[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11905

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Fw:: New member with IBS Toy Poodle
From: PAM CURL

2a. Older Dog Looking At Me Like I'm Nuts!
From: L.Tucker
2b. Re: Older Dog Looking At Me Like I'm Nuts!
From: Giselle
2c. Re: Older Dog Looking At Me Like I'm Nuts!
From: L.Tucker

3a. Re: dogs on and off of food
From: Andrea
3b. Re: dogs on and off of food
From: mgitaville

4a. Re: weight loss
From: natgs
4b. Re: weight loss
From: Nathalie Poulin
4c. Re: weight loss
From: Doni
4d. Re: weight loss
From: Doni
4e. Re: weight loss
From: Nathalie Poulin

5a. Re: Processing Tripe
From: doguenanny
5b. Re: Processing Tripe
From: Yasuko herron

6a. newbie ? about salmon & diarrhea
From: Louisa
6b. Re: newbie ? about salmon & diarrhea
From: costrowski75

7a. Re: New member with IBS Toy Poodle
From: carnesbill
7b. Re: New member with IBS Toy Poodle
From: ginny wilken

8a. Re: bone and blood in the stool
From: span88888
8b. Re: bone and blood in the stool
From: Nathalie Poulin
8c. Re: bone and blood in the stool
From: carnesbill
8d. Re: bone and blood in the stool
From: Yasuko herron

9a. Re: variety
From: mgitaville

10a. Beginning
From: Patty Reid

11.1. Eggs
From: Nathalie Poulin

12. Feeding raw, second time around - intro
From: funder_memphis

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1. Fw:: New member with IBS Toy Poodle
Posted by: "PAM CURL" bpcurl@verizon.net bpcurl
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:19 am ((PDT))

> Hi Amanda,
> Just read your post and I see you give Ester C. Just a quick
> comment-- Vit C can cause loose stools. It is to be fed to bowel
> tolerance; if you have to give it at all. Perhaps you could stop
the Vit. C
> for a while and see if that helps.
> Good Luck with Pippin,
> Pam C

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2a. Older Dog Looking At Me Like I'm Nuts!
Posted by: "L.Tucker" ltucker@sympatico.ca love_rescue_dogs
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:53 am ((PDT))

My newly adopted Greyhound has taken right to his raw chicken halves
or quarters but my 10/11 ish terrier/hound mix doesn't know what to do
with it. He's tried licking it to death but that's about it. I find
it kind of comical because he's a master chewer-pulls pieces off black
kongs and will chew old bones for hours.
Any suggestions how I can "train" him to tackle the raw?

Leanne Tucker

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2b. Re: Older Dog Looking At Me Like I'm Nuts!
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:41 am ((PDT))

Hi, Leanne!
Try ribboning the meat with a knife or kitchen shears, to
leave strips attached to the main piece of meat that your dog can grab
onto and chew off.

You could also try cutting slits into the meat and rubbing Parmesan
cheese or smelly canned fish into the slits.

You could also try searing the meat quickly in a very hot frying pan
to get some enticing aroma coming odd it. Offer when cooled down a bit.

Um, you could try putting it in his 'special place' where he likes to
chew toys 'n things. Put a towel or old rug on the spot if you're
worried about stains. Take up the Kongs and old bones (what kind of
old bones?), to encourage chewing.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> My newly adopted Greyhound has taken right to his raw chicken halves
> or quarters but my 10/11 ish terrier/hound mix doesn't know what to do
> with it. He's tried licking it to death but that's about it. I find
> it kind of comical because he's a master chewer-pulls pieces off black
> kongs and will chew old bones for hours.
> Any suggestions how I can "train" him to tackle the raw?
>
> Leanne Tucker
>

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2c. Re: Older Dog Looking At Me Like I'm Nuts!
Posted by: "L.Tucker" ltucker@sympatico.ca love_rescue_dogs
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:07 pm ((PDT))

[ Take up the Kongs and old bones (what kind of
> old bones?), to encourage chewing.]

