[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11871

There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: dog on diet seems starved
From: pigasus718
1b. Re: dog on diet seems starved
From: doreenchui

2a. Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the feedback!
From: Alison Maffett

3. first pork snout
From: Laurie Swanson

4a. Re: Thanks Catherine for the raw food "tough love"!
From: Morledzep@aol.com

5a. Re: Raw Feeding in OZ (was: offal variety - how necessary?)
From: vozdogs
5b. Re: Raw Feeding in OZ (was: offal variety - how necessary?)
From: Belinda Mitchell
5c. Re: Raw Feeding in OZ (was: offal variety - how necessary?)
From: Lindsay Dorian
5d. Re: Raw Feeding in OZ (was: offal variety - how necessary?)
From: Bob Allanson

6. chicken skin and oil
From: doreenchui

7a. Re: not ripping or tearing the meat- a problem?
From: imaginationdead

8a. Re: Anal Blows-definition
From: a.flynn@optusnet.com.au

9a. Re: How to tell if a dog is choking or not
From: chele519

10a. where to feed (was Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the fe
From: Shannon Hully

11a. where to feed (was Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the feedbac
From: Shannon Hully

12. Messy Faces from Food
From: Carol

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1a. Re: dog on diet seems starved
Posted by: "pigasus718" pigasus718@yahoo.com pigasus718
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 10:31 pm ((PDT))

> ****also what do people do with dogs with beards?***

hi kelli,
I've wondered the same thing myself today.
my mini schnauzer has taken to raw really well, but
his beard is a wreck also. I didn't know what to do.
Just let him go around with "chicken juice" in his beard
or try to wipe it off? I just let him go for now. I figured
it would probably just make it worse if I tried cleaning it
off. Maybe you should start a separate thread on that topic
so we can get some ideas from the seasoned vetrans.

> here is a video of my shiz-tzu and how she cleans her beard after
eating
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfMJXz3AvKI (doggy napkin)

Jenny that video is hilarious. My whole family has watched it and
just hee hawed! I especially love the big burp and the bad Donald
Trump comb over!!! That is just too funny:-D
We have a shih tzu also. Don't you just love them. They are such
complete goofballs! Mine is a very neat eater, so we haven't had any
beard residue isssues with her yet.
Thanks for the best laugh I've had all week.

Robyn

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1b. Re: dog on diet seems starved
Posted by: "doreenchui" doreenchui@yeos.com doreenchui
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 11:40 pm ((PDT))

Hi
I have a mini schnauzer who have taken to raw recently. He does the
same except he does it on his own sofa.
Doreen
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "pigasus718" <pigasus718@...>
wrote:
>
>
> > ****also what do people do with dogs with beards?***
>
> hi kelli,
> I've wondered the same thing myself today.
> my mini schnauzer has taken to raw really well, but
> his beard is a wreck also. I didn't know what to do.
> Just let him go around with "chicken juice" in his beard
> or try to wipe it off? I just let him go for now. I figured
> it would probably just make it worse if I tried cleaning it
> off. Maybe you should start a separate thread on that topic
> so we can get some ideas from the seasoned vetrans.
>
> > here is a video of my shiz-tzu and how she cleans her beard
after
> eating
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfMJXz3AvKI (doggy napkin)
>
> Jenny that video is hilarious. My whole family has watched it and
> just hee hawed! I especially love the big burp and the bad Donald
> Trump comb over!!! That is just too funny:-D
> We have a shih tzu also. Don't you just love them. They are such
> complete goofballs! Mine is a very neat eater, so we haven't had
any
> beard residue isssues with her yet.
> Thanks for the best laugh I've had all week.
>
> Robyn
>

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2a. Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the feedback!
Posted by: "Alison Maffett" sweettuth23@yahoo.com sweettuth23
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 10:32 pm ((PDT))

I started feeding my dogs outside on the patio then when it cooled down I started feeding them inside on towels. You just have to teach them to stay on their towels. If they take their food off the towel just put it back on their towel. Chicken wings are usually too bony so I would stay away purchasing a thing of chicken wings. Alison

----- Original Message ----
From: Cynthia Brown

ANOTHER (dumb) question: WHERE do I feed them?

Anyway, I have chicken breasts (boneless, because

that's all I have) thawing for them right now.

Tomorrow I'll go shopping to find them chicken wings,

legs, thighs.

