[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11875

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: HELP! Freaking out here with my mini-doxie
From: marblekallie

2a. Re: Effect of Raw Food Eating on Canine Cataracts?
From: ginny wilken
2b. Effect of Raw Food Eating on Canine Cataracts?
From: brenda
2c. Re: Effect of Raw Food Eating on Canine Cataracts?
From: temy1102
2d. Re: Effect of Raw Food Eating on Canine Cataracts?
From: ychinook

3a. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
From: cmhausrath

4. Lost group info - O/T
From: Me

5a. Immunisation - O/T - Error
From: Me
5b. Re: Immunisation - O/T - Error
From: ginny wilken

6a. Re: chicken skin and oil
From: doreenchui
6b. Re: chicken skin and oil
From: ginny wilken

7a. How many lbs. can you fit into a standard refrigerator?
From: temy1102
7b. Re: How many lbs. can you fit into a standard refrigerator?
From: cmhausrath

8a. Re: all these problems
From: halojo45
8b. all these problems
From: Ivette Casiano

9a. HELP! Just starting out -- they refused to eat it!!!!
From: Cynthia Brown
9b. Re: HELP! Just starting out -- they refused to eat it!!!!
From: Jenny S
9c. Re: HELP! Just starting out -- they refused to eat it!!!!
From: magolin0328

10a. Re: Directory for Pro-Raw Food / Holistic Vets ???
From: Cynthia Brown

11a. Feeding Dogs Livestock Afterbirth
From: corgihouse62
11b. Re: Feeding Dogs Livestock Afterbirth
From: mousegirls

12. Re: ]Re: Help! Diarrhea! Answers to your Questions
From: Ivette Casiano

13a. Costs of Raw Feeding
From: Cherie Ferebee
13b. Re: Costs of Raw Feeding
From: cmhausrath

14a. Re: raw feeding my cat
From: linoleum5017

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1a. Re: HELP! Freaking out here with my mini-doxie
Posted by: "marblekallie" marble@pipeline.com marblekallie
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 4:55 pm ((PDT))

Hi:

Don't worry, I felt the same a few years ago. I was sure that chicken
bones would pierce those delicate new intestines, so I consider your
anxiety totally normal.

FWIW I have 4 mini dachsies I feed raw. The youngest was 3 months a
month a go when I started her out. I was astonished what she could
put away. I gave her chicken (all parts) then goat, beef, liver,
heart, kidney, tripe. Some were consumable bones, some, like ribs
were really meaty meat which had to be ripped off the bone. Her
stools have been perfect. The only anxious moment was when she tried
to swallow a really large piece. It went down, but was uncomfortable
for a moment before it came up again and was re-chewed and then
swallowed again. A minute or so later, everything was fine. We will
be trying some mackrel soon.

The others have been eating raw meaty bones and fish for close to 4
years, and apart from the occasional mistake by me giving the wrong
size of bone (which subsequently gets stuck in the back teeth and
which mom has to remove with her patented method), I have had no
problems. You will be so happy when those milk teeth come out when
they are supposed to along with those pearly whites and clean breath.
Don't forget the ease of picking up those unoffensive little ppops as
an added bonus to the good health you are promoting.

Philippa Jordan
New York City

> He chewed it and I
> heard the bones cracking but it didn't seem he chewed that long and
> swallowed them pretty quickly. Now I'm freaking out that his tummy
may
> get ruptured! Should I be concerned here or as long as it went down
> his throat OK he'll be fine??
>

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2a. Re: Effect of Raw Food Eating on Canine Cataracts?
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 4:57 pm ((PDT))

On Aug 2, 2007, at 1:47 PM, Cynthia Brown wrote:

> In their book Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health for
> Dogs & Cats, the doctors say that non-accident related cataracts
> are sometimes an "accompaniment of chronic disease and immune
> disorders". By my reasoning, if a raw diet can eliminate disease
> and improve overall systemic health ... and, if non-accident
> related cataracts are a symptom of the disease that has been
> eliminated -- VOILA, no more cataracts.

Yes, wonderful where it works. But "chronic disease" and "immune
disorders" are, by definition, not simple matters of malnutrition.
Where they are, then food will fix it - up to the point where the
system simply has no more bright ideas about how to fix itself. These
terms are best reserved for the sort of "endless loop" diseases,
where functions just don't do what they should - tissues being
attacked, digestion being incomplete, nerves failing because of
injury to the myelin sheath - these are not simply repaired with food.

