[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11879

There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
From: Ivette Casiano
1b. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
From: rosey031801

2a. Re: question from a new member--- male not eating
From: Jenny S
2b. Re: question from a new member--- male not eating
From: John and Jeni Blackmon
2c. Re: question from a new member--- male not eating
From: jennifer mcfaden

3a. Re: ]Re: grass eating and parasite
From: Ivette Casiano

4.1. Re: all these problems
From: Ivette Casiano
4.2. Re: all these problems
From: Giselle

5a. Re: All these non-problems
From: Ivette Casiano

6a. more non-problems
From: Ivette Casiano

7a. The theories behind veggies & fruit
From: Naomi Bjorgan
7b. Re: The theories behind veggies & fruit
From: costrowski75

8. Kudo's for Raw
From: Linda

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1a. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 7:29 pm ((PDT))

<<Calcium is not the cure for joint diseases, glucosamine and condroitin in
their natural form are. Some folks comfort themselves by adding suppliments, but
in my experience they are not as effective as getting it naturally through
the diet.>>

Thank you all for your responses. I agree with your advice and think I'll continue to feed him what I'm feeding him. He only limps when he has run after the frisbee or has run around outside a lot in a short period of time. That's why we're keeping him very trim and slim. He normally doesn't limp. I feed him some bone, cartilage included in every meal.

Ivette Casiano
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1b. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
Posted by: "rosey031801" rosey031801@sbcglobal.net rosey031801
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 7:49 pm ((PDT))

I didn't see the whole post here but I can add my dogs experience. He
was hit by a car at an early age, he's at least ten now. I can see the
arthritis pain coming back if he doesn't get bone for three days.
Before switching to raw meat he had to take drugs for pain, now he
rarely needs them. He gets bone and lots of it daily.
thanks,
Cheryl

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2a. Re: question from a new member--- male not eating
Posted by: "Jenny S" jenken69@shaw.ca jenken69
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 7:29 pm ((PDT))

Hi Jennifer
the odd time ive been a bit worried a couple times when Tila wont eat though sometimes I think its from the heat or she just dossent want to eat but hubby worries she will starve (hahaha he thinks he is a tuff guy and pretends he dossent like having a dog ) he will sneak behind my back and sear it just a bit to bring out the flavor and smells. He babies her and spoils her worse than I do . she will eat it then without a problem and he dossent do this to often.

Jenny S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfMJXz3AvKI (doggy napkin)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L34YjdBCu8I( Fun in the pool) way to funny..

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2b. Re: question from a new member--- male not eating
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 8:39 pm ((PDT))

Jennifer,
We need alittle more info, how long on the raw diet? What are you feeding normally? If you did get him to eat SOME chicken, he's probably ok, but what would he normally eat? If not the chicken? Has the outside temp changed, is it hotter than usual? Did you add any other animals to the mix? Is there anything new in the house, people? We need a little more to help you out. Give more, we can give Lots:)
Jeni

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2c. Re: question from a new member--- male not eating
Posted by: "jennifer mcfaden" cadet972@yahoo.com cadet972
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 9:32 pm ((PDT))

John,
He been on a partial raw diet for about two year, full raw about 6 months. He usually get frozen turkey or bison bones. and my homemade raw turkey balls (frozen in summer). usually when he gets it he a cruncher, he seat by the tree and crunch crunch the bone or chicken quarter away, then steal his sister's who kennel with him. he ate about half of a small chicken quarter last night only after I play with it as if it still alive and got his interest in it. (but, he was a bit work up last night.) tonight he just acted depressed I gave him a bison bone with meat on it, his personal favorite he just lick at it.

the girls are about to go into heat next month and been giving him a hard time by monting him and geting him work up. I not been home as much this week because I been try to get an LPN job now I passed boards. I know this week is going to be hell for the whole pack it hitting 100's. tomarrow I going to try mackeral his (the girl are in heat strick food) i use it to break his hunger stricks when he throughs them.

I just thought of this could he got a wild bird or some thing similuare that did not agree with his system and thrown him off his feed. he climbs trees and will hunt them like a cat. I know he did not fall out of the tree or I think that. I have something like a net around just in case,lol. ( like you see under a tight robe act.

jennifer

Jennifer McFaden
Free Spirit Kennel of Virginia

www.freewebs.com/temberwolf2781

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3a. Re: ]Re: grass eating and parasite
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 7:31 pm ((PDT))

<<I should interfere when my dog start munching on grasses?>>

I think, like everything else, if you don't put pesticides in your grass, and everything else is natural and you're feeding your dog a well balanced raw diet, he will probably get rid of all parasites he might ingest.
I usually stop my Nugget from eating the grass but if he really really needs it he'll sneak off and eat some anyway and then throw up.
How often does your dog graze?

Ivette Casiano
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4.1. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 8:40 pm ((PDT))

<<I'm a long time raw feeder >>

Merril, you made me laugh with the puppy swallowing the chicken necks story. I've been feeding Nugget (100lbs Lab) raw for about 2 months with no problem except that he gulps his food. Once he threw up a bone the next morning that he had swallowed the evening before but he was fine with that, I guess it just didn't go one way so it had to come out the other way. Today I had a different problem and I suspect it was due to my stupidity. Nugget threw up his entire dinner and again, slimy water, no smell, no color. None of his vomit had bad smell to it and he had just gone out and I suspect had eaten grass to throw up.
Background info - I've been feeding him chicken and lamb, no probelm. Tried beef kidney and finally got him to eat it a little frozen, no problem. I guess I got excited and bought pork necks, fish, liver, buffalo. Gave him fish one day this week, no problem, the next day pork neck, no problem, today chicken and 2 1/2 oz. liver, 4 hours later vomit. Did I get over zealous and feed too many different new things in one week? Or did I feed too much liver. I heard you couldn't give them too much liver at once, I thought that amount was small enough, was I wrong?
Anybody else is welcomed to chime in with your knowledge and experience.

