[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11870

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: raw feeding my cat
From: Shannon Parker
1b. Re: raw feeding my cat
From: Casey Post
1c. Re: raw feeding my cat
From: Bumble1994@aol.com
1d. Re: raw feeding my cat
From: Nathalie Poulin

2a. Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the feedback!
From: Laurie Swanson

3a. Re: Las Vegas Suppliers and Fish question
From: Morledzep@aol.com
3b. Re: Las Vegas Suppliers and Fish question
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

4a. Re: Reply to Sonja's ... "eating mat" in the kitchen
From: Cynthia Brown

5a. How to tell if a dog is choking or not
From: chele519
5b. Re: How to tell if a dog is choking or not
From: ginny wilken
5c. Re: How to tell if a dog is choking or not
From: brutus_buckley

6a. Re: New Member from Temecula, California
From: Morledzep@aol.com
6b. Re: Thanks Catherine for the raw food "tough love"!
From: Cynthia Brown
6c. Re: Thanks Catherine for the raw food "tough love"!
From: Laura Atkinson

7a. Re: calcium/phosphorous ratio - cat bones
From: linoleum5017

8a. Re: Gauge
From: linoleum5017

9a. Re: Anal Blows-definition
From: Ivette Casiano

10a. not ripping or tearing the meat- a problem?
From: ivettecasiano
10b. not ripping or tearing the meat- a problem?
From: delcaste
10c. Re: not ripping or tearing the meat- a problem?
From: marblekallie
10d. Re: not ripping or tearing the meat- a problem?
From: magolin0328

11a. Re: May be dumb math question but...
From: Ivette Casiano

12a. Re: where to feed (was Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the fee
From: Nathalie Poulin

13a. Re: Raw Feeding in OZ (was: offal variety - how necessary?)
From: Lindsay Dorian

14. Re: where to feed (was Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the fe
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

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1a. Re: raw feeding my cat
Posted by: "Shannon Parker" mrbatisse@yahoo.ca mrbatisse
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 6:06 pm ((PDT))

Hi Jeni,

Great that all of your animals are on raw! So what have you done so far to get your cat onto raw? What have you fed, in what form, etc?

Shannon

Jeni <jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hello,
My name is Jeni,
I have two Great Danes, siblings, 1 and a half years old, been
rawfeeding them since we brought them home at 11 weeks old, it's been
such a learning experience, they are our first dogs, with the raw diet.
I first tried the Barf diet, then found the prey model diet and was in
heaven and so were they.
We have since acquired my Aunt's Pomchi, when she passed, and she
thinks she is a Rotty, but also have switched her to the raw diet,
with much success.
That is my long little intro of our family, there is also my husband,
John and our cat Lucky, who is living up to his name, lucky we let him
live here.
I have been trying to switch him over to raw with no success, I know
very little about this, and was wondering if there are any books on
the subject matter that someone could refer me too, that would help.??
I don't sit in front of the computer for long lengths of time, so
chats are out of the question, but I am good at printing stuff out and
reading it, so if you have some library stuff I could refer to, I
could do that too. But I couldn't find any when I searched the
Database.
Thanks for the chance to get some info and help for the cat. I know
if I can get him switched, he will be much better off.
Jeni

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1b. Re: raw feeding my cat
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 8:29 pm ((PDT))

Jeni,

Try www.rawfedcats.org . Good stuff.

Be aware of the risk with hepatic lipidosis when switching cats - "tough
love" is NOT recommended.

Casey

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1c. Re: raw feeding my cat
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 9:59 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/1/2007 9:06:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Jeni writes:

I have been trying to switch him over to raw with no success, I know
very little about this, and was wondering if there are any books on
the subject matter

Not really, but you can go to _http://www.rawfedcats.org/practicleguide.htm_

(http://www.rawfedcats.org/practicleguide.htm) and print it out. :) Also,
there's the rawcat yahoo group at _rawcat-subscribe@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:rawcat-subscribe@yahoogroups.com) , You can print out a bunch of threads on that
about transitioning cats...some are hard to convince and take awhile.

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1d. Re: raw feeding my cat
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 10:01 pm ((PDT))

Hey,

I have 2 cats and one of them is on raw (mostly) and
the other one REFUSES to eat ANYTHING other than her
kibble.
Here is a great site that I was referred to, it might
help.
You must have the patience though, to see it through
because while a dog won't die of starvation beside a
bowl of food, a cat will

http://www.rawfedcats.org/

and you can join the rawfeeding sister group, rawcat.
It's really informative.

