[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11882

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Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Re-check on fish oil amounts
From: costrowski75
1b. Re: Re-check on fish oil amounts
From: inavioletworld
1c. Re: Re-check on fish oil amounts
From: c_lindaberry
1d. Re: [rawfeeding} loose stool
From: GloribelR

2a. Physical Symptoms Since Starting Raw
From: Eve
2b. Re: Physical Symptoms Since Starting Raw
From: costrowski75
2c. Re: Physical Symptoms Since Starting Raw
From: Eve
2d. Re: Physical Symptoms Since Starting Raw
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: Flies!!!
From: kennramas
3b. Re: Flies!!!
From: r ej

4. Grocery chicken and Turkey
From: Yasuko herron

5a. chicken quarters
From: esmolensky

6a. Just started yesterday
From: lmclaen
6b. Re: Just started yesterday
From: katkellm
6c. Re: Just started yesterday
From: c_lindaberry

7a. Labels on meat
From: Greta Hill
7b. Re: Labels on meat
From: c_lindaberry
7c. Re: Labels on meat
From: costrowski75
7d. Re: Labels on meat
From: Morledzep@aol.com

8a. Quantity to feed?
From: harrynala
8b. Re: Quantity to feed?
From: c_lindaberry

9. Jack/Chi Mix Acts Like He's Afraid Of New Foods!
From: ahomebasedbiz

10. dog won't eat liver & ?? re: bones...
From: Terri Leist

11a. Re: Upset stomach
From: doreenchui

12a. Re: Raw Guidelines? -- Any No-No's ???
From: linoleum5017

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1a. Re: Re-check on fish oil amounts
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 8:55 am ((PDT))

"diannem200400" <diannem200400@...> wrote:
>
> I recall a post that talked about specific "therapeutic" amounts of
> fish oil to feed if, for example, you have a dog with severe
allergies
> and are trying to boost the immune system.
*****
The notion is thus:
--1000mg fish oil (180 EPA and 120 DHA) per 10lb of dog
for "therapeutic" use.

--1000mg (180/120) per 30lb (or 20lb) of dog for "maintenance".

I think it said to feed daily 100mg per 10 lbs of body weight.
> So, that would be 12 of the 1200mg capsules per day for a 120 lb dog,
> right?
*****
1000mg capsule.
If you are using a "single" strength (180mgEPA/120mgDHA) product, you
would give one 1000mg capsule per 10lb of dog so yes 12 capsules would
be correct. This is of course a recommended amount, but they don't
call it therapeutic for nothing.

It might be easier/cheaper for you to dose with a liquid salmon oil
instead.
Chris O

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1b. Re: Re-check on fish oil amounts
Posted by: "inavioletworld" inavioletworld@yahoo.com inavioletworld
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 4:25 pm ((PDT))

Dianne,

I don't think 12 x 1200mg is correct.

My holistic vet said to give my dog who is almost 60lbs TWO 1000mg capsules (so
2000mg total) a day. I used a high quality brand (solgar)

My dog was getting loose stools from them and they didn't seem to help with the allergies,
so I had decided to stop giving them. (I might go back and just do 1 capsule a day)
I imagine that amt of fish oil you mentioned (12 x 1200mg) would give your dog explosive
diarreah. Oil isn't the same as just adding fish to the diet, If you use fish, fish has bone
and flesh and organ to balance the oils. I would be very careful not to add too much of oils
especially at once, you should work up to the amt gradually.

For a Great Dane I would think maybe 4 capsules a day would be tolerated well?

:) Julie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "diannem200400" <diannem200400@...> wrote:
>
> I recall a post that talked about specific "therapeutic" amounts of
> fish oil to feed if, for example, you have a dog with severe allergies
> and are trying to boost the immune system. Now I can't find that
> post. I think it said to feed daily 100mg per 10 lbs of body weight.
> So, that would be 12 of the 1200mg capsules per day for a 120 lb dog,
> right? (Obviously, my math skills are deficient) That seems like an
> awful lot of fish oil!
>
> Dianne M.
>

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1c. Re: Re-check on fish oil amounts
Posted by: "c_lindaberry" c_lindaberry@yahoo.com c_lindaberry
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 5:15 pm ((PDT))

> My dog was getting loose stools from [2 caps/day] and they didn't
seem to help with the allergies,
> so I had decided to stop giving them. (I might go back and just do 1
capsule a day)
> I imagine that amt of fish oil you mentioned (12 x 1200mg) would
give your dog explosive
> diarreah.

