[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12470

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Need advice on new dog
From: Iggy Momma
1b. Re: Need advice on new dog
From: Andrea
1c. Re: Need advice on new dog
From: carnesbill

2a. Re: Recent Vet Visit
From: costrowski75
2b. Re: Recent Vet Visit
From: Howard Salob
2c. Re: Recent Vet Visit
From: carnesbill
2d. Re: Recent Vet Visit
From: costrowski75
2e. Re: Recent Vet Visit
From: ginny wilken

3a. Re: Horse Turds
From: costrowski75

4a. Re: First Meal - Not without questions!
From: Andrea

5a. Re: feeding a puppy concern
From: Mandy Walter
5b. Re: feeding a puppy concern
From: Tina Berry

6a. Re: Wow people are nutz!
From: steph.sorensen
6b. Re: Wow people are nutz!
From: mozookpr

7a. Re: Pork? / wild hog
From: Donna Forrester

8a. Re: Hungry pug asking for more
From: mozookpr

9a. Re: How much protein?
From: susrob061174

10a. Re: poop discussion
From: Josie Jareski

11a. Re: Feeding raw egg to new puppy
From: Tina Berry

12a. Re: beef, pork and lamb...
From: costrowski75

13a. Re: Feeding a puppy concern
From: costrowski75

14a. Re: BRAND NEW TO RAW DIET
From: Tina Berry

15a. Re: Hello of Denmark
From: Tina Berry

16. local meat supplier won't sell me meat
From: jfashian

17a. Re: Chihuahua with missing teeth- feeding recommendations? update &
From: Kim

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1a. Need advice on new dog
Posted by: "Iggy Momma" lovemyiggies@gmail.com italiangreyhoundmomma
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 7:46 am ((PST))

I just adopted a 4 year old Cavalier King Charles almost a month ago now,
she's been the most wonderful, affectionate, loyal dog I could have ever
imagined! We're just having one small problem, I can not get her to touch
raw! She's a retired breeder from a friend of mine that raises Cavaliers,
she's had 3 litters now, so she's done with motherhood and ready to be just
a pet, but I think a raw diet would greatly benefit her and build her body
back up from the puppies. Any advice on how to go about getting her to eat
raw? When I switched my other dogs over, I had no problems getting them on
a raw diet, they just dove right in from day one without any problems, but
Amber will just look at it and walk away, she has no interest at all in it.
She's been on a kibble diet her whole life, but I would think at only 4
years she should still be open enough that I can eventually get her to eat
raw, I just have no idea how to even start the process with a dog that
doesn't show any interest in raw meat!

Lydia
Les Beau Italian Greyhounds
Iggy Palace Sighthound Rescue
Owned by Hannah, Ivy and Piper (IGs) and Amber (CKCS)

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1b. Re: Need advice on new dog
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 8:27 am ((PST))

First make sure that you don't have any leftover kibble in the house
that she is holding out for. At mealtime give her the food and if
she shows no interest in eating it after 15 minutes pick it up and
put it away. Don't coax or baby her, just matter of factly take it
back up. Next mealtime do the same thing. Don't offer treats or any
other food items between meals. After a couple of missed meals
she'll realize that you aren't going to cave and she'll start eating.

Some dogs don't recognize raw as food, especially chicken since it
isn't very aeromatic. You can help her by warming the food in a bowl
of hot water before feeding. You can also cut ribbons into the meat
for her to get started on. Smashing parmesan cheese or some other
bribe food into the cuts or under the skin helps as well. Don't
worry, as long as she's a healthy dog she won't starve herself.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Iggy Momma" <lovemyiggies@...>
wrote:

> I just have no idea how to even start the process with a dog that
> doesn't show any interest in raw meat!

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1c. Re: Need advice on new dog
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 8:33 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Iggy Momma" <lovemyiggies@...>
wrote:
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> I just have no idea how to even start the process with a dog that
> doesn't show any interest in raw meat!

