[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11881

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Border Collie Mix & Chicken Wings
From: carnesbill
1b. Re: Border Collie Mix & Chicken Wings
From: costrowski75

2a. Gave fish another try!
From: John and Jeni Blackmon
2b. Re: Gave fish another try!
From: Tracy P-C
2c. Re: Gave fish another try!
From: linoleum5017

3a. Re: drop of blood
From: carnesbill

4a. Re: Flies!!!
From: Giselle
4b. Re: Flies!!!
From: John and Jeni Blackmon
4c. Re: Flies!!!
From: John and Jeni Blackmon
4d. Re: Flies!!!
From: Linda
4e. Re: Flies!!!
From: mousegirls
4f. Re: Flies!!!
From: mob1043
4g. Re: Flies!!!
From: Giselle
4h. Re: Flies!!!
From: delcaste
4i. Re: Flies!!!
From: delcaste

5.1. Re: New Member
From: Giselle
5.2. Re: New Member
From: Brandi Bryant
5.3. Re: New Member
From: Giselle

6a. Re: All these non-problems
From: Morledzep@aol.com
6b. Re: All these non-problems
From: linoleum5017
6c. Re: All these non-problems
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

7a. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
From: pigasus718

8a. Raw Guidelines? -- Any No-No's ???
From: Cynthia Brown
8b. Re: Raw Guidelines? -- Any No-No's ???
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

9. Re-check on fish oil amounts
From: diannem200400

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1a. Re: Border Collie Mix & Chicken Wings
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 6:34 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "skiblader2003"
<skiblader2003@...> wrote:
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> Hi, I'm new. In my enthusiasm to get started feeding raw, I
> ran out
> and purchased a package of whole chicken wings to feed to my 1 yr
> old BC mix.

> Also, is bacteria a real concern? Does freezing eliminate
> this risk
> or should I flash boil any raw meat before serving to kill the
> bacteria?

I wouldn't throw the wings away. I would feed him breasts a few
days to see how he does and if he doesn't appear to be a gulper,
feed him a wing along with breasts until they are gone. I wouldn't
buy any more.

Bacteria is not an issue. Dogs handle it well. They eat poop, lick
their own and other dog's butts, and eat squirrels that have been
dead for several days. Bacteria doesn't hurt them. Serve them all
meat right out of the fridge or if you want to leave it out on the
counter for a day, thats ok too.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1b. Re: Border Collie Mix & Chicken Wings
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 9:56 pm ((PDT))

"skiblader2003" <skiblader2003@...> wrote:
>Then as I was reading some of the resources, I read
> that they are only appropriate for tiny dogs. He licked on one for
> a bit but hasn't tried to eat it (it's back in the freezer after
> what I read). I don't think he'd gulp it initially and I intend to
> watch him closely. Should I ditch them and go back for breasts or
> thighs or is it okay to start him on the wings?
*****
Since you really have no way of knowing--yet--what your dog's
response will be to chicken wings, I'd say leave them in the freezer
for now. If you find he's a kinder and gentler eater, let him finish
off the wings. If he shows himself to be an enthusiastic eater, then
maybe the wings will be useful never.

My bc pup weighs 31lb at 10 months. Chicken wings have ALWAYS been
too small for her, even when she was a wee bairn. I doubt she was
much older than 16 weeks when she powered through most of a hen
turkey neck, then swallowed the remaining two inches because things
were going too slowly for her (or perhaps she thought the cat was
about to steal it, I don't quite know).

Rib-in breasts and thighs seem more reasonable to me; also consider
Cornish game hen quarters, perhaps even leg quarters from a
smallish "ordinary" chicken. I'm feeding my kid about 3/4lb of food
a day (plus/minus, give or take, sorta-kinda, in general) once a day
and an "ordinary leg quarter" is a good day's meal.

>> Also, is bacteria a real concern?
*****
Not any more so than the bacteria he was exposed to when fed kibble.
Or that you are exposed to during your usual comings and goings. You
cannot kill bacteria, you can only slow them down. They were here
before us and will be here when only the cockroaches remain.

