[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11876

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: HELP! Just starting out -- they refused to eat it!!!!
From: Cynthia Brown
1b. Re: HELP! Just starting out -- they refused to eat it!!!!
From: John and Jeni Blackmon
1c. Re: HELP! Just starting out -- they refused to eat it!!!!
From: Jenny S

2a. Re: Directory for Pro-Raw Food / Holistic Vets ???
From: Ivette Casiano
2b. Re: Directory for Pro-Raw Food / Holistic Vets ???
From: Morledzep@aol.com

3a. Re: chicken skin and oil
From: doreenchui
3b. Re: chicken skin and oil
From: ginny wilken

4a. Re: red vs white vs ground vs whole
From: costrowski75

5a. Re: mucose in stool
From: costrowski75
5b. Re: mucose in stool
From: costrowski75

6a. Re: all these problems
From: costrowski75
6b. Re: all these problems
From: financialcongratulatory
6c. all these problems
From: Lori Poirier

7a. Re: Hello from a newbie.
From: costrowski75

8a. Re: Lost group info - O/T
From: costrowski75

9a. allergies?? (was - Re: Duck)
From: Katie
9b. Re: allergies?? (was - Re: Duck)
From: ginny wilken

10a. Re: How many lbs. can you fit into a standard refrigerator?
From: temy1102

11a. old dog and arthritis / cheap food / benefits of raw
From: financialcongratulatory
11b. Re: old dog and arthritis / cheap food / benefits of raw
From: Greta Hill

12a. dog eats grass
From: financialcongratulatory
12b. Re: dog eats grass
From: Morledzep@aol.com

13. All these non-problems
From: temy1102

14a. Re: May be dumb math question but...
From: Ivette Casiano

15a. Re: Costs of Raw Feeding
From: Me

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1a. Re: HELP! Just starting out -- they refused to eat it!!!!
Posted by: "Cynthia Brown" temecula_lady@yahoo.com temecula_lady
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 9:04 pm ((PDT))

Jenny,

Thanks for the support ... did you cut it up for her at all?

I LOVE the doggy napkin. That is just too-too cute!!!

Cynthia

Jenny S <jenken69@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hi Cynthia
you did it just right they will quickly learn thats supper and they will come to look forward to it they are probly just a bit awed at the moment with the change . it did take a bit of time for my shiz tzu to realize thats all she was going to get and now looks forward to meals and eats it all up knowing she wont get anything else till next mealtime ,she knows when its mealtime and sits over by her towel and waits if im late with it..i felt bad at first feeling i was starving her but we are all better off now by it. As well teaching her Where she had to stay with her food, she liked to bring it into the liv room to gnaw on..ewwwww.. grossed out the family
Jenny S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfMJXz3AvKI (doggy napkin)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34YjdBCu8I( Fun in the pool) way to funny..

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1b. Re: HELP! Just starting out -- they refused to eat it!!!!
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 9:09 pm ((PDT))

Cynthia,
You're doing everything just perfect, and don't give up, your dogs will love you for it. And don't let them bury the food, keep taking it away, when it becomes a toy, it means they don't like it, or they aren't hungry enough. Mine would try and bury the beef tongue, my husband swore it was moving:)
Finally it had to go byby. And mine won't do fish.
My new addition, is a Pomchi and she used to live with my Aunt before she passed. Daisy is her name. We switched her over to raw as soon as some really nice people here helped me figure out how to small it down. I have two Great danes and am used to Giant meals, not little teeny ones. It took Daisy 4 days to get the hang of raw, and the little game hens worked great. Now she does a little "halalooya Jesus" dance when I open the fridge for her little game hens (they are in a separate freezer, than the big stuff, and the dance is what my husband taught her) So, I was affraid with her little size that she might starve to, but she didn't, she would nibble on the stuff a tad, and then finally got the hole quarter hen down on the fourth night. We were so proud of our new little carnivore:) You will be too. It takes more time for dogs who have been on kibble longer than ones who weren't. My Great danes started right when we got them, and loved it.
You're doing wonderful, keep it up, and anytime you need encouragement, this is the right place for it!
Jeni, Sacto, CA
Owned, operated, and often tricked, daily, by my Zeus and Zena, and our little Daisy, the halalooya dog, and Lucky, the cat that is just lucky Daisy doesn't figure he's dinner:)