Hi Lydia,
There is a good chance that she doesn't understand that what you are
giving her is actually food. I suggest you offer her some raw
food. Leave the out until she shows no interest for about 10
minutes. Without making a big deal of it, take up the food and
place in the fridge. Next mealtime take the original food out of
the fridge and offer again. No between meal treats or snacks.
Repeat the process as long as necessary. Some dogs will take 3 or 4
days to begin eating, most eat in a day or so. Don't worry, she
won't starve. No dog will starve itself in the presence of food.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2a. Re: Recent Vet Visit
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 7:55 am ((PST))

Howard Salob <itiskismet1968@...> wrote:
>> I am a doctor and you are 100% right in your statement- they help
and do not harm- especially with the source of meat most people give
out.
*****
Howard, how does meat source determine the need for a probiotic?
Chris O

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2b. Re: Recent Vet Visit
Posted by: "Howard Salob" itiskismet1968@yahoo.com itiskismet1968
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 8:31 am ((PST))

Dear Chris O,

My reply was based on hormone laden,radiated, steroid filled and laced with antibiotics meats that are given to our dogs and cats (from certain supermarket chains and the like). I do feed raw and it has helped save my animals lives. I am grateful for all the help you and other members have supplied me. I think I have posted an e-mail stating this. I think free range animals (like venison) are the best to give, but when supermarket food that has been filled with the above mentioned goodies it does not hurt to give probiotics. I am not stating anyone should do this. I agree with anyone's right to do what is best for their animals. That is why I give raw to mine. I know this is off topic but would to see everyone eat the healthiest they can. I would want everyone to enjoy the longest life possible with their cats and dogs.

Sincerely,

Howard

costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote:
Howard Salob <itiskismet1968@...> wrote:
>> I am a doctor and you are 100% right in your statement- they help
and do not harm- especially with the source of meat most people give
out.
*****
Howard, how does meat source determine the need for a probiotic?
Chris O

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2c. Re: Recent Vet Visit
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 8:32 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Howard Salob <itiskismet1968@...>
wrote:

> I am a doctor and you are 100% right in your statement- they
> help and do not harm- especially with the source of meat most
> people give out.

No one said they harm. I maintain that probiotics for dogs are pretty
innocuous. That is, they have no effect because they are killed in
the highly acidic canine stomach. I will continue to maintain that
until someone can explain how the probiotics get through the stomach
of the dog since the dog's digestive juices are more than 50%
hydrochloric acid and fully capable of killing the salmonella, e-coli
and other harmful bacteria. If the stomach juices kill this strong
dangerious bacteria, the probiotics will also be easily killed.

The vet I spoke to told me that about the only way to get probiotics
high into the colon via the anus. These probiotics just can't reach
the gut via the mouth.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2d. Re: Recent Vet Visit
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 8:34 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Howard Salob <itiskismet1968@...>
wrote:
>> My reply was based on hormone laden,radiated, steroid filled and
laced with antibiotics meats that are given to our dogs and cats (from
certain supermarket chains and the like).
*****
How do these impede digestion?
Chris O

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2e. Re: Recent Vet Visit
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 10:22 am ((PST))

On Jan 7, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Howard Salob wrote:

> Dear Chris O,
>
> My reply was based on hormone laden,radiated, steroid filled and
> laced with antibiotics meats that are given to our dogs and cats
> (from certain supermarket chains and the like). I do feed raw and
> it has helped save my animals lives. I am grateful for all the help
> you and other members have supplied me. I think I have posted an e-
> mail stating this. I think free range animals (like venison) are
> the best to give, but when supermarket food that has been filled
> with the above mentioned goodies it does not hurt to give
> probiotics. I am not stating anyone should do this. I agree with
> anyone's right to do what is best for their animals. That is why I
> give raw to mine. I know this is off topic but would to see
> everyone eat the healthiest they can. I would want everyone to
> enjoy the longest life possible with their cats and dogs.
>
>

And, even if this were entirely true, which I don't quite buy into,
how would any of this determine need for a probiotic?

And where, in the literature, is there any actual evidence that
probiotics survive the extremely strong stomach acids of canines to
even get to the intestines?

We're into facts here, Howard, so don't take it personally. Glad raw
is working for you!

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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3a. Re: Horse Turds
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 7:58 am ((PST))

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
>> Read the book " Raw Meaty Bone" by Tom landole
*****
That would be Lonsdale.
Chris O

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4a. Re: First Meal - Not without questions!
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 8:10 am ((PST))

> First I fed Hansel, my boston a couple ounce of semi frozen thigh.
> <snip> he chewed, crunched and kept regurgitating it back up into a
> foamy slime. That's normal right? It does really scare me.

Eating and immediately vomiting it back up usually means he didn't
get it small enough the first time around. He would probably do
better with a chicken quarter than a couple of thighs.

> I would eventually like to feed him bigger pieces but he guards. I
> don't think I should begin feeding raw by taking it away?