Does freezing eliminate this risk
*****
There's no notable risk for your dog and if you follow simple, common
sense cleaning procedures--soap and water primarily, avoid harsh
chemicals--you will not be at risk either. At least, no more than
you were pre-raw.

> or should I flash boil any raw meat before serving to kill the
> bacteria?
*****
No, this is not necessary. You do not need to parboil your dog's raw
meat. He's built for the job of eating raw meat, comes fully
equipped. The less you interfere with his talents, the better for
him. Really.
Chris O

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2a. Gave fish another try!
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 6:34 pm ((PDT))

Ok, my dogs wouldn't do fish, at all! But after getting together with some local rawfeeders, it was brought to my attention that some kind of fish oil was needed in the diet. One gentleman suggested, that canned mackeral was on sale at the canned food warehouse. So, I saw it yesterday at the base, and bought some, four cans, thought, it's only .70 cents a can, if they don't like it, no biggy.
Well, I split it up for the two big danes, and gave a little smiggin to the pomchi, knowing she'd turn her nose up to it, she hates all things, not game hens, and proceeded outside for feeding in the crates. (the stuff stinks you know)
Zeus and Zena went to eat like it was any other day, and Daisy our pomchi, sniffed around the crate before going in, thinking I'm sure "what the hell is that stuff?"
But went in, because I put her in.
And then they were all eating FISH! YES eating and enjoying the mackeral!
Go figure, I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, thanks to a friends husbands suggestion, my dogs ate fish!
Just wanted to share:) I'm so happy I don't have to add suppliments to our food now, it's fish and no need for oils, YIPPPEE!
Jeni

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2b. Re: Gave fish another try!
Posted by: "Tracy P-C" tpreston721@yahoo.com tpreston721
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 8:27 pm ((PDT))

I tried fish today for the first time --- It was salmon, yes from the Pacific Northwest, but it had been frozen for a year and my dad just got back from another fishing trip and we refilled our freezer, so the "old" stuff had to go - I was a little nervous about it as I have heard about dogs horking it back up - So, I sliced off a small piece for both dogs - Gave it to my "old lady" golden and she spit it out and then gave the other piece to Kimber, my 2 yr mix, she inhaled hers and grabbed the goldens also - I sliced off another Small piece and the golden ate it - Both watched my husband and I eat the fresh caught stuff and DROOLED - They haven't horked it up yet and ate the rest of the dinner without any problems - I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it doesn't come up in the middle of the night :o)

Have a great evening
Tracy, Nugget and Kimber

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2c. Re: Gave fish another try!
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 9:19 pm ((PDT))

Hip, hip, hooray, Jeni!

-- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, John and Jeni Blackmon
<jonjeni777@...> wrote:
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> > And then they were all eating FISH! YES eating and enjoying the
mackeral!
> it's fish and no need for oils, YIPPPEE!
> Jeni
>

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3a. Re: drop of blood
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 6:34 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lhmcmaken" <lhmcmaken@...> wrote:
>
> hello everyone
> this is day 7 of raw for my two danes. am getting small stools
that
> are a tad slimy and the female had a drop of blood on hers this
> morning.

I don't worry about slime nor drops of blood. Neither are that
unusual. Liver can make a stool look like it has blood in it
sometimes as can beef heart.

> does a chicken leg quarter have two much bone?

NO

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4a. Re: Flies!!!
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 6:39 pm ((PDT))

Hi!
Feed indoors. ; )

TC
Giselle

> Newbie here with our first question and the subject says it all...how
> do you all deal with your fly issues. We feed on a concrete patio and
> clean it off (hose) immediately after the dogs are finished. Sure
> seems to be a lot of flies still lingering. So we're asking for some
> ideas on how to minimize the problem. I realize there is no eliminating
> them but reducing their numbers sure would be nice.
>

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4b. Re: Flies!!!
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 8:24 pm ((PDT))

Giselle,
You're too funny!
Jeni

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4c. Re: Flies!!!
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 8:24 pm ((PDT))

