[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11878

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
From: helpshelteranimals
1b. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
From: Ivette Casiano
1c. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
From: Yasuko herron
1d. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
From: Morledzep@aol.com
1e. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
From: Morledzep@aol.com

2a. Re: stinky breath?
From: natgs

3a. Re: ]Re: grass eating and parasite
From: Yasuko herron
3b. ]Re: grass eating and parasite
From: costrowski75

4a. Re: Questions? Pork bones? Coat?
From: Laura Atkinson
4b. Re: Questions? Pork bones? Coat?
From: Yasuko herron
4c. Re: Questions? Pork bones? Coat?
From: carnesbill

5a. low thyroid diet
From: Susanne MacLeod
5b. Re: low thyroid diet
From: costrowski75
5c. Re: low thyroid diet
From: Casey Post
5d. Re: low thyroid diet
From: ginny wilken

6a. Re: Effect of Raw Food Eating on Canine Cataracts?
From: Ivette Casiano
6b. Re: Effect of Raw Food Eating on Canine Cataracts?
From: Ivette Casiano

7a. Re: all these problems
From: swilken61
7b. Re: all these problems
From: merril Woolf

8. more non-problems
From: swilken61

9a. Re: All these non-problems
From: temy1102

10a. Re: Costs of Raw Feeding
From: carnesbill

11a. Re: chicken skin and oil
From: Morledzep@aol.com

12. Good news about raw feeding
From: v_rod_or

13. question from a new member--- male not eating
From: Jennifer

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1a. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
Posted by: "helpshelteranimals" helpshelteranimals@yahoo.com helpshelteranimals
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 7:51 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "spicemother" <spicemother@...>
wrote:

> Are you able to feed bone every meal?
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Some dogs get the soupy poos when you DON'T feed a little bone every
meal. My dog is one of them.

AG & Ruffian

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1b. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 7:57 am ((PDT))

<<If your dog feels that two thighs a day are too much bone, it's easy to
just feed something boneless for one of those meals. Remember that
only about 10% of the diet needs to be edible bone -- most of what
you're feeding should indeed be meat, fat, skin, and connective tissue.

-- sandy & griffin>>

Sandy, what about dogs that have arthritis and/or displacia, don't they need more bone that other dogs? Don't know if 10% is enough in that situation.
Ivette

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1c. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:04 pm ((PDT))

>Sandy, what about dogs that have arthritis and/or displacia, don't they need more bone >that other dogs? Don't know if 10% is enough in that situation.

Hi,Ivette. My dog used to limp,and I used to give grucosamin with green lipped mussel supplements which made her limp-free right way.

After switching to raw, I stopped giving the supplement of grucosamin because I read that feeding raw diet contains natural grucosamin in it,and sure enough she is still limp-free and run like wind.

I don't think that you need to give more bone to dog with it as long as you give hunk of meat with some bone in meal;(too much bone leads to constipation).

I do not think that feeding neckbones or ribs all the time for example would help with the problems either.

Bone (joints or cartlige) has natural glucosamin too but,mainly bone is for calcium intake if I understanding it right.

So, as long as giving some bone,I think you are fine.

If still limping,then, supplement with glucosamin/chondroitin/green lipped mussel would help.

Maybe others could help you more with their knowledge?

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1d. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:11 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/3/2007 6:58:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ivettecasiano@yahoo.com writes:

Don't know if 10% is enough in that situation.

Viet,

10% bone is all that is necessary.. even for dogs with arthritis and HD. the
thing to add in this situation is foods heavy in cartilage.. gullets,
tracheas, chicken feet.. things like this, heavy in cartilage = heavy in condroitin
and glucosamine.

Calcium is not the cure for joint diseases, glucosamine and condroitin in
their natural form are. Some folks comfort themselves by adding suppliments, but
in my experience they are not as effective as getting it naturally through
the diet.

Catherine R.

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1e. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:15 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/3/2007 12:12:14 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Morledzep@aol.com writes:

Viet,

oopps that was supposed to be Ivette.. how did i do that? Sorry.. VERY
sorry..

Catherine R.

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2a. Re: stinky breath?
Posted by: "natgs" natgs@yahoo.com natgs
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 7:52 am ((PDT))

Dear Kate,

I have a hairy beastie also (briard). Occasionally, he gets food stuck
in his mustache and beard. I simply pull whatever is stuck out. As for
the raw 'juices', I found that he gets rid of them himself when he
drinks from the bowl. I try to change the water in his bowl after each
drink to make sure that it stays clean for drinking/face wash.