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1c. Re: HELP! Just starting out -- they refused to eat it!!!!
Posted by: "Jenny S" jenken69@shaw.ca jenken69
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:59 pm ((PDT))

Hi Cynthia
at first I would wac it with a cleaver to make it smaller( cause she is a dainty little lady :)) ) but learned fast that the best is just give her a chicken 1/4 or whatever I was feeding her whole..its way better for her teeth and digestion plus makes her work for it...
so many people here on this site gave me so much help and the confidence that I was doing it right and Tila is so much better for it . Biggest thing ive noticed is NO tear stains and NO horrible sour odor she used to have, if she got to close to you it was enough to make you gag ..I think it was an alegery of some kind to kibble ,grain or whatever is in that crap canned as well was bad.

The worst negative comment I got was from my 21 yr old son who informed me I was going turn her into a vicious carnivore ......... well DUHHHHHH....

:) the video is funny and so her she is a card and a spoiled brat ..
Jenny S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfMJXz3AvKI (doggy napkin)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34YjdBCu8I( Fun in the pool) way to funny..

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2a. Re: Directory for Pro-Raw Food / Holistic Vets ???
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 9:04 pm ((PDT))

"Here's a link to the American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association:
http://www.holistic vetlist.com/

They have a search function on that page that allows you to search for
holistic vets "

Laurie, thank you so much for this. I had been searching with no luck, I guess I didn't know how to search well. I had almost lost hope that there were any holistic vets in Florida. Our vet just recommends Science Diet <<yuk>>
Ivette

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2b. Re: Directory for Pro-Raw Food / Holistic Vets ???
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:41 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/2/2007 1:41:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
temecula_lady@yahoo.com writes:

Am I just dreaming, or does such a directory / website / referral network
actually exist?

Cynthia,

Keep dreaming..

Catherine R.

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3a. Re: chicken skin and oil
Posted by: "doreenchui" doreenchui@yeos.com doreenchui
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 9:08 pm ((PDT))

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Dear Ginny
Thanks for the info.
My vet told me that my whippet looks like he have enough protein but
his ribs seems to be showing abit. So he told me to give him some
chicken skin to give him some fats and it's good for his coat.. That's
why I thought better check it out here.
Doreen

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3b. Re: chicken skin and oil
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 12:20 am ((PDT))

On Aug 2, 2007, at 8:03 PM, doreenchui wrote:

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> Dear Ginny
> Thanks for the info.
> My vet told me that my whippet looks like he have enough protein but
> his ribs seems to be showing abit. So he told me to give him some
> chicken skin to give him some fats and it's good for his coat.. That's
> why I thought better check it out here.
> Doreen

Your whippet may be fine, and your vet and you just accustomed to
bloated kibble dogs. I'm no whippet expert, but the healthiest
sighthounds I've seen who eat raw are VERY lean and hard compared to
their kibble-fed brethren.

Fat generally is "good for coats", but you already feed a varied raw
diet, so I would go ahead and rely on the natural fat on the animals
you're feeding. If he stays lean on more food, or self-regulates,
well, you have no problem. If he packs on a bit of fat, you may wish
to cut back. But make sure you are a good judge of what is optimal
for him, appearance-wise, first, and do question your vet's
credentials in this matter - not to his face, of course.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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4a. Re: red vs white vs ground vs whole
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 9:41 pm ((PDT))

"lhmcmaken" <lhmcmaken@...> wrote:
what is the best
> ratio of chicken to beef to pork to fish for dogs?
*****
Some, some and some. I think chicken is less important than its high
visibility warrants but that doesn't mean don't feed it. Beef is but
one of several red meat options and some of those options--lamb and
goat for example--may have more to offer than beef. Fish is useful for
protein variety but fish is not mandatory. Neither are chicken or
beef, for that matter! Variety is what counts; do the best you can.

