[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11884

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: new dogs to raw with runny poos
From: carnesbill
1b. Re: new dogs to raw with runny poos
From: Andrea

2a. Re: Lethargic pup
From: carnesbill
2b. Re: Lethargic pup
From: carnesbill
2c. Re: Lethargic pup
From: Michael Moore
2d. Re: Lethargic pup
From: Michael Moore
2e. Re: Lethargic pup
From: Daisy Foxworth
2f. Chicken feet with nails ?? ok ?
From: Claudia NUnes

3a. New to raw/Help needed
From: The Bridgers
3b. Re: New to raw/Help needed
From: carnesbill

4.1. Turkey Legs
From: emmiemileslouie
4.2. Re: Turkey Legs
From: Yasuko herron
4.3. Re: Turkey Legs
From: Sonja
4.4. Re: Turkey Legs
From: Tina Berry

5. Trimming the Beef
From: cresco299

6.1. Re: all these problems
From: Andrea

7a. Re: Physical Symptoms Since Starting Raw
From: Ivette Casiano

8a. Re: chicken quarters
From: emil smolensky

9. Teething and not eating bones
From: Kendra

10a. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
From: Melissa

11. yet another fish oil question
From: Laurie

12a. Re: The theories behind veggies & fruit
From: grace grasso

13a. Re: Flies!!!
From: Kathleen

14. Question-5 weeks of Rawfeeding and lots of shedding
From: theglassengineer

15a. Re: calcium/magnesium ratio????
From: costrowski75

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1a. Re: new dogs to raw with runny poos
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 6:53 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "faintatheart" <e.l.o.i.s.e@...>
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> my dogs are having a lot of issues with runny poo... will these
firm up over time? is it just the
> switch?

What parts are you feeding them? Are you feeding the whole part or
are you feeding meat with some bone added? Is any of it ground?

If you are feeding them whole parts, I suspect you may be
overfeeding them. Dogs that size only need around 1/2lb a DAY of
food. That is not very much and it is very easy to overfeed them.
Too much food can cause runny stools.

I wouldn't branch out into new meats until their stools firm up.

Bill Carnes
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Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1b. Re: new dogs to raw with runny poos
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 7:41 am ((PDT))

Hmm. I would stick with one protien source until you get the poo
situation under controll. You said the meat isn't enhanced, but
maybe you should change brands, just in case this one doesn't agree
with the dogs. I doubt it is any kind of allergy since it is both
dogs reacting the same way. Did the package say "minimally
processed" or did it just not say it was enhanced? Itchy dogs says
enhanced meat to me. One of my boys itches like mad anytime he eats
enhanced meat.

If you feed through a whole turkey, you don't have to worry about
feeding too little bone. As for non chicken bone sources, try a
bunch and see what is edible for them. Rabbit, quail, duck, goat,
lamb, pork, fish. . .the list goes on. I don't offer beef bones
other than ribs and the occasional meaty neck, and they usually just
gnaw on the bones, they don't consume them.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "faintatheart" <e.l.o.i.s.e@...>
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> hello,
> I have been feeding my two dogs (14lbs and 20 lbs) raw for 2 weeks.
> I started with turkey and have just given two meals of pork. the
> meat i have been feeding is not enhanced in any way. and I haven't
> feed anything but raw for the two weeks. my dogs are having a lot
> of issues with runny poo... will these firm up over time? is it
> just the switch?

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2a. Re: Lethargic pup
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 6:54 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, grace grasso <gracegrasso@...>
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> Inspite of what some think dogs need more that just meat.
>

What and why?

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2b. Re: Lethargic pup
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 6:58 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Naomi Bjorgan <ngbjorgan@...>
wrote:
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> Her stools are mix diarrhea and firm. She sleeps a lot! Is it
> because she's growing so much right now, or could it be because
> of the
> heat here in the Philippines, or could it be her adjustment to raw
> food? I guess the other option is all of the above too?

At this stage it could be anything. It could be nothing or it could
be something serious. You did feed a lot of variety very quickly.
Why don't you just feed chicken only for a few days and see if that
doesn't firm her up? Be sure you aren't overfeeding her also.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2c. Re: Lethargic pup
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 7:41 am ((PDT))

>>Try Call of the Wild suppliments which will replace the calcuim and 3-v caps which support omega-3's.with your ground meat, fish and vegetables and see how he does. This has supported my lab puppy.