In this, like almost everything else, it depends so much on the dog.
My 80lbs inhalant allergy boy gets 4 1000mg caps a day which he
handles without the faintest sign of loose stool. I've given him 6 at
once and had no problems, and I bet I could give him more if I wished
to without causing a mess.

It's important to remember that it can take 3-6 weeks before O3/fish
oil will even START to help out with allergy issues. It can be three
months before you're looking at the maximum improvement it's going to
give you. It's a long time to wait and not see any improvement
(luckily I never had bowel problems thrown into too!) but for me at
least, it's been worth it since I have been able to wean him off the
high doses of benadryl(diphenhydramine HCl) he needed before that and
was able to avoid steroid shots completely.

Know thy dog.
Crystal and the Zoo

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1d. Re: [rawfeeding} loose stool
Posted by: "GloribelR" gloribelr@yahoo.com gloribelr
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 6:59 pm ((PDT))

I have a 4 month old Australian Cattle Dog and I am thinking about going to the raw diet but I have a question. As of yesterday he has had loose stools and I have no idea why. I haven't even started the diet yet. He got his second booster for parvo yesterday and I was wondering would that had made his stomach upset? Any help will be very much apprecited.
What would you give your dog to help him settle his tummy and stop the loose stools??
I haven't feed him anything new and for now he has been in puppy chow...
Thanks for your help
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2a. Physical Symptoms Since Starting Raw
Posted by: "Eve" loulou_bean@yahoo.com loulou_bean
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 10:02 am ((PDT))

Hi,

My peke just started on raw chicken a few weeks ago
and has been doing fairly well. He has a few strange
symptoms though and I'm curious if anyone might know
anything about the following in regards to the
diet/general health.
-His eyes have been running a brownish mositure for
the past 4 days or so. It's turning his cream hair
under his eyes brownish red.
-His ears have been terribly waxy.
-His coat seems different than before he started on
the diet. It seems kind of dull.

Is there something wrong? Is he missing something?
He's been having a mixure of chicken meat, bone and a
little liver. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Eve

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2b. Re: Physical Symptoms Since Starting Raw
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 10:46 am ((PDT))

Eve <loulou_bean@...> wrote:
> Is there something wrong? Is he missing something?
> He's been having a mixure of chicken meat, bone and a
> little liver. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
*****
Are you feeding a premade mix or are you are feeding a variety of
chicken parts that you purchase youself? If you are feeding prefab,
what other ingredients are there? How much fat is included? How much
bone?

It may be your boy is not responding well to chicken; it may be he's
responding to other ingredients. If it's chicken YOU are buying, make
sure the package label doesn't say "enhanced" or indicates that the
flesh has been injected with solution to tenderize or add flavor.

IOW, get the food down to as clean and plain as you can; see if that
helps.
Chris O

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2c. Re: Physical Symptoms Since Starting Raw
Posted by: "Eve" loulou_bean@yahoo.com loulou_bean
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 2:29 pm ((PDT))

I am buying chicken parts and the packaging doesn't
say that it's enhanced with anything. There's not too
much fat at all. I give him breast, legs, etc. without
the skin. And he gets the right amount of bone I
believe.

We incorporated pork over the last couple of days,
which now that I'm thinking about it may be the
culprit. Is there another good option to move on to?
Beef? ??

Eve
--- costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote:

> Eve <loulou_bean@...> wrote:
> > Is there something wrong? Is he missing something?
> > He's been having a mixure of chicken meat, bone
> and a
> > little liver. Any help would be greatly
> appreciated.
> *****
> Are you feeding a premade mix or are you are feeding
> a variety of
> chicken parts that you purchase youself? If you are
> feeding prefab,
> what other ingredients are there? How much fat is
> included? How much
> bone?
>
> It may be your boy is not responding well to
> chicken; it may be he's
> responding to other ingredients. If it's chicken
> YOU are buying, make
> sure the package label doesn't say "enhanced" or
> indicates that the
> flesh has been injected with solution to tenderize
> or add flavor.
>
> IOW, get the food down to as clean and plain as you
> can; see if that
> helps.
> Chris O
>
>
>
>

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2d. Re: Physical Symptoms Since Starting Raw
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 7:35 pm ((PDT))

Eve <loulou_bean@...> wrote:
>
> I am buying chicken parts and the packaging doesn't
> say that it's enhanced with anything. There's not too
> much fat at all. I give him breast, legs, etc. without
> the skin. And he gets the right amount of bone I
> believe.
>
> We incorporated pork over the last couple of days,
> which now that I'm thinking about it may be the
> culprit. Is there another good option to move on to?
> Beef? ??
*****
Pork is generally a fine next step; I'm not so sure that recently
introduced pork or any new protein can so quickly dry out a coat.