Ivette Casiano
"Live for today, plan for tomorrow"

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4.2. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 9:00 pm ((PDT))

We have those????? LOL

Been raw feeding on my own for a long time, and on this list for a few
months, but din't know we could even get a 'dose of uneventful'. ; )

Ty - Why this list is here, and why you see so many posts and
responses about possible, or perceived problems, is because people
need and want help. And they want the **very best** help and advice on
species appropriate raw nutrition for their critters, after finally
figuring out that the 'complete and balanced and nutritious and all
your dog will ever need for the rest of his life' kibbles and highly
advertised commercial foods out there - aren't.

Understanding and support from more experienced peers is a marvelous
thing; is there any question why people feel comfortable posting here
about eating habits, poops, vomit, goopy ears, bad breath, dirty
teeth, gummy eyes, itchy skin, ugly haircoats, smelly farts, et al, to
get help from others who *don't* find these subjects icky, or
disgusting, but interesting enough to base whole conversations on?
: )
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> *****
> Hey, do you think it's time to have another "don't nobody bring me no
> bad news" day? Sounds like we might need a dose of uneventful.
> Chris O
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5a. Re: All these non-problems
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 8:40 pm ((PDT))

<<...slippery elm soothes the intestines...>
Tammy, how much slippery elm would I have to give a 100lbs dog?

Ivette Casiano
"Live for today, plan for tomorrow"

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6a. more non-problems
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 8:40 pm ((PDT))

<<...So far, that seems to be the case. I haven't seen a flea all summer,
and I live in Florida! ...>>

Stephany, it's so good to hear of these other benefits as consequences of raw feeding especially since I live in Florida too and we are in the country where all sorts of creatures abound.

Ivette Casiano
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7a. The theories behind veggies & fruit
Posted by: "Naomi Bjorgan" ngbjorgan@gmail.com ngbjorgan
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 8:40 pm ((PDT))

Hello,

What is the research around digested fruit and veggies for dogs from
animal carcasses? Should a small amount of veggies be included which
are ground or lightly cooked? If so how much and how often?

Thanks,

Naomi

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7b. Re: The theories behind veggies & fruit
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 9:28 pm ((PDT))

Naomi Bjorgan <ngbjorgan@...> wrote:

> What is the research around digested fruit and veggies for dogs
from
> animal carcasses?
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There is no research. There is observational misinterpretation
however. Wolves do not make a point of eating stomach contents.
When eating large prey, wolves generally shake the contents out, then
eat the stomach tissue itself. They may (or may not) eat the
intestines, but field research clearly indicates they do not eat the
stomach contents. Since small prey is usually eaten quickly and
whole (sort of lupine fast food), the stomach and intestinal contents
are likely to be eaten. Before using this as support for processing
vegetation though, keep in mind that bunny tummies would hold
grasses, seeds and small browse and, being small, would not hold very
much of anything.

L. David Mech (possibly the premier researcher and chronicler of the
gray wolf--of which our dogs are subspecies) wrote I believe that
perhaps people confuse the general place called stomach with the
specific organ called stomach. Wolves may indeed enter the carcass
through the thinner unprotected flesh of the underbelly. But this is
the "stomach" in the broader sense of anatomy (similar in use to, fer
instance, the "rump" or the "haunch"), not the actual, digestive
stomach.

So any notion of feeding processed vegetation to emulate life and
death in the wild is at best a romantic notion.

Should a small amount of veggies be included which
> are ground or lightly cooked? If so how much and how often?
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Wolves have no nutritional need for vegetation. Carbohydrates are
not part of a dog's food pyramid. A dog's whole nutritional shebang
is built on fat and protein. So the answer is no.

No small of amount of veggies, not ground nor lightly cooked, nor
canned nor frozen. They are not necessary and you can comfortably
feed them never.

If however you WANT to feed them, go ahead. Many people here keep
their dirty little secret to themselves <lol> but the fact is--if you
want to play with veggies, go for it. I recommend you not let them
hog the menu (that space in the belly could better be filled by
meat), and you ought not let the processing so complicate your
rawfeeding efforts that you give up the whole thing.
Chris O

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8. Kudo's for Raw
Posted by: "Linda" aumicapa@peoplepc.com micap12000
Date: Fri Aug 3, 2007 9:30 pm ((PDT))

I mostly browse but I have to say that raw feeding has changed me and
my GSD Ginger. I started raw the first week of July. No runny stool, a
tad of vomiting, over in 2 days. Ginger is 4 and acted 6. Her itchy
skin is easing up, her stool is small and less often but the best thing
is the light in her eyes. She just looks younger and happier! Any one
on the fence about raw feeding needs to jump right in. I am certianly
glad that I did. Thank you everyone for the wealth of information and
knowledge in this group.
I'll be around!
Linda and Ginger

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