Hello Newbie, you didn't give us your name,
We have alot of flies here in California too. And it's so bad the dogs stop eating to snap at the flies.
At home depot they have these flie things that you fill with water and hang somewhere, away from where you don't want the flies, I put them away from where the dogs eat, like on my clothes line, it's easy to hang there. They catch alot of flies, but stink if you put them too close to the house. I throw away after a week. But they are worth it.
And you can't leave the food out long either. I put the food in stainless steel dishes, on raised wire racks (hanging plant holders that I hook in the crates on the sides with s hooks) in the crates, so they have to eat the food from the dish, but it still comes out of the dish and onto the crate. But less clean up. When you have to hose it down the flies still find the remains. I can wash the crate bottom off with soap and water, and no flies. Hard to do that with the whole patio. You can use a little bleach on the patio without hurting the dogs, and that would help. Just use a bucket with a couple of teaspoons of bleach, to five gallons of water, and dump it on the whole patio and follow with a hosing off, that ratio should be ok for the animals, even the cats and birds are ok with that here. We do it here when we have to clean up after a large rawfeeder split or food spill:) Works great. Hope that helps.
Jeni

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4d. Re: Flies!!!
Posted by: "Linda" aumicapa@peoplepc.com micap12000
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 8:24 pm ((PDT))

I feed indoors on a towel...no flies!
Linda

Sure
> seems to be a lot of flies still lingering. So we're asking for some
> ideas on how to minimize the problem. I realize there is no
eliminating
> them but reducing their numbers sure would be nice.
>

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4e. Re: Flies!!!
Posted by: "mousegirls" mousegirls@gmail.com ladysown
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 8:25 pm ((PDT))

I feed outdoors as well, on grass and don't have an increase in the
amount of flies. Granted I grew up on a farm and have a horse field
right behind me so a certain amount of flies is normal to me. :)
Seems weird if I don't have at least one fly around. :)

To get rid of them though
1. rinse area down with more than water. Do a vinegar water rinse.
2. keep doors shut as much as possible to keep the flies out
3. fly zapper. costs a bit, can be noisy BUT highly effective
particularly if placed so that bugs can fall into a pond for fish food. :)
4. fly traps - there's a variety on the market
5. feed as far away from the house as you can. Seriously...gives the
flies farther to travel.

That's all I have in my brain at the moment, I can always write again if
I have more ideas for you.

annette
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4f. Re: Flies!!!
Posted by: "mob1043" ynotbeastar@marykay.com mob1043
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 8:26 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kennramas" <jakrr@...> wrote:
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> +++++Mod note: welcome newbie, please sign all emails +++++
>
> Newbie here with our first question and the subject says it
all...how
> do you all deal with your fly issues. We feed on a concrete patio
and
> clean it off (hose) immeadiately after the dogs are finished. Sure
> seems to be a lot of flies still lingering. So we're asking for some
> ideas on how to minimize the problem. I realize there is no
eliminating
> them but reducing their numbers sure would be nice.

Ya know my hub and I were just discussing that. I think you could
use a mix of vinegar and water in a spray bottle. Not only is it not
harmful to the dogs it is a sanitizer.

The flies are going after the leftover smell of blood and raw in the
area.

Michele

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4g. Re: Flies!!!
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 11:00 pm ((PDT))

Gee, Jeni, and I was totally serious! : >
Giselle

Seriously tho', I have fed up to 8 dogs in the house, with and without
crates - NP, once you get everyone settled into *their own*
comfortable eating place. I think its important to supervise mealtimes.
Did I mentioned they were Newfs (big) and Schips (busy)?

> Giselle,
> You're too funny!
> Jeni

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4h. Re: Flies!!!
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 4:41 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kennramas" <jakrr@...> wrote:
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> +++++Mod note: welcome newbie, please sign all emails +++++
>
> Newbie here with our first question and the subject says it all...how
> do you all deal with your fly issues.

Hi there!

I also feed on concrete and use a fly bait that was recommended on this
forum: http://www.fliesbegone.com/ This is the best stuff. I no longer
have ANY flies.

Silvina and the pugs

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4i. Re: Flies!!!
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 4:41 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kennramas" <jakrr@...> wrote:
>
> +++++Mod note: welcome newbie, please sign all emails +++++
>
> Newbie here with our first question and the subject says it all...how
> do you all deal with your fly issues.