Pitcairn was referring to homeopathic chronic disease, and so am I.
When diet has done all it can, one needs to look further, to this
marvelous science which can give the body guidance - nothing more,
nothing less - by which to repair its own dysfunction. Cataracts do
have a huge nutritional component, and they will show up in dogs with
a predilection to form them whenever they are stressed, whether by
food or drugs or mistreatment. But if they do not resolve by
providing an excellent diet, then there is still the possibility that
homeopathy can provide the clue the body needs to restore itself.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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2b. Effect of Raw Food Eating on Canine Cataracts?
Posted by: "brenda" brendanbreeze@hotmail.com breezenlexi
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 5:16 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Ivette Casiano <ivettecasiano@...>
wrote:
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> "Anyone have experience with cataract improvement since feeding their
dogs on the raw food plan?"
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> We have a Jack Russell. We have been feeding raw for almost a year
now and he is 13 years old. He was getting really stiff and acting old
but since going raw he has WAY more energy and plays and chases again.
But he is almost blind with cataracts and that has not changed. He had
ear problems but that has completely disappeared. His coat has softened
tremendously. He is a smooth coat but in bed he felt like a pocupine
but not so much now. Brenda
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2c. Re: Effect of Raw Food Eating on Canine Cataracts?
Posted by: "temy1102" tammy.a.jp@gmail.com temy1102
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 5:48 pm ((PDT))

no change that i can see in my oldie's slightly cloudy left eye, for
better or worse. but i'm okay with that, because now he goes up and
down stairs, something he hasn't done in YEARS.

tammy & grover & tod

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2d. Re: Effect of Raw Food Eating on Canine Cataracts?
Posted by: "ychinook" chinook.nr@tds.net ychinook
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 7:04 pm ((PDT))

I've had a little experience with cataracts so I thought I'd note what
little I know.

I've been through the lens replacement operation on both eyes and
adjusted my diet to try to prevent any further eye problems. Also my
five year old malamute Buddy Bear has congenital cataracts which
affect his direct frontal vision, but not his peripheral vision. Even
if one wanted cataract surgery by a veterinary specialist for their
dog, such is generally not done for congenital cataracts, so I've also
researched eye health diet issues for dogs.

I haven't found any solid scientific evidence of good diet reducing
cataracts, but a good diet has been found to help prevent further
deterioration in many cases.

Basically the diet information breaks down to sufficient omega-3 in
balance with omega-6, antioxidants, vitamins C and E, zinc and copper.
For Buddy Bear I don't consider plant based sources as a carnivore is
ill equipped to extract the nutrients from such. So the diet
components are:

Omega 6 and 3 balance of 5:1 or less
The best source is deep cold water fish but with todays pollution
and prices this can be a problem. Also, much of the red meat and
poultry in the supermarket is not grass fed/ free ranging and doesn't
contain enough omega-3. I add a quality salmon oil to my and my dog's
diet.

Antioxidants
A good source is egg yoke if I remember correctly.

Vitamins C and E
Canine physiology produces its own vitamin C. A good source of
vitamin E is liver, but don't overdo the liver because you don't want
to build up the fat soluble vitamins A, D, E and K.

Zinc
Good sources are oysters and hamberg.

Copper
Good sources are oysters and shell fish, kidneys and liver.

Hopefully others will clarify, add to and/or correct what I've said.

Best to you and yours,
Lee, Karen, Buddy Bear and Holly

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3a. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 5:00 pm ((PDT))

"spicemother" <spicemother@...> wrote:

> Are you able to feed bone every meal? I always give the thigh bones
> at every meal (twice a day) she likes them but for the first time in a
> month she threw a little piece of bone back up it scared me.

I do not feed bone every meal. I would guesstimate that my dog doesn't
eat bone more than once every couple days. When he gets more than
that, he does what your dog did: horks back up the offending bony
bits. It seems that, in his old age, he just can't process bones like
he used to. So I feed mostly meatymeat meals. It's not a big deal:
unlike kibble, raw feeding can be tweaked and adjusted to suit the
individual dog. That's what we've done, by adjusting to feed less
bone, and it's what you can do too.

If your dog feels that two thighs a day are too much bone, it's easy to
just feed something boneless for one of those meals. Remember that
only about 10% of the diet needs to be edible bone -- most of what
you're feeding should indeed be meat, fat, skin, and connective tissue.

