[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11885

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Labels on meat
From: costrowski75
1b. Re: Labels on meat
From: costrowski75

2a. Re: Canned Salmon & Sardines Question
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: Lethargic pup
From: costrowski75
3b. Re: Lethargic pup
From: ginny wilken
3c. Re: Lethargic pup
From: Laura Atkinson

4a. Re: The theories behind veggies & fruit
From: ginny wilken
4b. Re: The theories behind veggies & fruit
From: costrowski75

5a. Re: Trimming the Beef
From: costrowski75

6a. Re: Teething and not eating bones
From: Andrea

7a. Re: calcium/magnesium ratio????
From: swilken61

8a. Too much variety or bad chicken? (was: Physical Symptoms Since Start
From: Andrea

9a. Re: Chicken feet with nails ?? ok ?
From: Andrea
9b. Re: Chicken feet with nails ?? ok ?
From: Yasuko herron
9c. Re: Chicken feet with nails ?? ok ?
From: jrtsnabc
9d. Re: Chicken feet with nails ?? ok ?
From: cypressbunny

10a. Re: yet another fish oil question
From: Yasuko herron

11a. Re: Physical Symptoms Since Starting Raw
From: carnesbill

12a. Re: Grocery chicken and Turkey
From: Yasuko herron

13a. Re: New to raw/Help needed
From: nickandnoel@aol.com
13b. Re: New to raw/Help needed
From: Yasuko herron

14. good find
From: frustrated_tracey

15a. Big dog with small appetite - needs to gain weight
From: millser25
15b. Re: Big dog with small appetite - needs to gain weight
From: Nathalie Poulin
15c. Re: Big dog with small appetite - needs to gain weight
From: Amanda Gelin

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1a. Re: Labels on meat
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:33 am ((PDT))

"Greta Hill" <GretaHill@...> wrote:
>> Okay, I'll ask before I buy. All the Farmer John's pork at my Winco
is
> enhanced - but they try and hide it with a teeny label in gold with
> white writing - very hard to read! My Winco was carrying some 100%
> natural pork, but stopped.
*****
Well, that sucks!
Obviously I haven't been to WinCo recently. And since I allus thought
our friendly Farmer was all natural all the time, I'll be poking into
THAT preconception as well. Sheesh, you just gotta pay attention now.

Thanks for the heads up.
Chris O

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1b. Re: Labels on meat
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:42 am ((PDT))

"deep_ocean_of_sorrow" <deep_ocean_of_sorrow@...> wrote:
>
>
> I've recently bought ground beef from Costco;
>
> is their meat enchanced? I didn't really think about anyone from the
> grocery's (or wholesales.) adding any salt or flavorings or whatever
> before... so I didn't really check the package/sticker.
>
> I think they grind the meat there, so would they be adding things
> there??
*****
My guess is they themsleves add no more to the meats; whether they buy
enhanced meat I know not. These are questions you should ask of the
meat manager or some other meat person who is accountable. Go as high
as you must to get the answers you need.
Chris O

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2a. Re: Canned Salmon & Sardines Question
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:47 am ((PDT))

grace grasso <gracegrasso@...> wrote:
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> Hi Patrick,
> Sardines are wonderful as long as they are packed in
water.............the oil can be rancid. Preferrable without salt.
*****
Canned fish are not "wonderful", they are cooked so at best they are
useful. Since fish are not required eating, feeding canned fish simply
to be feeding fish is unnecessary. If one wants to occasionally add
canned fish to a meal, that's a different thing entirely.

It's not likely the oil is rancid. It is likely (as in 100%) that the
oil is soy (what is euphemistically called "vegetable oil"), which is
good for neither human nor dog. Definitely the soy pack should be
drained well.
Chris O

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3a. Re: Lethargic pup
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:54 am ((PDT))

grace grasso <gracegrasso@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Naomi,
> Has your puppy been vaccinated lately? A calm puppy may be blood
deficient. I do not know what you are feeding your puppy. Try Call of
the Wild suppliments which will replace the calcuim and 3-v caps
which support omega-3's.with your ground meat, fish and vegetables
and see how he does. This has supported my lab puppy.
>
> Inspite of what some think dogs need more that just meat.
*****
Grace, I don't know your background or why you have chosen to
subscribe to this list, but it's clear you haven't done much reading
here.

