[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12471

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Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Local meat supplier won't sell me meat
From: Michael Moore
1b. Re: Local meat supplier won't sell me meat
From: Denise Farley

2a. Re: local meat supplier won't sell me meat
From: john payne
2b. Re: local meat supplier won't sell me meat
From: Tina Berry
2c. Re: local meat supplier won't sell me meat
From: Dave Teetz
2d. Re: local meat supplier won't sell me meat
From: carnesbill
2e. local meat supplier won't sell me meat
From: Erika
2f. Re: local meat supplier won't sell me meat
From: Morledzep@aol.com

3a. Re: BRAND NEW TO RAW DIET
From: mozookpr

4a. Re: beef, pork and lamb...
From: Elizabeth

5a. Re: Portion size for Mastiffs
From: deb_earl_veil
5b. Re: Portion size for Mastiffs
From: Tina Berry

6a. Not OT, I hope, just had to share!
From: mozookpr
6b. Re: Not OT, I hope, just had to share!
From: Chia
6c. Re: Not OT, I hope, just had to share!
From: mozookpr

7a. Re: Varying views
From: muirghealfinne

8a. Re: Chihuahua with missing teeth- feeding recommendations? update &
From: Robert Ekendahl
8b. Re: Chihuahua with missing teeth- feeding recommendations? update &
From: Chia

9a. Thrist
From: Gaye Amick
9b. Re: Thrist
From: godkrittersnkids

10a. Re: Future newbee in training
From: Denise Strother
10b. Re: Future newbee in training
From: Giselle

11a. Meat Grazing
From: Lynette
11b. Re: Meat Grazing
From: Tina Berry

12. Re: Thirst
From: Morledzep@aol.com

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1a. Re: Local meat supplier won't sell me meat
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 11:03 am ((PST))

>>I just called our local meat processor and they said they don't have "cheap cuts of meat" to sell me. They say they sell dogs bones for $3 each. I asked why they couldn't sell me any leftover parts and they said it was against government regulations to sell "inedible cuts of meat." HELP, do I have to buy all my meat from the local groceries? Did I ask the wrong thing when I asked for "leftover cuts of cheap meat for my dog" ? What specifically should I ask for when I approach the butcher at the grocery? <<

Jennifer -- I also live in Ohio, and have a couple of suggestions for you. First, go to a potential source in person rather than calling; it's more personable and you'll have more success. I started out just asking for specific things (ie beef heart), and bought for a long time before admitting that the food is for my dogs. However, I always say that I "make my own dog food" as per a suggestion long ago on this list.
I do buy food at grocery stores; I watch sale flyers like a hawk, and often find pork shoulder roasts for $1/lb, for example, and whole chicken for .79-.82/lb. But a relationship with a butcher or processor (I ocassionally take cookies to mine, BTW, and they think I'm wonderful) is invaluable. It, like Rome, isn't built in a day, however.
There is also a raw co-op in the Columbus area, so if that would work for you (and folks drive from all over the state for orders, BTW), let me know and I'll send you the link.

-- Anne and the PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue

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1b. Re: Local meat supplier won't sell me meat
Posted by: "Denise Farley" desheep59@northmo.net desheep59
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:15 pm ((PST))

I live in Missouri. We have USDA butchering/meat facilities and then the
state-licensed butchers. You will not get anything from a USDA facility is
my understanding of 'the rules'. I could not get back anything not
generally saleable when I take my own livestock into a USDA facility.

The state-licensed ones are much more flexible. If I want EVERYTHING, then
I can drop off my stock and come back after they've been killed and readied
for hanging and collect the hide, head, legs, guts, etc. He cannot by law
keep any of that for me, but I can come back before his 'haul off' (which is
scheduled for the morning after 'kill day') and take anything from anything
he has out there that I want. I can come on days he kills – even if I don't
have livestock there – and he lets me raid his barrels. I can pick out
scraps from his waste barrels from the butchering room that contain a bit of
meat with the fat he cuts off prior to the final process or bones or
whatever else is cut out of the final product is wrapped and frozen.