-- sandy & griffin

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4. Lost group info - O/T
Posted by: "Me" earthmoontide@yahoo.com.au earthmoontide
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 5:40 pm ((PDT))

Hi - I've lost the details of a yahoo group I used to belong to. It
was a group that discussed dangers of immunising, and I need to ask
some advice. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks,
Caz.

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5a. Immunisation - O/T - Error
Posted by: "Me" earthmoontide@yahoo.com.au earthmoontide
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 5:41 pm ((PDT))

hi - I've just posted for information on a group about immunisations,
and have just realised that it wasn't immunisation - it was about
homoepathics for pets (that also discussed immunisation).

Can anyone help, please?

Thanks,
Caz.

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5b. Re: Immunisation - O/T - Error
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 5:48 pm ((PDT))

On Aug 2, 2007, at 5:30 PM, Me wrote:

> hi - I've just posted for information on a group about immunisations,
> and have just realised that it wasn't immunisation - it was about
> homoepathics for pets (that also discussed immunisation).
>
> Can anyone help, please?
>
> Thanks,
> Caz.

jstsayno2vaccs

TruthAboutVaccines

ClassicalHomeopathyPets

...all three do pretty much what you describe. So go find it!

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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6a. Re: chicken skin and oil
Posted by: "doreenchui" doreenchui@yeos.com doreenchui
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 5:41 pm ((PDT))

> > Is it true that chicken skin and the oil is good for their skin and
> > coat?
> *****
>
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> In the dogfood industy, chicken is almost certainly the primary
> animal protein, so it makes sense that chicken would be promoted as
> being especially useful for skin and coat.
> Chris O
>
Thanks for your reply.
My whippet seems to like chicken skin and fats. Can I add some onto his
beef meal?
Doreen

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6b. Re: chicken skin and oil
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 6:02 pm ((PDT))

On Aug 2, 2007, at 5:18 PM, doreenchui wrote:

>>> Is it true that chicken skin and the oil is good for their skin and
>>> coat?
>> *****
>>
>>
>> In the dogfood industy, chicken is almost certainly the primary
>> animal protein, so it makes sense that chicken would be promoted as
>> being especially useful for skin and coat.
>> Chris O
>>
> Thanks for your reply.
> My whippet seems to like chicken skin and fats. Can I add some onto
> his
> beef meal?
> Doreen

Doreen, note that Chris did not give you a yes or no answer:) Every
animal's fat is good in as far as it is part and parcel of the animal
fed. And given in proportion, it's just fine food. I suspect that the
folks thus promoting chicken fat are feeding or addressing those who
do feed kibble. Adding any raw fat to a diet woefully plentiful in
oxidized saturated fat will make a difference - the more inadequate
the diet, the easier to improve, eh?

So, I think your whippet's needs for fat are best met by feeding all
sorts of animal fats, and this might be easiest if you feed the same
fat as the animal, and even more so if it's attached. How about
chicken fat on the chicken, and beef fat on the beef, etc? Also note
that commercially fed chickens are pretty heavily biased away from
beneficial Omega 3's and high in the fairly useless Omega 6's. Along
with that comes the possibility of secondhand grain allergies,
through the poor diet of the prey. So, chicken is as chicken does,
and i think there are better fats to add if you need to supplement.
Think pork or lamb, the fatty cuts thereof as meals, and let beef day
be a low fat one. Or buy beef heart and feed the lovely coronary fat
that comes on it.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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7a. How many lbs. can you fit into a standard refrigerator?
Posted by: "temy1102" tammy.a.jp@gmail.com temy1102
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 5:41 pm ((PDT))

I once bought close to 30 lbs. at the store all at once, and it
surprised me how small it looked and how little space it took up. How
many lbs. do you think could fit into a completely empty, standard
side-by-side freezer and fridge? I was thinking at least a
hundred.... am I crazy? I wanted to place an order at socalbarf
today, now that I have a whole fridge just for the dog's food.

Tammy & Grover

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7b. Re: How many lbs. can you fit into a standard refrigerator?
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 8:17 pm ((PDT))

"temy1102" <tammy.a.jp@...> wrote:

> How
> many lbs. do you think could fit into a completely empty, standard
> side-by-side freezer and fridge? I was thinking at least a
> hundred.... am I crazy?

Nah, you're not crazy. I'm positive 100# would fit, though I don't
know how much would fit in the freezer & how much would be in the
fridge (as short-term storage only). Depends largely on the style of
the freezer, the form the food was in, and whether or not you have a
space-consuming icemaker.