Inspite of what some think dogs need more that just meat.<<

Well, Grace, in spite of what *you* think, dogs have *no* need for vegetables. Period. Dogs are carnivores, feeding on omnivores, but they themselves are carnivores. Proven fact. Not what any of us "think" -- it's fact.

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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2d. Re: Lethargic pup
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 7:55 am ((PDT))

>>We got her August 2nd and began her right away on raw food. She was on kibble
prior. Her stools are mix diarrhea and firm. . . .

I am concerned if we may have been overzealous in feeding her too much
variety in the beginning. So far in the few days she's been with us
she's eaten chicken, chicken gizzards, liver and heart, pork, beef and
one fish. We hucked eggs in one of her dishes when they had broken en
route to home from the market.
Could this be part of the problem? She is very happy and doesn't seem
to complain about any tummy trouble. She just sleeps a lot.<<

Wow, Naomi, unless the first is a typo, you *are* feeding a lot of variety too quickly, IMO. In four days you've given six different proteins, plus liver!
Even when I have switched young puppies to raw, I stayed with one protein source for a week or so, then *gradually* added new proteins. You Several of the foods you mention can give some dogs loose stools, particularly liver. If this was my puppy, I would start over -- with one type of protein -- doesn't matter which you pick, for a week or so.
However, because we have 3 mos. old puppies, I can tell you that ours do *not* sleep "a lot" -- they are very active. This might be reason for concern. If you met your puppy prior to bringing her home, was her activity level different then? Perhaps it's time for a vet consultation, or at the least, a conversation with her breeder.

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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2e. Re: Lethargic pup
Posted by: "Daisy Foxworth" daisyfoxworth@yahoo.com daisyfoxworth
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 7:59 am ((PDT))

> Inspite of what some think dogs need more that just meat.
>
Depends what you mean by "meat". If you mean just muscle meat, we do
agree with that. They need the other parts of the prey as well, like
bone and organs and skin. We also don't think the "meat" should be
ground.

Daisy.

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2f. Chicken feet with nails ?? ok ?
Posted by: "Claudia NUnes" claudiacpn_groups@yahoo.com claudiacpn_groups
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:14 am ((PDT))

Hi,
I've been feeeding chicken feet regularly but this
week i bought them at a new place and when i went to
check them i saw they still have their nails . I have
always given them without nails . can they be a hazard
or tear something inside ? sorry if its a stupid
question but i am unsure whether to give it with the
nails . I suppose wolves eat them with nails and all
but ..
thanks.
Regards.

Claudia from Rio de Janeiro Brazil (for Juju all-mix 22lbs ,Milou TFT 8lbs,Emily poodle mix 8lbs, Miyuki GSD 30lbs)

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3a. New to raw/Help needed
Posted by: "The Bridgers" ctblmmb@adelphia.net sunflowerny67
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 6:55 am ((PDT))

Hi,

I have a 36 pound Aussie mix (Bridget) who I have been feeding raw for the
past week. (I adopted her 3 months ago)

Chicken Leg quarters, a tiny bit of liver and a bit of whatever it is that
comes in a package marked Chicken hearts and gizzards. Also picked up some
beef heart and pork to start her on as well.

She usually eats the thigh of the quarter in the morning and then I put the
leg back into the bag for night.

So far so good, I am happy she is happy. I may be feeding a bit too much
cause Hubby says she is gaining weight, but we will work that out.

Questions:

1. My mother is worried about the quality of meat I am feeding -
particularly heavy metals and toxins having accumulated in the marrow of the
bones? Can anyone comment to that? She would like me to buy only organic
free range but I cannot afford that and it seems that no one else here
worries to much about that beyond avoiding "enhanced" meat.

2. Both Hubby and Mom are concerned about the raw meat rubbing from her
(Bridget's) face/paws onto us or my 9 year old after she eats. What are the
chances of contaminants spreading and how do you clean up both the dog and
the feeding area so they are safe?

3. If Hubby insists I feed some grain and veggie what are the most innocuous
additions you can suggest?

4. I will have to kennel her for 6 days beginning Wednesday and they will
feed ground raw but not bones. I put some chicken leg quarters (also some
liver and a few gizzards) through an old hand grinder (cast iron, attaches
to table). It looks good to me, will the bone pieces be safe or should I go
to the store and buy some plain ground chicken to send with her?

Thank you so much,

Lora

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3b. Re: New to raw/Help needed
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:17 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "The Bridgers" <ctblmmb@...>
wrote:
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> Questions:

> 1. My mother is worried about the quality of meat I am feeding -
> particularly heavy metals and toxins having accumulated in
> the marrow of the
> bones? Can anyone comment to that?