and is there any
> organ meat besides liver that is a must do?
*****
No. But as with muscle meat, variety is a co-conspirator with
nutrition. Keep your eyes peeled for opportunity, you just never know
when something will show up.

and is ground meat
> acceptable?
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As part of a varied diet, sure. By itself, not so much. Certainly if
you can find it cheapcheap and it adds protein variety to the menu you
should use it.
Chris O

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5a. Re: mucose in stool
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 9:47 pm ((PDT))

"swilken61" <powrfemme@...> wrote:
This mucosy stool
> came after a lamb meal. The stool was lighter in color, I've
noticed
> this before with lamb. The first time, it seemed encased in mucous,
the
> second time, less mucose and it seemed mixed in.
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> Any ideas why this might happen and what adjustment I should make?
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It means something in the meal irritated the lower digestive system
and was promply put in its place and shuffled out. I think this is
an appropriate response to an annoyance; who would want to have a
bothersome annoyance just hanging around making everyone
uncomfortable? Not I.

FWIW, I fed my adult dogs (rawfed since 2000) lamb breasts last week
and my goodness gracious one of them deposited a stool that was
exactly what you describe, complete with mucus and lighter color. I
don't know which one did and since none of them were acting
distressed, I just scooped it up and tossed it.

Unless there are accompanying signs of digestive discomfort, I'd say
ain't no big deal.
Chris O

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5b. Re: mucose in stool
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 9:53 pm ((PDT))

"Sonja" <ladyver@...> wrote:
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> Lamb is really really rich....when I gave lamb to my dog (waaayyy to
early) we got explosive bloody diarrhea.
*****
"Rich" is the word one uses to describe why a meal went south, after it
went south. Yes, lamb is quite fatty and yes, a dog unaccustomed to a
high fat meal may respond as you describe. A dog may also respond, um,
moistly to too much food, or too much new food.

These are all better evaluations of the circumstances leading up to the
messy aftermath; saying "too rich" is as ambiguous as saying "upset
tummy."

Chris O

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6a. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 9:55 pm ((PDT))

"Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@...> wrote:
> Keep in mind, people post when they're having problems, for help. You
> rarely have people logging in daily to say "great stools, good coat,
> everything's great."
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Hey, do you think it's time to have another "don't nobody bring me no
bad news" day? Sounds like we might need a dose of uneventful.
Chris O

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6b. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "financialcongratulatory" jess.hamway@gmail.com financialcongratulatory
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi Ty,

Just want to say that I haven't had any of those problems and my dog
has been doing great since day one. His skin is much better (he used
to get frequent hot spots and allergies), teeth are better, poops way
less frequently (he was going 4 times a day, now goes once a day),
drinks less water (he used to drink a ton from the kibble), and
dropped weight quickly (he needed to). He also didn't have any
digestive upsets when I switched him cold turkey, and he just loves it.

All dogs are different though, I would watch him closely and make sure
he adjusts. I suggest starting with frozen chicken thighs, those seem
to be very digestible. And I wouldn't feed both kibble and raw, just
switch over because they are digested at different rates.

Jessica

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> I am getting a little concerned about all these problems I keep
seeing
> in these posts. I am on the verge of converting to raw when I run
out
> of the last few feeding of kibble, but at the same time am getting
> concerned about all these health problems people are having with
their
> dogs. Mucose in stool-looks like starving, hair loss, diarraha! How
> common is all of this. Am I going to have health problems to work
out
> in the beginning or are these things just rare??
>
> Ty
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6c. all these problems
Posted by: "Lori Poirier" chaparraltrail@yahoo.com chaparraltrail
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 3:51 am ((PDT))

I, too, had concerns, when I first joined this list, because a lot of the posts seemed pretty extreme. I have always fed my dogs mostly real food, some cooked and some raw...just because it seemed healthier than commercial. Then I read posts about how bad it was to mix diets, how commercial food was practically poison...how this or that method was WRONG, etc. Made it sound both DIFFICULT, potentially dangerous...even though there would be great benefits, if you got it right. My head was reeling, and it almost felt like I had landed in some kind of a cult, with language I didn't understand, problems I had never heard of, etc.