Hi there!

I also feed on concrete and use a fly bait that was recommended on this
forum: http://www.fliesbegone.com/ This is the best stuff. I no longer
have ANY flies.

Silvina and the pugs

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5.1. Re: New Member
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 7:15 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Brandi!
Welcome!
Just because a dog has shown some intolerance to kibble that has
chicken or cooked chicken, doesn't mean that it will have a problem
with the raw protein - its like comparing apples and oranges, really.

Often, its the "other stuff" thats in kibble - and there's a LOT of it
- that causes food intolerance reactions.

Hmmm, haven't used any flea or tick prevention of any type in quite
awhile - haven't seen any fleas, but saw 1 (one) tick this year, and
it wasn't attached. On me, not the dog. ; ) After dogs are switched to
raw, often they are much more resistant to parasites, and you don't
have to resort to all the chemicals to try to keep them bug free.

Diatomaceous Earth is a natural way to eliminate fleas, etc. in the
house and yard. But, it kills all bugs, good and bad, so use
sparingly. You should only use food grade DE around the house, your
pets and your family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatomaceous_earth
http://www.dirtworks.net/Diatomaceous-Earth.html

This list supports and advocates feeding a species appropriate raw
prey model diet; feed whole raw prey animals, skin, fur, innards,
heads 'n all. If you can't source and feed whole prey, then feed an
approximation thereof; a variety of body parts from a variety of animals.

To start; go to the store and buy a bunch of whole chickens.
Read the label, make sure they aren't enhanced or injected with salt
solution or flavoring/seasonings.
Cut some in half, some in quarters, a couple in eighths.
Freeze some.
Feed Max and Duke each a half chicken. Catori could do with a leg or
breast quarter twice to three times a day. Give Roxie a thigh or
breast half - she probably won't eat it all, but thats OK. Cut the
heart, gizzards and liver into bits and toss in with the cats meals,
raw is good for them, too!

That's all you need to do to get started. I recommend that while you
are feeding through those chickens, you take the time to read the
files on the website. Also, read the messages from the last week or
two from newbies like yourself, and the responses to them.

Its pretty simple to start, and you can learn what else you need to
know as you go along.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New jersey

> Hello, my name is Brandi - I live in Bartlesville, OK - and I have 4
dogs, 3
> cats, and 1 Missouri Foxtrotter.
<snip>
> Ok - I'm on the German_Shepherd_Dog yahoo group list and most of
them feed
> raw, some of them gave me some suggestions such as:
>
> Max may be allergic to chicken - to start out with turkey or wild
game such
> as deer
>
> Start out on turkey
>
> Someone said that I shouldn't use Frontline because it makes their
coats oily
> and nasty (which Max's coat isn't in the best condition) that I
should use
> K9-Advantex.
>
> Someone also said that I should use Diatamaceous Earth - I have no
idea what
> this is, where to get it or how to use it, anybody?
>
> So, I joined this list to help me get started on a good first time
feeding
> raw meals to my k-9s, have no idea where to start, how to prepare
the meal,
> the do's or don'ts etc....
>
> Can anybody help me out, please!!!
>
> Lost,
> Brandi
> Bartlesville, Ok
> www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com

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5.2. Re: New Member
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 4:41 am ((PDT))

>>>To start; go to the store and buy a bunch of whole chickens.
Read the label, make sure they aren't enhanced or injected with salt
solution or flavoring/seasonings.
Cut some in half, some in quarters, a couple in eighths.
Freeze some.
Feed Max and Duke each a half chicken. Catori could do with a leg or
breast quarter twice to three times a day. Give Roxie a thigh or
breast half - she probably won't eat it all, but thats OK. Cut the
heart, gizzards and liver into bits and toss in with the cats meals,
raw is good for them<<<<

Thanks for the information. Just a couple of questions: can I just go
straight from kibble to raw chicken. If I'm giving Max and Duke half a
chicken - I just cut the chicken right down the center, right? And I can
break it up for them - like tear the wing off, the leg off and cut into
managable pieces right? And do I need to take the skin off of it? I know
bacteria isn't a problem with dogs, but do I need to wash it off, and it
needs to be thawed some right? And I just put it all in a bowl and let them
have at it? Wow, I'm kinda excited about all of this. I think if I can I
might try to start it this week.