It's possible you haven't been feeding enough fat--with not much
visible fat plus no skin you might have gone too far into the no-fat
zone. My guess is you are feeding more bone than is recommended
however, that ought not affect coat or produce goopy eyes.

Ask where you buy the chicken parts if they are minimally processed
or are enhanced through injection or "flash glazing". It seems that
quite a few dogs respond poorly to these artifices; I think it's
worth the effort to find out.

Frankly, I don't know what to say about the goopy eyes; my dogs get
goopy eyes from poking their faces into dusty places and their eyes
water after wrassling with big body parts; but switching them to raw
made no difference at all.

The dull coat may arise from lack of fat, from not enough food, from
reliance on an unsatisfactory protein source. You may need to add
fish body oil. You maybe have to ditch the pork and return to a
chicken only menu; or ditch the chicken altogether and feed minimally
processed pork for a while.

I suggest you not try beef right now, since been bones are generally
inedible and you'd have to rely on either chicken or pork bones which
would kind of undermine the idea of sticking to one protein source.

Could the goopy eyes be entirely unrelated to raw? Did your switch
coincide with environmental changes? Vaccines or other meds?

Chris O

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3a. Re: Flies!!!
Posted by: "kennramas" jakrr@usa.net kennramas
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 10:35 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "delcaste" <delcaste@...> wrote:
>First let me apologize for not signing the original post.
Secondly, I want to thank you all for the replies. There are some
ideas and products we'll be trying out for sure.

Thanks again.
Kenn, Julie and her Irish Wolfhounds

> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kennramas" <jakrr@> wrote:
> >
> > +++++Mod note: welcome newbie, please sign all emails +++++
> >
> > Newbie here with our first question and the subject says it
all...how
> > do you all deal with your fly issues.
>
> Hi there!
>
> I also feed on concrete and use a fly bait that was recommended on
this
> forum: http://www.fliesbegone.com/ This is the best stuff. I no
longer
> have ANY flies.
>
> Silvina and the pugs
>

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3b. Re: Flies!!!
Posted by: "r ej" ejtwins2002@yahoo.com ejtwins2002
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 3:37 pm ((PDT))

i too feed on cement but only in the winter time. now, i feed on grass and believe me, i still stand guard with a fly swatter. i am feeding 4 dogs raw and 2 are small so they tend to take more time and the flies come!!!
ej

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Newbie here with our first question and the subject says it all...how
do you all deal with your fly issues. We feed on a concrete patio and
clean it off (hose) immeadiately after the dogs are finished. Sure
seems to be a lot of flies still lingering. So we're asking for some
ideas on how to minimize the problem. I realize there is no eliminating
them but reducing their numbers sure would be nice.

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4. Grocery chicken and Turkey
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 10:37 am ((PDT))

Hi. I went to grocery yesterday and chicken breast was 1.88/lb and I got 5-6 breast with about 5-7 dollars so,it was good buy.The breast was for me to eat but I thought that I could reserve 1 piece for palette so that I can use some of it to add to bony part meal some times.

So,I was going to bag 1 piece into zip bag but,noticed later that the chicken had water and salt and 1 something else I cannot pronounce/remember very well..so,I ended up save all for me to cook.The Giant where I usually shop grocery do this big buy stuff now and then and usually they sell stuff just water added package but not this week.I was bit dissapointed.

Then,I also got Turkey breast too because on sale and was thinking I could stock up to add to bony meal.

Well this was worse.That was packed in Turkeybroth,salt,sugar...The brand name was shaddy something farm and, I found ingredient very tiny on very edge corner..when tried to bag this morning.

Yesterday,we went to shopping rather late and was sort of in hurry so,I missed reading that parts..my fault.

Next time when I go shopping I check if they carry water added only poultry or not but I be dissapointed if I did not find one.

Does anybody can point out shop name in VA that carry poultry;chicken and Turkey,not in solution or in brined?

Other stores like ukrop or shoppers,we go sometimes but,I have not been paying attention as much after palette moved on to other meats like beef..not sure if they carry one that is only water added. Do they?

oh well..