In spite of the mixed messages, and some extreme posts, I recently switched from partially raw, to almost entirely raw, and ya know what?...

NO PROBLEMS!

EASY!!!

HEALTHY DOG!

HAPPY DOG!

HAPPY PET OWNER!!!

Happy because in addition to knowing this is better for my dog, I am relaxed enough about it not to freak out if my methods are not up to the purists' standards. I don't obsess over it, but know that a diet that is closer to the animal's natural food is better than a processed diet.

I am doing it all wrong according to the purists...cuz I don't freak out or feel guilty if I feed list-banned substances now and then, when our schedule is crazy.

Go with real food, the natural raw diet, as much as you can for your lifestyle...and don't sweat the small stuff. Dogs have survived--and thrived--for many, many years, on a prey and scavenging model. Your dog will probably do just fine, too. Processed food causes more problems than the real deal, any day.

Lori

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7a. Re: Hello from a newbie.
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:24 pm ((PDT))

"rebecca_rogge" <rebecca_rogge@...> wrote:
>> FYI: Maybe you don't have any control over this, but there are
> advertisements for Purina and other "kibble" brands at the top of
> this page. If you scroll over one ad, it has people saying how much
> it helped their cat or dog. Don't you think that is not right
since
> this site reveals the problems of commercial dog food? Just thought
> you'd want to look into it. It doesn't bother me, but someone else
> might be like... "HMMM".
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No we don't have control over what Yahoo fills its ad space with;
because of it though we are able to use this cyberspace for free.

I figure it's like newspaper or radio or TV advertising--part of the
free speech process. If ya own the medium, you can put whatever you
want on it. You don't own it, you compromise or leave.

I think it's funny, myself. I see the ProPlan banner and I say oh,
right, sure, you bet.
Chris O
Mod Team

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8a. Re: Lost group info - O/T
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:42 pm ((PDT))

"Me" <earthmoontide@...> wrote:
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> Hi - I've lost the details of a yahoo group I used to belong to. It
> was a group that discussed dangers of immunising, and I need to ask
> some advice. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
*****
Here are two to consider:
jstsayno2vaccs@yahoogroups.com
Subscribe: jstsayno2vaccs-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Unsubscribe: jstsayno2vaccs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

TruthAboutVaccines@yahoogroups.com
Subscribe: TruthAboutVaccines-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Unsubscribe: TruthAboutVaccines-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
Chris O

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9a. allergies?? (was - Re: Duck)
Posted by: "Katie" kcrockett@mac.com kcrockettla7
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:55 pm ((PDT))

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thanks for the feedback . . . but i'm a little lost . . . you say I can maybe put of "dealing
with the disease for a little while" - what kind of disease are you referring to??

...katie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, ginny wilken <gwilken@...> wrote:
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> Okay.... It is highly unlikely that these are true food allergies,
> and for that reason they should do very well on the same proteins raw
> and unprocessed. What they may have is chronic disease from previous
> insults - which is to say their immune systems are overly reactive.
> If, and maybe even not if, you can find foods that do not make them
> itch, you can put off dealing with the disease within for a while.
> But it will continue to cause problems for them. You might wish to do
> some reading on homeopathy and how it works to help the body readjust
> itself after the insults of poor food and drugs. In the meantime,
> remember that their "allergies" are not to foods, really, but the
> foods are just the triggers. That's why they keep changing, because
> it doesn't really matter to the body, which will show symptoms
> paradoxically no matter what gyrations you go through with the diet.
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> If it's from the food, they will stop itching. If they don't stop
> itching, it's a sign to you to go beyond diet. Whatever you do, do
> not use steroids or other drugs like antihistamines. These will
> really set them back.
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9b. Re: allergies?? (was - Re: Duck)
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 11:47 pm ((PDT))

On Aug 2, 2007, at 9:47 PM, Katie wrote:

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> thanks for the feedback . . . but i'm a little lost . . . you say I
> can maybe put of "dealing
> with the disease for a little while" - what kind of disease are you
> referring to??
>
> ...katie

Homeopathy works on the premise that there is only one big collective
chronic "dis-ease", or dysfunction, if you will, of the body and mind
as a whole. This notion goes way back to the ancient Greeks and
before, and is the foundation of all medicine, even the allopathic
stuff, which has gotten rather full of itself in the last few hundred
years. That one big disease causes all of the other symptoms we see,
which are what western medicine calls diseases or illnesses. Rather
than fighting off and suppressing the symptoms we see with drugs and
goops, homeopathy show the body how to retune itself and stop showing
the symptoms.

In your dog's case, she has been made to be digestively sensitive
because her body, through inheritance or character, has a
predilection to show its weakness in the digestive tract. That
predilection has been stirred to express itself by something like,
oh, say, distemper vaccine, or ivermectin, or parvo vaccine, and so
she shows the systemic distress through it. But it's not the disease
itself, just a symptom of what's wrong with her. There will be others
- other "events", other "illnesses" - as time goes by, all related to
her systemic weakness. That is her chronic disease, and it will color
her whole life. An excellent homeopath can analyze all her collective
symptoms and predilections, and advise a homeopathic remedy which
will excite her body to respond and cure itself.

Boy, sure sounds like hocus-pocus sometimes, but when you think about
it, it makes sense. When people get headaches or allergies all the
time, they are not separate events; it's easy to see that they are
somehow weak and vulnerable. That vulnerability is not cast in stone,
and we and our dogs need not die of all the big and little symptoms
it generates.

Hope that helps some. If you need more, ask, and I'll send some
links. In the meantime, feed her well, and don't worry.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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10a. Re: How many lbs. can you fit into a standard refrigerator?
Posted by: "temy1102" tammy.a.jp@gmail.com temy1102
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:58 pm ((PDT))

I did! 100+ pounds!! I'm a little scared.... but excited. We also
have a little chest fridge that keeps thing just barely above frozen,
so I figure what doesn't fit can go in there. And if I'm left with
piles of rapidly defrosting raw meat, well then, it's an emergency
situation and I will just HAVE to buy one of those coveted chest freezers!

Thanks for the advice!

Tammy & Grover (it felt weird using correct punctuation for once.)

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11a. old dog and arthritis / cheap food / benefits of raw
Posted by: "financialcongratulatory" jess.hamway@gmail.com financialcongratulatory
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:58 pm ((PDT))

Hi everyone!

I'm just wondering what the best diet is to help with arthritis? I've
been giving my sheperd mix supplements with glucosamine, chondroitin
and MSM and have yet to see any benefits, although it's only been a
month. Any ideas?

Also I mostly feed my dog whole chicken and ground beef, as those are
the most inexpensive food sources I can find. Now and then I'll give
him lamb if I see a good price, and I give him small bits of liver a
few times a week. Does that sound adequate? And where do you go to get
such good prices? It seems like I've been spending way too much on his
food, maybe about $25 a week.

Also my dog is around 70 pounds, how many pouds should I be feeding
him? I usually just give him one big chunk of food a day, and he seems
to be satisfied. He's not as skinny as I would like, although he did
lose a lot once I put him on raw, but it's really hard to get those
last few pounds off.

Lastly, I saw someone post about worries so I would like to say a few
good things about the raw diet. My dog seems to be the perfect
candidate... whereas whenever I switched his kibble food he would be
sick without question, when I switched him over to raw cold turkey he
didn't have any digestive upsets. One issue was vomiting because he
would eat so fast, but freezing took care of that and he doesn't get
sick anymore even if it's not frozen. He also took to it immediately
and absolutely loved it, I've heard some dogs take a while to adjust.
His teeth look marvelous and the weight came right off. He also had a
bald spot on his nose where his skin was peeling and that cleared
right up within one month. He also doesn't have any skin problems or
urinary infections anymore, which is a great relief. Skin problems
(frequent hot spots, mostly) was the biggest issue when he was on
kibble. Also when he was on kibble he pooped CONSTANTLY, it was
ridiculous, he would basically poop every time you walked him -
sometimes 4 times a day! Now he goes once a day, although lately it's
been even less, I'm not sure why although he hasn't been getting as
much bone which might be one reason. Now that he's on it and I see how
easy it is, I don't think I'll ever go back to kibble!