The chickens you are feeding are only 8 or 9 weeks old. Nowhere
near enough time for any heavy metals to accumilate in the body.

> She would like me to buy only organic
> free range but I cannot afford that and it seems that no one
> else here
> worries to much about that beyond avoiding "enhanced" meat.

If you do some research, you will find how little difference there
is between organic free range and regular stuff. It doesn't take
much at all to declare something to be ogranic free range. Not
enough to make a difference in the meat.

I don't worry about "enhanced" meats. I've been feeding it for 4
1/2 years with no problems. I talk to A LOT of raw feeders and
except for a very few on this list, I have never encountered a
single person (dog) that had a problem with it. I would say it has
no effect on 99% of the dogs in the world.

It's very easy to answer a health or digestion question on this or
any other list by saying, "Oh, it must be enhanced meat", and doing
no further research.

> 2. Both Hubby and Mom are concerned about the raw meat
> rubbing from her
> (Bridget's) face/paws onto us or my 9 year old after she
> eats.

Hubby and Mom worry a lot. Poor you. :) :) :)

> What are the
> chances of contaminants spreading and how do you clean up both
> the dog and
> the feeding area so they are safe?

The chances are zero. I clean neither the dogs nor their eating
places. My dogs clean their own eating places by licking them
clean. Some people use a damp rag, some use vinegar, a few use
chlorox.

> 3. If Hubby insists I feed some grain and veggie what are the
> most innocuous
> additions you can suggest?

Hubby needs to do some research and stop worrying so much. Tell him
you will feed your dog some grain when he can show you a dog eating
out in a grain field. He is trying to equate a dog's nutritional
needs with a humans and believe it or not, they are two different
animals with different needs. Ask him what nutrition he thinks a
dog would get from veggies or grains that they don't get from raw
meat, bones, and organs. The answer is "none".

> 4. I will have to kennel her for 6 days beginning Wednesday
> and they will
> feed ground raw but not bones.

I would just let them feed him some ground meat for a week. It
won't hurt him to go a week without bone or organ. A year from now
you won't be able to tell the difference. :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4.1. Turkey Legs
Posted by: "emmiemileslouie" lklora@sbcglobal.net emmiemileslouie
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 7:41 am ((PDT))

Still relatively new at this, have only been feeding raw for a few
months. Are turkey legs o.k for an 80lb. dog? My concern is the bone.
Have read conflicting opinions in the archives regarding this.

Thanks,
Linda

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4.2. Re: Turkey Legs
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:19 am ((PDT))

>Are turkey legs o.k for an 80lb. dog? My concern is the bone.

Hello,Linda. .I hear a lot of Turkey neck for bigger dog if you worry about swallowing bone thing,but I haven't read one with Turkey leg. I may have been missed thread ?

As long as your dog crunch the bone,I think it is ok to give.Turkey itself is huge bird so,if you worry about leg only to give for swallowing matter,why not buying whole Turkey and whack it and give your dog portion of Turkey with leg attached?

That may reduce your fear of swallowing bone.

If you worry about hardness of bone,it is tougher than chicken but even my corgi can crunch down,so,I think bigger dog will have no problems.

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4.3. Re: Turkey Legs
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:19 am ((PDT))

Should be fine for an 80 lbs dog. My lab is 55 lbs and can handle turkey legs without a problem.

Sonja

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4.4. Re: Turkey Legs
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:20 am ((PDT))

I feed my 80+lbers turkey legs with no problems. The only thing I noticed
is if I have fed them several days in a row, there may be some shards of
bone in their stool, but no worries. I prefer not to feed hollow bones
(legs) by themselves; if I feed whole chickens daily for example, I never
see shards of bone in their stool - only if I've fed turkely legs alone for
a couple of days in a row.
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5. Trimming the Beef
Posted by: "cresco299" gentry.jeffrey@yahoo.com cresco299
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 7:41 am ((PDT))

I found a nice deal on an 8lb beef brisket (Excel Meat) yesterday. It
was $1.62/lb so I snatched it up.

This was by no means a lean cut of beef. Lots of fat on top, bottom
and sides. In all, I trimmed off a little over a pound of fat, and
there was still plenty attached. Aside from the fact that the pound
of fat I threw away actually made this "great deal" not nearly as
great as I had thought (Basically jacked the price up to $1.91/lb),
did I do a disservice to my dogs by not letting them eat what I
perceived to be excessive amounts of fat? Or am I right to moderate
their intake?