I've always lived in 1-bedroom apartments with smallish (smaller
than "standard," I think) fridges. They easily hold 30-40# in the
freezer, even allowing a little room for people food, but the freezer
is traditionally a lot smaller than the fridge. I routinely keep at
least 10# of defrosted meat in the fridge (Griff prefers his food to
ripen a bit, so I pull plenty out of the freezer ahead of time), and
it only takes up one bottom drawer & shelf -- not even 20% of the
available fridge space.

Go for a big order, if there's still time!

-- sandy & griffin

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8a. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "halojo45" hanne@hajo.us halojo45
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 5:49 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "blacty" <Ty@...> wrote:
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> I am getting a little concerned about all these problems I keep
seeing
> in these posts. Am I going to have health problems to work out
> in the beginning or are these things just rare??
>
> Ty

Ty, my Berner boy, at 1yo was skinny, gaunt even, no energy, on 6
cups of Canidae/day. He weighed 116#, and even his vet was not
happy with his physique - too skinny, waayyyyy too skinny.
That made me research other possibilities, including homeopathy,
wholistic, organic, then raw, prey-type.
After about 6 months, I was ready to 'take the plunge'. I read
until the wee-hours to make sure I had covered every single aspect
and 'what if' ....
Holding my breath, I handed him his first RAW skinless, boneless,
chicken breast - he didn't touch it ! I then seared in in olive
oil, sprinkled with a tad of garlic powder .... voila - he ate it.
Same the next day. Then I left on the skin, but still seared. A
few days more of that, then I only sprinkled garlid powder on it,
but with the skin, AND the bones.
After I introduced another kind of protein, we never looked back -
and no more searing ....
The only thing he still won't eat is raw liver. But if its frozen,
it's a treat :-) Go figure. Chicken feet he also gets frozen as a
treat, as well as chunks of beef heart (with a bony meal).
My rescue Pyr girl was given raw as soon as she arrived - she now
sports brand-new luxurious hair (I say 'hair', because all of her
old fur is gone, and was replaced by something that only can be
described as resembling spun silk).
O yea - my boy, at 4-1/2yo, has gained pure, raw muscle, and
weighs in at 134#.
My little rescue Pyr girl, who has now been with us for a whole
year, gained over 15#, and filled out from an emaciated, bones-
sticking-out-everywhere, to a perfect, however petite, 85# loving
sweetheart.
This site has been for us, by far, the most precious and helpful
site that I have ever encountered.
I wish you all the best and hope that you will have as much success
with your beasties as most of us here do.
Hanne,
'Blaze', Fire on the Amazon, NDD, CGC, TD, TT (Bernese Mountain Dog)
'Zima', Urban's Platinum (Great Pyrenees Rescue - working on a
draft title :-)

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8b. all these problems
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 7:03 pm ((PDT))

"Am I going to have health problems to work out
in the beginning or are these things just rare??

Ty"

I just started feeding my 7 yr Lab raw a few months ago. There are some things we need to overcome and this list is helping and the benefits FAR outweigh the risks. Our dog was 118 lbs. when we first got him (way overweight) and his paw pads and elbow callouses were ashy white and rough. His tongue was also an ashy color, he limped, had cataracts and yellow teeth, needless to say, bad breath. After raw feeding, all these issues (except the cataracts) have been overcome. He is now a trim 100 lbs. and everything is soft and its appropriate color, including a more luxurious coat. He no longer limps and runs like crazy after the stick outside. So I think a little adjustment on our part is well worth it. Our Nugget is such a joy in our lives that I can't even think of not doing everything I can to make him healthy and live a longer quality life.
Keep reading and researching but start your dog on raw ASAP. The people on this list know what they're talking about and there are so many websites that have good information. Most of the problems you hear about here don't have to do with raw feeding, they're usually the owner's fears (as with me, I'm somewhat of a newbie too), a pre-existing condition in the pet or some other external issue or an allergy. As people react differently to certain foods, so do dogs. My dog had allergies to some commercial dog food. He hasn't shown allergies to any raw food yet and I've feed him chicken, lamb, pork, beef kidney, liver, heart, buffalo, raw eggs and codfish.
Good luck and do what's best for your animal companion Ty.
Ivette

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9a. HELP! Just starting out -- they refused to eat it!!!!
Posted by: "Cynthia Brown" temecula_lady@yahoo.com temecula_lady
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 5:49 pm ((PDT))

HELP!

My tribe of 3, looked at me tonight like I had grown 6 heads. Although I threw away ALL the kibble yesterday ... and last night fed them all boneless chicken breasts, which 2 of them ate ... not a one of them ate the chicken with bones presented tonight.