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5a. chicken quarters
Posted by: "esmolensky" esmolensky@yahoo.com esmolensky
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 10:37 am ((PDT))

Will chicken quarters fulfill the meat/bone ratio to for now a 7536
mos. old boeboel pup? Or is that way to small portions. I just happen
to see frozen quarters for $5.90 for 10#bag. I think this is cheap.
Most times i can't find whole chicken under 1 dollar.

Emil and Reagan

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6a. Just started yesterday
Posted by: "lmclaen" bmclaen@rochester.rr.com lmclaen
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 12:52 pm ((PDT))

Hi! I am new to the group and just started my almost 2 1/2 year old lab
on raw feeding yesterday. I've researched for almost two years before
*finally* having the guts (no pun intended) to do this. Previous to last
night's dinner she has been on Canidae.

Last night she got a chicken thigh and leg. She is a small lab, only 42
pounds. About 2 hours after eating she threw it up. She wanted to eat it
again, but I stopped her due to my own squeamishness... after reading
further on this board I realize it would have been fine to let her at
it.

This morning she got the same thing, and so far has not thrown up
(fingers crossed). Assuming all goes well for about a week, my plans are
to introduce her to some chicken organ meat and then fish.

Does this sound right? All opinions and hints are very much welcome, and
thanks in advance!

Laeny

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6b. Re: Just started yesterday
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 2:27 pm ((PDT))

> Does this sound right?

Hi Laeny,
Any combo of chicken parts for the first week sounds good to me.
Don't limit yourself to legs and thighs only. You can feed them as
two separate pieces, or joined together as leg quarters, or you can
feed breasts, or you can buy a whole chicken and whack it into meals
which allow the wings to be fed still attached to a larger part of the
bird. My 3 dogs don't care for fish, so i couldn't recommend fish as
a second protein. Pork was my second meal. KathyM

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6c. Re: Just started yesterday
Posted by: "c_lindaberry" c_lindaberry@yahoo.com c_lindaberry
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 5:15 pm ((PDT))

> This morning she got the same thing, and so far has not thrown up
> (fingers crossed). Assuming all goes well for about a week, my plans
> are to introduce her to some chicken organ meat and then fish.

Congratulations on getting started! Remember that whole chickens are a
great buy since they come with the heart and liver, both of which are
great feeding.

I wouldn't use fish as your second protein though. There's nothing
wrong with it, but there are many dogs that won't eat it to begin
with, and others whom can't have very much of it without vomiting or
diarrhea. Definitely introduce fish at some point, but while you're
both new to raw, it might be best to choose something that's generally
easier fed and tolerated for your second meat. Maybe pork, turkey, or
beef?

Just trying to help from my own experience. My dogs can't do fish-only
meals without either horking them back up (outside if I'm lucky) or
getting diarrhea. Mine LOVE fish, and I feed it to them, I just have
to remember the keywords: In Moderation. Luckily, I figured this out
quickly.

Crystal and the Zoo (who each got a salmon head and tail today)

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7a. Labels on meat
Posted by: "Greta Hill" GretaHill@aol.com sunstate23
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 12:52 pm ((PDT))

Does it have to say on the label if anything has been added to the
meat? My local Winco carries pork that has a generic label that doesn't
say anything, not minimally processed or enhanced. When I ask, the guys
that work there give me different answers. Thanks :)

Greta

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7b. Re: Labels on meat
Posted by: "c_lindaberry" c_lindaberry@yahoo.com c_lindaberry
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 4:23 pm ((PDT))

> Does it have to say on the label if anything has been added to the
> meat? My local Winco carries pork that has a generic label that doesn't
> say anything, not minimally processed or enhanced. When I ask, the guys
> that work there give me different answers. Thanks :)
>
> Greta

I buy pork at my Winco too! It has a label that says "Always Tender"
on it, in the upper corner that says nothing about minimal processing
or about enhancement, and I take this to mean that they've added salt
solution to it. That wouldn't surprise me since I usually buy the
carnitas meat since that's the cheapest. While it's not ideal to have
added salt, etc, it doesn't seem to bother either of my dogs, my cat,
or any of the fosters I've had, so I don't worry about it too much.
Even 'enhanced' meat is a load better than kibble, and if your pets
don't have a problem with it, there's no reason for you to worry.