I agree – make a 'personal visit'. You can always call to find out if
they're USDA or not before hand – I wouldn't waste my time on a USDA
facility.

P.S. No dissing intended here, but I had a person turn down meat for their
dog because I did not take it to a USDA facility. That perturbed me to no
end. But to each their own. If the state licenses and certifies the
facility, and I have seen it as well, then that's good enough for me. What
about all those hunters out there who dress out and tend to their own kills.
I always wondered if that person would have a hissy fit if they found out
they had eaten a meal where the entrée was home-butchered deer or perhaps
deer jerky. And I smile at the thought.

People are the world's problem.

Denise

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>>I just called our local meat processor and they said they don't have
"cheap cuts of meat" to sell me. They say they sell dogs bones for $3 each.
I asked why they couldn't sell me any leftover parts and they said it was
against government regulations to sell "inedible cuts of meat." HELP, do I
have to buy all my meat from the local groceries? Did I ask the wrong thing
when I asked for "leftover cuts of cheap meat for my dog" ? What
specifically should I ask for when I approach the butcher at the grocery? <<

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2a. Re: local meat supplier won't sell me meat
Posted by: "john payne" brendajohn2823@yahoo.com brendajohn2823
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 11:04 am ((PST))

Im in Ohio and when i go into meat markets, i just ask if them have any scraps for sale. some has sold me stuff . One after me getting the stuff from them, started grinding everything up into what he is now selling as" dog food" for $1 per pound. I dont get it, cuz its ground up, but i have 3 neighbors that are now buying it for their little, and older dogs.
Where in ohio are you
Brenda

jfashian <jfashian@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
I just joined this group after reading online one night about the
benefits of raw feeding. I'm ready to switch our almost 13 year old
lab/boxer mix over to raw. I just called our local meat processor and
they said they don't have "cheap cuts of meat" to sell me. They say
they sell dogs bones for $3 each. I asked why they couldn't sell me any
leftover parts and they said it was against government regulations to
sell "inedible cuts of meat." HELP, do I have to buy all my meat from
the local groceries? Did I ask the wrong thing when I asked
for "leftover cuts of cheap meat for my dog" ? What specifically
should I ask for when I approach the butcher at the grocery?

Anyone live in Ohio?

Jennifer

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2b. Re: local meat supplier won't sell me meat
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 11:04 am ((PST))

"Did I ask the wrong thing when I asked for "leftover cuts of cheap meat for
my dog" ? What specifically
should I ask for when I approach the butcher at the grocery? "

Don't feel bad, I called every meat processor in my area when we first moved
here, and only ONE agreed to give me all his scraps during hunting season -
they have to pay to throw it away. So keep calling. Find some backwoods
butcher and tell them you will sign an agreement that it is for non-human
consumption or even specifically for your dogs. When we lived in WA, all I
could get was meat on sale at whatever grocery store had it the cheapest and
then bought a couple of used freezers to keep stocked up.

Good luck!
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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2c. Re: local meat supplier won't sell me meat
Posted by: "Dave Teetz" dteetz@gmail.com dteetz
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 11:04 am ((PST))

Jennifer,

I am in Southern Ohio. Please feel free to email me directly if you wish.

You don't have to buy 'pet food.' You can buy what you would eat and feed
it to your dog. Buying in bulk is what creates the savings. Instead of
asking for "scraps for the dog(s)" just ask for a cut that you would eat.
Or ask for whole cuts and divide once you have them. But, make sure you
have to have a place to store what you buy.

Ask for beef or pork hearts by the case. I found a turkey processor locally
that sells scrap in 40# containers. I also found a butcher that gives me
free scraps. It's mostly fat, but I go through and toss what I don't need
or won't use.

Instead of asking the price of scraps at a supplier ask for a price list.
If they don't have a price list then ask for the price specific cuts of meat
by the case. They're just selling it. They don't care who eats it.

Some suppliers have quantity issues and won't sell to you unless you by a
significant quantity.

Subscribe to local grocery store "weekly ads." The ones locally here email
them weekly. This way I can do a quick scan of meat costs without having to
drive to each location.

