[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11907

There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Feeding raw, second time around - intro
From: Elizabeth Funderburk

2a. Re: How do you tell if it's a food allergy?
From: temy1102

3. Re: : Ester C and IBS Toy Poodle
From: amanda

4. changing diet for IBS Toy Poodle
From: amanda

5. Thanks Bill! Re: New member with IBS Toy Poodle
From: amanda

6a. Re: Anyone add vinegar to their dogs drinking water
From: ohboyx3

7a. Re: bone and blood in the stool
From: Melissa
7b. Re: bone and blood in the stool
From: pigasus718

8. the trouble w/pork bones
From: pigasus718

9a. Re: New member with IBS Toy Poodle
From: amanda

10.1. Re: Eggs
From: Melissa

11a. Re: Older Dog Looking At Me Like I'm Nuts!
From: pigasus718

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1a. Re: Feeding raw, second time around - intro
Posted by: "Elizabeth Funderburk" funder@gmail.com funder_memphis
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:58 pm ((PDT))

Thanks yall! :)

I remember back when I first started, on a "b-word" email list I used to
read a lot, the empasis was on bone bone BONE. Nobody approved of chicken
leg quarters as they were too "meaty." But I had an awful time finding
chicken backs or necks, so I eventually got lazy and ended up feeding Linux
nothing but .79/lb leg quarters. He did fantastic on it!

Now I'm in a different part of town, and my local grocery actually has a
pretty good selection of "other" parts. I can get hog maws, raw ears,
trotters, "hog fries," brains, and chicken feet, in addition to backs,
necks, and cheap boxes of leg quarters. Can probably find chitlins (pork
intestines) too.

The only thing I'm really *wondering* about is finding exotic meats. I'm
going to check the farmers' market and see if any of the meat dealers will
sell me RMB pieces of goat, lamb, rabbit, or the like for a reasonable
price. I know a few duck and deer hunters; I'll see if I can get some deer
heads or some whole duck. (Sorry, dogs, if I score some duck, I'm keeping
the breasts!)

I don't think I'm going to feed fish. The good "fishin holes" around here
are pretty polluted, and I don't trust where supermarket fish came from.
Maybe local farm-raised catfish, if I can find it whole.

I'm going to go ahead and start Linux (the older one) on raw food again
tomorrow. He was on "finish off the bag of kibble" duty, but the more I
read about raw, the ickier the kibble seems. I can't wait for him to have
shiny white teeth again!

I'm off to read some of the suggested links. Time to catch up!

-Elizabeth

On 8/13/07, Laurie Swanson <laurie@mckinneyphoto.com> wrote:
>
> That's great that you're back to rawfeeding. Keep us posted on how
> your dog does--I never get tired of the success stories. And of
> course, we're here for any issues you might come upon. I would
> suggest adding more meat, more variety, and a bit of organs. Chicken
> is a fine start, but dogs eventually need more than that to thrive.
> Beef, pork, lamb, goat, fish, rabbit, turkey, venison, eggs--anything
> you can get. Don't do too much variety at once for a newbie dog,
>
>

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2a. Re: How do you tell if it's a food allergy?
Posted by: "temy1102" tammy.a.jp@gmail.com temy1102
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:58 pm ((PDT))

You know what, I think it really is the nicotine, because he's getting
worse. Since this evening, he's stayed in his bed, panting shallowly,
with eyes bulging. I'm making an appointment to see a vet in the
morning. Honestly, it's my fault, I should have been paying better
attention, but he's never been the type of dog to pick random stuff up
outside and eat it. But we live in downtown Los Angeles now and
cigarette butts are everywhere, and he could have gulped one down any
time on one of our walks. :(

Poor Tod.

Tammy & sad Tod

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3. Re: : Ester C and IBS Toy Poodle
Posted by: "amanda" white-daisey@lapis.plala.or.jp melime_lalaith2012
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:51 am ((PDT))

Hi Pam, Thanks for your comment, but I have only added Ester C since a week ago and at a low dose and he`s fine since then, Once I stopped the meat and he was only on the Z/D kibble his itching stops! but of course he doesn`t put on any weight! so the only way is to drop the kibble and just go raw and see what happens!! Amand and Pippin.

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4. changing diet for IBS Toy Poodle
Posted by: "amanda" white-daisey@lapis.plala.or.jp melime_lalaith2012
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:51 am ((PDT))

HI Ginny, Thanks for your information, which meats are more easily absorbed and digested? Thanks Amanda and pippin.

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5. Thanks Bill! Re: New member with IBS Toy Poodle
Posted by: "amanda" white-daisey@lapis.plala.or.jp melime_lalaith2012
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:33 am ((PDT))

Thanks Bill and thanks for the links! I will read that book now! You are very kind, am sure glad that I found this group!! Amanda and Pippin.

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6a. Re: Anyone add vinegar to their dogs drinking water
Posted by: "ohboyx3" ohboyx3@wildblue.net ohboyx3
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:33 am ((PDT))

>
Thank you all for your great responses.