Thanks Giselle. Great suggestions. Don't worry about the old bones
they've all been thrown out. They were the pre-packaged type you can
buy at pet food stores in the frozen section. Nature's Variety
maybe? Uncooked with a bit of marrow.

Leanne Tucker
> >
>

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3a. Re: dogs on and off of food
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:01 am ((PDT))

I live in Central Ca and during the summer it is rediculously hot. As
soon as the temp starts to rise my GSP, Geiger, starts to eat less.
During every other season he alternates between big meals/no meals,
meaning one day he'll eat a huge amount of food and the next eats
little or nothing, but in the summer he has no interest in gorging. He
eats once a day and most of the time he only picks at his food. He
isn't as active during the summer, so I guess he just knows he doesn't
need that much food.

You can try feeding frozen or semi-frozen meals if you feel he needs to
eat more. Both of my dogs prefer their food slightly frosty during
these hot months. Good luck.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "redwinejoy" <redwine1@...> wrote:
>
> Does the heat affect any of your dog's appetites like this? He has
> always been finicky and that is one of the reasons I got involved
> researching this to begin with.

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3b. Re: dogs on and off of food
Posted by: "mgitaville" mgitaville@hotmail.com mgitaville
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:57 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "redwinejoy" <redwine1@...> wrote:
..... I need to know if I should try some different things, cutting
meat off the bones,
> anything... or just keep offering. Thanks, Joy R.
>

******Just keep offering and if chooses not to eat put it away for the
next day. The heat can certainly change their appetites just as it can
with us humans. Having a bullmastiff that does not tolerate heat well
I see this frequently with our DC summers. I agree with the other
poster about possibly feeding partially frozen - this is not uncommon
for me to do and can help. I also try to make sure to wait an hour to
hour and a half to feed after coming in to give him plenty of time to
cool off (aka being an area rug on the tile floor) before feeding.

Marguerita

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4a. Re: weight loss
Posted by: "natgs" natgs@yahoo.com natgs
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:06 am ((PDT))

Hi there.

I would definitely not mix kibble and raw. They are digested
differently, which may cause problems for some dogs (e.g.,
indigestion, diarrhea).

When you were feeding only raw for two weeks, did she poop a lot or a
little? A raw-fed dog who properly digests his/her food should have
small stools that easily crumble (the stool may be a bit lose when
introducing new foods/not feeding enough bone).

Based on what I know from your post, I would fist fast your girl for
24-36 hours to clean up her system. Then start with some easily
digestible raw meals (e.g., chicken leg quarters have a good meat/bone
ratio). Monitor her poop. If too much/diarrhea comes out, then she's
not digesting her food properly, which could be the result of not
enough 'good' bacteria in her colon. If that happens, we can talk more
about what to do next.

Hope this helps,

Natalya

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "nsdbernd" <nsdbernd@...> wrote:
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>I have a great dane who seemed to do well for
> the first 2 weeks on raw. Then she stopped eating and has really lost
> some weight, and she didn't have much to spare!
> I tried to get her through this rough spot buy supplementing with some
> kibble, but now she's having major diarrhea!

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4b. Re: weight loss
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:40 am ((PDT))

What kind of meat were you feeding her?
I was afraid my girl was losing a little too much
weight and I gave her a few meals of pork and now
she's looking a lot better.
Try reducing the amount of bone you give her and add
lots of meat and fat. Pork, or beef. Even goat, if you
can get it.
If you were only giving her chicken, she might be
bored of it after 2 weeks. I know my dog doesn't like
chicken too much now that i've given her pork and goat
and beef.
Once you go raw, there's really no need to substitute
with kibble. Kibble will only make things worse.
Cut the kibble out immediately. Just give her meatier
chunks of meat with fat and it should work out ok.