There's also the Lis List, which is referred to here often:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/139618,

Good luck,

Dave

On Jan 7, 2008 12:57 PM, jfashian <jfashian@columbus.rr.com> wrote:

> I just joined this group after reading online one night about the
> benefits of raw feeding. I'm ready to switch our almost 13 year old
> lab/boxer mix over to raw. I just called our local meat processor and
> they said they don't have "cheap cuts of meat" to sell me. They say
> they sell dogs bones for $3 each. I asked why they couldn't sell me any
> leftover parts and they said it was against government regulations to
> sell "inedible cuts of meat." HELP, do I have to buy all my meat from
> the local groceries? Did I ask the wrong thing when I asked
> for "leftover cuts of cheap meat for my dog" ? What specifically
> should I ask for when I approach the butcher at the grocery?
>
> Anyone live in Ohio?
>
> Jennifer
>
>
>

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2d. Re: local meat supplier won't sell me meat
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 11:34 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Tina Berry" <k9baron@...> wrote:
>

> Don't feel bad, I called every meat processor in my area when
> we first moved here, and only ONE agreed to give me all his
> scraps during hunting season -

Tina, the big mistake you are making is calling. Go visit in person.
It's just too easy to say no to a phone call that is interrupting
their day. Much harder in person.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2e. local meat supplier won't sell me meat
Posted by: "Erika" Erika@redangelbordeaux.com redangelbordeaux
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 11:34 am ((PST))

I have the same problem here (AZ) Grocery stores will not sell me food past it's expiration dates. Processing houses will not give or sell me scrap or awful from butchering and all deceased animals from farms natural death or otherwise must be sent to a rendering facility.

Legaly all these places must throw away the "trash" or they can loose there license to to business :( Trust me I have been on the super hunt lately and have been spending about $100 a week on food!

Let me know if you find a way around the red tape because I sure have not found it.

Erika

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2f. Re: local meat supplier won't sell me meat
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:34 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 1/7/2008 11:34:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Erika@redangelbordeaux.com writes:

I have the same problem here (AZ) Grocery stores will not sell me food past
it's expiration dates. Processing houses will not give or sell me scrap or
awful from butchering and all deceased animals from farms natural death or
otherwise must be sent to a rendering facility.

Erika,

these are Federal regulations and they can get in serious trouble for
breaking the rules.

you're going at this wrong. You want to get good deals on meat, watch the
sale ads every week, here is a handy website for such things:

_http://www.sundaysaver.com/#3_ (http://www.sundaysaver.com/#3)

go to private farms, folks that just raise goats or sheep for themselves, not
USDA inspected meat processors. Often private farms will sell their
stillborns and culls for cheap or even free.

Again, avoiding USDA inspected facilities, find a custom butcher, and ask for
the scrap parts of the animals that get butchered, i'm not sure what the
rules are about paying.. i believe they can't actually sell it. Doesn't mean they
won't let you go through the scrap barrel and pick out what you want.

And, last but certainly not least.. as weak and pitiful as they are, there
are meat buying co-ops in AZ.

_http://www.tucsonraw.com/index.htm_ (http://www.tucsonraw.com/index.htm)
i'm not sure how active these folks are still.. but they used to get some
pretty good deals on bulk purchases.

_http://www.butcherbobsinc.com/index.html_

(http://www.butcherbobsinc.com/index.html) I've never dealt with these folks, but they make a ground dog food
and i believe they give discounts on cases of real food.

When i'm in Phoenix i also go to Scottsdale and stop at Lee Lee's Asian
Supermarket (Warner and Dobson) and the Food City on 35th Ave and Glendale. There
may be other Food City's that have the same selection and prices for cheap
organs, but i never found them.

you should also try the Carnivore Feeder/Supplier list. I've heard rumors of
a new meat buying group in Phoenix from some friends that are raw feeders
there.

Good Luck, i know how hard it is to find cheap meat in AZ.. it's almost worth
the drive to CA.. sometimes..

Catherine R.