Nathalie

and our cat Lucky, who is living up to his
> name, lucky we let him
> live here.
> I have been trying to switch him over to raw with no
> success, I know

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2a. Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the feedback!
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 6:06 pm ((PDT))

Wow, you're a strict mom! I give my dog a bit more leeway--
occasionally a piece of meat will stick to his foot and he'll try to
get it off and it will end up a foot away from his towel, or he'll be
trying to manage a goat leg and his towel's not quite big enough for
a lot of maneuvering, so I'll have to put the meat back on the
towel. But I mostly just think he needs a bigger area to eat in for
certain things (I need to get a blanket or something).

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sonja" <ladyver@...> wrote:
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> Our dog learned to stay on her "eating mat" in the kitchen in two
days flat. When she pushed the meat off the mat or carried it
elsewhere, we took it away until the next feeding. Now she makes sure
her food stays on the mat!!
>
> Sonja
>
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3a. Re: Las Vegas Suppliers and Fish question
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 6:15 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/1/2007 11:32:32 AM Pacific Standard Time,
boxer.love@yahoo.com writes:

On another note; I have a question about feeding Talapia. Yesterday was the
first time I tried feeding this fish. I have to admit, I took the bones out.
The bones felt very sharp!!! Especially right behind the gills. Has anyone
fed this fish and are the bones of this fish okay to feed?

Stephanie,

i've fed this fish to i think 14 dogs total, 9 of which i still have
currently. NONE of them liked it.. some will eat it grudgingly, most just smell it
and walk away.

not worth the trouble no matter how good the deal is if the dogs won't eat
em.

no need to take out the bones as long as the fish is raw.. this goes for all
fish except for some catfish with bony barbs.

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3b. Re: Las Vegas Suppliers and Fish question
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 9:59 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/1/2007 9:06:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Boxer Lover
writes:

I have a question about feeding Talapia. Yesterday was the first time I
tried feeding this fish. I have to admit, I took the bones out. The bones felt
very sharp!!! Especially right behind the gills. Has anyone fed this fish and
are the bones of this fish okay to feed?

I have fed this fish, whole with bones and head, to my 3 cats. One of them
even demolished the head, which was about the size of HIS head. The other two
can do no better than gnaw on it pretty well. But the bones are no problem for
them. :)

Lynda

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4a. Re: Reply to Sonja's ... "eating mat" in the kitchen
Posted by: "Cynthia Brown" temecula_lady@yahoo.com temecula_lady
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 6:21 pm ((PDT))

Sonja,

Thanks for the idea. Straight forward enough -- I'll
just create an in-kitchen area where the food stays.

Cynthia

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5a. How to tell if a dog is choking or not
Posted by: "chele519" chele519@yahoo.com chele519
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 6:25 pm ((PDT))

This is really getting me concerned since it's happened twice now. My
dog is eating boneless meat right now because she had a tooth pulled
and the vet didn't want her having any bones which could rip the
stitches. Normally she has pork shoulder so she can't eat too big a
piece at once. She had a large piece of meat and it seemed like she
had torn off some pieces. Immediately after she finished eating, she
was pacing the kitchen, whining and crying. I knew she was trying to
throw this up so we went outside and after a few minutes she threw up
some big pieces and then ate the meal again. I'm not sure if she ate
too fast or what happened. This happened once about a year ago so
although I was concerned, I didn't panic like I did the last time. But
the last time she wasn't crying in what appeared to be pain. I've
taken the Red Cross pet first aid class twice and I know how to do the
doggy heimlich. I lightly touched her stomach when she was pacing the
house and she cried. I don't know if she was crying because she was in
pain or because she was scared but I'm wondering how do I know whether
she is choking and needs to have the heimlich performed or if she can
handle it herself?
Michele

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5b. Re: How to tell if a dog is choking or not
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 8:50 pm ((PDT))

On Aug 1, 2007, at 6:11 PM, chele519 wrote:
> .... Immediately after she finished eating, she
> was pacing the kitchen, whining and crying. I knew she was trying to
> throw this up so we went outside and after a few minutes she threw up
> some big pieces and then ate the meal again. I'm not sure if she ate
> too fast or what happened. This happened once about a year ago so
> although I was concerned, I didn't panic like I did the last time. But
> the last time she wasn't crying in what appeared to be pain. I've
> taken the Red Cross pet first aid class twice and I know how to do the
> doggy heimlich. I lightly touched her stomach when she was pacing the
> house and she cried. I don't know if she was crying because she was in
> pain or because she was scared but I'm wondering how do I know whether
> she is choking and needs to have the heimlich performed or if she can
> handle it herself?
> Michele

Well, it's NOT choking, because she is breathing. Choking, and the
Heimlich, are when the airway is completely obstructed and the
subject is passing out from lack of oxygen.

