[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12466
There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: Portion size for Mastiffs
From: Ken Hyde
1b. Portion size for Mastiffs
From: Erika
1c. Re: Portion size for Mastiffs
From: Ctjb4@aol.com
2a. Re: woohoo great buy found
From: Amy Tracy
3a. Re: Honey?
From: Amy Maywald
3b. Re: Honey?
From: Giselle
4a. Re: I got TONS of free meat!!
From: steven muse
5. First Meal - Not without questions!
From: itissuki
6a. Re: Future newbee in training
From: Giselle
7a. Re: Recent Vet Visit
From: tammyco5@aol.com
7b. Re: Recent Vet Visit
From: carnesbill
8a. My first post:: an intro and a ?
From: Nikki
8b. Re: My first post:: an intro and a ?
From: katkellm
8c. Re: My first post:: an intro and a ?
From: carnesbill
9a. Re: Varying views
From: Nanette
10a. Re: Wow people are nutz!
From: timberdolly
10b. Re: Wow people are nutz!
From: T Smith
10c. Re: Wow people are nutz!
From: Heather
11. cost of raw feeding
From: Michelle R
12. Feeding Hope
From: Diane Atkinson
13a. Re: Getting over intimidation (was Portion sizes)
From: homesforallpets
14. How much protein?
From: gypsyjazmine
15a. Re: Question about "sawdust" scraps from butchers
From: A.
16. poop discussion
From: rolypolyloly
17. Ooops...My intro!
From: gypsyjazmine
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1a. Re: Portion size for Mastiffs
Posted by: "Ken Hyde" kenh83@yahoo.com kenh83
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 12:46 pm ((PST))
You need to feed them 2-4% of their body weight daily. You'll notice if they do not eat all then do not continue to feed what you feed when they did not eat it all.
Ken
----- Original Message ----
From: A. <ols@charter.net>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2008 2:09:32 PM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Portion size for Mastiffs
I was wondering about how many pounds you rawfeeders with Mastiffs (or
other giant breeds) are feeding a day? How old are they and how much
do they weigh too?
I am still adjusting what I am feeding my girls & finding the best for
each and was curious how close I am to others :)
~Amanda
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1b. Portion size for Mastiffs
Posted by: "Erika" Erika@redangelbordeaux.com redangelbordeaux
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 2:55 pm ((PST))
Mine varry greatly in portions. I don't exactly weigh every thing to the same amount every feeding I just get close to the amount within 1/2 lb and balance out the next day. My oldest is about 95lb 7 years old, still highly active but spayed female she gest any where between 1-2 lb but like to keep close to 1.5lb. 2 breeding age females age 2 & 4, about 125lbs each both get between 2-3 lbs keep closer to 2.5lbs same for my stud male who is little over 2 and at 96lbs (should fully mature to 125) Another female I keep closer to 2lbs and she is about 115lbs and 3.5 yr
My biggest mouth is my 2yr old male who is now 145lbs and should be at 160 full grown like his father. He gets between 3-5lbs and is a varacious eater! He once ate a 14lb turkey in one sitting! He was so fat and happy but only untill the next evening haha!
So you can see there can be a wide range for what is the right amount to feed. My dogs are Bordeaux mastiffs and have a very high muscle mass on them, they are actively playing in the yard with each other several times a day. Some people prefer the look of a heavier more massive mastiff but mine are sleek and slim, I keep them that way untill they are 3 then allow them to put on more mass and have always done so. They live longer and have much healthier joints for it. By doing this even when I was feeding kibble my 7 year old with severe hip displasia now still runs and jumps around with the young pups which is amazing considering that she should be a slow senior in the average lifespan of these dogs ;)
Hope that helps,
Erika
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1c. Re: Portion size for Mastiffs
Posted by: "Ctjb4@aol.com" Ctjb4@aol.com ctjb4
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 3:40 pm ((PST))
I have Mastiffs (English as sometimes called). My male just turned 2 and I
allow him to eat as much as he wants at every feeding. He is super lean and all
muscle last vet appointment he weighed 197 pounds. Honestly I need to put
another 20-30 pounds on him. But, he is a funny eater and I have found letting
him chose how much is better. I normally give him give put about 10 pound in
his bowl twice a day. I let him eat as much as he wants and pick up what is
left and serve it with more added next meal. I have a 3 year old also very
lean and muscled female who weighs 140 pounds she too could stand to gain about
10 pounds I feed her the same way but only put about 5 pounds in her dish
each time. Another female 18 months old 170 pounds not as lean but well muscled
was eating around 2-3 pounds a day and now all of the sudden is eating more
like 5-6 pounds a day I think she is fixing to hit another growing spurt. Also
feeding a litter of 5 puppies who are 3 months old weigh between 40-50
pounds each. They are each eating between 2 -3 pounds a day. Would eat more if I
let them but really should have any more than that right now.