Nathalie

> I'm new to the raw diet. I have a great dane who
> seemed to do well for
> the first 2 weeks on raw. Then she stopped eating
> and has really lost
> some weight, and she didn't have much to spare!
> I tried to get her through this rough spot buy
> supplementing with some
> kibble, but now she's having major diarrhea!

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4c. Re: weight loss
Posted by: "Doni" nsdbernd@yahoo.com nsdbernd
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:07 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Nathalie Poulin
<poulin_nathalie@...> wrote:
>
> What kind of meat were you feeding her?
> I was afraid my girl was losing a little too much
> weight and I gave her a few meals of pork and now
> she's looking a lot better.
> Try reducing the amount of bone you give her and add
> lots of meat and fat. Pork, or beef. Even goat, if you
> can get it.
> If you were only giving her chicken, she might be
> bored of it after 2 weeks. I know my dog doesn't like
> chicken too much now that i've given her pork and goat
> and beef.
> Once you go raw, there's really no need to substitute
> with kibble. Kibble will only make things worse.
> Cut the kibble out immediately. Just give her meatier
> chunks of meat with fat and it should work out ok.
>
> Nathalie
>
> > I'm new to the raw diet. I have a great dane who
> > seemed to do well for
> > the first 2 weeks on raw. Then she stopped eating
> > and has really lost
> > some weight, and she didn't have much to spare!
> > I tried to get her through this rough spot buy
> > supplementing with some
> > kibble, but now she's having major diarrhea!
>
>
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I was giving her a variety, beef, pork chicken, even some turkey.
Can I do anything to increase her appetite?
Doni

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4d. Re: weight loss
Posted by: "Doni" nsdbernd@yahoo.com nsdbernd
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:08 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "natgs" <natgs@...> wrote:
>
> Hi there.
>
> I would definitely not mix kibble and raw. They are digested
> differently, which may cause problems for some dogs (e.g.,
> indigestion, diarrhea).
>
> When you were feeding only raw for two weeks, did she poop a lot
or a
> little? A raw-fed dog who properly digests his/her food should have
> small stools that easily crumble (the stool may be a bit lose when
> introducing new foods/not feeding enough bone).
>
> Based on what I know from your post, I would fist fast your girl
for
> 24-36 hours to clean up her system. Then start with some easily
> digestible raw meals (e.g., chicken leg quarters have a good
meat/bone
> ratio). Monitor her poop. If too much/diarrhea comes out, then
she's
> not digesting her food properly, which could be the result of not
> enough 'good' bacteria in her colon. If that happens, we can talk
more
> about what to do next.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Natalya
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "nsdbernd" <nsdbernd@> wrote:
> >
> >I have a great dane who seemed to do well for
> > the first 2 weeks on raw. Then she stopped eating and has
really lost
> > some weight, and she didn't have much to spare!
> > I tried to get her through this rough spot buy supplementing
with some
> > kibble, but now she's having major diarrhea!
>

Sorry, what's fist fast? Before she went refused the raw, her
stools were getting condensed and turned chalky after day or two.
But she is actually refusing raw right now. I'm concerned about her
weight loss, she's naturally thin, but looking rather poorly right
this moment.

Doni

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4e. Re: weight loss
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:06 pm ((PDT))

It might also depend on where you live, if it's hot
where you are, some dogs just don't feel the need to
eat as much.
Maybe try fasting her for a day, and then feed her
closer to lunch instead of the morning after.
Start back with pork (if you know she tolerates it
well) and that might help.
How often are you feeding her? If you're feeding her
more than once a day, try feeding more in a single
meal. Some dogs feel more inclined to eat more if
they aren't sure when the next meal is coming.

