while perhaps not VERY long would be long enough for the stomach
> and brain to realize the body's been fed.
>
> Also. If they are eating an appropriate amount of food, if they are
> looking and acting good, if they have healthy looking skin and coat and
> eyes, then you are most likely feeding them enough and what you need to
> do is not get sucked into their little dining dramas.
>
> My guess is if you work to complicate their meals they will feel full
> and cut you some slack.

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2b. Re: dog on diet seems starved
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 7:13 am ((PDT))

"verrelli" <ktverrelli@...> wrote:

> but I am confused I can't feed more - they are chunky

I think Chris O just meant to feed more *complicated* food, not
necessarily more food. (I just wrote another post about alternating
big meals with small meals / no food -- that may be helpful to you as
well.) So if they're eating only 4 - 8 ounces (sorry, I've forgotten
the numbers), it's much more work to get those 4 - 8 ounces off a whole
chicken than it is to gulp down cut-up bits. Then you just pick up the
remaining chicken (when YOU decide they've had enough), put it back in
the fridge, and offer it again at the next meal.

> as for feeding once a day - I don't know if that will work
> as I have others I feed twice a day - can't make the 12 year old
> eat once a day, nor the one who gets fed ever 4 hours.

No, indeed. The special needs guys must be humored. (My boy is
something like 13, and he usually gets 2 meals a day as well, so I know
where you're coming from!)

BUT, just because SOMEONE's getting fed twice a day doesn't mean that
EVERYONE needs to be fed twice a day. Never forget that you're the
human. You're the one with the useful opposable thumbs, the one who
opens the fridge, doles out the meals, and invites everyone in to eat.
If you decide that the plump pups only get fed once a day and the old
farts get fed more often, then hey: that's your decision, and they're
going to have to live with it.

> I am thinking
> I might try freezing some of their food to make it last a bit longer?

This too works for a lot of people, so it's certainly worth a try.

Just remember that not all meals need to look the same. Sometimes
a "meal" -- even for my oldster, who gets nibbles twice a day -- is
nothing more than a single egg, or a palm-sized bit of beef heart.
Sometimes it's a couple pounds of pork roast. It all balances out,
over time, to keep him at a nice weight. It also makes mealtime
simpler: there's no need to weigh individual meals, because you simply
decide how much the dog needs based on how he looks. A little rotund:
feed an itty bitty meal. Nicely tucked-in waist: a heftier meal. As
Chris O says, easy peasy.

-- sandy & griffin (looking quite nicely tucked-in, thank you)

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2c. Re: dog on diet seems starved
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 8:49 am ((PDT))

"verrelli" <ktverrelli@...> wrote:
> but I am confused I can't feed more - they are chunky
*****
Well no, feeding more without changing the meal schedule is not going
to help chunky monkeys, that's true.

> as for feeding once a day - I don't know if that will work
> as I have others I feed twice a day - can't make the 12 year old
> eat once a day, nor the one who gets fed ever 4 hours.
*****
I feed my adult dogs less often than I feed my pup or my cat and
everyone gets along fine. While I can understand that multiple meal
schedules may drive you nuts, it will not drive your dogs nuts if you
just do it and don't apologize. If you cannot fit multiple feeding
schedules into your plan, then perhaps what remains is for you feed
the chunky ones appropriate amounts of appropriate food and tell them
to get a grip. If you know they're not going to starve, that's all
that matters.

I am thinking
> I might try freezing some of their food to make it last a bit
longer?
*****
This may work, yes. Also you might try making their meals floppier,
less compact, less easy to eat. Or maybe do both, although that
would probably take some advance planning.

Chris O

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2d. Re: dog on diet seems starved
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 9:09 am ((PDT))

"cmhausrath" <cmhausrath@...> wrote:
As
> Chris O says, easy peasy.
*****
Actually, ListGoddess Jane said it first. I just beat it to death.
Chris O

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2e. Re: dog on diet seems starved
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 9:41 am ((PDT))

"costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:

> "cmhausrath" <cmhausrath@> wrote:
> As
> > Chris O says, easy peasy.
> *****
> Actually, ListGoddess Jane said it first. I just beat it to death.

Yes, well, some things need beating to death. "Know thy dog" being
one; "keep it simple, stupid" (or the nicer "easy peasy") is
certainly another.

I don't know what this human compulsion -- to make easy things
complex & difficult -- is all about, but boy do I catch myself at it
all the time. For some reason, it's particularly tempting for newbie
rawfeeders (and egads, sometimes even the not-so-new).

When really, ain't much that's simpler.

-- sandy & griffin

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3a. Re: What meats to buy at Winco
Posted by: "Cynthia Brown" temecula_lady@yahoo.com temecula_lady
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 6:58 am ((PDT))

Thanks for the recommendations.