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3. first pork snout
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 11:49 pm ((PDT))

Hi all,

Just thought I'd share for those who haven't tried pork snouts yet...It
was about a 10 min. chewie for my 20 lb. gulper Boston (not bad...).
When it was too small to hold with his paws and rip with his mouth, it
went down the hatch. It was still pretty big when he swallowed.
Something fun and different. Got them at an Asian market in Seattle.

Laurie

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4a. Re: Thanks Catherine for the raw food "tough love"!
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 12:19 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/1/2007 6:26:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
temecula_lady@yahoo.com writes:

Should I expect loose stools as a result of this change? And can I just
stick with the chicken portions, as you describe for the 1st month?

Thanks so much for your help. Where in Riverside County do you live?

Cynthia,

I generally don't tell the city i live in on the forum, if you'd like i'll
email you privately.

Loose stools almost always accompany a diet change, but if they go on for
more than a week, two at the most you'll need to make some changes. AFter the
first week if they still have loose stools you might want to remove the chicken
skin and gradually add it back in over time. IF after the first week they are
having crumbly white poop and having to strain to get it out you'll need to
add more meat (i usually take this as an indication that it's time to add red
meat).

Chicken is just fine for the first week or 3 or 4.. adding meats should come
when you AND your dogs are ready. It never hurts to go slow.

Catherine R.

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5a. Re: Raw Feeding in OZ (was: offal variety - how necessary?)
Posted by: "vozdogs" maisie.g@bigpond.net.au vozdogs
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 12:26 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Belinda Mitchell <dubhruah@...> wrote:
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> I live outside Toowoomba at the moment and used to be down Canberra
> way for a long time, but many of the not well known pet shops may or
> may not stock frozen pet mince.

Hi Belinda
You introduced me to a pet-mince and cubed meat supplier in Queanbeyan
(can supply details to any local people) He will supply me with whole
meat if I order it in advance. Others will do the same and because
they don't have to process it themselves you get a discount for a
superior form of food for our carnivores.

I set myself an average of under $4 a kilo in Oz also

cheers
Maisie,Maggie and Nash

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5b. Re: Raw Feeding in OZ (was: offal variety - how necessary?)
Posted by: "Belinda Mitchell" dubhruah@velocitynet.com.au dubhruadh
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 12:47 am ((PDT))

Hi Maisie,

Lovely to hear from you. Glad to see that Maggie is doing well (for
those that don't know Maggie is the litter sister to my Geordie that
died a few years ago, and she would now be 11 1/2yo) Gosh Maisie how
time flies! And Nash is a wonderful young man who has helped many
children overcome their fear of dogs. He takes after his mother in
the agileness department! His brother Badger is about to head out on
the show circuit where we will catch up with many old friends who all
happen to feed raw food to their dogs!

For those looking for meat suppliers, best bet is to make friends
with your local butcher and buy in bulk!

Cheers

Belinda

>
> I set myself an average of under $4 a kilo in Oz also
>
> cheers
> Maisie,Maggie and Nash
>

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5c. Re: Raw Feeding in OZ (was: offal variety - how necessary?)
Posted by: "Lindsay Dorian" iamentropygirl@gmail.com irwin_bird
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 1:14 am ((PDT))

I've seen no sign of those little baby chickens that are popular for small
dogs/cats, which is a shame cause i bet my cat would love them...

I have seen quail but they're pretty $$$ maybe she'll get one for Christmas

Lindsay

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5d. Re: Raw Feeding in OZ (was: offal variety - how necessary?)
Posted by: "Bob Allanson" llan@ozemail.com.au llan1965
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 5:34 am ((PDT))

If you want soft bones for a small or young dog- or an oldie with bad teeth- the smallest chickens , or pieces of them, have easier bones and are a bit more tender. Some of the chicken maryland specials in the shops are from larger (and older) birds. Some of the turkey "spare parts " in supermarkets are from pretty big creatures- I think a lot of the wings & drumsticks are from birds reared for the large bone-in turkey breasts. You might as well offer a small learner dog a dinosaur bone, as a wing off one of them!
Chicken carcasses and lamb "flaps" have reasonably easy bones , a fair bit of cartilage which is good too.
Get a good knife with a fairly solid blade, that won't chip if you lean on it. Doubtless you could use a cleaver, if you're a better shot with one than I am!!
Cheers, Judy and Wallace, who LOVES lamb flaps and makes them vanish fast.