My 65-lb dog got 1/2 of a whole chicken ... My 12 lb. Llasa Apsa / Maltese mix got 1/4 of the same chicken ... and my 10 lb. Shih-Tzu got the other 1/4. Only the Shih-Tzu really tried to eat it ... then she lunged at it, barking. The other two just circled their dinner, and my Llasa tried to bury hers with the towel I had placed it on.

After about 20 minutes, I picked it all up, bagged it, and put it into the refrigerator for tomorrow. Do I wait until dinner time tomorrow ... or give them another shot in the morning? I know they won't starve themselves.

Some hand holding and encouragement right now would be nice!

Did I do "it" right?????

Cynthia ... owned by Duffy, Sophie, Tinkerbell
Temecula, CA

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9b. Re: HELP! Just starting out -- they refused to eat it!!!!
Posted by: "Jenny S" jenken69@shaw.ca jenken69
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 6:35 pm ((PDT))

Hi Cynthia
you did it just right they will quickly learn thats supper and they will come to look forward to it they are probly just a bit awed at the moment with the change . it did take a bit of time for my shiz tzu to realize thats all she was going to get and now looks forward to meals and eats it all up knowing she wont get anything else till next mealtime ,she knows when its mealtime and sits over by her towel and waits if im late with it..i felt bad at first feeling i was starving her but we are all better off now by it. As well teaching her Where she had to stay with her food, she liked to bring it into the liv room to gnaw on..ewwwww.. grossed out the family
Jenny S
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9c. Re: HELP! Just starting out -- they refused to eat it!!!!
Posted by: "magolin0328" maggie.taylor@artlover.com magolin0328
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 7:03 pm ((PDT))

It took Diesel a week to decide chicken was food and actually eat a
decent quantity of it. He'd eat just enough to keep himself going,
but not really full meals. I put it down just once a day. If he ate,
great, if not I just put it away for next time. It was frustrating
and kinda scary to watch him not eat much for a while, but I stuck
with it. It took a couple months before he decided he really liked
the whole raw thing. Now he chows down quite happily on most
everything. He won't really eat fish, but he'll eat anything else.
He now does his happy dance at dinner time.

You did fine. They'll get it eventually!

Maggie
Diesel, SDIT

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10a. Re: Directory for Pro-Raw Food / Holistic Vets ???
Posted by: "Cynthia Brown" temecula_lady@yahoo.com temecula_lady
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 6:33 pm ((PDT))

Thank you so much.

Cynthia

pine243 <pine243@yahoo.com> wrote:
Here's a link to the American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association:
http://www.holisticvetlist.com/

They have a search function on that page that allows you to search for
holistic vets whether you want one in a certain
state/country/specialty et cetera. The results of the search will give
the vets name, address, and sometimes a link to their webpage.

Laurie

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11a. Feeding Dogs Livestock Afterbirth
Posted by: "corgihouse62" CorgisDo2@aol.com corgihouse62
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 6:34 pm ((PDT))

Its rare for me to ask questions, but does anyone who raises livestock
feed their dogs the afterbirth? I've been feeding raw for 7 years now.
I raise Miniature Donkeys and the dogs think it's the best treat when a
baby donkey is born and they get to eat the afterbirth.(at least thats
whay I call it) I have a Golden Retriever and 3 Pem.Corgis. They love
it! They got to have some this morning. My sister almost puked when she
saw this for the first time.(that was funny) Does anyone else do
this?

Karen and her gang

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11b. Re: Feeding Dogs Livestock Afterbirth
Posted by: "mousegirls" mousegirls@gmail.com ladysown
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 9:02 pm ((PDT))

I grew up on the farm with the dogs there doing the same thing with the
cows. Doesn't hurt 'em so I figure why not? Dad always said though...
make sure they aren't around when the animals are calving/foaling etc
because some dogs will get a bit over-exurberant and may damage the
off-spring or bother mamma too much.

Annette

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12. Re: ]Re: Help! Diarrhea! Answers to your Questions
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 6:36 pm ((PDT))

"we don't pesticide our lawn at backyard and,I did not think it was hurmful but anyone can post why she relate /suspecting the eating grass to parasite preoblem?

Because parasites may be anywhere in your lawn or on bugs your pet may eat.