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3a. Re: BRAND NEW TO RAW DIET
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 11:34 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kimhollett" <kimhollett@...>
wrote:
>
> 1. Should skin be removed from chicken?

It might be helpful at first, if your dog has runny stools. I
skinned all of Sophie's chicken at first, but I don't anymore.

> 2. What about sausages? Should they be fed?

NO! It's best to avoid enhanced or flavored ("in a solution of...")
meats altogether, but sometimes you have to look at the fine print to
find out. With sausage, you already KNOW it's enhanced. The added
spices and flavorings are unnecessary and can make some dogs ill, or
at least give them a bout of cannon butt that you don't really need.
>3. Ground meat (some say feed it & some say not to??)

It won't kill them, certainly it beats the heck out of kibble, but it
is not the best thing, either. If money is tight and the price is
irresistable, go ahead (although I bet you can get some nice pork
shoulder or chicken quarters cheaper), but be sure to give them
something boney, too. Many people use ground to help transition
reluctant cats, since they cannot safely fast, but dogs don't
generally need this step to accept raw food.

Cheers,

Wendy

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4a. Re: beef, pork and lamb...
Posted by: "Elizabeth" rainsou1@yahoo.com rainsou1
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 11:34 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
>Thank you, Chris. It just looks like the only big difference is that
heart is considerably higher in iron than regular muscle meat, which
is to be expected, of course.:)
-Liz

> When you want to compare, your best bet is the USDA website. I am
> perfectly comfortable feeding heart meat as muscle meat (after all the
> heart is a muscle) but you want to check the bells and whistles, the
> USDA website is standing ready to serve.
>
> http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/
> Chris O
>

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5a. Re: Portion size for Mastiffs
Posted by: "deb_earl_veil" deb_earl_veil@yahoo.com deb_earl_veil
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:07 pm ((PST))

-
hi,
we have two cane corso Mastiifs. my male Zeus is 14months old and about
150 lbs. in general was feeding him about 2.5% of his weight a day
whic was about 3.75lbs. noticd last week that he is getting a bit puggy
losing the hourglass a bit so we dropped him down to aobut 3lbs a day.
our femaile is 9 months and about 70lbs, she is getting about 3% being
around2.1;bs a day. IO do split there meals into 2 and usually if they
did not get enough they will let me know. scratch there kennel, play
witht he bowl. The old me when Zeus would do that would be sukered into
giving him a second helping, but not any more. some nights he has
protested to what he is getting and if in 20min hasnt eatenm ok fine,
it goes back in the fridge for dinner! Which if he is really in a
stuborn mood he iwll skip 3 meals but never 4. even though it is tough,
I make myself not give him extra when plays finiky when finally does
eat for us. I know there are so many different ideas out about how much
and how often to feed, I feel that everyone has to gage it based on
there pet. Cause the only one that truely knows there pet is you.

Blessed Be
Deb and Earl

-- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "A." <ols@...> wrote:
>
> I was wondering about how many pounds you rawfeeders with Mastiffs
(or
> other giant breeds) are feeding a day? How old are they and how much
> do they weigh too?
>
> I am still adjusting what I am feeding my girls & finding the best
for
> each and was curious how close I am to others :)
>
> ~Amanda
>

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5b. Re: Portion size for Mastiffs
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:46 pm ((PST))

"noticd last week that he is getting a bit puggy losing the hourglass a bit
so we dropped him down to aobut 3lbs a day. our femaile is 9 months and
about 70lbs, she is getting about 3% being around2.1;bs a day. IO do split
there meals into 2 and usually if they did not get enough they will let me
know."

I recommend feeding once a day - it's more fulfilling to them for one and
gives their system a break before next feeding. Sounds like you are feeding
just right tho; if their ribs disappear I feed more, if I can barely see
their ribs they are just right.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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6a. Not OT, I hope, just had to share!
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:46 pm ((PST))

I am so excited! I picked up a used freezer last Friday, and it is
plugged in and running like a dream. $100 for 15.6 cu. ft., through
the local paper.

Can't wait to SHOP, and already have a request pending on Freecycle for
old/unwanted meat...

