Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12465

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Recent Vet Visit
From: tammyco5@aol.com
1b. Re: Recent Vet Visit
From: tammyco5@aol.com
1c. Re: Recent Vet Visit
From: costrowski75
1d. Re: Recent Vet Visit
From: Sandee Lee
1e. Re: Recent Vet Visit
From: carnesbill

2a. Re: Getting over intimidation (was Portion sizes)
From: johnsonkp200
2b. Re: Getting over intimidation (was Portion sizes)
From: k9_smiley
2c. Re: Getting over intimidation (was Portion sizes)
From: k9_smiley
2d. Re: Getting over intimidation (was Portion sizes)
From: Robert Ekendahl
2e. Re: Getting over intimidation (was Portion sizes)
From: katkellm
2f. Re: Getting over intimidation (was Portion sizes)
From: katkellm

3a. Re: Chunky labrador
From: costrowski75

4a. Re: Honey?
From: Tracy

5a. Re: Future newbee in training
From: L.Tucker

6a. Re: Pork?
From: mozookpr

7a. Re: beef, pork and lamb...
From: Elizabeth
7b. Re: beef, pork and lamb...
From: ekendahl
7c. Re: beef, pork and lamb...
From: katkellm

8. Post Surgery
From: marieandthefuzzybunch

9. Portion size for Mastiffs
From: A.

10a. Question about "sawdust" scraps from butchers
From: A.
10b. Re: Question about "sawdust" scraps from butchers
From: katkellm

11. Feeding raw egg to new puppy
From: Bill & Jan Pace

12. woohoo great buy found
From: gsdlvr62@aol.com

13a. Re: Help! Only tolerates chicken qtrs.
From: steven muse

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1a. Re: Recent Vet Visit
Posted by: "tammyco5@aol.com" tammyco5@aol.com tamm1232000
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 7:39 am ((PST))

I disagree with this. Probiotics do much more than just aid with digestion,
but does a very good job with this! Yeast is a fungus, (bad bacteria), and
probiotics are strains of good bacteria. You need to replace the bad bacteria
with the good. If your dog has ever been on one dose of antibiotics which
kills the good bacteria, you should give him probiotics. This vet is right to put
your dog on probiotics for the yeast in the ears or anywhere else in the
body. Just cleaning the ears externally is not going to kill the yeast
internally. Dogs that chew on their nails and between their feet most likely have
yeast there. It definitely will not hurt any animal to be on probiotics for
life. They're eating animals that have been given antibiotics. Probiotics are a
must for humans. Google probiotics and what they do for us and our pets. They
also strengthen the immune system.

Tammy :-)

In a message dated 1/5/2008 7:07:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,
carnesw@bellsouth.net writes:

Gave me two things to give him: iFlora
> acidophilus. Said he had to have this to get yeast under control.

She's full of it. Acidophilus is a probiotic. It supposedly aids
digestion and has no connecton to yeast infection in the ears. I
have serious doubts about it having any effect on dogs at all.

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1b. Re: Recent Vet Visit
Posted by: "tammyco5@aol.com" tammyco5@aol.com tamm1232000
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 7:39 am ((PST))

Ooops, forgot a few things. Forget the yogurt. Dogs can't digest dairy. It
also only has acidophilus in it which is just one strain of a probiotic. You
want one with several different strains. The amount in yogurt is little
compared to what a probiotic has.

Hot, humid weather alone doesn't cause yeast to grow. It plays a role in it
but diet, stress, antibiotics, medications, state of health, etc. all play
into it. This kind of weather just creates the perfect atmosphere for the yeast
to grow much faster. Diet is a major factor in yeast problems. When people
have Candida which is an overabundance of yeast, the first thing they should do
is go on an anti Candida diet which is mostly eating low carb veggies and
meat. This raw diet is perfect for our pets. No veggies of course.

Tammy

In a message dated 1/5/2008 7:07:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,
carnesw@bellsouth.net writes:

> We discussed yogurt. I had been feeding yogurt but did seem to
> help that much, and I really don't want to have to buy that
> unless necessary.

Yogurt does not have the effects on dogs that it does on humans.
It's a useless item to give to dogs.

> Other med was Thymex dietary supplement (bovine thymus cytosol
> extract). She said by the time the bottles were gone his
> ears should be looking pretty good.

I don't know anything about Thymex and can't comment on it.

> And I may or may not have to continue with a
> probiotic with this dog due to the hot humid climate we live in in
> Florida, and his floppy ears that stay moist are a great place for
> yeast to florish. So....

I agree with her that diet has nothing to do with your dogs
problems. I don't know why she is prescribing probiotics when she
admits that its humdity caused. OH! Yes I do. I bet you bought
the probiotics from her. Thats why she recommended them.