I've seen other people's posts saying that they use baby wipes to get
rid of dirt/smells. I think it's not a bad idea, as long as you use
the non-scented ones. The scented ones have a pretty strong fragrance
to me. Can you imagine the effect they will have on dogs with their
super-sensitive noses?

One other thing. If you have bone in your dog's diet, and you said
that you do, there's really no need to brush his/her teeth. Chewing on
the bone will work the same if not better. Just make sure that you
include the bones that take time to chew/gnaw on.

Hope this helps.

Natalya

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "deep_ocean_of_sorrow"
<deep_ocean_of_sorrow@...> wrote:
> my dog generally would eat the entire bone and meats, but since he
has long fur around his mouth, he gets some of the stench of raw meats
> around there. would brushing his teeth more often help? (i usually
only do it once a
> week, during when he's in the bath cause otherwise the toothpaste
goes everywhere around his white fur.)
> or should i be just wiping it away with something? (i dont know if
that would get rid of the stench though..)
>
> please help!
>
> ¢¼Kate

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3a. Re: ]Re: grass eating and parasite
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 7:58 am ((PDT))

>parasites may be anywhere in your lawn or on bugs your pet may eat.

Hi.Then,I should interfere when my dog start munching on grasses?

I usually let her munch on it if she wanted to though..

I feel like after switching to raw,she munch on it more than before. Shenever throw up,she poop it out.

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3b. ]Re: grass eating and parasite
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:22 pm ((PDT))

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
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> Hi.Then,I should interfere when my dog start munching on grasses?
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No.

> I usually let her munch on it if she wanted to though..
*****
Good idea!

> I feel like after switching to raw,she munch on it more than
before. Shenever throw up,she poop it out.
*****
My dogs ate grass when kibblefed, they eat grass now. I suspect we
will never fully catalog the reasons for grass eating, so while it is
often entertaining to speculate, I don't believe it's essential to
know "why".
Chris O

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4a. Re: Questions? Pork bones? Coat?
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 9:16 am ((PDT))

Ok, a couple of things going on here.

1. When you say "normal thyroid" did you have the full, 6 panel
thyroid run or the cheaper and more common 4 panel thyroid.

2. Try to reduce their chicken intake and increase fattier foods,
lamb and pork are good, fatty meats. Mine have chicken once, maybe
twice a week...but lamb, pork and beef heart are much more common
items in their weekly meals.

3. No need to feed the Vit E; save the money for more meat. Ditto
the seameal mineral/vit. supplement. They could very well be part of
what's wrong with the coat. I know when I stopped the kelp
supplements (yeah yeah, I know) all of my Siberians' coats improved
tremendously.

4. Veggies - skip 'em. Add more meat/fat.

5. Yogurt - skip it. There's no eartly reason to feed it...save it
for making Frosty Paws treats or something.

6. Fish oil. Increase it. Especially if you're feeding lots of
chicken. If you're feeding one capsule, add a second. Heck, add a
third as long as they tolerate it.

7. Pork bones...overally, they're pretty darn soft. I'll let my crew
work on 'em until I'm tired of waiting to let them out of their dinner
crates.

On 8/3/07, tseiko1 <akei1@netsync.net> wrote:
> I am feeding raw to 2 sibes-3 years and 4 months. The 3 year old has
> a dry, brittle coat(normal thyroid)and am wondering if I should stop
> chicken. Sibes get varied meat & fish diet (heavy on chicken), Salmon
> oil in AM, Vit. E in PM, Seameal mineral and vitamin supplement in AM,
> raw veggies in AM, couple raw eggs weekly and yogurt few times weekly.
> Any help tweaking and improving would be wonderful. Next question
> involves pork bones- I want to feed more pork, but so many seem just
> so thick-I know about no pork chops, but what pork bones, if any, are
> too big and can cause tooth damage in adults and growing puppies?
> Thanks.
> BJ
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4b. Re: Questions? Pork bones? Coat?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:04 pm ((PDT))

>1. When you say "normal thyroid" did you have the full, 6 panelthyroid run or the cheaper >and more common 4 panel thyroid.

Hi,Laura. I see some post now and then regarding thyroid test on this list. Is this something you need to check regularly like every year or it is just the person who does have particular problems and one of the suspected stuff was thyroid level??

I see that BJ talking about doggy coat.Is it something to do with it?

>5. Yogurt - skip it. There's no eartly reason to feed it...save it for making Frosty Paws >treats or something.