I think each and every dog is different the biggest thing is just to work
with your dog and figure out what is the best amount for your dog. You want a
lean dog and to be able to feel the last rib.
Melisa
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2a. Re: woohoo great buy found
Posted by: "Amy Tracy" amypatriciatracy@gmail.com rosiesmomlovesrosie
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 12:47 pm ((PST))
We also found pork picnic and spare ribs today for 99 cents a pound!!!
Cheap pork days here in Chicago! Amy and Rosie
On 1/6/08, gsdlvr62@aol.com <gsdlvr62@aol.com> wrote:
> My 2 GSDs are fed mainly chicken quarters that i get cheap at
> walmart....i am always looking for buys under a dollar a pound for other
> types of meat
> but have not had much luck .Today i hit the jackpot.....My local Giant
> Eagle
> has pork spare ribs on sale for 99 cents a pound....i bought 20 pounds and
> would of bought more had i the money.I asked how long they were gonna be on
> sale and was told till gone....theyre left over from new years,...they
> only
> had about 2 cases left. These are nice meaty spare ribs.....almost a shame
> to
> give them to the dogs instead of humans LOL....but my guys deserve a nice
> treat... so for next 4-5 days spareribs it is.So make sure and check out
> those
> grocery store meat depts now.
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> Amber
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3a. Re: Honey?
Posted by: "Amy Maywald" amy1k@patmedia.net lovgoldens
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 1:33 pm ((PST))
Hi Kerry,
I just got my first package of Active Manuka Honey in the mail
yesterday! I bought it primarily for my golden who has, what seems to
be, acid reflux. Do you give it to your lab eveyday? How much do you
give and do you put it on her food?
Does anyone know if this is a palliative or curative treatment? I have
an appt with my homeopath tomorrow for her, I'll be sure to ask him his
thoughts on it.
Thanks,
Amy
> I give my Lab Active manuka honey for upset tummies. >
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3b. Re: Honey?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 2:59 pm ((PST))
Ladies?
Um, whether to feed honey or not isn't really the point.
Nor is the type of honey to feed.
The point is, its not species appropriate.
This maybe should be redirected to raw chat, no?
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/RawChat/
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey
Hi Kerry,
> I just got my first package of Active Manuka Honey in the mail
> yesterday!
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> <snip>
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>
> Does anyone know if this is a palliative or curative treatment? I have
> an appt with my homeopath tomorrow for her, I'll be sure to ask him his
> thoughts on it.
>
> Thanks,
> Amy
>
> > I give my Lab Active manuka honey for upset tummies. >
>
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4a. Re: I got TONS of free meat!!
Posted by: "steven muse" musesteven@yahoo.com musesteven
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 1:33 pm ((PST))
A,
Great! I'm going to try the Craigslist thing, how did you word your request & in what section?
thanks!
w. va. steve
"A." <ols@charter.net> wrote:
I wanted to thank everyone on here who posted ideas on how to get
free/cheap meat.
I went to my butchers and got 25 pounds of meat trimmings/scraps
along with "sawdust" scraps for $7.50!