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1c. Re: Recent Vet Visit
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:04 am ((PST))

"Casey Post" <mikken@...> wrote:
> As someone who used to feed leafy greens (and only the "best" -
organic!
> beautiful red oak leaf lettuce, wheat grass, romaine, etc.) and
went so far
> as to pulp fresh ones every single day for my crew, I can tell you
that it
> did NOTHING to improve my dogs' health.
*****
Ah, but didn't it just make you feel like you were really a part of
the experience? That all that pulping truly made you a better person?
<snort>

I was so proud of myself, making up batches of tiny veggie ice cubes
so I could combine greens with reds (antioxidants don'tcha know?) and
mix the right blend for each dog's needs. Uh-huh. And then I was so
proud of myself for moving to veggies prepared daily. Woo woo, I was
REALLY a good DogMom then. Sakes alike.

There is no question that makework instills a sense of purpose.
Chris O

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1d. Re: Recent Vet Visit
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 9:41 am ((PST))

Wow you guys...I didn't realize I was such a bad Mommy by grinding up
volumes at a time and freezing!!!!! :) Daily, huh?

I did however grow most of my own veggies for the dogs! Does that make up
for it?????

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "costrowski75" <Chriso75@AOL.COM>

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1e. Re: Recent Vet Visit
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 10:33 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, tammyco5@... wrote:
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>
> I disagree with this. Probiotics do much more than just aid
> with digestion, but does a very good job with this!

Thats what the probiotic manufacturers would like you to believe.
They spend a lot of money promoting this false idea. It's like the
kibble companies promoting the idea that kibble is good for out dogs.

> Yeast is a fungus, (bad bacteria), and
> probiotics are strains of good bacteria. You need to replace
> the bad bacteria with the good.

No, just killing the bad is quite sufficient. Most of the time you
don't even have to do that. The immune system will take care of it.

> If your dog has ever been on one dose of antibiotics which
> kills the good bacteria, you should give him probiotics.

Again, thats what the probiotics companies would like you to
believe. Here is what they don't want you to know. Yes,
antibiotics can and sometimes does kill "good" bacteria. However,
these good bacteria replinish themselves on thier own very quickly.
Usually less than 24 hours.

It's kinda like 2 humans who get the flu. One goes to the doctor
and gets a shot and is well in 3 to 4 days. The other does nothing
and is well in 3 to 4 days. The one who took the shot will be
absolutely convinced that the shot cured the flu. The other knows
better.

You can give probiotics just after a round of antibiotics and the
dog will get back to normal. OR you can do nothing and the dog will
get back to normal just as fast.

Another think the probiotic manufacturers don't want you to know is
that the digestive bacteria work completely independent of the dog's
body. They are not part of the dog and have no connection to the
dog except that they live in it's gut. The amount of digestive
bacteria in the gut is entirely dependent on the amount of food
passing through the dog. It has nothing to do with the dog, his
health or his immune system. THey are completely independent. They
will quickly grow to whatever size that the amount of food in the
gut will support.

I have asked the question dozens of times and have never had anyone
to sufficiently explain how "good bacteria" can make it through a
dogs stomach when Salmonelly, e-coli and many other strains of "bad
bacteria" is killed. The answer is they can't. You are delivering
deat "good bacteria" to the dog's gut. I asked a vet about this
very thing one time and he explained that the only way to get "good
bacteria" into a dogs gut is through anal supositories, not through
the stomach.

> This vet is right to put your dog on probiotics for the yeast
> in the ears or anywhere else in the body.

That MIGHT make sense if probiotics actually killed anything. It
doesn't.

> It definitely will not hurt any animal to be on probiotics for
> life.

Thats probably a true statement, however, NOR will they contribute
to the health of the animal.

> They're eating animals that have been given antibiotics.

So do we. That doesn't prove anyhthing. How long ago were they
given those anitiotics and how long to antibiotics maintain their
strength and how long to they stay in the animals body? My answer
is that it is just not an issue.

> Probiotics are a must for humans.

BALONEY!!!!!! I have never taken an probiotic in my life nor do I
know anyone who has. They definately are NOT a must. The only
digestive bacteria that are a MUST of any animal including humans
already populates the gut in the amount necessary to digest the food
the animal eats.

> Google probiotics and what they do for us and our pets. They
> also strengthen the immune system.