After the first few meals with my first puppy I started giving him
larger than single portions for a meal and taking it away. I always
traded him something for what I was taking and we never had any
problems with him happily giving up his food.

I think it helped being alone with him and not having

> He threw up and ate them again.

Again, it's likely he didn't get it right the first time. This
happens from time to time, but bigger food would probably help too.

You're doing great! Keep doing what you're doing, maybe with a
little tweaking, but you are on the right track.

Andrea

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5a. Re: feeding a puppy concern
Posted by: "Mandy Walter" mandy.0613@hotmail.com mandy07cherries
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 8:31 am ((PST))

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Thank you for your feedback. I am very new at the raw diet and any advice is most helpful. I do like my dogs to be lean, I dont have any overweight dogs at all. I like to easily feel their hip, back, and rib bones. They are very active always running around, typical border collie. I just have a hard time keeping them at a decent weight.
Im glad you let me know about what I should be feeding. I appreciate it. What I was told about their legs was that I was giving to much protein and this caused their legs to turn out. I was also told something about a calcium/phosphorus ratio or something like that that puppies need to get. My border collies one is a year and the other is 7 months. My aussie is 4 months and my jack russel is a little over a year.

I appreciate your feedback.

Thanks again
Mandy

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5b. Re: feeding a puppy concern
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 9:21 am ((PST))

"What I was told about their legs was that I was giving to much protein and
this caused their legs to turn out. I was also told something about a
calcium/phosphorus ratio or something like that that puppies need to get."

This is common for kibble fed puppies. Prey model raw diet you do not need
to worry about rations. Only that you are feeding approximately 80% muscle
meat, 10% bone, 10% organs over time.
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Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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6a. Re: Wow people are nutz!
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 8:32 am ((PST))

If it makes you feel any better Heather, I get flagged and deleted
every time I try to post an ad on Craigslist. I have had limited
success with scoring some venison with Freecycle though. I am only
allowed to post the same thing once a month though, so it makes it
hard to keep it in people's brains - especially after they've hit
delete!

-Steph and the girls

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wrote:
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> I tried to post on my local Freecycle and they told me asking for
food
> was against the rules! I can post food I don't want but can't ask
for
> it.. even though it's for my dog and cat. I never got replies of CL
> either. :( I envy all of you that hit it big that way.
>
> Heather
>

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6b. Re: Wow people are nutz!
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 10:27 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
>
> We don't have CL close enough to me but here's what I use for
> freecycle...Feel free to use it :-) It's worked for me & no meanies
> replied.
>
Trina,

I am going to give this a try, edited for my dogs, of course, who are
hardly Danes. Thanks for posting it! I will let you know the results.

Cheers,

Wendy

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7a. Re: Pork? / wild hog
Posted by: "Donna Forrester" birdiegirl67@comcast.net birdiegirl67
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 8:42 am ((PST))

Hi Lynne! BF= boyfriend <grin>

I'd hate to see a Bichon Frise after 'wrastling' a wild hog; just think
how much work the groomer would have to do............

Donna

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8a. Re: Hungry pug asking for more
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 9:21 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "katkellm" <katkellm@...> wrote:
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mozookpr" <mozookpr@> wrote:
>
> > I suspect that animals overeat for the same reasons people do:
> > boredom, bad habits, or simply because FOOD TASTES GOOD!
>
> I think that defining overeating is probably where the problem starts.
>

I define overeating as eating that results in obesity.

Having said that, I agree that the way dogs eat and the way people eat
are different, although there are those who say the urge to gorge is
still biologically present in humans, too, food not always having been
available at the local grocer's.

The main reason for my reply was the "apples and oranges" comparison of
reducing from cups of kibble to a chicken leg and reducing from a whole
chicken to a chicken leg. Since real meat meets a dog's nutritional
needs in a way that kibble never can, it seems logical that they would
need less of it. We know that; dogs don't. So, when they are first
offered real food, yeah, I can see them being insatiable for it. (They
might not "catch" such good prey tomorrow, as you pointed out.)

This dog has been eating raw for a week, if I remember correctly. His
appetite may diminish as he adapts to the continued presence of real
food, and learns that this is not just a miraculous windfall, but a
regular event. (This is what happened with mine.) Or he may be a dog,
who, like some people, never knows when to quit and would stuff himself
at every opportunity. Either way, the impression I have, from reading
the list, is that gorge feeding has its place, but may not be the best
thing for a dog so new to raw.