(By the way, he said if I took the whole 400 pound barrell I could
have it for free. I am in the Truman Lake area of Missouri if anyone
wants to go in on that. I certainly have no room for 400 pounds lol)
I also put an ad on Craigslist and got an answer the first day. A
lady is an end of life caregiver and her client had lots of frezer
burned meats they were going to throw out. We met up with her
yesterday and she gave us the lot of it. I am so excited, there is
about $250-$300 worth of meat! Lots of fish too which is usually a
bit to expensive for me to buy much of.
Between both deals I will be feeding my Mastiffs for $7.50 for
awhile :)
~Amanda
Oh yeah, one question- the sawdust. It is just a bag of everything
including bone. Do I need to be careful how much of this I feed? I
don't really know how much of everything is in it, it may be a lot
of bone and I don't want to overdo it.
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5. First Meal - Not without questions!
Posted by: "itissuki" itissuki@gmail.com itissuki
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 1:33 pm ((PST))
Hi again,
I went out this morning & bought a few fryer chickens & chicken leg quarters (and pork for
later). Today is THE day! I portioned it out to freeze because I don't want to overfeed
starting out.
First I fed Hansel, my boston a couple ounce of semi frozen thigh. I could tell he wanted
to put his paw on it to rip but, it was cold and wet (he's dainty!). So, he chewed, crunched
and kept regurgitating it back up into a foamy slime. That's normal right? It does really
scare me. Being a brachycephalic breed, he's prone to snorting, gurgling and an
occasional cough but will this aspirate into his lungs?
I would eventually like to feed him bigger pieces but he guards. I don't think I should
begin feeding raw by taking it away? I think it helped being alone with him and not having
Ethan (boxer) or Muriel (cat).
Next was Ethan's turn. I had gotten some sample chicken necks and had given him one a
while back with no ill effects so I made a meal of it. I don't think I will ever buy them, since
they scare me. They were partially frozen and he crunched them up happily. While I was
cleaning up, he wanted to go out and I watched him from the window. He threw up and
ate them again. That too, is perfectly normal, right?
It's funny, while reading posts from beginners, I seem to be more objective. Now that
begun, I need the reassurance! Feel free to chime in :-)
Thanks,
Suki
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6a. Re: Future newbee in training
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 2:32 pm ((PST))
Hi, Anna!
YQW!
Sounds like a plan!
Just don't get stuck in a rut, plan to explore Ram's digestive abilities
(cautiously) with a wide variety of proteins, animal parts and organs asap.
Keep us posted on your progress!
* As an aside, for all you newbies out there who worry about bones getting
stuck, etc. and so forth; today my girl got a small(ish) chunk of lamb neck
wedged between her upper and lower teeth/left jaw - all the way in the back.
This is the first time I remember anything like this happening with her,
(she's nearly 7) as she is a thorough and careful chewer for any dog, let
alone a Newf! She's always within my sight when eating, and I noticed her
flipping her jaw to the side - evidently she had gotten the chunk too far
back into her mouth to chew it - got it wedged, she wasn't frantic, but
hadn't yet gotten to the point of pawing at her mouth to dislodge it. I held
her collar with one hand, and reached into her mouth with the other and
wiggled it free.
Then, since the offending bit (it was 3/4s the size of my fist!) was going
straight into the trash, I tossed her a jackpot of what I had close by - a
handful of cheddar goldfish crackers!
The Jackpot! was for trustingly letting me dig around in her mouth (she can
be guardy with food) and so she wouldn't be traumatized by what had happened
and so much more likely to let me do something similar in the future. Not
that I expect it ever to happen again!
This is a "Don't Worry, Be Happy, But Be Vigilant And Proactive " doggie
safety statement. ^_^
TC
Giselle
with Bea (of the BIG mouth and teeth) in New Jersey
Hi Giselle,
>
> Actually, the post you linked was one of the ones that convinced me
> that sooner is better for my boy.
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> <snip>
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> Thanks for the advice and
> encouragement!