Crystal and the Zoo (who all live on one poor student's budget)

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7c. Re: Labels on meat
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 7:12 pm ((PDT))

"Greta Hill" <GretaHill@...> wrote:
>
> Does it have to say on the label if anything has been added to the
> meat? My local Winco carries pork that has a generic label that
doesn't
> say anything, not minimally processed or enhanced. When I ask, the
guys
> that work there give me different answers. Thanks :)
*****
It's supposed to but Winco's pork is usually repackaged, not
processor labeling. I've run into this at Winco before as well. It
used to be (maybe still is) that the big bag meats at one end of the
meat counter were Farmer John brand pork; I assumed then that the
repack pork was also Farmer John and in fact was told that by the
meat manager. It's been awhile since I've shopped at Winco, so this
might have changed.

You gotta ask the head honcho I think for the real lowdown. Someone
has to know the true skinny about pork; keep poking til you get a
definitive answer.

Caveat emptor, hey?
Chris O

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7d. Re: Labels on meat
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 7:28 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/5/2007 11:52:50 AM Pacific Standard Time,
GretaHill@aol.com writes:

Does it have to say on the label if anything has been added to the
meat? My local Winco carries pork that has a generic label that doesn't
say anything, not minimally processed or enhanced. When I ask, the guys
that work there give me different answers. Thanks :)

Greta,

never believe what a winco employee says.. none of them are trained, they
haven't a clue. I believe they buy all of the meat prepackaged and just put the
labels on and put them in the cases.

all of the pork that Winco used to sell was enhanced, but they only put the
labels on the cut meat, not the meat "in the bag". Just last week i went to
the Winco by me and NONE of the pork products had labels. I don't know if that
means they started buying the unenhanced pork, or if they are just trying to
fool folks into buying the meat.

i like Winco's prices, but i'm nearly fed up with the employees all whining
about having to actually work.. I guess all that "ownership" crap goes to their
heads pretty quick.

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8a. Quantity to feed?
Posted by: "harrynala" michelle@synertex.co.uk harrynala
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 12:57 pm ((PDT))

Hi everyone, I've just joined this fab group and have already learnt
loads looking back through the history!

I have 2 dogs, a 16 month old male and an 8 month old female, both
mixed breed and both around the 22kg mark in weight.

I have been feeding raw for about a year now, learning over a period
of time from internet research. I have several questions, but I'll
just start with one for now :)

So, my original net research advised to feed raw meaty bones of
between 2% to 3% of body weight, so I feed 3% to be safe.

Would everyone agree with this? I ask as my female is always looking
for more! Or does it not matter?

I have actually experimented with her today - she currently has 650g
a day split into 2 meals due to her age. Tonight I gave her a whole
sheeps head weighing 850g. She scoffed the lot and still looked for
more, so with her 325g breakfast she has had 1175g in one day and is
still not satisfied :D

Many thanks in advance
Michelle

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8b. Re: Quantity to feed?
Posted by: "c_lindaberry" c_lindaberry@yahoo.com c_lindaberry
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 5:15 pm ((PDT))

> So, my original net research advised to feed raw meaty bones of
> between 2% to 3% of body weight, so I feed 3% to be safe.

Why 'play safe'? Don't look at the numbers, look at your dogs. Are
they gaining weight at 3%? If so, feed less. If they're losing weight,
feed more. 2-3% is just a starting point. For a vivid example, I have
a 38kg dog and a 26kg dog who get fed exactly the same amount because
that's how much they need to maintain a proper weight. It works out to
1.8% for the larger dog and 2.6% for the smaller. Here's the kicker-
they're both 3yo GSDs! They just have very different metabolisms.

> Would everyone agree with this? I ask as my female is always
> looking for more! Or does it not matter?

It doesn't matter. Given the chance, my larger dog will eat over 5kg
of meat and bone every single day. He'd turn himself into a blimp if I
let him! That's how many dogs are- they'll eat as much and as often as
you'll allow them. I know he's not actually starving because he's not
losing any weight...he just thinks he is.

> I have actually experimented with her today - she currently has 650g
> a day split into 2 meals due to her age. Tonight I gave her a whole
> sheeps head weighing 850g. She scoffed the lot and still looked for
> more, so with her 325g breakfast she has had 1175g in one day and is
> still not satisfied :D

If you really want to experiment, do what I did. Get a LOT of food
ready, then keep feeding them until they stop on their own (that's how
I know he'll eat 5kg+ at a go) and then just feed them VERY light or
fast for a couple days. It's actually rather fun to do, and also fun
to laugh at them afterwards when they look like they've swallowed a
beach ball and don't want to move because they're so full.