This is ALL new to me -- so your recommendations are just so incredibly helpful. I'm still at the "What -- you mean to tell me that they can eat THAT??? stage"!!!

Cynthia ... Duffy, Sophie, Tinkerbell
Temecula, CA

Laura Atkinson <llatkinson@gmail.com> wrote:
Couple of things to keep an eye open for at Winco.

1. Chicken quarters...if you catch 'em the day before their "sale by"
date you can get them for $2.70 a bag. Otherwise they're still only
about $3.60 a bag.

2. They have a pork bbq brisket. Some bone...lots of yummy meat, for
around 89 cents a lb. It says Pork BBQ on the label. They don't
always have a lot of it out, so if you find some, grab it.

I've got some older girls with nubs for teeth...she can get through
darn near any bone that the toothed dogs can eat...it just takes her
longer :-)

> Thanks for the portion recommendations and I will be trotting off to Winco tomorrow.
>

--
Laura A
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4a. Re: where to feed (was Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the fe
Posted by: "Cynthia Brown" temecula_lady@yahoo.com temecula_lady
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 7:00 am ((PDT))

Lynda,

That is just TOO cute. You have well-trained your babies!!!

Cynthia ... Duffy, Sophie, Tinkerbell
Temecula, CA

Shannon Hully <summerwolf@theherbalhotline.com> wrote:
> I've even taught my 3 cats to eat on their own pieces of vinyl
> tablecloth--and it's the first thing they've ever accepted being
taught! One day recently
> I dropped a piece of rabbit for all 3 of them, thinking maybe they'd
chow
> down on it together and start on the way to not having to be fed in
3 separate
> rooms, since they are 4 months into rawfeeding. Wrong! Everybody
tore off a
> piece and ran to his/her own tablecloth!
>
> Lynda

You might try gradually moving their tableclothes closer and closer
together if you want them eventually all in the same room. Nice thing
about them fixating on a specific (moveable) thing to eat on rather
than a specific square of floor or furniture! :-D

Shannon H.

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5a. Re: May be dumb math question but...
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 7:03 am ((PDT))

Ivette Casiano <ivettecasiano@...> wrote:

> I have never given our dog all he can eat because he would never
> stop.... Now that he's a healthy weight eating 2% of his weight in
> raw, I'm afraid to give him more than that per day for fear of his
> eating out of control and getting obese again. He'll eat just about
> anything.

Well, he can't eat what you don't give him, or what you don't make
available to him. (Food, at least -- if he's eating non-food, that's a
different issue.) My dog is darned clever -- he's a lot of work to
keep up with! -- but he still hasn't learned how to open the fridge,
open the containers where I keep his food, and help himself. So
whether your dog WANTS to eat ceaselessly or not, what he DOES eat is
up to you.

Many dogs have benefited from being allowed to eat truly large meals
very infrequently. The daily average consumed might still be 2% of
body weight, but it's not evenly distributed between a lot of regular-
sized meals. For example, when I used to feed Griffin (60# dog, eats
about 1.5# a day) in a more gorge-fast manner, he would eat something
like:

Sun 4# chicken
Mon nothing
Tue an egg, and / or a piece of liver
Wed a beef kidney
Thu 5# pork shoulder
Fri nothing
Sat one or two small fish

So it was still about 10-11# a week, but he would often get to eat
meals that were so big as to be truly satisfying. I doubt you want to
leap immediately into that, but you might want to try making one or two
meals a week bigger, while shrinking the rest. Eventually you may find
that you're feeding a couple ginormous meals, and most days he doesn't
eat (or barely eats). Many dogs seem to find this more satisfying, and
obsess less about food when fed this way.

-- sandy & griffin

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6a. Re: Las Vegas Suppliers and Fish question
Posted by: "natgs" natgs@yahoo.com natgs
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 7:29 am ((PDT))

Dear Stephanie,

I feed talapia to my dog about once a week and he loves it. I don't
take out any bones, but I do get rid of the spinal fins, because they
feel extremely sharp. Perhaps this is unnecessary, but I don't see how
they can add any value to his died. So I get rid of them to add to my
own comfort.

Natalya

I feed
>
> On another note; I have a question about feeding Talapia. Has
anyone fed this fish and are the bones of this fish okay to feed?
>
> Stephanie Melton
>

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7a. Re: Anal Blows-definition
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 8:09 am ((PDT))

Ivette Casiano <ivettecasiano@...> wrote:
> So what was the diagnosis for your 8 yr. Lab? Did he have an
immune problem as you suggested?
*****
Well, I am quite sure Scooter's immune system is challenged to some
degree if only because he had his full share of vaccinations and
chemicals--and inappropriate food-like substances--when he was
young. So that goes without saying.