>
> Anna, Ram and Polly
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7a. Re: Recent Vet Visit
Posted by: "tammyco5@aol.com" tammyco5@aol.com tamm1232000
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 2:55 pm ((PST))
Hi Bill,
I am not going to go through each point you made as I see you are not open
to learning anything new. I'm not into arguing. There are a lot of things I
don't know about and am excited when I learn new things. Probiotics is something
I know well and I have seen firsthand the difference they make. You can
believe what you want. That's your right.
Tammy
In a message dated 1/6/2008 12:33:36 P.M. Central Standard Time,
carnesw@bellsouth.net writes:
I disagree with this. Probiotics do much more than just aid
> with digestion, but does a very good job with this!
Thats what the probiotic manufacturers would like you to believe.
They spend a lot of money promoting this false idea. It's like the
kibble companies promoting the idea that kibble is good for out dogs.
> Yeast is a fungus, (bad bacteria), and
> probiotics are strains of good bacteria. You need to replace
> the bad bacteria with the good.
No, just killing the bad is quite sufficient. Most of the time you
don't even have to do that. The immune system will take care of it.
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7b. Re: Recent Vet Visit
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 4:28 pm ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, tammyco5@... wrote:
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> I am not going to go through each point you made as I see you
> are not open to learning anything new.
Oh, quite the contrary, I learn new stuffs all the time. Almost
every day. You are not countering my points because you can't.
They are factual.
> There are a lot of things I
> don't know about and am excited when I learn new things.
Problem is that you are evidently learning things that are not
factual. Be careful what you take into your brain. If you don't
filter the information going in, your brain ends up full of garbage.
> Probiotics is something
> I know well and I have seen firsthand the difference they make.
Go back and read my story about the flu in my previous post. You
are the one who got the shot. You incorrectly credit the shot with
curing your flu.
> You can believe what you want. That's your right.
I "believe" very little. I know what I know and what I don't know.
I draw conclusions based on what I know. Sometimes I guess at what
I don't know. :) :) :)
Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
Feeding Raw since October 2002
"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale
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8a. My first post:: an intro and a ?
Posted by: "Nikki" oznnik@msn.com nausdemore
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 2:56 pm ((PST))
Hi everyone! This is my first post here, but I've been reading and
lurking for about a month now. I've adopted a yellow lab from a
breeder who raw fed and have continued to feed him raw and switched my
12 year old Daschund to raw as well. We've seen great results with it
and really enjoy seeing our guys so happy and full of life!
Now for my question, I have a bag of boneless chicken breasts that is
freezer burned. It's in a solution of up to 15% of water and kosher
salt (to help prevent freezer burn....hahaha!). Can I still feed to my
dogs? Will it cause diarhea? Thank you! I appreciate all of the
information you all provide. :)
Nikki, mama to 3 human boys and 2 canine boys.
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8b. Re: My first post:: an intro and a ?
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 4:05 pm ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nikki" <oznnik@...> wrote:
> Now for my question, I have a bag of boneless chicken breasts that is
> freezer burned. It's in a solution of up to 15% of water and kosher
> salt (to help prevent freezer burn....hahaha!). Can I still feed to my
> dogs?
Hi Nikki,
Nice to meet you. I am glad that your dogs are doing so great. If it
was just freezer burned chicken, it would definitely be ok to feed.
The reason i wouldn't feed it is because it has been enhanced with
salt. Lots of dogs that do great on chicken have a reaction to any
kind of enhancement that they inject into chicken. KathyM
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8c. Re: My first post:: an intro and a ?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 5:38 pm ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nikki" <oznnik@...> wrote:
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> I have a bag of boneless chicken breasts that is
> freezer burned. It's in a solution of up to 15% of water and
kosher
> salt (to help prevent freezer burn....hahaha!). Can I still feed
> to my dogs?
Absolutely.
> Will it cause diarhea?
There is no reason to think it would if they otherwise tolerate
chicken well.