Nathalie

>
> I was giving her a variety, beef, pork chicken, even
> some turkey.
> Can I do anything to increase her appetite?
> Doni
>
>

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5a. Re: Processing Tripe
Posted by: "doguenanny" Dixie4911@aol.com doguenanny
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 9:33 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Penny <redpenn2003@...> wrote:
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> Hi Frankie.
>
> Invest in a good sharp knife. You will need it for beef tripe
unless you give it to your dogues whole and let them tear it up. My
female DDB would bully my male so I choose to cut it up into
manageable pieces for myself. Then I freeze the rest in individual
large portions for later. It is a dirty job for me but the dogues
LOVE it so I suffer :0)
>
I am game for trying this out. If it means being able to feed tripe
more often, I will do it. I think I'll be able to handle it; I help
with gutting and cleaning dear when we get one, and the smell doesn't
bother me (except when I think about it being alive....then it makes
me feel bad! LOL) I don't think the cow's stomach will have the same
effect! I don't think it will be cleaned at all, I think he is just
going to take it from the cow, put it into a container, and call me.
If I have to, I'll buy some type of mask to wear. I know my dogues
love tripe, and it get's to be pretty expensive when feeding as many
as we do.

Anyway, thanks to all of you who answered my questions.

Frankie

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5b. Re: Processing Tripe
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:11 pm ((PDT))

>> Invest in a good sharp knife

Hi.I have never seen Tripe yet but wondering if Joyce Chen scissors that everybody love for cutting anything like butter would work or not.

It is cheaper than knife;I think mine costed 20 dollars or so from amazon.com.

I don't find whole Tripe yet so,the scissor is for poultry mainly but,I am interestd in trying if this scissor cut anything everything.

Anyone tried?

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6a. newbie ? about salmon & diarrhea
Posted by: "Louisa" lchandler@austin.rr.com lou_losgatos
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:27 am ((PDT))

Hello, I have been feeding raw for about 2 weeks. I gave the dogs
some raw salmon yesterday and today they have diarrhea. Did I give too
much too soon? What should I feed them today since I know that they
have upset stomachs? Would chicken be alright? That is what I started
them on and it was digested easily.

Thanks for any help/advice,

Louisa C.
Austin, TX

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6b. Re: newbie ? about salmon & diarrhea
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:36 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Louisa" <lchandler@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, I have been feeding raw for about 2 weeks. I gave the dogs
> some raw salmon yesterday and today they have diarrhea. Did I give
too
> much too soon?
*****
Certainly would be my guess. At this early stage, ANY amount of ANY
new protein may be too much. The most common cause of loose stools
is too much food, too much fat, too much new.

What should I feed them today since I know that they
> have upset stomachs?
*****
Nothing. If you are feeding two meals a day, skip one; if you are
feeding one meal a day, feed nothing today.

Skinless chicken would be fine to feed for the next meal. If the
loose stools continue, you might give your dogs some Slippery Elm
powder to soothe their irritated digestive system.
Chris O

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7a. Re: New member with IBS Toy Poodle
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:39 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "melime_lalaith2012" <white-
daisey@...> wrote:
>
Hi Amanda,
If it were my dog I would take him off the Z/D immediately. I would
not feed him another mouthful of that stuff. If you look at the
ingredients list you will see it is mostly potato reminants. Not
even whole potatoes. Of course he is not gaining weight.

Do not mix bits of meat with kibble. Just drop the kibble and
start feeding meat, bones and organs. I would drop all the
supplements for now, particularly the esther C. Dogs don't need
vitamin C as they manufacture it internally.

I would feed him chicken necks and wings for a couple of weeks
until his stools firm up then start adding a new protein source each
week. I would not feed any organs for 2 months.

Read the book "Work Wonders" by Dr. Tom Lonsdale. You can find it
at http://www.rawmeatybones.com

You can download it in PDF format
for free. Just click on the picture of the book on the main page.