Thanks again for the information, and if anybody else has some good tips
please send them this way!!!

Brandi
Bartlesville, OK
www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com

>
>
>

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Bartlesville, Ok
www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com

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5.3. Re: New Member
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 6:04 am ((PDT))

Hi, Brandi!
Yes, donate all the kibble to your local animal shelter!
Get it out of the house! There's no need to use up the kibble or
switch gradually. Not for the cats; cats are sometimes hard to switch
and must eat every day - so feed them what they're eating now, and try
adding some bits of raw until they/re convinced raw is better!

Yes, just cut the chickens into rough portions with a knife or kitchen
shears.

NO, don't cut them into smaller pieces! You want to have their
portions as large as possible! One of the benefits of feeding raw is
the physical and dental activity your dogs will get from it.
Manageable pieces for us would be swallowing/choking size pieces for
them. Dogs don't chew, they tear off hunks small enough to swallow and
then just do that - their digestion doesn't start until it hits the
stomach, unlike humans. We have to chew and chew because our saliva
starts the digestion process.

Don't remove skin, or visible fat unless you are getting some loose
stools. Then, only remove as much as needed temporarily, then
gradually stop removing them.

Thaw the food completely at first, even leave it out get to room
temperature or warm it under warm water, so your dogs'll recognize it
as food. You may want to feed frozen, or partially frozen later, after
your dogs are not noobs at this. Feeding partially or mostly frozen
portions is a good way to slow a gulper down a little, or cool a dog
off in the summer, help a pup who is teething, or just plain
convenient. You might not want to do this with the whippetx, the
smaller a dog is, the easier it would be to have them get too chilled
by eating cold or frozen meats.

You probably won't need bowls; if you feed indoors, you just put
towels or old rugs or something down as place mats, put each dog on
one and pass out the parts. ; )

Keep reading the files, and the past few weeks "newbie" messages and
responses; all the basics and specific Qs have been covered many times.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Thanks for the information. Just a couple of questions:
<snip>
> Thanks again for the information, and if anybody else has some good tips
> please send them this way!!!
>
> Brandi
> Bartlesville, OK
> www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com

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6a. Re: All these non-problems
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 7:53 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/4/2007 5:00:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,
deep_ocean_of_sorrow@yahoo.com writes:

my dog's about 17lbs, should i be worried how much i give the slippery
elm bark? or will just a bit of sprinkle (sort of random) be okay?

****slippery elm is ONLY for digestive upset.. it's not a suppliment, it
should NOT be used as a regular part of the diet.

and no, i know nothing of doses, i have some here for emergencies but have
never had to use it.

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6b. Re: All these non-problems
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 8:27 pm ((PDT))

Bravo, Tammy! And BoJ doesn't stare at his bowl of processed ki***e
anymore, wishing for real food. Nor does he any longer reek of skunk-
breath, and I can't seem to find much poop to accidentally step in.
Sure do wonder what the vet looks/smells like, but well..... Gee, but
we wanna stay raw!!!!!

Lynne & BoJ

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "temy1102" <tammy.a.jp@...> wrote:
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>
> At the risk of tempting fate, I want to let any concerned
> newbies know that I have no problems right now. Any problems I had
> just took a little tinkering, sometimes a lot of time, and a lot of
> judicial "wait and see."
>
> Tammy & Grover
>

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6c. Re: All these non-problems
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 8:27 pm ((PDT))

slippery elm, use it by the pinch, it's easy, but like said, only when needed, not necessary for everyday. Add to water or favorite food.
Jeni

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7a. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
Posted by: "pigasus718" pigasus718@yahoo.com pigasus718
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 8:24 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
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> >Also, where do you find gullet and trachea?
> you can find at www.greentripe.com
>
>

Nicole also has a nice selection of such items at www.prey4pets.com
<http://www.prey4pets.com>

I have also been feeding a very, very small amount of bone at each meal
to my mini

schnauzer and shih tzu. We're new to raw and someone in one of the
threads recommended

a small amount of bone at each meal when switching them over.