If you decide not to feed it, you can send it to me and I will not
hesitate to feed it to my 2 dogs and 2 cats. :) :) :)
Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
Feeding Raw since October 2002
"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale
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9a. Re: Varying views
Posted by: "Nanette" nanettechols@gmail.com nanettechols
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 3:40 pm ((PST))
On Jan 4, 2008 10:38 PM, costrowski75 <Chriso75@aol.com> wrote:
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> "muirghealfinne" <muirghealfinne@...> wrote:
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> I have a four year old field spaniel that
> > weighs thirty-five pounds. I don't know exactly how to go about
> > transitioning her.
> *****
> You transition her by adding raw meat to her kibble, by removing one of
> her kibble meals and replacing it with a "RMB" and over some
> unspecified amount of time you reduce the kibble and increase the raw
> meat until you've stopped feeding kibble. That's how you transition a
> dog to raw.
When we gave our guys kibble with raw they threw it all up. That was
the last kibble meal they ever got. We went right to raw and haven't
looked back. We've kept the bone portions up but in week 3 are
begining to back off for one and not for the other. Each dog is
different and will let you know what is right. Just try something and
see what happens. We tossed the kibble...
Nanette with Hagrid and Petey in St. Paul
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10a. Re: Wow people are nutz!
Posted by: "timberdolly" pasqualina@comcast.net timberdolly
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 3:40 pm ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "krheintgen" <krheintgen@...> wrote:
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> ...you are not the first to have been
> > blasted when mentioning raw on craigslist. I think the best advice
> is to
> > not use that word! ..... You can use phrase such as "home-
> prepared" and
> > some have mentioned that because of health problems their vet has
> > recommended a home made diet, etc.
>
> Yea -- When I post for freezer burned meat on my local Free Cycle I
> just say I am using to "make dog food." A true enough statement,
even
> if all I do to "make" the food is unwrap it...
>
> Kathy R.
>The vet techs acted as though I said, "Hi. I just had sex with my
son". when I said I fed raw at one hospital. Another person I mety, had
company run out of her house, when she let the dogs, prewash her plates
before putting them into the blazing hot dishwasher. They said, "We
can't believe you fed PEOPLE from those!". For laughs, Lynne
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10b. Re: Wow people are nutz!
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 3:57 pm ((PST))
We don't have CL close enough to me but here's what I use for
freecycle...Feel free to use it :-) It's worked for me & no meanies
replied.
<<< We feed our dogs a natural diet and are looking for any unwanted or
freezer burned meat you may have lurking in your freezers. Any kind of
meats, organs (heart, liver, kidney) & Fish, whole or pieces.
Must be raw/uncooked - with or without bones, unseasoned. No need to throw
any of it away, we will take it off your hands for you.
IT'S HUNTING SEASON SEASON! Hunters leftovers also welcome. No heads
please.
Willing to travel XXXX & XXXX for fair amount(s). Local XXXX residents, we
will pick up any amounts!
We feed several disabled dogs; including Great Danes. We have room to hold
any amount of meats you have to offer!
Thank you, our dogs will appreciate all your efforts.
Please email, it is much faster to get ahold of us. If'd you like our phone
number to call, let me know. >>>
GOOD LUCK!
Trina
On Jan 6, 2008 3:33 PM, timberdolly <pasqualina@comcast.net> wrote:
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com <rawfeeding%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "krheintgen" <krheintgen@...> wrote:
> >
> > ...you are not the first to have been
> > > blasted when mentioning raw on craigslist. I think the best advice
> > is to
> > > not use that word! ..... You can use phrase such as "home-
> > prepared" and
> > > some have mentioned that because of health problems their vet has
> > > recommended a home made diet, etc.
> >
> > Yea -- When I post for freezer burned meat on my local Free Cycle I
> > just say I am using to "make dog food." A true enough statement,
> even
> > if all I do to "make" the food is unwrap it...
> >
> > Kathy R.
> >The vet techs acted as though I said, "Hi. I just had sex with my
> son". when I said I fed raw at one hospital. Another person I mety, had
> company run out of her house, when she let the dogs, prewash her plates
> before putting them into the blazing hot dishwasher. They said, "We
> can't believe you fed PEOPLE from those!". For laughs, Lynne
>
> <http://s48.photobucket.com/albums/f232/coldbeach/>
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10c. Re: Wow people are nutz!