Jeff

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6.1. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 7:58 am ((PDT))

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To be safe, you might want to slow down on the variety. When we talk
about too much liver at once, it is usually related to bowel
tolerance, i.e. cannon butt resulting from too much liver. But some
dogs do reject some foods because they don't "feel" right in the
tummy. One of my dogs would throw up any substantial amount of new
fish. Small amounts of the fish would stay down when fed with usual
foods, though. My puppy thinks that anything soft and squidgy should
be swallowed whole, and the first time he "ate" a chunk of liver it
was brought back up about 20 minutes later to be re-eaten. I freeze
squidgy things for him now, and he eats them politely. But it sounds
like Nugget is doing well trying new things! If his poos get sloppy,
back off of the variety for a bit. Good luck!

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Ivette Casiano <ivettecasiano@...>
wrote:
> Nugget threw up his entire dinner and again, slimy water, no smell,
> no color. None of his vomit had bad smell to it and he had just
> gone out and I suspect had eaten grass to throw up.
> Background info - I've been feeding him chicken and lamb, no
> probelm. Tried beef kidney and finally got him to eat it a little
> frozen, no problem. I guess I got excited and bought pork necks,
> fish, liver, buffalo. Gave him fish one day this week, no problem,
> the next day pork neck, no problem, today chicken and 2 1/2 oz.
> liver, 4 hours later vomit. Did I get over zealous and feed too
> many different new things in one week? Or did I feed too much
> liver. I heard you couldn't give them too much liver at once, I
> thought that amount was small enough, was I wrong?

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7a. Re: Physical Symptoms Since Starting Raw
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:15 am ((PDT))

I need help. My Lab has been on raw chicken, some lamb, kidneys, and tried fish once. He was doing just fine until this past week. On Friday I bought some chicken that was on sale and when we got it home to portion out for his feedings it didn't have a good smell. I had read on this group's list that dogs can eat meat that doesn't smell quite good (and people wouldn't eat). It didn't look awful and was only slightly smelly. I took off the skin (since that's what smelled) and washed the chicken and fed it to Nugget anyway. That night he vomitted his whole dinner and had diarrhea. This was also the day I introduced a little (2 1/2 oz., he weighs 100lbs) of liver for the first time. I assumed it had been the liver but he has had diarrhea for 3 days. I thought the first night had been from new meat I had fed him this past week (buffalo, pork neck). So I didn't realize that it could've been the chicken that was bad. Since I have continued to feed him only chicken (portions had
been frozen then thawed fro each feeding) for the past 3 days, I'm assuming the chicken was bad or could it have been something else?
All opinions welcomed.

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8a. Re: chicken quarters
Posted by: "emil smolensky" esmolensky@yahoo.com esmolensky
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:18 am ((PDT))

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Sorry, I meant to say he's a 75# 6mos old pup. But .59/lb was right.
Thank you!

EMIL

----- Original Message ----
From: linoleum5017 <linoleum5017@yahoo.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 10:19:42 PM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: chicken quarters

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogro ups.com, "esmolensky" <esmolensky@ ...> wrote:
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> Will chicken quarters fulfill the meat/bone ratio to for now a 7536
> mos. old boeboel pup? Or is that way to small portions. I just
happen
> to see frozen quarters for $5.90 for 10#bag. I think this is cheap.
> Most times i can't find whole chicken under 1 dollar.
>
> Emil and Reagan
>
E & R,

I had to get my calculator out to determine the age of your pup - who
is, I'm afraid to tell you, 628 years old! Don't know if you're being
funny, or made a typo. (Hoping for the latter.) In any case,
anything under $1/lb. is a great deal by the list standard-bearers.
Again, the calculator reports .59/lb. That's great! (Assuming those
price numbers are not typos, as well.) Go for it.

Lynne

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9. Teething and not eating bones
Posted by: "Kendra" kborland@ptd.net knkbor
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:18 am ((PDT))

Hello all!
'Tana is now 5+ months old. Just in the last 3 days he is turning up
his nose at chicken backs and leg quarters. He tastes them, but almost
seems afraid to eat them. I got to thinking that he's probably working
on getting his adult molars (I don't know, do the baby ones fall out
soon?) and maybe his mouth is too sore to chew them?
So, after offering them to him as usual, and leaving him with it for 15
min or so wiithout him even trying to work on it, I pick it up and chop
it up with my meat cleaver. I'm making sure that the bones are very
small chop, so that they can't get lodged in his throat or whatever.