Cheers,

Wendy

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9a. Re: How much protein?
Posted by: "susrob061174" susrob061174@yahoo.com susrob061174
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 9:21 am ((PST))

<<All of the studies were not carried out by kibble companies and
they do state that quality is important.>>

I agree with you Sandee in every way. I was just curious what
protein source they used for the study. Quality is best, but what
quality are they talking about, Organic corn, wheat etc.. Just for
once I wish they would do a all meat/bone/organs source study and go
from there and I have not yet seen one. I hear what it does for my
dog, your dog and a friends dog but a lot of people still believe
the brainwash crap that vets way is best. I hear and believe that
meat and grain protein is different in everyway so there will be
different results.

<<Waltham has admitted dogs have no need for carbohydrates, Iams has
put out studies showing that dogs require meat based protein.
Selling their food is all about business and profit...that doesn't
mean they don't know the truth or that all of their studies are
unfounded.>>

True. Do you really think they would give the truth about a meat
based diet, that would hurt their pockets. I dont care what kind of
k****e it is there is still got additives, fillers and all the rest
of the crap in a bag.

<<Anyway, if we follow nature our pups will have all the nutrients
they require for perfect growth without us worrying about doing a
balancing act. Controlled growth is a result of feeding
appropriately which is prey model....that means lots of meat, a
little bone and organs.>>

I Agree, I Agree. Even in nature, it not balanced. I started
feeding raw (well it was called B**F at first 70/20/10)in 1998.
Since 2005 it been rawfeeding. But may dogs have been so darn
healthy, they hardy even go to the vet. I have had one successful
litter of 9 Great Danes whelped and reared on raw and with no
problems.

I look at nature. This may be nuts, but Im a mother wolf. I look for
food for my babies. At first, (puppies) I don't give bones just meat
then by the time at the age of 3 to 4 months I start adding bones. I
keep an eye out on the puppy's condition, not to rolly polly and not
to skiny. I had a total of 12 Danes, 2 from the age of 8 wks and 14
wks, one rescue at 6 yrs and 9 pups at once and not one had an bone
problems and growing pains. I had the raw reared pups up until the
age of 6 months then I started to place them into homes. I think I
have my study. I believe in raw, you just got to understand nature
and know what you are doing.

Susanne, Courtney & the Danes (Zoe, Wilson & Annie)
www.streborsgreatdanes.com

Having a Dane is Grand? Have you licked you Dane today? :P

Remember - science is not better than nature. When man changes
things from their natural state to increase profits, the food is no
longer 'real'. It becomes a man-made imitation.

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10a. Re: poop discussion
Posted by: "Josie Jareski" jjareski1@hotmail.com jjareski
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 9:35 am ((PST))

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I've been feeding raw for about 4 weeks in the beginning I too got the slimy stuff. I called several people that feed raw asking if this was normal or not and they all said yes and not to worry about it. After feeding necks and bony things I do find bone in the poop but never outside the poop. Or do you think she may have brought it back up in the yard then all you would see is the bone? Hope this helps you.

Josie Gizmo and Sadie

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11a. Re: Feeding raw egg to new puppy
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 9:35 am ((PST))

"Can I give raw egg to the new puppy or should I wait until she is older? If
I should wait, when is a good time to introduce the egg?"

Mine get an egg daily - just introduce slow so you don't give them the
squirts.
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Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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12a. Re: beef, pork and lamb...
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 9:59 am ((PST))

"Elizabeth" <rainsou1@...> wrote:>
> I was just making sure that there was not some sort of sizable
> difference between feeding heart or feeding regular muscle meats, or
> if I would be missing something from buying heart as the muscle meat.
*****
When you want to compare, your best bet is the USDA website. I am
perfectly comfortable feeding heart meat as muscle meat (after all the
heart is a muscle) but you want to check the bells and whistles, the
USDA website is standing ready to serve.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/
Chris O

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13a. Re: Feeding a puppy concern
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 10:20 am ((PST))

Mandy Walter <mandy.0613@...> wrote:
> Hi Everyone, I am fairly new to the forum, I have just been reading
the discussions. I am new at feeding raw and I have 4 puppies.
*****
How old? Same age? How do you survive? One pup at a time is
challenge enough!

I was told that I needed to buy the pre-packaged raw in order to
balance the meal for the puppies.
*****
This, as others have eloquently sritten, is untrue. You are
absolutely competent to feed your pups healthy, appropriate food.