Posted by: "Heather" newbeginnings06@gmail.com malignstar
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 5:41 pm ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
>
> We don't have CL close enough to me but here's what I use for
> freecycle...Feel free to use it :-) It's worked for me & no meanies
> replied.
I tried to post on my local Freecycle and they told me asking for food
was against the rules! I can post food I don't want but can't ask for
it.. even though it's for my dog and cat. I never got replies of CL
either. :( I envy all of you that hit it big that way.
Heather
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11. cost of raw feeding
Posted by: "Michelle R" crested_dog8@yahoo.com crested_dog8
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 4:27 pm ((PST))
I currently feed 14 of my own dogs, plus 2 cats plus 2 of my moms dogs raw and feeding mostly venison, which I can get free, plus chicken about twice a week, which is cheap...I get the 10 pound bag of leg quarters from walmart. Then every so often I will get a duck (its only 99 cents/pound.) I average about $30 a month for ALL of these dogs. Of course, all are small (except one) , and I am lucky all do very well eating bunches of the good free venison. I splurged the other day and got some frog legs (soooooooo expensive, 4 pair of legs was $6.50)...I have several who just had a birthday, so for their birthday special dinner, they got froglegs. :-) I also every once in a while will buy fish, when its cheap, usually either catfish nuggets, which I like to feed still frozen, it keeps them busy for a while so I can clean house, or whatever, or the canned mackeral, which they go CRAZY for, but I hate cuz it stinks up the whole house just to open the can.
LOL Every once in a while I go nuts and may spend $30 in one trip when I find special stuff on sale..but its more of a stocking up, when I find great deals on good stuff, (like super meaty pork neck bones already cut into perfect size pieces for my kids at 68 cents/pound) its not an everyday thing to spend alot of $$ to feed them. It averages out. I am lucky in having little bitty guys who dont have to eat 4 pounds a day each, all but my one big guy do very well on just a few ounces a day. :-) I also get all the kidney and liver and occassionally pork hearts I need for free..another wonderful bonus. :-) Keeps my kids and my wallet smiling!!
Michelle Radcliff
Mengshi Chinese Cresteds
http://www.geocities.com/crested_dog8/mengshihome.html
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12. Feeding Hope
Posted by: "Diane Atkinson" hopenfox@yahoo.com.au hopenfox
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 4:28 pm ((PST))
Hi, I've been raw feeding for around 6 1/2 years now. I now have
three dogs and three ferrets all eating a raw prey model diet.
I wrote about 'Hope's Story' on Raw Chat in the hope of getting some
suggestions on how others would feed their dog if they had a dog in
Hope's position. I thought I would post here too for more viewings.
A short outline - Hope had an accident where she required surgery on
her oesophagus, that has left scarring, causing a stiffness and
narrowing at the damaged point of her oesophagus. This means she can
never be fed whole bones again, because of the increased chance of a
bone getting stuck. (Hope and I can't afford another surgery!)
Her current diet (7 months after surgery) consists of whole in shell
raw eggs every couple of days, a meaty bone most days, given under
strict supervision, removed as soon as the meat is gone, raw meat
chunks and chicken necks held by me so portions are controlled, and
raw mince (ground) fed by spoon. She gets ground rabbit, kangaroo,
beef, turkey, fish and lamb and also ground bone-in chicken for the
bone. And also some liver, kidney, etc. every now and then.
Her average daily meal is a Kong in the morning stuffed with raw
(sometimes frozen) mince and in the afternoon, a meaty bone to
pull/gnaw the meat off, followed by enough mince to fill her up.
Another daily plan might be a whole raw egg in the morning, and in the
afternoon chicken necks and chunks of meat held by me while she gnaws
off portions.
Does this sound okay? Would you do anything differently?