She had some discomfort in her stomach, something poking her, or just
packed too full, or wrongly arranged. Vomiting is the proper fix, and
eating it back up perfectly normal. It's easier to swallow a huge
piece of meat than something bony, and because it was in chunks she
didn't chew it at all, just packed it in. She's not used to chunks,
but to gnawing off pieces and eating them one at a time, right?

Sometimes it seems as though there is no eating issue that can't be
resolved by feeding bigger, hm? I understand why you can't, here, but
feeding big would prevent this, most likely. If you are worried about
her meals right now, hand feed smaller chunks, or put down one or two
at a time.

ginny and Tomo

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5c. Re: How to tell if a dog is choking or not
Posted by: "brutus_buckley" brutus_buckley@yahoo.com brutus_buckley
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 9:59 pm ((PDT))

Ginny is right. With boneless meals, I either feed so big that they
have to tear pieces off or I cut it into smaller pieces that are easily
swallowed.

-Renee

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6a. Re: New Member from Temecula, California
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 6:25 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/1/2007 12:21:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
temecula_lady@yahoo.com writes:

Of course, another one of my very basic questions is how do I switch
my dogs over to this way of eating. They are all, without exception,
ridiculously picky eaters.

Cynthia,

i'm just north of you, just outside of the city of Riverside.. welcome
neighbor.

the first big thing is that picky eaters are not born, they are made.. you
allowed them to decide what they will eat, now you have even more work to undo
it.. sorry, it's the truth.

first thing, is a normal healthy dog will NOT starve itself.

kibble is poison, remove it from your house now. Take a trip down to Winco
and buy 4 or 5 chickens (last time i looked they were $.88 lb, not cheap, but
not espensive either).

your poodle should be just hunky dory with half a chicken a day to start.. so
whack a chicken in half. offer Duffy the entire half chicken..

Sofia should probably do very well, with slightly less than a chicken
quarter, so take the other half of that chicken and split it into 2 portions.

tinkerbell should do great with a hunk about the size of a bone in breast or
thigh, so hand her the other 1/4 and if she eats it take it away about half
way through.

ok, now for the tough part, if any one, or all of them refuse to eat after
say 15 or 20 minutes (no fussing, no cajoling, set the food down in their normal
food places and bowls and say "dinnertime" or whatever you normally would say
when you feed them). Pick up the food, put it away and offer them NOTHING,
NO TREATs, nothing untill the next normal meal time, then reoffer what they
refused earlier.

you are NOT starving your dogs.. you are offering them food and they are
making a choice. What you need to do is wait until they realize that they are not
in control and this is what they are going to eat or they will get nothing.
This requires restraint and patience.

Under no circumstances should you substitute what is available to eat, or
offer them treats or snacks of any kind until they figure out what's for dinner.

If ya need help from a mean old woman.. i'm not far away, email me.
Catherine R.

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6b. Re: Thanks Catherine for the raw food "tough love"!
Posted by: "Cynthia Brown" temecula_lady@yahoo.com temecula_lady
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 7:24 pm ((PDT))

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Catherine --

You are SO right and I am guilty as charged for having created three very picky eaters. I also understand that they won't starve themselves to death and if they miss a meal, or two, or three -- by their own choice -- it's not going to kill them.

Thanks for the portion recommendations and I will be trotting off to Winco tomorrow.

BUT -- I did start tonight ... determined not to give them kibble anymore. All I had in the house were boneless chicken breasts so that's what I put down. Duffy scarfed down 2 himself and couldn't have looked happier. If I'd had more, he would have gotten them. Tinker ate 3/4 of one herself and Sophie was the hold-out. When I started to pick up her plate, she went for the foot but was obviously challenged (few teeth) to eat the large pieces -- even though I had cut them. So, I put them in the food processor to shred them ... and she ate a few tablespoons and quit. BUT -- we started tonight. Tomorrow is a whole new day and I will adopt the portions you recommend.

Should I expect loose stools as a result of this change? And can I just stick with the chicken portions, as you describe for the 1st month?

Thanks so much for your help. Where in Riverside County do you live?