Thanks so much everyone.

Jessica and Toby

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11b. Re: old dog and arthritis / cheap food / benefits of raw
Posted by: "Greta Hill" GretaHill@aol.com sunstate23
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 3:50 am ((PDT))

I've been giving my sheperd mix supplements with glucosamine,
chondroitin and MSM and have yet to see any benefits, although it's
only been a month. Any ideas? >>

The two arthritic dogs I've switched to raw showed improvements around
2-3 months. The first girl was almost 12 and retained that improvement
the rest of her life. The second girl was 6 when I got her and switched
her to raw, and while the biggest improvement was noticeable at that 2-
3 month mark, she has continued to improve over the last two years :)
She also gets cosequin, chiropractic adjustments, daily exercise and is
kept at a lean weight.

HTH!

Greta

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12a. dog eats grass
Posted by: "financialcongratulatory" jess.hamway@gmail.com financialcongratulatory
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:58 pm ((PDT))

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Hey again,
My dog grazes like a cow whenever he's in the yard, and has done so
ever since he was a pup. Anyone know what's up with that?

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12b. Re: dog eats grass
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 11:49 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/2/2007 9:59:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jess.hamway@gmail.com writes:

My dog grazes like a cow whenever he's in the yard, and has done so
ever since he was a pup. Anyone know what's up with that?

***some dogs graze, some don't..

some dogs throw up after grazing.. some don't.
some dogs that graze poop brown grass.. some don't.

it's that simple.
Catherine R.

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13. All these non-problems
Posted by: "temy1102" tammy.a.jp@gmail.com temy1102
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 11:01 pm ((PDT))

Grover doesn't throw up fish anymore.

Tod finally stopped having diarrhea after several months of eating
raw. I think it lasted so long because he's an old guy.

The puppies also stopped having diarrhea and mucus-wrapped poops after
a month of raw and some slippery elm.

Tod has been going up and down stairs this week for the first time in
years!

Grover and I were taking a nap today and I think she farted in my
mouth. :(

The girl puppy has stopped eating only every other day, and actually
SCARFS her food down when I put it in front of her! It really helped
when I stopped feeding them twice a day.

The fatty boy puppy gagged down his food, puked it up, and ate it
again. I didn't even raise an eyebrow.

Yes. At the risk of tempting fate, I want to let any concerned
newbies know that I have no problems right now. Any problems I had
just took a little tinkering, sometimes a lot of time, and a lot of
judicial "wait and see."

Tammy & Grover

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14a. Re: May be dumb math question but...
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 11:02 pm ((PDT))

"Eventually you may find
that you're feeding a couple ginormous meals, and most days he doesn't
eat (or barely eats). Many dogs seem to find this more satisfying, and
obsess less about food when fed this way."

I get it. Let him eat the amount he wants and he'll regulate himself. Well, I'm the provider so I guess I'll give him what we have at the moment and make sure he gets enough for the week. I'm not going to give him the chance to overeat as he'll probably vomit afterwards. It's like people who have eating disorders.

Ivette

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15a. Re: Costs of Raw Feeding
Posted by: "Me" earthmoontide@yahoo.com.au earthmoontide
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 3:50 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cherie Ferebee
<oceanbaylabradors@...> wrote:
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<ship> Any info would be greatly apreciated!!
>
> Thanks BUnches!
> Cherie

My local butcher does a rough mince of chicken carcass for $1.50AUS
per kg, and my local supermarket sells intact chicken carcasses for
$1.99AUS kg.

What I like about it, is I know the meat is 'clean' without worms or
ground tumours, or any nasty bits, as it's the leftovers from human
grade meat.

Cheers,
Caz.

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