I doubt an allopathic doctor would recognize an impacted anal gland
as an immune system issue. And I'm pretty sure a homeopath would.
Probably most telling is how bad the wound is, how quickly heals, how
often it recurs, and what other expulsions accompany or follow it.
Scooter's anal gland issue was followed promptly by a hot spot and
then a goopy eye. Says to me something's fussing him.

Anyway, he's better now. Thanks for asking and we both best not
pursue this topic here lest a moderator kick our butts.
Chris O

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8a. not ripping or tearing the meat- a problem?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 8:14 am ((PDT))

"ivettecasiano" <ivettecasiano@...> wrote:
the uneducated are difficult...
> Ivette
*****
Opportunities! They're opportunities.

The more you learn in order to educate your BF, the more you learn for
yourself. Win-win situation.
Chris O

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9a. Re: chicken skin and oil
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 8:33 am ((PDT))

"doreenchui" <doreenchui@...> wrote:
>
> Is it true that chicken skin and the oil is good for their skin and
> coat?
*****
Sort of.
Fat is essential for healthy skin and coat. Animal fat more so than
plant fat. So while chicken fat in and of itself has no special
magical properties (except in cooking human food) it's useful in a
good raw diet--as are other animal fats.

Chicken skin is the same situation. It's part of the chicken, it's
good for the dog. The hides of other animals are equally valuable.

The fat and skin of factory chickens (any chicken, actually, that
doesn't get good, species appropriate grass and seeds and bugs and
worms and other meat proteins) will be high in Omega 6 fatty acids
because the diet is heavily or exclusively grain and other plant
material. Omega 6 is needed for healthy skin and coat. So again,
there's truth to your statement.

However, any animal that's raised on grain will have high Omega 6
levels. And pastured/grassfed livestock or wild game will offer not
only appropriate levels of Omega 3 but also healthy levels of Omega
6. Chicken doesn't have a lock on healthy skin and coat!

In the dogfood industy, chicken is almost certainly the primary
animal protein, so it makes sense that chicken would be promoted as
being especially useful for skin and coat.
Chris O

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10a. Re: ]Re: Help! Diarrhea! Answers to your Questions
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:14 am ((PDT))

>Parasite is possible, but again, unlikely. He hasn't had any strange water in the last few >weeks, nor is he a grass-eater.

Hi. I came across old thread when reading posting and I remember that eating grass topic was discussed here before and,most who posted to that topic seemed to think it is ok behavior and no problem eating it. I too was thinking ok to graze grass if palette wanted to and let her eat it when I take her to back yard.

Now,I read this thread and like to ask why eating grass relate to parasite problems?

Usually,I take palette out to backyard early morning around 6:30-7am because it is coolest time of the day and,she sniff around,roll around,eat grasses if she wanted to,andafter she relax some times,I play fetch,and we back home for breakfast.

we don't pesticide our lawn at backyard and,I did not think it was hurmful but anyone can post why she relate /suspecting the eating grass to parasite preoblem?

Thank you

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11a. Breeding Bitches on Raw
Posted by: "Boxer Lover" boxer.love@yahoo.com boxer.love
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:14 am ((PDT))

Has anyone ever heard of a service called "Whelp Wise"? I contacted the founder yesterday evening to get some information and inquire of their assistance for a breeding I am planning in a couple of months. They explained how extensive their assistance is and the background on each "case" they keep in their records. One of the aspects they take seriously is the nutrition of the Bitch. She asked what type of "Kibble" I was feeding. When I replied, "I don't feed kibble, I feed raw", she explained how their statistics showed the majority of unsuccessful cases where Bitches fed raw.

To give a bit of background this Bitch has been bred once over a year ago (when she was on a so-called high quality kibble). She aborted the litter 5 days early with no signs of prior stress. I was refereed to the Whelp Wise service because they could monitor her contractions, so something could be done should she have early contractions again.

The fact that this Bitch was on kibble for the initial loss, doesn't help her findings, but is there something different or something I should be adding to her diet to assist her? ie. Codd Liver Oil, some type of Vitamin D or A supplement, an Omega capsule?

My reasoning for switching to raw was because I believed it would make my dogs healthier. I did a great deal of reading and talking to others on raw before switching my dogs. I found numerous writings that stated a raw diet would strengthen a Bitch's Uterus, ensure she carries a litter to term and even provides for maximum eggs to be released. Is this not true?

Stephanie

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11b. Re: Breeding Bitches on Raw
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:43 am ((PDT))

Stephanie,

If you stick with a prey model diet, that's the best you can do. No cod
liver oil, vitamins A&D, calcium supplements, etc.