Carol, The vinegar was suggested because I wanted more results with
his teeth and breath. If he does have a yeast imbalance is there
something else I should do?

It was suggested that I start with white vinegar to ease him into the
taste and then to switch to acv. I will switch right away. Is there a
better brand that I should try to find at my health food store?

How much should I add to his water and should I start at a lower
dilution and work up?

Thanks to all

Danae for Zorreaux

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7a. Re: bone and blood in the stool
Posted by: "Melissa" mwood8402@yahoo.com mwood8402
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:33 am ((PDT))

I think we need to know the weights of your dogs, how much you're
feeding and what your feeding. How fast are you trying to introduce
new proteins? For my Sheltie with IBD, I've been introducing proteins
over a span of 1-2 weeks with little to no digestive upset.

-Melissa W

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "span88888" <span88888@...> wrote:
> This is where I'm conflicted because from one feeding of kibble, I
> noticed she was back to her old playful, energetic self. I haven't
> given up on the raw diet, but I may start cooking her meat or mixing
> kibble in when I feel it will help.
>
> Thanks
> Steve

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7b. Re: bone and blood in the stool
Posted by: "pigasus718" pigasus718@yahoo.com pigasus718
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:35 am ((PDT))

Hi Steve,
I definitely wouldn't go back to kibble.
You will be sending her body mixed signals.
I think they have to go through "detox" if
you will. With kibble their bodies are used to having to fight
their food to digest it. With raw, the body is using
most of it. It just takes the body a while to adjust.
A couple of days ago, my english mastiff puppy had a piece
of chicken bone that lodged half in half out of his rectum.
We got it out(guided by the vet over the phone)with forceps
and I just fed him meaty meat, no bones, for a couple of days and
you would never know anything had happened. My vet stated that
if it made it that far that it hadn't done any damage to the digestive
tract. Probably same with it in her poo. If if made it all the way
through and out, then she should be fine.
I wouldn't let this stop me from feeding raw and personally nothing
could make me go back to kibble.
Dogs are a lot more resilient than we think.

Robyn

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8. the trouble w/pork bones
Posted by: "pigasus718" pigasus718@yahoo.com pigasus718
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:34 am ((PDT))

Hi all,
Started raw 2 1/2wks ago. My guys are doing great. Fed chicken for
first 2wks. no problem, no cannon butt(thank God). Now, I've started
pork as second meat. Going great, dogs love it. Problem is I'm having
trouble with finding pork rmb. I don't have any trouble with meaty
meat pork. I've scored a major markdown at the grocery and got
county style ribs, pork chops, both of which I deboned
because of sharp edges from butcher cuts. I read we shouldn't give
bones that have been cut by butcher's saw. right? So, what can I use
for pork rmb?
I found some pork necks. They are very meaty and they love them, but
they are not whole necks and the bones are kinda overwhelming for
my two little guys, especially the shih tzu. They are really trying
though. I'm feeding a 16lb. mini schauzer, 12lb shih tzu, and 25lb
english mastiff puppy(he's 10 wks old, so we're talking puppy teeth).

I've tried searching the archives, but what I've found is pretty
generalized. If someone could give specific examples maybe.
I'm taking things slow, because I've read soooooo many posts from
people who rushed things or fed too much variety at first and had
problems. I haven't fed any organs yet, I feel like it is still too
soon. Any suggestions on the pork bone thing would be greatly
appreciated.
BTW, did any of you go through a period of guilt and anger with
yourself for feeding your dogs kibble? I am so ticked off at myself
to think of all the years that I have been "killing" my little guys
out of ignorance.

Thanks for suggestions and letting me vent there at the end.

Robyn

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9a. Re: New member with IBS Toy Poodle
Posted by: "amanda" white-daisey@lapis.plala.or.jp melime_lalaith2012
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:35 am ((PDT))

Hi Pamela, o.k I`ll try and let you all know what happens!! Amanda and Pippin.

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10.1. Re: Eggs
Posted by: "Melissa" mwood8402@yahoo.com mwood8402
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:35 am ((PDT))

If she doesn't like them, I don't see a reason to make her eat them. I
don't think eggs are a necessary part of the diet.

-Melissa W

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Nathalie Poulin
<poulin_nathalie@...> wrote:

> Is there a way that I can get her to eat eggs?
>
> Nathalie

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11a. Re: Older Dog Looking At Me Like I'm Nuts!
Posted by: "pigasus718" pigasus718@yahoo.com pigasus718
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:37 am ((PDT))

Hi Leanne,
I have a 12yr old mini schnauzer and at first he looked at me like "are
you sure about this?"
His thing was the cold factor. I found running warmish water over it
for a couple of minutes then patting it off with a paper towel did the
trick. I don't know if it was a tooth sensitivity issue or warming made
it more aromatic or what.
Anyway, that did the trick for us.
Hope this helps.

Robyn

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