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6. chicken skin and oil
Posted by: "doreenchui" doreenchui@yeos.com doreenchui
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 1:10 am ((PDT))

Is it true that chicken skin and the oil is good for their skin and
coat?
Doreen

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7a. Re: not ripping or tearing the meat- a problem?
Posted by: "imaginationdead" deadoikos@gmail.com imaginationdead
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 4:08 am ((PDT))

Thanks for the great advice Chris O. and everyone else. I wasn't super
worried or anything but you guys did make me feel much better. Stupid
human expectations come to haunt me once again! the posts about dogs
refusing to touch their meat with thier paws made me laugh outloud.

I'm going to try two meals starting tomorrow and I think when I do
turkey next time i'll take off the skin to start. and I hope she likes
rabbit, i just bought like 30 lbs of the stuff cause it was a good
deal! eek. oh well, these are the ups and downs of being a newbie, i
guess :)
cheers,
Scherzo

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8a. Re: Anal Blows-definition
Posted by: "a.flynn@optusnet.com.au" a.flynn@optusnet.com.au flynn_nn
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 4:30 am ((PDT))

Hello,

Just adding my dogs experience with this in case you want to have it checked by a vet.

I had this happen with my lab x and the vet said it was most likely an anal gland cancer. This is more common in older female dogs apparently. She had an operation to have the gland removed.

Ann.

> Ivette Casiano <ivettecasiano@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> "Her anal gland blows a hole right thru her skin. She licks the
> sore...it heals up in a few days.
> *****
> My 8yo Lab produced one of these a few weeks ago, I had no idea what it
> was, since he'd never had anal gland issues before and of all my dogs
> only one dog once needed his glands expressed and that was like 12
> years ago."
>
>
> So what was the diagnosis for your 8 yr. Lab? Did he have an immune
> problem as you suggested?
> Ivette
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>
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9a. Re: How to tell if a dog is choking or not
Posted by: "chele519" chele519@yahoo.com chele519
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 5:10 am ((PDT))

Yes, that's right. This wasn't chunks though, it was a 3lb pork roast,
all one piece. She threw it up in a few pieces so she had chewed it at
least a little. I was giving smaller chunks and she just inhaled them
so last night I gave bigger pieces and held one end so she couldn't
gulp it down. By next weekend I can go back to giving bone so she'll
get the whole pork shoulder again which solves the problem.
Michele

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, ginny wilken <gwilken@...> wrote:
She's not used to chunks, but to gnawing off pieces and eating them
one at a time, right?
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> Sometimes it seems as though there is no eating issue that can't be
> resolved by feeding bigger, hm? I understand why you can't, here, but
> feeding big would prevent this, most likely. If you are worried about
> her meals right now, hand feed smaller chunks, or put down one or two
> at a time.

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10a. where to feed (was Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the fe
Posted by: "Shannon Hully" summerwolf@theherbalhotline.com bluehankw
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 5:34 am ((PDT))

> I've even taught my 3 cats to eat on their own pieces of vinyl
> tablecloth--and it's the first thing they've ever accepted being
taught! One day recently
> I dropped a piece of rabbit for all 3 of them, thinking maybe they'd
chow
> down on it together and start on the way to not having to be fed in
3 separate
> rooms, since they are 4 months into rawfeeding. Wrong! Everybody
tore off a
> piece and ran to his/her own tablecloth!
>
> Lynda

You might try gradually moving their tableclothes closer and closer
together if you want them eventually all in the same room. Nice thing
about them fixating on a specific (moveable) thing to eat on rather
than a specific square of floor or furniture! :-D

Shannon H.

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11a. where to feed (was Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the feedbac
Posted by: "Shannon Hully" summerwolf@theherbalhotline.com bluehankw
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 5:35 am ((PDT))

> I just let my dog eat on the floor. After, I just
> spray where she ate with hydrogen peroxide/water. I
> have to get down on my hands and knees but it only
> takes a few minutes.

I'm so used to cleaning the kitchen floor after my cats I never even
thought about where to feed the dog! LOL We don't have a fenced yard
either so I'll probably just toss him down a towel or blanket (more for
his peace of mind for footing than mess) and leave it at that once I've
got him.

Shannon

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12. Messy Faces from Food
Posted by: "Carol" onejoyfulmoose@yahoo.com onejoyfulmoose
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 5:46 am ((PDT))

I use baby wipes to clean the dogs fur if need be after their meals.
It has cut any grease and makes them smell good at the same time.
Carol, Moose & Joy

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