Crystal and the Zoo

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9. Jack/Chi Mix Acts Like He's Afraid Of New Foods!
Posted by: "ahomebasedbiz" workathomefirms@aol.com ahomebasedbiz
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 5:17 pm ((PDT))

I've been feeding raw for about a year now and while all of my dogs
love the diet,my 10 year old Jack Russell/Chihuahua mix acts as though
he is confused and sometimes even afraid of new foods. My big dogs are
on a whole prey diet primarily,but they still sometimes eat stuff from
the grocery store. On the other hand Spunky won't touch whole prey and
I am still having the buy his food at the grocer. I am trying to get
him on more varied and exotic foods,but even though I try the tough love
he is quite stubborn. Should I just accept him as an individual based
on what he will eat? I managed to score some chicken feet, kangaroo,
and few other meats from our asian market,and everyone loved them
except for Spunky.

genell

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10. dog won't eat liver & ?? re: bones...
Posted by: "Terri Leist" qahri@sbcglobal.net qahri
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 6:57 pm ((PDT))

1. I have 2 labs. 1 will eat anything you put in front of her & when she's full, she's done. My hoover dog is picky, but what she likes, she will eat until hers is gone & her sisters is gone (if she finds some not eaten). The pickier eater won't eat liver or kidney. They get heart, but that's the only organ they get. Is heart enough? I can very, very easily get heart, sometimes free, sometimes just $1 for each heart.

2. Pork bones. I know pork bones are not as hard as beef bones, but my hoover girl eats w/ MUCH gusto! She has worn her teeth down pretty bad & I know it's my fault for giving her beef rib bones w/ very little meat on them, so now I am trying to figure out which bones are the best. I know that chicken bones are fine, & rib bones w/ lots of meat. What about pork loin & pork shoulder bones? I have a store that usually has pork loins on sale for $.89, so they are easy to get!

They also get tongue & chicken parts as well. Caught a good sale on beef meat not too long ago. So good variety recently. Just making sure I am feeding correctly. It's been about a year for my 2 year old girl & my new-ish girl has been 4 months. They are looking well, & are very happy!! But I like to check in now & then to ensure I don't mess things up!

Thanks for any advice/answers you might have! Thanks whoever said go to the butcher, talk about gold mine!!!

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11a. Re: Upset stomach
Posted by: "doreenchui" doreenchui@yeos.com doreenchui
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 6:57 pm ((PDT))

Hi Sandy
This is an update.
My whippet is still having stomach upset as mentioned below. I have
been giving him digestive enzyme after each meal. Shall I fast him once
a week? Will this help?
Pls advise yrgently.
Thank you.
Doreen
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "doreenchui" <doreenchui@...> wrote:
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> > Hi Sandy
> > My whippet starting taking raw in the morning since 2 months ago.
> > Just meat, chicken, beef, mutton/lamb. Fish, once in a while, as
> > treats, never as the main meal.
> I tried giving with bones(chicken)> but he does not like it.
> I am trying to get him eating raw boneless
> > meat first, get his stomach right and slowly introduce other things.
> > I started full raw recently, meaning no Abady. With chicken(he does
> > not like it) and beef, his stools are alright but not with
> > mutton/lamb, it tends to be loose. Beef fed for more than 6-7 days
> wii result in an stomach upset.
> For each new protein, I start
> > with 50gms.
> > Doreen
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12a. Re: Raw Guidelines? -- Any No-No's ???
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 6:58 pm ((PDT))

Cynthia,

Jeni said lots of good stuff - but I want to add that you want to
avoid 'weight-bearing bones' of the larger animals,'marrow bones.'
Dogs gnaw away at them, and actually wear down their teeth, over
time.

Also, add one new meat at a time, for about a week, until the dog's
system gets used to it. If you introduce too much variety too soon,
you might end up with loose bowels.

Another thing that might cause loose bowels is too much organ
introduced too quickly. Just give a little bit to start, then
increase if desired, (keeping within the 10% guideline) adjusting
down if you notice diarrhea.

And keep reading the posts - the people here have lots of good
experience to share.

Sounds like you're off to a good start w/the chicken. Be sure to
give lots of meat, and not too much bone.

Happy feeding,
Lynne

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> Hi Guys ...
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> I know that since we're just starting out, to stick with chicken
(that's what I started with) for a good couple of weeks. But, what
I want to know is -- when I start adding other types of meats,
poultry, or fish -- is there anything I should avoid giving to the
dogs because it is taboo / harmful, so therefore off-limits?
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