I freeze Yogurt and give this ice cubed frozen yogurt as treat after excersize like fetching or walking. This is much much healthier than frosty paws and,my dog drool over it.
I know that people better not to have Yogurt everyday but is it apply to dog too? Even as treat amount??I usually give 1 ice cube trayed frozen Yogurt,and sometimes,2 but not more than that.

>7. Pork bones...overally, they're pretty darn soft. I'll let my crew work on 'em until I'm tired >of waiting to let them out of their dinner crates.

As for pork bones, I have fed pork feet,pork neck,pork ribs etc and,like you say,pork bone looks quite soft and my dog crunch down like she eats chicken bones. I think Ribs bone are more softer than the other pork bone from my impression watching how she eats.Pork feet was most time taking pork bone I think.

I do not give pork chop bone.If I add pork chop meat to bonier meal,I cut bone out and toss away.

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4c. Re: Questions? Pork bones? Coat?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:09 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tseiko1" <akei1@...> wrote:
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> I am feeding raw to 2 sibes-3 years and 4 months. The 3 year old has
> a dry, brittle coat(normal thyroid)and am wondering if I should stop
> chicken.

No reason to stop chicken as long as its part of a varied diet.

> Sibes get varied meat & fish diet (heavy on chicken), Salmon
> oil in AM,

> Vit. E in PM, Seameal mineral and vitamin supplement in AM,
> raw veggies in AM, couple raw eggs weekly and yogurt few
> times weekly.

Dump Vit.E, semeal, mineral and vitamin supplements. Dump veggies adn
yogurt.

> I want to feed more pork, but so many seem just
> so thick-I know about no pork chops, but what pork bones, if any, are
> too big and can cause tooth damage in adults and growing puppies?

Feed pork bones except the ones in pork chops. The large ones are
great. Don't worry about them.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
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5a. low thyroid diet
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:00 pm ((PDT))

my katie has been diagnosed with a low thyroid. should i change her
diet at all. right now she gets ostrich, elk, rabbit, some fish, pork,
chicken, along with green tripe. She gets fed everything; rmb's,
organs, some ground, etc. I alsu give her artic vigor, glucosomine,
and the odd blueberries.
thanks so much
suz kate and joey

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5b. Re: low thyroid diet
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:28 pm ((PDT))

"Susanne MacLeod" <suzmacleod@...> wrote:
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> my katie has been diagnosed with a low thyroid. should i change her
> diet at all. right now she gets ostrich, elk, rabbit, some fish,
pork,
> chicken, along with green tripe. She gets fed everything; rmb's,
> organs, some ground, etc. I alsu give her artic vigor, glucosomine,
> and the odd blueberries.
*****
You cannot fix a low thyroid condition with diet but you can feed a
high quality species appropriate diet to support the dog in other
ways. You are feeding a high quality species appropriate diet now.

Address the thyroid with the necessary meds knowing that, were Katie
still on kibble, the required dose would almost assuredly be higher.

You're doing fine, Suz. You been doing fine.
Chris O

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5c. Re: low thyroid diet
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:33 pm ((PDT))

> my katie has been diagnosed with a low thyroid.

Ah-ha! No huge surprise for those of us who know of Katie's issues, but
really glad you have an answer on that and it's something you can deal with!

>should i change her
> diet at all.

Nah. Katie's on a great plan, you stick with what's working for her!

Casey

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5d. Re: low thyroid diet
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 5:28 pm ((PDT))

On Aug 3, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Susanne MacLeod wrote:

> my katie has been diagnosed with a low thyroid. should i change her
> diet at all. right now she gets ostrich, elk, rabbit, some fish,
> pork,
> chicken, along with green tripe. She gets fed everything; rmb's,
> organs, some ground, etc. I alsu give her artic vigor, glucosomine,
> and the odd blueberries.
> thanks so much
> suz kate and joey

No, not at all.

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6a. Re: Effect of Raw Food Eating on Canine Cataracts?
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:00 pm ((PDT))

<<Cataracts do
have a huge nutritional component, and they will show up in dogs with
a predilection to form them whenever they are stressed, whether by
food or drugs or mistreatment. But if they do not resolve by
providing an excellent diet, then there is still the possibility that
homeopathy can provide the clue the body needs to restore itself.>>

ginny, thank you so much for the information. I don't think my Nugget has been on raw long enough to see a marked improvement in his cataracts but I'll be looking for it.
Ivette

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6b. Re: Effect of Raw Food Eating on Canine Cataracts?
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:01 pm ((PDT))