Another baloney ... they digest food. They are already in the body
and don't need replinishment from outside sources. They have
nothing to do with the immune system. They are independent of the
body and have no interaction with it. Only thier by-product
(digested food) is useful to the body. Remember the flu. Google
probiotics and you wlll find out what the manufacturers want you to
know which is no better than what dog food manufacturers want you to
know.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2a. Re: Getting over intimidation (was Portion sizes)
Posted by: "johnsonkp200" sunfiretervs@comcast.net johnsonkp200
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 7:40 am ((PST))

> > For that matter, how does one start introducing a dog to the
concept of Big Meals..
My dog has been on raw for 3 months now and still is offended by large
meats or carcasses. I tried "starving" him (for two meals haha) but why
offend your dog like that? Now I just cut of a meal's worth of meat in
a big strip so he has to chew it. Sometimes it will include bone,
other times not. While most on this list advocate feeding as big as
possible then picking it up after awhile, I see no harm in just feeding
them what they will eat. It IS the same meat, after all and why insist
that they tackle everything like an alpha wolf? I'd bet that there are
plenty of wolves lower in the heirachy of the pack who eat by stealing
the already torn pieces and running off with them.
Karen

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2b. Re: Getting over intimidation (was Portion sizes)
Posted by: "k9_smiley" k9_smiley@yahoo.com k9_smiley
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 10:33 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "johnsonkp200" <sunfiretervs@...>
wrote:

> While most on this list advocate feeding as big as
> possible then picking it up after awhile, I see no harm in just feeding
> them what they will eat. It IS the same meat, after all and why insist
> that they tackle everything like an alpha wolf? I'd bet that there are
> plenty of wolves lower in the heirachy of the pack who eat by stealing
> the already torn pieces and running off with them.
> Karen
>

Well, I do think I'm going to cut my losses on this one. But in the
big picture I'd still like to get her onto at least occasional feasts.
For one, she has bad teeth (enamel hypoplasia from a puppyhood fever)
and I think a real good gnaw can only be good for her. For another,
she's a skinny thing but if for example I give her two one pound
chicken quarters, she'll eat the first and stash the second. My hope
would be if I gave her a 2.5 pound hunk of meat, she'd eat her fill.

Thanks for letting me know we're not alone in shunning the Big Kill! :D

-Alison and Mieke

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2c. Re: Getting over intimidation (was Portion sizes)
Posted by: "k9_smiley" k9_smiley@yahoo.com k9_smiley
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 10:33 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "katkellm" <katkellm@...> wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "k9_smiley" <k9_smiley@> wrote:
> > What's next? :\
> If that
> doesn't work, you need to decide if you want to tough love it.

I seem to be cursed with skinny picky dogs -- my elderly German
shepherd used to snub chicken, now this new girl is a livewire and
won't eat anything but poultry. I'm a terrible tough-lover, I just
want my pups to eat enthusiastically! LOL. So I think this pork leg is
a goner -- it was already a pretty stinky cut of meat when I bought
it, and now it's been out in 50-60 degree weather on and off for two
days. Pyew. She's not even eating hunks cut off the bone anymore. :P
(She's out there with it, has been for a half hour, and she's lying on
the porch giving me a sorrowful stare, LOL.)

Thanks for the advice, we'll work up to this!

-Alison and Mieke

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2d. Re: Getting over intimidation (was Portion sizes)
Posted by: "Robert Ekendahl" robert@ekendahl.org ekendahl
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 11:36 am ((PST))

Hmm,

I had to tough love both my two dogs when they where puppies (both
around 10 months age, I think it's a puppy testing their newfound will).
They both tried the "if I refuse to eat I'll get something better" trick
and once I realized what as going on I offered food for 20 minutes then
removed it and offered nothing else (but love and play) in between
meals. Repeat each morning and night (or as often as you feed). My first
dog who is a stubborn pig-head lasted 48 hours (4 meals) of refusing to
eat. My younger, sweeter dog skipped two meals. Neither have tried it
again and now eat what is offered.

I'm going through the same with my cat at the moment. She will eat a few
pieces of food then try to coax me into cutting the meat smaller (she
got away with that the first few days as I was concerned about amounts.
I figure she's eating enough to sustain herself with the pieces she is
eating so I now take the food away after about an hour. I'm not feeding
her large pieces, just larger then what's she's used to. I'm sure her
jaws are aching but... "though love", it still breaks my heart...

I think leaving food out might make it easier for a dog/cat to ignore in
the sense she gets used to it and avoids the area. But being offered
food at regular times and refusing it (and having it taken away) might
be harder. It's not easy to go through but I think it also teaches the
dog who's "the decider". Just my $0.02 and I'm not a dog/cat or raw expert.

Still, you need to judge how important getting variety in is. And I'm
lucky, my "smart" dogs where refusing kibble to get to treats (and now I
can understand that). They have so far been more then happy with
anything raw I given them (only a week though) including chicken liver,
kidney and hearts.