A good raw diet--species appropriate--is meat, edible bone, organs.
So you're right that it's not just meat; however your intimation that
meat plus its associated bones and organs is also not enough is
incorrect.

Also, a good raw diet does not need supplemental calcium and the oils
offer in 3-v caps are in one regard too much of what a dog doesn't
need and in another regard inadequate in what a dog DOES need. I
suggest you research your supplements before flinging them willy-
nilly at subscribers.

Please browse the archives.
Chris O

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3b. Re: Lethargic pup
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 10:18 am ((PDT))

On Aug 6, 2007, at 5:10 AM, grace grasso wrote:

> Hi Naomi,
> Has your puppy been vaccinated lately? A calm puppy may be blood
> deficient. I do not know what you are feeding your puppy. Try Call
> of the Wild suppliments which will replace the calcuim and 3-v caps
> which support omega-3's.with your ground meat, fish and vegetables
> and see how he does. This has supported my lab puppy.
>
> Inspite of what some think dogs need more that just meat.

I'll beg to differ here, as in my opinion dogs obtain everything they
need from a properly varied raw, whole meat diet. This is what they
are evolved to handle and crave, and the reason is because a whole
prey diet supplies the needed nutrients in exactly the most available
form for them.

I must especially speak out on the supplement issue, as both these
contain plant products and Omega precursors which are hard enough for
humans to metabolize, and impossible for dogs, making them potent
allergens.

If you have a vaccinated pup, he is fighting systemic impairment
which will have an effect on his digestion and metabolization. Yes,
TCM may call this "blood deficient", but TCM cannot cure it
permanently. If a truly appropriate diet does not straighten out the
pup, he will need some homeopathic attention eventually, and that
will resolve his dysfunctions and make him strong in every regard.

ginny and Tomo

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3c. Re: Lethargic pup
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 10:48 am ((PDT))

Well, no, I think she had it partially right...even if unintended.
Dogs do need more than just meat. They need bones, organs, connective
tissue, fat...etc <G>.

--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com

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4a. Re: The theories behind veggies & fruit
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 10:35 am ((PDT))

On Aug 6, 2007, at 9:09 AM, grace grasso wrote:

> Hi Naomi,
> My homeopatic nutritionalist advises me to provide some veggies
> at each meal. She said it supplies plant enzymes, as well as
> needed vitamins and fiber . Preferably water rich dark leafy
> greens, green beans, squash. She also said that in 2006 it was
> discovered that dogs can not process omega3 from a non animal
> source so flax seed is not useful. Sardines are a wonderful food.
> She gave me research notes which also said that some dogs can
> benefit from some whole grains such as brown rice, oats and barley
> in scant amounts. The new evidence shows that seared meat is more
> digestable and that maybe it is the better ingredients we use in
> the "raw diet" and not just the "raw" diet.
> Although I do not have the knowlege base of a homepathic
> nutritionalist I am an RN with a nutrition background. I think it
> is important to keep an open mind and use more than just one resource.
> Dr. Charles Loops, DMV has a good website.
> Grace

This list relies only on the research of how wild canids eat when
left to their own devices, a sort of basic touchstone from which to
view wild ideas and excursions. There are numerous sites which argue
the benefits of raw food for any species. Dogs can not process ANY
plant nutrients any more efficiently than they do flax, and all
become potential allergens, requiring the time and energy of the
system to detoxify them even if they do not produce symptoms.