Cheers,

Wendy

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6b. Re: Not OT, I hope, just had to share!
Posted by: "Chia" chia.m@shaw.ca cia22m
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:52 pm ((PST))

I am so excited! I picked up a used freezer last Friday, and it is
plugged in and running like a dream. $100 for 15.6 cu. ft., through
the local paper.

Can't wait to SHOP, and already have a request pending on Freecycle for
old/unwanted meat...

#### oh, you are SO adorable!... I LOVE newbies...wide eyed,
enthusiastic...so sweet.

Just don't make the error I make, over and over.... it is ALL Ricco's
freezer with a TEENY corner for me ...

There aren't many other people in this world whom would understand how
excited you are except us. We are ALL excited for you!!!! I used to feel
excited about a new pair of shoes, in my younger day, NOW, it's a great deal
on assorted body parts for my boy. *sigh*...

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6c. Re: Not OT, I hope, just had to share!
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 1:34 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Chia <chia.m@...> wrote:
>
> #### oh, you are SO adorable!... I LOVE newbies...wide eyed,
> enthusiastic...so sweet.
>
> Just don't make the error I make, over and over.... it is ALL
Ricco's
> freezer with a TEENY corner for me ...
>
>... I used to feel
> excited about a new pair of shoes, in my younger day, NOW, it's a
great deal
> on assorted body parts for my boy. *sigh*...
>
>
>
> Chia & Ricco
>
>
LOL...you should have seen my ecstatic post when one of my dogs
finally got over newbie cannon butt and had a normal poo!

15.6 is pretty big. I have a Pom, a Sheltie, and six cats. There
should be some room left for me, I hope! (um...make that, for my
food...<g>)

Glad I made you smile,

Wendy

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7a. Re: Varying views
Posted by: "muirghealfinne" muirghealfinne@yahoo.com muirghealfinne
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:47 pm ((PST))

Thanks for all your advice and suggestions! Cliodhna (Clee-in-ah) my
fieldie has had two days now with only raw meals. We decided to go
cold-turkey! The first day she had a little bit of runny stool but
today's was nice and firm! We're sticking with chicken and turkey and
a little bit of veggies for right now...

Thanks again,

Nicole and Cliodhna

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8a. Re: Chihuahua with missing teeth- feeding recommendations? update &
Posted by: "Robert Ekendahl" robert@ekendahl.org ekendahl
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:47 pm ((PST))

Thanks for the update,

Stories like this makes me tear up :-). I have an old cat I just
switched a week ago and I'm still bummed out for the 8 years of slow
poisioning I did to her with ki***e (even if well intended). I can see
similar changes in my cat already; her fur went from dull and shedding
to silky within 48 hours, her stance when being played with (by my dog
is ) is much more mobile/strong, her jump onto tables more confident.
She's still an old cat but she's regaining grace.

It's amazing what appropriate food can do!

/Robert Ekendahl.

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8b. Re: Chihuahua with missing teeth- feeding recommendations? update &
Posted by: "Chia" chia.m@shaw.ca cia22m
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 12:53 pm ((PST))

Thanks for the update,

Stories like this makes me tear up :-). I have an old cat I just
switched a week ago and I'm still bummed out for the 8 years of slow
poisioning I did to her with ki***e (even if well intended). I can see
similar changes in my cat already; her fur went from dull and shedding
to silky within 48 hours, her stance when being played with (by my dog
is ) is much more mobile/strong, her jump onto tables more confident.
She's still an old cat but she's regaining grace.

It's amazing what appropriate food can do!

### I know what you mean. I get SO mad at myself for EVER feeding my
previous animals kibble. It is so obvious, and right in your face, how
crucial proper nutrition is, just like as it is for us.

Yet, somehow, we get brainwashed over the years or get made to feel we are
not competent enough to feed our pets real foods. All marketing and money,
I KNOW!

Food is medicine and can be a friend or a foe depending on how it is used.

Just remember this quote whenever you feel angry at yourself...