I found that my puppies front legs started turning out when I was
giving the chicken quarters.
*****
These pups? How old were they then? Other pups? Frankly, I don't
see chicken quarters as causing this, and I don't see turning out
front legs as much more than puppy growth. While I do not recommend
feeding Chicken ala chicken, I can't see it structurally affecting
any dog immediately. People often expect puppies to be perfect. It
rarely works that way.

I wasnt sure how to balance their meals or if there was something I
was doing wrong. I was giving more than just the chicken of course. I
gave organ meat, green beans, yogurt, pumpkin, etc etc.
*****
Again, as others have written, stick to species appropriate food: no
veggies, no grains. Just flesh, fat, skin, connective tissue, organs
and edible bones. Adding inappropriate items does not make for
healthier menus or pups.

> My biggest question and concern is how and what to feed my growing
puppies. They are border collies and high energy. I have a hard time
keeping weight on them so I would give beef often but when I did that
I found they got the runs.
*****
You are probably reacting instead of responding. Beef is good, but
don't overdo its introduction. Fat is essential, but don't overfeed
it. I raised my BC (now 15 months) on chicken and beef and turkey
and venison and pork and quail and lamb and salmon and green tripe
and organs. It's all good; you simply have to introduce new foods
gently and be patient.

I suggest you continue feeding what works, start introducing new
meats, organs and edible bones, and gradually increase the amount of
food you offer. If you find a sudden increase causes loose stools
(this would be a normal reaction), spread the increase over more
meals. I fed my girl much "more" than her anticipated body weight
would indicate. It wasn't until she was close to a year that I was
able to cut back and have her maintain her athletic self without
looking skeletal. Today she still eats "more" than her weight
suggests.
Chris O

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14a. Re: BRAND NEW TO RAW DIET
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 10:27 am ((PST))

"1. Should skin be removed from chicken?" No

"2. What about sausages? Should they be fed?" No - to many additivies
(spice, etc.)

"3. Ground meat (some say feed it & some say not to??)" If it's cheap why
not. But idealy you want big chunks of meat or meat on bone.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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15a. Re: Hello of Denmark
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 10:27 am ((PST))

"I live in Denmark, and have two dogs and three cats. I have feed them with
rawfood for ½ of a year. Especially the old dog on 11 yrs was pretty messed
up from eating the wrong food. After a week eating raw stuff his bad smell
disappeared. He used to have a bath once a week to remove the smell, but
that is not nessesary anymore. He smell just fine now. There was a lot more
good things happening from changing their diets,
but more about that later."

Welcome Tonny! Isn't raw feeding grand!!!!
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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16. local meat supplier won't sell me meat
Posted by: "jfashian" jfashian@columbus.rr.com jfashian
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 10:27 am ((PST))

I just joined this group after reading online one night about the
benefits of raw feeding. I'm ready to switch our almost 13 year old
lab/boxer mix over to raw. I just called our local meat processor and
they said they don't have "cheap cuts of meat" to sell me. They say
they sell dogs bones for $3 each. I asked why they couldn't sell me any
leftover parts and they said it was against government regulations to
sell "inedible cuts of meat." HELP, do I have to buy all my meat from
the local groceries? Did I ask the wrong thing when I asked
for "leftover cuts of cheap meat for my dog" ? What specifically
should I ask for when I approach the butcher at the grocery?

Anyone live in Ohio?

Jennifer

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17a. Re: Chihuahua with missing teeth- feeding recommendations? update &
Posted by: "Kim" onlyzombiecat@embarqmail.com zombiecat3
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 10:27 am ((PST))

I wanted to thank those who replied to my original message on Dec.
29th about our newly adopted 8 year old 10.5 lb Chihuahua. I really
appreciated the advice and encouragement.

I also wanted to update a bit on how great Sophie is doing.

We have offered Sophie chicken wings as suggested. The first day she
stripped them of meat and skin but didn't really touch the bone. The
next day she got a little bone off the tip. Each day she is increasing
in confidence. Today she ate all the meat, skin and half the bone.
She has lost half a pound since we brought her home and started raw.
Her breath is so much nicer and she already looks healthier. She
actually jumped onto the sofa a few times this week.

Thanks again and best wishes,
Kim
Reggie- 18 month old Smooth Fox Terrier mix (11 months on raw)
Sophie- 8 year old Chihuahua (2 weeks on raw)

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