That's my two cents, and there is no such thing as a homeopathic
nutritionalist. Homeopathy is a separate and elaborate medical
science, and homeopaths, although they may understand the place of
diet in a cure, do not prescribe food, rather limiting themselves to
their speciality. She's blowing smoke, and with your limited
nutritional background as an RN, I would say that you are poised to
educate yourself further, starting with the "old evidence".

ginny and Tomo

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4b. Re: The theories behind veggies & fruit
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 10:50 am ((PDT))

grace grasso <gracegrasso@...> wrote:
> My homeopatic nutritionalist advises me to provide some veggies
at each meal. She said it supplies plant enzymes, as well as needed
vitamins and fiber . Preferably water rich dark leafy greens,
green beans, squash. She also said that in 2006 it was discovered
that dogs can not process omega3 from a non animal source so flax
seed is not useful.
*****
My guess is you neglected to tell your homeopathic nutritionalist
(what a concept!) that she was to be creating a meal for a dog.
What you recommend may (or may not) be useful for a human but for a
dog it's plain laughable.

It is scary to think you spent good money on this nonsense. I
suggest you read about wolves, and their diet and they environment
and their lives. Apply liberally to your dog. And perhaps
reconsider advising other dog owners til you've got it more
straightened out.

Meat (including flesh, fat, skin and connective tissue), organs,
consumable bone. That's it.

That's all she wrote.

The Fat Lady has sung.
Chris O

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5a. Re: Trimming the Beef
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 10:37 am ((PDT))

"cresco299" <gentry.jeffrey@...> wrote:
In all, I trimmed off a little over a pound of fat, and
> there was still plenty attached. Aside from the fact that the pound
> of fat I threw away actually made this "great deal" not nearly as
> great as I had thought (Basically jacked the price up to $1.91/lb),
> did I do a disservice to my dogs by not letting them eat what I
> perceived to be excessive amounts of fat? Or am I right to moderate
> their intake?
*****
If you know they can comfortably digest what you perceive to be a
large amount of fat, then you did them a disservice. If you KNOW they
are not capable of processing a lot of fat, or you aren't up to
dealing with potential (though not necessarily inappropriate)
digestive fallout, then you were right to moderate the fat.

Fat is an important (essential) part of the diet. Don't chintz on it.
Chris O

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6a. Re: Teething and not eating bones
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 10:48 am ((PDT))

Hi, Kendra, it's not unusual for pups to stay away from larger bones
when they are teething. Instead of cutting up the bony food so he
doesn't have to chew, why not give him more meaty cuts so he doesn't
have to work around the bones? When Geiger was teething he would eat
chicken rib bones, but leave all other bones from his chickens. It
only went on for a couple of weeks, and then he was back to crunching
bones. Tycho just started teething this week, and so far doesn't seem
bothered much by bone. He does, however, prefer frozen foods right
now, I'm sure it makes his gums feel better.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Kendra" <kborland@...> wrote:

> So, after offering them to him as usual, and leaving him with it
> for 15 min or so wiithout him even trying to work on it, I pick it
> up and chop it up with my meat cleaver. I'm making sure that the
> bones are very small chop, so that they can't get lodged in his
> throat or whatever.

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7a. Re: calcium/magnesium ratio????
Posted by: "swilken61" powrfemme@aol.com swilken61
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 10:49 am ((PDT))

Hi,

When I spoke to my vet about a homeprepared diet for my dog that gets
frequent UTIs, he said it would be difficult to get the magnesium
ration correct. That's the only time I've heard that. I have heard
about the calcium/phosphorous ratio. I was worried about these
things, but, although I've only been raw feeding about six weeks, I
was homecooking about a month before that, and I came to this
realization. Since our pets are biologically closer to wolves and
cats in the wild, and since dogs especially, evolved to be
opportunistic eaters (scavengers) and in "the wild" there is no
guaranteed of a balanced food source, nor a varied one, there was
much more room for leeway than the pet food marketing or vets would
have you beleive. I think also, in Dr. Strombeck's book he makes
mention of something very similar.

I still worry some, monitor what they eat, see how they are feeling,
check their eliminations, but I also relax more and don't stress too
much. Its my cat a get a little more worried over, she is pickier and
people keep telling me that we know much less about their nutritional
needs. But again, the same logic applies. IF they were fending for
themselves, they would eat was what available.