A few informative web sites are:
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm (My web page)
http://rawfeddogs.net/

--- be sure and check the recipes page.
http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html
http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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7b. Re: New member with IBS Toy Poodle
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:48 am ((PDT))

On Aug 13, 2007, at 7:11 AM, melime_lalaith2012 wrote:
> ... he
> was eating the Z/D, and I would try adding some new meat, just a
> teaspoon to his food, but still he became itchy and would get
> diarhea. I tried him with chicken, turkey, beef, beef heart,white
> fish, lamb and horse so far, sometimes he can tolorate a tiny bit but
> if I up the dose he will get diarhea again. so I stop because he`s
> already a very skinny dog at just 1. 4 kilos! My vet said that maybe
> I shouldn`t try again until he has put on some weight but he`s been
> on the Z/D kibble for a month now without gaining any weight. I did
> once try him with cooked beef and potatoes, and he did well for a
> week, before getting diarhea again when I changed the source of beef
> and now he can`t even eat cooked and in fact if I feed him cooked,
> the next day he`ll become weak like he can`t absorb it!!! Sorry for
> my long post! I have him on probiotics and enzymes and ester c, he
> also recently was treated with homeoapthy as stress seems to upset
> him too, like meeting large barking dogs while out on our short
> walks. Any one elses dog here has been so sensitive to protein like
> this? I would really appreciate any advice!!!

You need to get him on all raw. This is massive systemic confusion
from all the inappropriate ingredients mixed with a bit of good
stuff, and is a frequent contributor to digestive upset. I'm
surprised your homeopath did not recognize the maintaining cause of
poor diet. The little guy is fighting his food with all his energy.

Allergic reactions, if they persist once diet is fixed, are indeed a
sign of chronic weakness which homeopathy is uniquely suited to
resolve, but you may need a different practitioner. If you want to
discuss this aspect further, please take it over the Rawchat. But in
the meantime, forget the vet's recco and feed him raw. He probably
doesn't have a real problem with any of these proteins in their
natural state. He needs nothing else, just meat and bones and a bit
of organs, and he can learn to eat them and tolerate them, too, if he
is not thrown off-track by inappropriate grains and cooked,
denatured, junk food.

Let us know....

ginny and Tomo

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8a. Re: bone and blood in the stool
Posted by: "span88888" span88888@yahoo.com span88888
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:15 am ((PDT))

Her stool last night was dark red at the tip but was otherwise normal.
This morning, it was greenish brown which is a huge relief.

I had fed her a little kibble yesterday to give her something easier
to digest and it seems to have helped. She was full of energy today,
something I haven't seen in her in the past few weeks.

I've seen big improvements on changing to raw. Her coat doesn't smell
and feels much softer, her teeth are whiter and her breath is clean.
She even listens more. But on the negative side, she's lazier (doesn't
run as often), vomits frequently, and her stool is inconsistent. I
realize I have to be more attentive to what I feed her but it's hard
to figure out.

I also have a 4 year-old belgium sheppherd that had problems with raw
meat in the beginning but has adapted nicely.

The beagle on the other hand adapted right away, but started having
problems 2-3 months later. I have to keep her on mostly chicken
because she doesn't seem to adapt completely to anything else. And
recently, she started having problems with chicken too.

This is where I'm conflicted because from one feeding of kibble, I
noticed she was back to her old playful, energetic self. I haven't
given up on the raw diet, but I may start cooking her meat or mixing
kibble in when I feel it will help.

Thanks

Steve

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8b. Re: bone and blood in the stool
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:41 am ((PDT))

I don't remember if you've stated this already, but
what EXACTLY are you feeding the dog?
During the week, what does the menu look like?

Nathalie

>
> I had fed her a little kibble yesterday to give her
> something easier
> to digest and it seems to have helped. She was full
> of energy today,
> something I haven't seen in her in the past few
> weeks.

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8c. Re: bone and blood in the stool
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:09 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "span88888" <span88888@...> wrote:
>
> I had fed her a little kibble yesterday to give her
> something easier
> to digest and it seems to have helped.

Believe it or not meat and bones are easier to digest than kibble.
Don't go throwing in the junk stuff to try to solve problems. In
reading this post and your past posts, I don't see any serious
problem. I see more or less normal results of a relatively new raw
fed dog.