'I did then, what I knew then, and when I knew better, I did better'

Maya Angelou

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9a. Thrist
Posted by: "Gaye Amick" northernskychar@netzero.com northernskyacademy
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 1:34 pm ((PST))

I start the diet last Thursday and have noticed two of my dogs (Rott
and Malinois) have had their thrist increase. Is this normal. The
Beagle has not.

Thanks
Gaye

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9b. Re: Thrist
Posted by: "godkrittersnkids" godkrittersnkids@yahoo.com godkrittersnkids
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:28 pm ((PST))

I started my boys three days ago, and their thirst has decreased...I
was thinking it had to so maybe with the amount of salt that was in
their k***le...good question!

Linda

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Gaye Amick" <northernskychar@...>
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> I start the diet last Thursday and have noticed two of my dogs (Rott
> and Malinois) have had their thrist increase. Is this normal. The
> Beagle has not.
>
> Thanks
> Gaye
>

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10a. Re: Future newbee in training
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:07 pm ((PST))

Why wait? Denise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "shantith38" <shantith38@...> wrote:
... HE LOVED IT!!!... I think next weekend will be the switch.

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10b. Re: Future newbee in training
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 3:14 pm ((PST))

Ooohh, Anna, I wouldn't use Pepto!!

If Ram has a digestive upset with discomfort, I'd use the SEBP - its much
more soothing to the innards, without "stopping them up" unnaturally.

TC
Giselle

On Jan 7, 2008 8:29 AM, shantith38 <shantith38@yahoo.com> wrote:

> So Sunday was trim and freeze for the people meats, and I couldn't
> resist giving Ram some trim from the shoulder cartilage (no skin,
> very little fat) just to see how he would take it. HE LOVED IT!!!
> <snip>
>

> and I have pepto on hand in case we have
> any crises this week. I think I'm actually more excited than Ram! I
> can't wait to do do dog shopping the same place I people shop! Seems
> more appropriate that way, not to mention loads more convenient!
>
> Thanks so much, Let you know how it goes!
>
> Anna Ram and Pol
>
>
>

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11a. Meat Grazing
Posted by: "Lynette" lraefried@sbcglobal.net cherrysmomma
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:07 pm ((PST))

I have read a lot about people giving their dogs raw meat and then
pick it up and put it away and then giving it back at next feeding. Is
it OK to just leave it outside and if she does not feel like eating it
right away she can go nibble on it later?

Because, usually when I give the 1lb daily meal; she licks it, carries
it around, maybe chews a bit then leaves it and later will go out and
eat a bit more. Sometimes she will leave part of it for the next day.
And the only drawback I see is once in a while a big Texas vulture
comes and lands on our fence to take a look.

Lynette

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11b. Re: Meat Grazing
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:29 pm ((PST))

"Is it OK to just leave it outside and if she does not feel like eating it
right away she can go nibble on it later?" No, this is called free feeding;
it's like leaving a bowl of .... down and letting them eat whenever they
want. You control the food, not the dog.
"Because, usually when I give the 1lb daily meal; she licks it, carries it
around, maybe chews a bit then leaves it and later will go out and eat a bit
more. Sometimes she will leave part of it for the next day."

Then you might be feeding her too much and she is self regulating which is
fine; but I still would not leave the food down longer then 20 minutes; if
she doesn't eat pick it up and offer it the next meal. I recommend feeding
once a day and if it's not gone in 20 minutes, pick it up til tomorrow.
You will soon have an eager wanting to eat dog, and easier to train as well
- it all fits together.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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12. Re: Thirst
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 2:36 pm ((PST))

In a message dated 1/7/2008 1:35:14 PM Pacific Standard Time,
northernskychar@netzero.com writes:

I start the diet last Thursday and have noticed two of my dogs (Rott
and Malinois) have had their thrist increase. Is this normal. The
Beagle has not.

Gaye,

Most dogs' thirst decreases when they start eating raw. the meat is mostly
water.. and kibble is mostly NOT. So they don't need as much water when they
are eating properly.

I do know that my dogs often drink more water when they eat pork or turkey.
And after larger than usual meals.

Catherine R.

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