Stephany

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8a. Too much variety or bad chicken? (was: Physical Symptoms Since Start
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 10:49 am ((PDT))

I'd lean more towards the variety causing the loose stools than bad
chicken. If it were my dog, I'd fast him for a day, put the
questionable chicken in the freezer, get some new stuff, and feed a
small meal after the fast. Once things get back to normal you can try
the questionable chicken again, and if you get loose stools or stomach
upset, toss it. But for now, fast, give water, start slow. Slippery
Elm might help soothe his digestive track as well.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Ivette Casiano <ivettecasiano@...>
wrote:

> I thought the first night had been from new meat I had fed him this
> past week (buffalo, pork neck). So I didn't realize that it
> could've been the chicken that was bad. Since I have continued to
> feed him only chicken (portions had been frozen then thawed fro
> each feeding) for the past 3 days, I'm assuming the chicken was
> bad or could it have been something else?

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9a. Re: Chicken feet with nails ?? ok ?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 10:50 am ((PDT))

They look scary, don't they? Don't worry, they are actually really
soft and aren't a problem. One of my cats only eats the nails
and "fingertips" and leaves the leftovers for the puppy.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Claudia NUnes
<claudiacpn_groups@...> wrote:

> I have always given them without nails . can they be a hazard
> or tear something inside ?

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9b. Re: Chicken feet with nails ?? ok ?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 10:50 am ((PDT))

>I have always given them without nails

Hi,Claudia. I have never seen chicken feet without nail,so,I feed feet with nail on and my dog have no problems with it.

They just love crunchy feet a lot!

yassy

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9c. Re: Chicken feet with nails ?? ok ?
Posted by: "jrtsnabc" jrtsnabc@yahoo.com jrtsnabc
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 10:51 am ((PDT))

Hi Claudia,

I fed about 3 or 4 big chicken feet with claws to my little 7.5 pound JRT. About a day later, she had blood in her urine. Bright red and fresh at first but, after about 8 or 9 hours, she passed a large clot. This really scared me. The only thing I could surmise (and I'll be curious to see what others say) is that a claw punctured something causing her to have blood in her urine. After the large clot passed, she was fine. I haven't fed the feet with claws to her since and this hasn't happened since.

If I do feed her chicken feet again, it will be without the claws.

Katherine and the JRTs & BC
Windsor, CO

Subject: [rawfeeding] Chicken feet with nails ?? ok ?

Hi,

I've been feeeding chicken feet regularly but this

week i bought them at a new place and when i went to

check them i saw they still have their nails .

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9d. Re: Chicken feet with nails ?? ok ?
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 10:57 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, jrtsnabc <jrtsnabc@...> wrote:
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> Hi Claudia,
>
> I fed about 3 or 4 big chicken feet with claws to my little 7.5
pound JRT. About a day later, she had blood in her urine.

*** The chicken toes would have had nothing to do with blood in the
urine. In the *extremely* unlikely event that a claw did puncture
something, there would have been blood in the stool, not the urine.
The bladder is in no way connected to the digestive tract. The blood
in the urine was from some other cause.

--Carrie

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10a. Re: yet another fish oil question
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 10:51 am ((PDT))

>I've been reading posts about fish oil and some say human grade is
>excellent for dogs,

Hi,Laurie.Yes,human one I hear is better because cheaper and no filler in the capsule.
I am not sure about flavoring so,for flavoring matter,I leave it to other experienced member to help you out.

>I'm still confused about the dosing. I have fish oil (that I take) which is 9200 mg.

I give my dog 1000mg capsule< day 1 >1 capsule and <next day >2 capsule to even out the dosage.

Give 1000mg capsule per 20lb body is I am using as base on.And,my dog 30lb needs 1.5 daily but I even out by alternating 1 cap day and 2 cap day.

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11a. Re: Physical Symptoms Since Starting Raw
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 10:51 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Ivette Casiano
<ivettecasiano@...> wrote:
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> That night he vomitted his whole dinner and had diarrhea.