<<Antioxidants
A good source is egg yoke if I remember correctly.
Vitamins C and E
Canine physiology produces its own vitamin C. A good source of
vitamin E is liver, but don't overdo the liver because you don't want
to build up the fat soluble vitamins A, D, E and K.
Zinc
Good sources are oysters and hamberg.
Copper
Good sources are oysters and shell fish, kidneys and liver.>>

Lee and Karen, thank you so much. I know a lot about human nutrition but am learning a lot from this group about canine nutrition.
Ivette

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7a. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "swilken61" powrfemme@aol.com swilken61
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:03 pm ((PDT))

Hello Ty,

I am the orignator of the mucose stool post and I just want to say
don't be discouraged. I don't know if others are like this, but since
one of my dogs has pancreatitis, I have become a stool watcher and I
tend to be sensitive to their digestive upsets. Since I've only been
feeding raw for 6 weeks, I watch everything and it is good to know that
others have had some of the same experiences and that I am probably
worrying over nothing.

I've been very happy with the switch and highly recommend it, mucosy
stool and all. It's too soon to tell if it will help with my UTI girls
problems, but my pancreatits girl has been much better. And the dogs
took to it like you would not beleive. The one was always a picky eater
and now she sits and waits for her food. The cat is another story, but
even she is seeing the light also.

So give it a try and see how it goes.

Stephany

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7b. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "merril Woolf" merril@kentfieldwhippets.com whippetsrus2002
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:11 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
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> "Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@> wrote:
> > Keep in mind, people post when they're having problems, for help. You
> > rarely have people logging in daily to say "great stools, good coat,
> > everything's great."
> >
> *****
> Hey, do you think it's time to have another "don't nobody bring me no
> bad news" day? Sounds like we might need a dose of uneventful.
> Chris O
>

I sometimes wonder if people reading these lists think all dogs eating raw are having
horrible problems adjusting. You'd certainly be correct in thinking this if you were to
judge all the posts asking for help.

It has concerned me at times, but I think we'd be right to assume the many thousands of
people natural feeding are doing so quite uneventfully.
I'm a long time raw feeder and I can't think of a single problem I've had. I have to watch
my dogs weight very carefully as they get fat just thinking about food. I have fed things
as small as chicken necks or feet to as large as whole cows. (ok, cut up some, but they
still get whole pelvis's or heads). They've had whole goats and whole lambs and kids.
They've eaten things that make me question myself at times and they have done so
without a single problem. No vet visits for 'stuck stuff' or cannon butt. Never even had
that. They are not surviving, they are thriving.

I do have one comment to the lady who asked for help because her mini doxie swollowed
a chicken peice whole. It reminded me of a pup I flew out to MO to pick up from a friend
of mine who fed kibble. The pup was coming back with me and was 8 weeks and 9 lbs.
I got home with the new arrival and promply got out some chicken to feed the new guy. I
handed him a chicken neck and turned away to get another neck out and when I looked
back at the 9 lb puppy, he was just standing there staring at me. I thought one of my
other dogs had snatched it off him so got him another neck and gave it to him while
making sure none of the adults snatched dit away. To my anxety, the new pup grabbed
the neck and swollowed it whole. I now knew what happened to the other neck I handed
him.
Even though I was and am a long time raw feeder, I had this sudden vision of me calling
my kibble feeding friend to tell her that her precious baby had dropped dead from
swollowing whole chicken necks.
I was soon to learn that the new baby could crunch up or swollow whole anything that
didn't eat him first. He will swollow whole chicken backs without a second thought.
If a little puppy doing this can make me think twice, I know how it must have felt for you
with your little doxie and the fact you are new to raw feeding. It does make you cringe
just a bit. You'd be surprised how tough they are though.

Merril
Whippets

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8. more non-problems
Posted by: "swilken61" powrfemme@aol.com swilken61
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:07 pm ((PDT))

I'd like to, in addition to my previous post, that as a new raw feeder,
I am amazed by the change in my girls.

My 9 year old seems much younger, my other dog now waits for her food
and is eating well. Now that the cat is mostly in raw (she's been slow
to transition) her coat is goreous.

I'll admit that I was skeptical about some of the benefits. I felt it
woudl be healthier, but I didn't really believe it would change whether
or not they got fleas, they wouldn't shed as much, whatever.

So far, that seems to be the case. I haven't seen a flea all summer,
and I live in Florida! I noticed I am sweepling up much less dog hair.
I'm hoping it will have equally good results on their teeth.