Cynthia
Temecula


Morledzep@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 8/1/2007 12:21:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
temecula_lady@yahoo.com writes:

the first big thing is that picky eaters are not born, they are made.. you
allowed them to decide what they will eat, now you have even more work to undo
it.. sorry, it's the truth.

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6c. Re: Thanks Catherine for the raw food "tough love"!
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 8:45 pm ((PDT))

Couple of things to keep an eye open for at Winco.

1. Chicken quarters...if you catch 'em the day before their "sale by"
date you can get them for $2.70 a bag. Otherwise they're still only
about $3.60 a bag.

2. They have a pork bbq brisket. Some bone...lots of yummy meat, for
around 89 cents a lb. It says Pork BBQ on the label. They don't
always have a lot of it out, so if you find some, grab it.

I've got some older girls with nubs for teeth...she can get through
darn near any bone that the toothed dogs can eat...it just takes her
longer :-)

> Thanks for the portion recommendations and I will be trotting off to Winco tomorrow.
>

--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com

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7a. Re: calcium/phosphorous ratio - cat bones
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 6:29 pm ((PDT))

Thanks, Shannon, I will give it a go!

Lynne

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wrote:
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>
> >
> I bought a few feeder (frozen) mice from my local pet store, I
> ordered them from www.rodentpro.com

I know www.prey4pets.com

carries feeder chicks and she's looking to start getting mice in so
that might be another idea.
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> Good luck! :-)
> Shannon H.
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8a. Re: Gauge
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 7:03 pm ((PDT))

Tracey,

This must be very hard on you; I can imagine. Glad to hear you are
relieved of guilt in possibly leaving Gauge in a vulnerable position.
We sure beat ourselves up, don't we? Still, the loss is real, and
whatever the reason, it is painful. Just know there are lots of
people on this list who feel your pain. I hope you can forgive the
vet for her initial speculation, and not take it personally.

Lynne

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "frustrated_tracey" <wagc@...>
wrote:
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> Well the test results came in and it was not heatstroke like we
> thought, it was Parvo. > It doesn't change things but with
heatstroke I felt I was responsible,
> with Parvo I couldn't really do anything, the vet said it was
probably
> heatstroke. So I went by what she said.
>
> Tracey
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9a. Re: Anal Blows-definition
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 7:04 pm ((PDT))

"Her anal gland blows a hole right thru her skin. She licks the
sore...it heals up in a few days.
*****
My 8yo Lab produced one of these a few weeks ago, I had no idea what it
was, since he'd never had anal gland issues before and of all my dogs
only one dog once needed his glands expressed and that was like 12
years ago."

So what was the diagnosis for your 8 yr. Lab? Did he have an immune problem as you suggested?
Ivette

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10a. not ripping or tearing the meat- a problem?
Posted by: "ivettecasiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 7:05 pm ((PDT))

> "My guess is what you consider huge pieces and what he considers
huge
pieces are two different huges. Please, if you don't mind, provide
menu details.
IMO, he is eating perfectly appropriately. You have described no
> anomoly, no crisis, no choking nor even a benign gag that usually
> happens to adjust the mouthful."

I had to laugh at this. I guess these are newbie fears and
misconceptions. I'll start giving my big guy BIG food. Now I need to
convince my boyfriend that this is ok for him. Nugget was his dog to
begin with but since we have started living together 1 1/2 years, I
have been trying to convince him to feed raw. He finally gave in and
let me feed raw when the tainted pet food scared started but it was
only meat. I then worried that he wasn't getting any bone so "the
boyfriend" compromised with my grinding chicken bones to include in
his meaty meal. I also give him raw marrow bones to gnaw on which he
loves (teeth are ok, he's big and strong). Now feeding BIG food with
bone will be my next battle. "The boyfriend" is convinced now that raw
is best due to the beautiful coat that everyone compliments, the slim
figure (he was 118lbs when he got him), the cleaner teeth, the
healthier paw pads and elbow callouses and the puppy energy in a 7
year old dog, <ugh> <sign> the uneducated are difficult...
Ivette

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10b. not ripping or tearing the meat- a problem?
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 9:52 pm ((PDT))

We need some advice on this. I've given him huge pieces and he
still does the same thing, chomps down until he has a mouth full,
crunches bones once or twice and swallows. I'm so afraid he isn't
breaking up the bones well enough.
> Any advice?
> Ivette
>
>
I'm having the same problems with my pugs especially one of them. She
is a very small pug although she weighs 20 pounds. I've given her
chicken fryiers huge thigh and drumstick and when I went to take it up
for later she had scarfed it down. The problem is she then throws it up
and it's all in very large pieces. I've tried freezing it, too. She
does this several times. More advice is needeed please. Thanks guys.