I doubt it was the chicken. I have fed my dogs some pretty bad
smelling chicken (actually some very bad smelling chicken) with no
ill effects. One of my Goldens used to love road kill squirrels
that had been laying out in the hot GA sunshine for a week or so.
She never had a single problem. (I didn't feed her those, but if
she could get to one before I saw it, she would eat it.) :) :) :)

It could have been something she got into that had nothing to do
with what you fed her.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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12a. Re: Grocery chicken and Turkey
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 10:52 am ((PDT))

>I feed chicken enhanced with saline solution sometimes. I feed chicken ehnanced
>with broth sometimes. I feed chicken that is not enhanced sometimes. I feed chicken >with carrageenan in it sometimes. I never even look at the package when I buy it.

Hi,Bill.Then,I still can feed it to my dog who has been on raw about 12 weeks only?

I try and see how it goes. Since this list tell new starters to buy chicken without broth etc so,I was thinking it was must to feed.. it may have been that some dogs react to it so be careful to buy sort of level caution?

Thank you for your response.

yassy

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13a. Re: New to raw/Help needed
Posted by: "nickandnoel@aol.com" nickandnoel@aol.com lils_danes
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 10:54 am ((PDT))

The only problem I've ever had with enhanced meat is yellowish diarrhea out
of one dane. The other danes in the house adjusted very nicely and we had no
issue with it. On the other hand we do now feed non-enhanced because we are
getting from a distributor at a great rate.

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13b. Re: New to raw/Help needed
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 10:57 am ((PDT))

>how do you clean up both the dog and the feeding area so they are safe?

Hi,Lora. I clean the heavy duty vynile shower curtain that I use for eating mat with 50water 50vinegar solution to clean. And,if my dog's muzzel get messy with ripping or holding ribs with paws and such,I clean her muzzel area and paw with the same water vinegar solution.

It works quite well for us.

>3. If Hubby insists I feed some grain and veggie what are the most
> innocuous additions you can suggest?

I used to think that good for human must be good for doggy,and vegitable itself has some nutrition we get it from.

BUT,if you think doggy teeth and our teeth,you recognise it is different.WE do not have sharpy teeth like dog and they do not have flatten teeth like us.

Sharp teeth for ripping stuff and our flatten teeth is for grinding stuff.

So,what we eat are different and inside their body is made differently so, what is good for us is not neccesary be good for them.

Good example is.. my dog likes corn kennel so,I used to give her nibble when I roast corn in oven. But then, next time,dog goes poo,it comes out as whole shaped not damaged piece of corn in the poo which means,no nutrition is given to my dog.

They cannot uterize nutrious benefit from veggie because it cannot be break down in their stomach.

You do not find meat the dog ate comes out from other side as whole undamaged meat piece,do you? That means,the dog got nutrition from meat and dog could uterize by themselves.

And,you eat rice and veggies,for example,you do not find the whole piece of veggies coming out from other end which means,we uterized nutrition from veggie unlike dog.

What they need is protin and fat;meat bone organ,and they thrive.

And also meat itself has lots and lots of nutrition that veggie can offer so,without veggie,they are fine.They can get same nutrition from meat.

Like if you like to offer veggie that contains Vitamin A,for example,dog can get Vitamin A from Beef Heart.

Plus veggie and grains are carb and it gets dog chunky too.

and grain sometimes make dog itchy too.

Veggie would not be something that hurt dog seriously except onion but, I don't feed veggie because i know it comes out as whole piece from other end and they don't get benefit from veggie's nutrition.

I am sorry i could not reply all of your questions but i am sure that others can help you out.

I hope mine helped you a bit.

yassy

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14. good find
Posted by: "frustrated_tracey" wagc@sasktel.net frustrated_tracey
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 11:00 am ((PDT))

I spoke with a Hutterite last night and asked him if he had any old
laying hens that I could buy feathers intact. He said he would get me
20 next time he was in town and they would be plucked at first he said
1000 but where would I put them. (I live in and own a
bar/hotel/restaurant so it's probably not a good idea to have feathers
all around) anyway he's giving them to me and told me to buy him a
beer. Wow, what a find. He has a guy in saskatoon that buys them for
$1.00 a bird, this guy uses them to make dog food. Even at a buck a
bird it's a good deal.

Tracey.