So don't be discouraged, just know that here is a resource for what I
wouldn't necessarily call problems, but perhaps glitches or part of the
learning curve.

again, stephany

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9a. Re: All these non-problems
Posted by: "temy1102" tammy.a.jp@gmail.com temy1102
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:08 pm ((PDT))

from what i've learned from the wonderful people on this board and
other varied sources, the mucus is a protective lining produced by the
intestines. i think it happens during the switch because they are not
used to the new food. slippery elm soothes the intestines, and you
can buy it at vitamin and health stores. i buy it in capsule form and
sprinkle it onto some ground meat i keep handy just for giving
medicine and the like.

tammy

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10a. Re: Costs of Raw Feeding
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:08 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cherie Ferebee
<oceanbaylabradors@...> wrote:
> I was just sitting here writing down how much meat (based on th
> 2-3% of body weight) for each of my six dogs. I would end
> up using 11 pounds of food daily. Thats 77 lbs per week!!!

The problem with newbie raw feeders and soon to be raw feeders is
that they spend too much time thinking. :) I don't have a clue how
much I feed my two Danes weightwise. I know it costs me about $50
to $75/MONTH to feed them raw. I get lots of cheap stuff. Anywere
from free from friends cleaning out freezers, to 25 cents/lb for
chicken backs to 43 cents/lb for turkey necks to around 80 cents/lb
for beef heart up to $1/lb for other meats. Sometimes I go up to $3
or $4/lb stuff because the majoirty of what I feed is so cheap. My
dogs have eaten $18/lb filet mignon but for the most part its less
than $75/month to feed them.

Don't expect to do this good in the beginning. It takes several
months to learn how to shop for your dogs.

I feed twice a day and have never fasted my dogs one time in 4 1/2
years of raw feeding.

I wouldn't want to feed deer bladder or intestines to my dogs but
would feed anything else that came of of a deer. It probably
wouldn't hurt them to feed that but I choose not to.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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11a. Re: chicken skin and oil
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 1:14 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/2/2007 11:21:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,
gwilken@alamedanet.net writes:

Your whippet may be fine, and your vet and you just accustomed to
bloated kibble dogs. I'm no whippet expert, but the healthiest
sighthounds I've seen who eat raw are VERY lean and hard compared to
their kibble-fed brethren.

****i seem to have missed the beginning of this thread.. sorry.

Whippets are supposed to be VERY lean and the last 3 rib bones are supposed
to show.. that is when they are healthiest..

Is that the issue? i'm sure i missed something..

Catherine R.

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12. Good news about raw feeding
Posted by: "v_rod_or" v_rod_or@yahoo.com v_rod_or
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 2:48 pm ((PDT))

Our nine-year-old Dalmatian, Spike, is doing just fine. He's been on
raw for a few months now. His coat is looking good. The rash that
we'd wrestled with for a few years during his dog food days is 90%
healed. He's having no problems with food coming in or going out.
And, even though he is getting older, he seems as fit and energetic as
ever.

A couple of weeks ago Spike was having trouble keeping food down, and
I worried that it might have been related to something raw I fed him -
but I followed the advice of several folks here and started him back
on just chicken breasts for a couple of days, then started adding
liver, beef, etc. back to his diet. We appreciate the good advice and
he's doing fine.

Raw feeding hasn't been as complicated as I feared it might be.
Spike's staples are chicken quarters, beef shanks (he can't eat the
bones, but loves the meat and marrow) and pork, mostly boneless. I
buy a package of some kind of liver, heart, or kidneys every 4-5 days
and add some to his meals. Once in a while I get him something else,
like fish or some meaty pork neckbones, just for variety. When I buy
meat for myself, he gets a piece of whatever it is...raw, of course.

My significant other was raised vegetarian so I do most of the
shopping and handling of Spike's food - but it's not a big deal. I
just buy his food when I buy my own.

Thanks again to everybody who contributes here. The changes in
Spike's health are mostly subtle, but the enjoyment he takes from his
meals is not - I don't recall him ever prancing around in anticipation
of another bowlful of kibble. He is a healthy and happy dog!

Rod & Spike

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13. question from a new member--- male not eating
Posted by: "Jennifer" cadet972@yahoo.com cadet972
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 6:23 pm ((PDT))

I have not read all the posting from before I joined. But my altered
male refused to eat last night, I did get him to eat some chicken but
not with his normal. my girl are about a month or so from going into
heat all three. what can I due to keep him eating he can not aford a
hunger strick he one 45lbs, which is very small for a male siberian. he
mostly fur,lol. I try liver which he likes but he turn his nose up to
it. I going to try and get some rabbit from a local farm and see if
that may get him to eat. any ideal or suggestion are welcome.

Jennifer
Free Spirit kennel of va

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