I guess my question is, has anyone else tried this approach? And is it
ok that I'm doing this for a short time? Up till now he's taken right
to just about anything I give him. But right now, even beef heart
seems a little bit daunting for him to chew.

TIA,
Kendra, mom to ADT Sasha 12 and Montana 5 months

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10a. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
Posted by: "Melissa" mwood8402@yahoo.com mwood8402
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:20 am ((PDT))

I have pretty good luck shopping frequently and buying meat that is
approaching the sell by date. I stop in 1-2 times a week and almost
always find something that's marked down 50-75%. I have found some
really good stuff that way... but I also have a small dog, so I don't
need huge quantities.

-Melissa W

> We've been feeding raw for almost four months now, and it is going
> great. A couple of questions: I feel like Spenser could use a bit
> more meaty meat in his diet, but I have trouble finding it at a
> reasonable price.

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11. yet another fish oil question
Posted by: "Laurie" lnhoffman57@aol.com lauriescritters
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:20 am ((PDT))

I've been reading posts about fish oil and some say human grade is
excellent for dogs, but I'm still confused about the dosing. I have
fish oil (that I take) which is 9200 mg. per 2 tsp super concentrated
(1518 mg.EPA/966 mg.DHA). It provides 20 IU Vit E in a lemon flavor
base. Do you think this product is appropriate for my 50 pound dog and
if so, at what dose? Thanks in advance for any help and advice!!

Laurie

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12a. Re: The theories behind veggies & fruit
Posted by: "grace grasso" gracegrasso@yahoo.com gracegrasso
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:21 am ((PDT))

Hi Naomi,
My homeopatic nutritionalist advises me to provide some veggies at each meal. She said it supplies plant enzymes, as well as needed vitamins and fiber . Preferably water rich dark leafy greens, green beans, squash. She also said that in 2006 it was discovered that dogs can not process omega3 from a non animal source so flax seed is not useful. Sardines are a wonderful food. She gave me research notes which also said that some dogs can benefit from some whole grains such as brown rice, oats and barley in scant amounts. The new evidence shows that seared meat is more digestable and that maybe it is the better ingredients we use in the "raw diet" and not just the "raw" diet.
Although I do not have the knowlege base of a homepathic nutritionalist I am an RN with a nutrition background. I think it is important to keep an open mind and use more than just one resource.
Dr. Charles Loops, DMV has a good website.
Grace

Naomi Bjorgan <ngbjorgan@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

What is the research around digested fruit and veggies for dogs from
animal carcasses? Should a small amount of veggies be included which
are ground or lightly cooked? If so how much and how often?

Thanks,

Naomi

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13a. Re: Flies!!!
Posted by: "Kathleen" kbabcock1@yahoo.com kbabcock1
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:21 am ((PDT))

We have a problem with flies as well as yellow jackets, and birds. I ordered the fliesbegone, does anyone know if it will help with the yellow jackets? I got stung trying to protect my dog last night as they were flying around her mouth after she ate. The birds, however, creep me out. As soon as they see her, they start gathering, on my roof, on my shed, in my tree, reminds me of the birds. I go out every night with the papers to fan her with so the flies + leave her alone. LOL

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14. Question-5 weeks of Rawfeeding and lots of shedding
Posted by: "theglassengineer" theglassengineer@yahoo.com theglassengineer
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:22 am ((PDT))

Hi all,
I started raw-feeding my 7 year-old basenji 5 weeks ago. Of course,
she loves whatever meat I give her. She is shedding her entire coat
and I mean, lots and lots of hair. She has never shed before. Her
stools appear to be normal (from what I've learned and read on this
list).

I live in Minnesota where it has been in the 90's the last two weeks.
Perhaps this is related to the outdoor temperatures however, I am
unsure.

Is this a normal effect from the change in diet?
Thank you in advance for your help.
Kind regards,
Dawn

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15a. Re: calcium/magnesium ratio????
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 9:29 am ((PDT))

"Katie" <kcrockett@...> wrote:
she is INSISTENT that I at least "work" with a vet on my dog's
diet . . .
> she claims that raw is ok, as long as I'm careful about the ratio of
calcium to magnesium -
> has anyone ever heard of this?
*****
STOP being defensive!
Simply tell her a menu based (however broadly) on a what a wolf (your
dog) would eat under optimal circumstances (the prey) provides
appropriate amounts of calcium and magnesium.

If she wants to pursue the topic, let her provide evidence to the
contrary. You cannot argue against vague, unformed accusations. Tell
her she needs to lay her cards out before you will play her game.

She's full of it.
Chris O

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