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15a. Big dog with small appetite - needs to gain weight
Posted by: "millser25" millser25@yahoo.com millser25
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 11:38 am ((PDT))

After about a year on raw, my 18 month old GSD seems to be losing his
appetite. He could really add another 5 pounds, and he's looking
awfully skinny. He just doesn't' really want to eat. I've tried
leaving the food with him for only 20 minutes, and then taking it away
until the next feeding time. I've tried only feeding him once a day.
But he still just licks his food and then ignores it or eats just a
little bit. I'd say he's probably eating less than a pound of food
each day. He should be eating more like 1.8-2.7 pounds. This has
been going on for the last 2 months or so.
I've been rotating whole chicken and beef back ribs, and offering
green tripe about once a week. Just this last week I've added in pork
riblets and picnic roast to the rotation. Some days he'll refuse one
type of meat and only eat the other - but then the next day it is
reversed. I usually offer two types of meat each meal, because if I
only offer one, he'll just refuse it. I've tried adding more fat to
his diet, but that seems to make his coat sort of greasy.
Right now, I'd say he is about 85 pounds, but really needs to be 90
pounds minimally. His health and behavior seem to be quite fine
otherwise. His poop is good, his activity level is high, no apparent
pain or discomfort, and his spirits appear normal.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Erica

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15b. Re: Big dog with small appetite - needs to gain weight
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 12:58 pm ((PDT))

Maybe that's just the weight he needs to be for the
summer.
Some dogs regulate themselves. His appetite will
probably perk up more when the colder months start
moving in.
Maybe try to vary the diet even more, I mean chicken
and beef for a year would make me turn my nose up too.

Try goat, lamb, more pork, turkey. Maybe even try
rabbit, if you can find it (just don't bulk up on it
because some dogs, like mine, really don't like it,
she only ate the spine and ribs, and left the good
meaty parts).
Try beef heart, beef liver (my dog loves this when
it's frozen but never at room temperature), beef
kidney.
My dog loves goat and lamb shoulder/ribs. (She's a
german shepherd/husky mix.)

Also, you may think he looks too skinny when in
reality he might be a good size. You might be
comparing him to over weight kibble-bloated dogs that
seem a "natural" weight.

I've even noticed lately with my dog during the heat
wave that her appetite isn't as huge as it was when I
first got her.

Try adding more variety and keep feeding only once a
day.

Nathalie

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15c. Re: Big dog with small appetite - needs to gain weight
Posted by: "Amanda Gelin" abooot99@yahoo.com abooot99
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 12:59 pm ((PDT))

funny you say that, my gsd is 13 months and is almost exactly the same way. He will eat only a little if any and refuses meat at times. I tried what you tried. Whats weird is he acts like he is starving at my moms house and just the other day after not eating anything, we go there and he eats a pound of liver and 1 pound of ground beef. I wonder if it is because at her house, she has a boxer (competition) so he is sure to eat it all before she does where at my house, there is no competition so he won't eat it.
Amanda

millser25 <millser25@yahoo.com> wrote:
After about a year on raw, my 18 month old GSD seems to be losing his
appetite. He could really add another 5 pounds, and he's looking
awfully skinny. He just doesn't' really want to eat. I've tried
leaving the food with him for only 20 minutes, and then taking it away
until the next feeding time. I've tried only feeding him once a day.
But he still just licks his food and then ignores it or eats just a
little bit. I'd say he's probably eating less than a pound of food
each day. He should be eating more like 1.8-2.7 pounds. This has
been going on for the last 2 months or so.
I've been rotating whole chicken and beef back ribs, and offering
green tripe about once a week. Just this last week I've added in pork
riblets and picnic roast to the rotation. Some days he'll refuse one
type of meat and only eat the other - but then the next day it is
reversed. I usually offer two types of meat each meal, because if I
only offer one, he'll just refuse it. I've tried adding more fat to
his diet, but that seems to make his coat sort of greasy.
Right now, I'd say he is about 85 pounds, but really needs to be 90
pounds minimally. His health and behavior seem to be quite fine
otherwise. His poop is good, his activity level is high, no apparent
pain or discomfort, and his spirits appear normal.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Erica

Amanda L. Gelin

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