Silvina

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10c. Re: not ripping or tearing the meat- a problem?
Posted by: "marblekallie" marble@pipeline.com marblekallie
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 9:54 pm ((PDT))

Hi:

I was amused by this thread since I had one dog that took 6 months
to learn to hold his food in order to rip and tear. Now he does it
all the time.

My new pup arrived and managed it from day 1. You would have
thought that she had been fed raw all her 3 months, but I know she
was not. Nevertheless she hasn't had one loose stool or scary
moment on chicken, pork, goat, and goat liver -- bones and all.
Sometimes I have to go and thoroughly check because I can't believe
that something so tiny has put away a fairly large and challenging
bone in short order. She eats like a grown up dog, just more in
proportion to her size (4 lbs).

Philippa Jordan
New York City

> I can't believe he can do pretty much a full
> frontal split to avoid touching his food. But he seems content
so hey....

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10d. Re: not ripping or tearing the meat- a problem?
Posted by: "magolin0328" maggie.taylor@artlover.com magolin0328
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 9:58 pm ((PDT))

That is EXACTLY what Diesel does! If, God forbid, something touches a
paw accidentally he jumps up and immediately goes to work 'sanitizing'
the affected area.

He doesn't often eat lying down, but if he does he does the
spread-eagle thing too. Its very odd to watch.

Maggie
Diesel, SDIT

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> My dog wants nothing to do with touching the meat with her paws. If
you throw meat at her and she's laying down, her front paws will go
spread-eagle faster than you can blink an eye. Her whole meal is eaten
with both legs perpendicular to her body (I didn't even think dogs
could bend like that....). It looks REALLY uncomfortable but if that's
the way she wants to do it, then more power to her.
>
> Sonja

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11a. Re: May be dumb math question but...
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 9:54 pm ((PDT))

<<No, not necessarily. If there is any broadly-recommended amount it
is 2%, but reality says that a dog needs what a dog needs, percentage
of body weight be damned. So some dogs "need" 1.5% body weight and
some dogs "need" 4% or even 5%. >>

Is it possible for a dog that has been feed commercial dog food (and human junk food) for years to develop an eating disorder? I have never given our dog all he can eat because he would never stop. He was obese when we got him (due to other people's poor feeding habits)and we wanted to get him to a healthy weight. Now that he's a healthy weight eating 2% of his weight in raw, I'm afraid to give him more than that per day for fear of his eating out of control and getting obese again. He'll eat just about anything.
Ivette

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12a. Re: where to feed (was Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the fee
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 9:56 pm ((PDT))

I just let my dog eat on the floor. After, I just
spray where she ate with hydrogen peroxide/water. I
have to get down on my hands and knees but it only
takes a few minutes.
I had a towel but she kept accidently getting it into
her mouth when she was working on the meat.
I like the shower curtain idea though...

Nathalie

> Towels, blankets, vinyl tablecloths, shower
> curtains, bath mats, in a
> crate, etc.!

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13a. Re: Raw Feeding in OZ (was: offal variety - how necessary?)
Posted by: "Lindsay Dorian" iamentropygirl@gmail.com irwin_bird
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 9:59 pm ((PDT))

I have figured out a way to get cheap meat - send your butcher on a camping
trip (ok he was going anyway)

wait until he has car trouble - arrange for your house mate (who's also your
puppy's "other" parent) to come along and rescue him

boom instant discounts : ) I didn't know any of this had happened until I
went to stock up yesterday!!!

I also found out that if I call ahead I can get pork and lamb necks - so
that should be exciting....

TK, Blaze and Lindsay (who's always the last to know)

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14. Re: where to feed (was Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the fe
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 10:01 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/1/2007 9:06:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Laurie
Swanson writes:

Towels, blankets, vinyl tablecloths, shower curtains, bath mats, in a
crate, etc.! I taught my dog to keep food on his towel by putting it
back each time he'd take it off and saying something like, "Keep it on
your rug."

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I've even taught my 3 cats to eat on their own pieces of vinyl
tablecloth--and it's the first thing they've ever accepted being taught! One day recently
I dropped a piece of rabbit for all 3 of them, thinking maybe they'd chow
down on it together and start on the way to not having to be fed in 3 separate
rooms, since they are 4 months into rawfeeding. Wrong! Everybody tore off a
piece and ran to his/her own tablecloth!

Lynda

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