Thanks,
~ Diane & Hope ~
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13a. Re: Getting over intimidation (was Portion sizes)
Posted by: "homesforallpets" homesforallpets@yahoo.com homesforallpets
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 5:39 pm ((PST))
> Well, I do think I'm going to cut my losses on this one. But in the
> big picture I'd still like to get her onto at least occasional
feasts.
> For one, she has bad teeth (enamel hypoplasia from a puppyhood fever)
> and I think a real good gnaw can only be good for her. For another,
> she's a skinny thing but if for example I give her two one pound
> chicken quarters, she'll eat the first and stash the second. My hope
> would be if I gave her a 2.5 pound hunk of meat, she'd eat her fill.
>
> Thanks for letting me know we're not alone in shunning the Big
Kill! :D
>
> -Alison and Mieke
>
If she is stashing oone for later I would take it to mean she wants
two meals or at least try it to see if she'll eat all her daily ration
that way. I'm lucky and my dogs eat in one meal each day. I tried
giving smaller meals because of their age but I let them eat til they
are done and thats it they don't want more til the next day.
Kathy in MO
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14. How much protein?
Posted by: "gypsyjazmine" GYPSY_JAZMINE@MSN.COM gypsyjazmine
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 5:41 pm ((PST))
I had someone explain to me once that feeding RAW doesn't carry as
much protein as one might think.
I have an x-large breed & am getting further into RAW feeding & am
interested in the % of protein when feeding RAW.
Ty in advance!
Michelle
Samsong Great Pyrenees
Iowa
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15a. Re: Question about "sawdust" scraps from butchers
Posted by: "A." ols@charter.net cesare.1920
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 5:42 pm ((PST))
> Since you have
> spoken to a processor, is there any chance that you can get the trim
> from meat or the heads or the legs or the ribs? Will they let you
> surf through the barrels yourself so you can take what you want?
KathyM
***Yes he will. This was just my first time there and he asked what I
wanted and I wasn't sure so I said whatever. He also gave me some bags
of meat & fat leftovers.
I will just give a little of the sawdust at each meal to get rid of it-
you don't think that will hurt will it?
~Amanda
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16. poop discussion
Posted by: "rolypolyloly" einafets83@gmail.com rolypolyloly
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 5:42 pm ((PST))
Hi guys... have been feeding my girl raw for ~3 weeks now and because
she is pooping smaller, less messy poops, I haven't bothered to pick
it up out of my yard in awhile. I went out to pick it up today, and am
a little bothered by what I saw. I found large chunks of bone laying
in the yard (we feed her inside) and have no idea why it is there.
Also, some of her poop was very crumbly and grainy. I don't know why
it should be grainy. I am most worried about the mucus-like slime that
was on a lot of her poop. I had rubber gloves on, so I pulled the
slime off, and it came away from the poop in one piece. Very very
weird. She is seeing the vet tomorrow (unrelated to raw feeding-- I
think she has a tumor on the underside of her tongue) and will
probably stay the night with the vet. Hopefully, if anything is out of
the ordinary, he will notice.
Any thoughts?
-Stefanie
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17. Ooops...My intro!
Posted by: "gypsyjazmine" GYPSY_JAZMINE@MSN.COM gypsyjazmine
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 5:43 pm ((PST))
I have been lurking & reading here & posted a question earlier this
evening & then realized that I don't think I ever posted an intro...Sorry!
My name is Michelle & I live in Iowa...I have been slowly but surely
switching my 4 Great Pyrenees dogs to RAW for some time now & am also
interested in feeding RAW to my 9 cats...One of whom has an auto
immune problem & I am interested in seeing if RAW will help him.
We would probably be on RAW 100% by now but we moved across the state
to a completely unfamiliar & rural area & I am finding my
"connections" here still....Plus I lost a couple of months due to an
illness I was hospitalized for.
I am getting my strength & focus back & am, once again, working
towards 100% RAW for my dogs & getting my cats started on RAW.
I am glad I am here as I can see it is a group of very RAW savvy people!
Peaceful paths to all!
Michelle
Samsong Great Pyrenees
Iowa
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