They stated it would help with the soupy poop thing.

It's working like a charm for us.

Robyn

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8a. Raw Guidelines? -- Any No-No's ???
Posted by: "Cynthia Brown" temecula_lady@yahoo.com temecula_lady
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 9:19 pm ((PDT))

Hi Guys ...

I know that since we're just starting out, to stick with chicken (that's what I started with) for a good couple of weeks. But, what I want to know is -- when I start adding other types of meats, poultry, or fish -- is there anything I should avoid giving to the dogs because it is taboo / harmful, so therefore off-limits?

Day 3 here, on the new great "raw adventure," and 2 out of my 3 are finally starting to get it. The hold-out is my 3-yr old Lhasa-mix; she doesn't even try, even when I cut a piece of chicken small enough for her "dainty" mouth. I know-I know ... she won't starve herself and will eventually get with the program ... but it is "a bit" frustrating!

My 65 lb. sight-hound mix finally started getting into it when "Dad," decided to hold the chicken leg for him. And my Shih-Tzu is doing her best - still nibbling at and around it.

I've given them big knuckle bones in the past and not a one of the dogs has had a problem chewing those -- really getting into it ... so I know it's just a matter of time (hopefully sooner than later) before they each do a "happy dance" (that's what you seasoned vets are telling me!!!!) before dinner!!! LOL - the things we learn to look forward to as dog parents!

Thanks for your help and support!

Cynthia ... Duffy, Sophie, Tinkerbell
Temecula, CA

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8b. Re: Raw Guidelines? -- Any No-No's ???
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 4:40 am ((PDT))

Weekends are a little slow, so you'll have to be patient around here, but we get to you pretty quick.
On the don't, usually don't just give up.
On the fish, you'll have to wait for the seasoned fish people here to jump in, there are some do's and don't's there, espescially if they are fresh caught and all, and they will tell you, you could also check some of the past, and pretty recent emails about fishing.
On my little new addition, she's a pomchi, (we have Great Danes, so everything has always been giant size here) we started her out on Game hens, and it took her a while, but she was sneaking the cats food, and he was letting her! Got wise to that quick.:) So make sure they aren't getting snacks from a family hold out, like my hubby, who thinks they are starving.:) And take it away if they don't eat it in like 10 minutes or so. Don't let them make food a toy, or run off with it for later. When they get hungry enough they will eat and you'll love it. And they are exploring, so that is good. You can try adding something stinking to the mix like garlic, rubbing it on the chicken, or some smelly cheese, for the smell factor, kibble and canned food really smelled like it had something to it, and raw just doesn't, so they don't think it does. Just a thought. Keep up the great work, and don't worry, it will happen. When Daisy, the pomchi finally got
it, I had to take pictures because my husband was in the opposite end of the house, just so I could prove she could do it too:) You're doing great!
Oh, when I finally added another meat, I did pork, it is cheap, and I did rib racks, whole, and pork shoulders, lots of meat and a big bone for chewing later, and pigs feet, they love those. And it was easy on their stomachs. Mine didn't like fish at all, but recently, if you just read the emails, we did canned mackeral, and they loved it, so we'll do that one! We switch meats alot now, but you wait awhile, make sure they do ok, and no problems. Keep us posted and let us know how their doing. And welcome.
Jeni
Owned, operated, and often tricked daily by my two danes, Zeus and Zena and now Daisy, (she thinks she's a Rotty) and the cat Lucky, who's going raw one way or another, we're working on him!

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9. Re-check on fish oil amounts
Posted by: "diannem200400" diannem200400@yahoo.com diannem200400
Date: Sun Aug 5, 2007 4:42 am ((PDT))

I recall a post that talked about specific "therapeutic" amounts of
fish oil to feed if, for example, you have a dog with severe allergies
and are trying to boost the immune system. Now I can't find that
post. I think it said to feed daily 100mg per 10 lbs of body weight.
So, that would be 12 of the 1200mg capsules per day for a 120 lb dog,
right? (Obviously, my math skills are deficient) That seems like an
awful lot of fish oil!

Dianne M.

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