> She was full of
> energy today,
> something I haven't seen in her in the past few weeks.

Of course she is. She got a shot of sugar yesterday evening.

> But on the negative side, she's lazier (doesn't
> run as often),

Some people would see that as a positive (not as hyper).

> vomits frequently, and her stool is inconsistent.

I'm suspecting meals are too large. That could cause both of these
problems as well as bone fragments in stool.

> I realize I have to be more attentive to what I feed her but
> it's hard to figure out.

Don't worry, it a very short period of time you will feed her
without thinking twice about it. You are to uptight about it now.
Just feed her a little less and see what happens.

> The beagle on the other hand adapted right away, but started having
> problems 2-3 months later. I have to keep her on mostly chicken
> because she doesn't seem to adapt completely to anything else. And
> recently, she started having problems with chicken too.

Feed less and maybe take the skin off. I'm pretty sure one of those
two will fix that problem.

> This is where I'm conflicted because from one feeding of kibble, I
> noticed she was back to her old playful, energetic self.

Sugar

> I haven't
> given up on the raw diet, but I may start cooking her meat
> or mixing
> kibble in when I feel it will help.

Both of those "non-solutions" will do more harm than doing nothig at
all.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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8d. Re: bone and blood in the stool
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:08 pm ((PDT))

>> I have to keep her on mostly chicken because she doesn't seem to adapt completely to >anything else. And recently, she started having problems with chicken too.

Hi. For this part,I have question to Bill.

I have heard when I was feeding kibble that you better pick 3 different brands kibble and rotate it now and then to avoid having allegy to anything that being fed long time.

Is it applied to rawfeeding too?

I mean,if one people feed just chicken,dog gets allegy problems?

> I haven't given up on the raw diet, but I may start cooking her meat or mixing
> kibble in when I feel it will help.

If you cooking meat, you cannot give bone because cooked bone is not good to give,so,you loose nutrition value from meat itself and loose calcium source due dog cannot get to eat bone. If you cook,you need to add calcium by grinding Egg shell etc,but I think rawfeeding is much much easier and nutritious than any option you can think of.

If you mix kibble to raw meat/cooked meat,the dog's digestion system may wrecked/suffer because kibble digestion,and meat digestion is different. You may have hard also that kibbledigestion takes much longer than meat digestion.So,digesting kibble is harder than meat too like Bill told you here .

Raw feeding isreally very simple way of feeding. Stick to one protin and if dog did ok with it,move on to the other. You may need longer time on particular type of protin like me;I had problem with lamb feeding with my dog so, whenI introduced lamb,I was on lamb for about 2 weeks...,but you can always back to basic protin the dog does well on and tweek the feeding stuff with obserbation.You can solve by doing ;feeding less,cut back new protin and more well digested meat more or add more bone or get rid of fat from meat by trimming stuff or get rid of skin from meat or ..reduce bone if constipated,reduce liver/Egg if too loose poo etc..

Everyone here has good suggestion so,if you follow,you can do it.

Good luck

yassy

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9a. Re: variety
Posted by: "mgitaville" mgitaville@hotmail.com mgitaville
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:57 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Alison Maffett <sweettuth23@...>
wrote:
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> Right now I only feed my dogs pork, turkey, liver, beef heart and
just started feeding them kidney and occasionally chicken I know that
it's not the best diet for them and they need more of a variety. I
plan on ordering from a co-op every month if I add fish and alternate
between goat and lamb would that be enough or would they need more of
a variety? I plan on buying mackerel for them to eat. How often do
people feed fish is once a week good? Thanks a lot, Alison
>

******You really aren't doing a bad job with variety. We all wish we
could get, could afford, could find, etc. all sorts of different
animals to feed, but that it isn't always the case. You have to
occasionally remind yourself that you are going for good variety over
time, not every week. I have some months that are solely pork,
chicken, and beef. (with organs) Do I love that? No, but there are
other times where I might have goat, deer, rabbit, duck, etc. to put
in their diets regularly depending on the deals I have gotten and
what I can dig out of the freezer. I have one that doesn't love
turkey so I feed rarely and is allergic to lamb so that takes out 2
possibilities right there.