Ivette

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13a. Costs of Raw Feeding
Posted by: "Cherie Ferebee" oceanbaylabradors@yahoo.com oceanbaylabradors
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 7:02 pm ((PDT))

Okay guys,
I am really wanting to make the switch. I was just sitting here writing down how much meat (based on th 2-3% of body weight) for each of my six dogs. I would end up using 11 pounds of food daily. Thats 77 lbs per week!!! I currently spend $40 per week on kibble. During hunting seasons (as long as my dad gets a critter this year) it won't be as bad. Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions on finding meat that is cheap? Preferably no more than $50 a week. Should I fast one day a week or no? (THis would cut down by 11 pounds). I have read some info that says to fast and other info that says not to fast. Any info would be greatly apreciated!!

Thanks BUnches!
Cherie

PS- When cleaning deer, what parts are okay for my dogs to eat and what parts are not okay? I think the less we waste the better, but I don't want to endanger them! Thanks again!

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13b. Re: Costs of Raw Feeding
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 8:51 pm ((PDT))

Cherie Ferebee <oceanbaylabradors@...> wrote:

> I was just sitting here writing down how much meat (based on th 2-
> 3% of body weight) for each of my six dogs. I would end up using
> 11 pounds of food daily. Thats 77 lbs per week!!!

The last time you posted you had 7 dogs -- which one do you no longer
have? I just did a quick guesstimate based on that post and came up
with 11 pounds a day, counting all 7 dogs. Point being, I think
people tend to overestimate initially how much their dogs need,
mostly -- big dogs like your labs tend toward the low end of 2-3%.
So it may well not be 11 pounds a day, when you actually get going.

> Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions on finding meat that is
> cheap? Preferably no more than $50 a week.

Giselle posts her compilation of suggestions about once a month ...
like here:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/132495

I have never had a problem averaging $1 a pound or less to feed my
dog. I do not buy in bulk, because I don't have the freezer space; I
buy almost exclusively from grocery stores. Nor have I had to pay
$200 for a dental in the 4 years since I started raw feeding. My
overall veterinary bills have plummeted in that time. Even if $1 a
pound is the best you can do -- which it shouldn't be -- please bear
in mind that you have a large number of large dogs. Their veterinary
bills -- at a minimum, for the annual or every-other-year dental
cleaning -- could be staggering from all the kibble-related problems -
- OR their food bills could be moderately more than they are now,
while their health improves significantly. Is it really a question?

> Should I fast one day a week or no? (THis would cut down by 11
> pounds).

No it won't. Fasting doesn't mean the dog eats less overall -- it
just means you feed more the other 6 days a week. Don't leave your
common sense out of the equation: if you skip a meal, don't you tend
to eat more at the next one? I certainly do.

Anyway, there's little point to just randomly fasting. If you want
to feed more naturally -- big meals infrequently -- that's a splendid
idea. (I posted on it earlier today; look there for more details.)
There is, however, little to recommend an artificial one-day-a-week
fast for the sake of fasting.

> PS- When cleaning deer, what parts are okay for my dogs to eat and
> what parts are not okay? I think the less we waste the better, but
> I don't want to endanger them!

For a second there I thought you meant the deer -- no, certainly no
worries about endangering THEM, at least not here on the east coast.
We're about overrun.

Deer should be 100% feedable. I would probably take away barenekkid
leg bones after they've been stripped, but otherwise, it's all part
of the critter, and all good eatin'.

-- sandy & griffin

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14a. Re: raw feeding my cat
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 7:04 pm ((PDT))

Jeni,

You've encouraged me in the past, so now it's my turn. I have the one
dog, and also a cat. Max the cat liked chicken, but then ate too much
and vomited it, then wouldn't touch raw for a while. I've learned
that a *little* kibble in with the raw was a good enticement. He
wasn't eating 'nothing' if he chose not to eat the rawfood, but he was
hungry, which provided the motivation to try again. Frozen ocean
smelts were a good choice, too, if I raked them a bit to expose the
flesh. Now he has gotten over his initial pickiness about all raw,
and chomps away with the best of them. Do what you can to give Lucky
some kibble sustenance, (but only barely,) and plenty of fresh, meaty
meat to remind him of who God made him to be, a carnivore! I'm still
looking myself for more sources of bone, and Shannon gave me a few
websites. Check the last few days' messages for websites.

Lynne

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Jeni" <jonjeni777@...> wrote:
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>my husband,John and our cat Lucky, who is living up to his name,
lucky we let him live here. I have been trying to switch him over to
raw with no success, I know very little about this, and was wondering
if there are any books on the subject matter that someone could refer
me too, that would help.??

> Jeni
>

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