We have discussed this on this list several times and also from discussions
on other lists, the problems stem from appropriate raw diets, i.e.
Billinghurst type with too much bone, not enough meat, mainly chicken and a
bunch of other inappropriate ingredients and supplements.

Nature knows best....stick with it!! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Boxer Lover" <boxer.love@yahoo.com>

> Has anyone ever heard of a service called "Whelp Wise"? I contacted the
founder yesterday evening to get some information and inquire of their
assistance for a breeding I am planning in a couple of months. They
explained how extensive their assistance is and the background on each
"case" they keep in their records. One of the aspects they take seriously
is the nutrition of the Bitch. She asked what type of "Kibble" I was
feeding. When I replied, "I don't feed kibble, I feed raw", she explained
how their statistics showed the majority of unsuccessful cases where Bitches
fed raw.

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11c. Re: Breeding Bitches on Raw
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:43 am ((PDT))

Well, there are a number of things going on here.

1. Whelp Wise is, according to some experienced folks I know, pretty
much useless. There's no way to monitor each individual puppy.

2. If you feed prey model, backing off on the bone during the last
couple of weeks, you'll do just fine. Uterine inertia results if too
much calcium is being fed.

Raw feeding is no magic bullet for gestational/whelping issues. What
you will have is a healthier bitch...but no guarantees for all of
those other issues she had during her first pregnancy.

--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com

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12. red vs white vs ground vs whole
Posted by: "lhmcmaken" lhmcmaken@yahoo.com lhmcmaken
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:14 am ((PDT))

greetings all. I did not find this in old posts. so what is the best
ratio of chicken to beef to pork to fish for dogs? and is there any
organ meat besides liver that is a must do? and is ground meat
acceptable? my danes are into day 6 now and the bitch is stable with
her poop and has nice weight now. he is still thin but eats so
careful that I am letting him eat one quarter. wait and separate him
from her and feed another quarter. seems he is still thinking on it.
thanks.
take care
Lynda
and franklin, 7 1/2 year old harl, and maude, 8 9/12 year old harl
rescue.

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13a. mucose in stool
Posted by: "swilken61" powrfemme@aol.com swilken61
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:14 am ((PDT))

Hello,

This past day my dog had very mucosy stool. I've been doing raw for
about six weeks. Mostly chicken so far and some lamb. This mucosy stool
came after a lamb meal. The stool was lighter in color, I've noticed
this before with lamb. The first time, it seemed encased in mucous, the
second time, less mucose and it seemed mixed in.

Any ideas why this might happen and what adjustment I should make?

thanks,
stephany

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13b. Re: mucose in stool
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:45 am ((PDT))

Lamb is really really rich....when I gave lamb to my dog (waaayyy to early) we got explosive bloody diarrhea. Your pup's digestive tract is probably a bit irritated. You can feed chicken for a day or two to see if the problem clears up, if not, try Slippery Elm. When things get back to normal, you can ease into feeding lamb again. At least you're still getting solid stools!!

Sonja

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14a. all these problems
Posted by: "blacty" Ty@wetlandsod.com blacty
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:30 am ((PDT))

I am getting a little concerned about all these problems I keep seeing
in these posts. I am on the verge of converting to raw when I run out
of the last few feeding of kibble, but at the same time am getting
concerned about all these health problems people are having with their
dogs. Mucose in stool-looks like starving, hair loss, diarraha! How
common is all of this. Am I going to have health problems to work out
in the beginning or are these things just rare??

Ty

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14b. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:44 am ((PDT))

Ty,

These issues really aren't common at all. We only hear of the problems, not
the successes!! :) Much of what you are hearing is either not a problem or
caused by owner error.

You *may* see stool changes but that is normal with any diet change and not
something to be concerned about. Just follow the list's recommendations to
start out slowly with one protein source until your dog has adjusted, then
slowly add in other meats and organs.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "blacty" <Ty@wetlandsod.com>

I am getting a little concerned about all these problems I keep seeing
in these posts. I am on the verge of converting to raw when I run out
of the last few feeding of kibble, but at the same time am getting
concerned about all these health problems people are having with their
dogs. Mucose in stool-looks like starving, hair loss, diarraha! How
common is all of this. Am I going to have health problems to work out
in the beginning or are these things just rare??

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15. Effect of Raw Food Eating on Canine Cataracts?
Posted by: "Cynthia Brown" temecula_lady@yahoo.com temecula_lady
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:44 am ((PDT))

Anyone have experience with cataract improvement since feeding their dogs on the raw food plan?

Thanks!

Cynthia ... Duffy, Sophia (3 yrs old, has had cataracts since she was 4 mos old), Tinkerbell

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