My long winded point is to do the best you can, but not blow your
budget or drive yourself crazy trying to get variety in every week
b/c sometimes it just doesn't happen.

You didn't mention eggs - that can be another easy option. Just not
too much too soon. Some dogs can't handle them initially.

Fish not required, but if you want to feed once a week is plenty. I
haven't fed mackeral as I had a Salmon deal so can't help you there.

Marguerita

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10a. Beginning
Posted by: "Patty Reid" pattyannreidster@gmail.com pattyannreid
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:08 pm ((PDT))

Hello,
I'm new to this list & hope to decide whether raw feeding is for us or not.
I have standard poodles. Any suggestions on what is the best meat to
introduce to them?

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Patty
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11.1. Eggs
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:09 pm ((PDT))

I cracked an egg for my dog (shell and alll) and she
just licked it a little. She didnt' seem to like it.
Is there a way that I can get her to eat eggs?

Nathalie

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12. Feeding raw, second time around - intro
Posted by: "funder_memphis" funder@gmail.com funder_memphis
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:10 pm ((PDT))

Way back in '99 I got my first Lab puppy, Linux. I bumbled along as
best I could, reading everything I could find on the internet about
dogs. Ran into raw feeding when I was looking for more natural
solutions to his recurrent ear infections and itchy skin. Back then I
had a very not progressive vet, who never even mentioned "allergies" -
I just assumed he had nasty ears because I let him swim a lot. So I
tried feeding Linux raw and he absolutely thrived on it. Ear problems
went away, skin problems went away, shiny teeth - you all know what
I'm talking about.

The years went by and I got divorced, then remarried. My current DH
is remarkably squeamish. He never could get used to the
crunch-crunch-gulp noises, he constantly complained about the chicken
in the fridge, and he flat-out refused to ever feed the dog. I was
gradually pressured into switching back to kibble. Linux's teeth got
cruddy but he stayed otherwise healthy.

Last October I found a little Lab limping down the side of the highway
and I took him home and begged to keep him. Jaime had a broken pelvis
which healed ok through crate rest. This spring, the ear infections
started. I figured the first one was a fluke, so I treated it and
kept feeding them pet-store dog food. When he got the second ear
infection, a couple weeks ago, I knew I couldn't keep on.

My new vet is young, cares a lot about her job, and is really well
educated. She's still a fairly traditional vet. Doesn't recommend
raw feeding, blah blah. She diagnosed Jaime with food allergies and
recommended some special Science Diet food for the rest of his life.
I just couldn't do it. Jaime's symptoms are identical to Linux's when
he was a young dog. And Linux was cured of his "food allergies" when
he started eating raw. So we're going back down the raw-diet path.

I bought a mini-fridge and put it in the puppy's room. Only dog meat
lives in there. It took a week for my husband to notice the little
fridge (I am 100% responsible for my dogs, for various reasons), and
when he finally saw it he agreed that he hadn't noticed the smell or
the crunching. Feeding raw is way cheaper than the vet's recommended
diet, too!

So what's changed in the raw world? I based Linux's raw diet off of
chicken backs, turkey necks, and chicken leg quarters. Backs and
necks are cheapest at my local grocery, so that's what Jaime is
getting. For treats, both dogs get an occasional raw pork neckbone.

Do people still feed whole eggs?

I noticed that this list doesn't feel veggies are necessary. What
about veggies as treats? (Both dogs ADORE tomatoes. Honestly, they
adore everything. They *are* Labs!)

How do I deal with *really* hard poop? They're like little powdery
rocks. Sorry to be graphic! Is it just his body getting used to
eating real food? Anything I can do to help?

Thanks!
-Elizabeth

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