/Robert

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2e. Re: Getting over intimidation (was Portion sizes)
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 11:37 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "k9_smiley" <k9_smiley@...> wrote:
-- my elderly German
> shepherd used to snub chicken, now this new girl is a livewire and
> won't eat anything but poultry.

Hi Alison,
How about instead of 2 chicken quarters, trying a half of a chicken.
The results might be that she'll only eat a quarter, but she'll get to
tackle the task of bigger size food with something you know she loves.
If she is already a fussy eater and isn't crazy about pork, that
might have been the problem, too. My aussie doesn't like goat. If i
feed a single meal, i'll offer her goat, and if she chooses not to
eat, i choose to not feed her anything but that piece of goat till she
eats it. I would not, however, offer her a big meal of goat. I see
the point of variety, but not a huge portion of something she doesn't
care for. So are you up to half a chicken? :) KathyM

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2f. Re: Getting over intimidation (was Portion sizes)
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 12:46 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "johnsonkp200" <sunfiretervs@...>
wrote:
Now I just cut of a meal's worth of meat in
> a big strip so he has to chew it.

Hi Karen,
Feeding BIFLO (big food less often) is one way to feed raw, but it is
by no means a requirement or a necessity or such, and i am not looking
to be argumentative or any such thing. The only thing that i think
you might want to think about, though, is that eating a one pound hunk
of meat is not the same for a dog as a dog ripping and tearing and
pulling one pound of food off of a bigger piece of meat. So, even if
you only want to feed once a day or twice a day, a dog still benefits
from eating off of a larger than to be consumed hunk of meat. This
is just my observation from feeding raw meals of varying sizes. KathyM

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3a. Re: Chunky labrador
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 8:30 am ((PST))

"twojakes45" <nigelburley@...> wrote:
>> Currently I keep him restricted to about 1lb a day, any less then
> that seems very mean for a big dog considering the 2.0% of body
> weight guideline equals around 1.6lb
*****
Yes, abolutely feed him every other do, or even more infrequently
than that. Yes, consider cutting some of that fatty brisket bone
(nice body part, isn't it?) with leaner chicken or even fish. I
recommend you not cut WAY back on fat, just offer whole foods that
are naturally leaner.

I believe feeding Big Food Less Often is more gratifying and less
frustrating to the dog than feeding unfulfilling "proper sized" meals
daily. And I certainly have from personal experience seen that Big
Food Less Often can result in weight loss. You still have to monitor
intake but you can do on a larger scale, which means you can feed a
big three pound something or other every second day. Or you can feed
a big three pound something for one feeding but a two pounder next
time. Or a big five pound something twice a week.

Seems to me it's nigh to impossible to convince a Lab it's adequately
fed, but it is definitely possible to increase the value of the meals
you do feed. That helps.

My 85# Lab is not getting much exercise these days, alas. He eats
mostly every other day; sometimes every second day, somethings small
meals two days straight. There are a lot of unknowns in his diet and
I think that keeps him from raising expectations. I feed him
anywhere from 1% of his weight to 4% of his weight (I am guessing
from experience) and while generally his lower ribs are easily
visible, the other ribs just barely ripple beneath his (heavy) coat.
When I cannot see the upper ribs, I cut back for a while.

He loves his food, he would really like to be fed every day like the
cats are (and the adult cat would really like to be fed as often as
the kitten is!) but he doesn't fuss about food until I am putting the
meals out for the dogs and he's not first in line.

To reduce the changes of digestive distress--if your Lab doesn't have
a cast iron stomach, you may have to increase meal size gradually,
and similarly decrease other meals. Abruptly increasing meal size
may thrill his brain but flummox his digestion. How long it takes to
rearrange his menu depends on him and you but I'd wager inside a
month you both should be good to go.
Chris O

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4a. Re: Honey?
Posted by: "Tracy" dunkirklane@gmail.com dunkirklanen
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 9:20 am ((PST))

Honey is recommended by some natural pet care practioners (Juliette de
Bairacli Levi, CJ Puotinen) as an antiseptic food for sick dogs. It can
inhibit the growth of harmful bacteria in the digestive track. There is
also a theory that it can help with allergies if you feed raw local
honey. Others probably know a lot more than I do on this, but the
theory is along the lines of teaching the body how to stop over-
reacting to allergens such as pollen. This has worked for some people
and may also apply to dogs. They recommend giving a tablespoon of honey
throughout the allergy season, starting prior to when allergies
typically begin.

Of course a dog fed an appropriate raw diet without vacinnations and
without significant genetic problems shouldn't need this, but it can be
useful for dogs that are having immune system problems for any of these
reasons.

-- Tracy

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5a. Re: Future newbee in training
Posted by: "L.Tucker" ltucker@sympatico.ca love_rescue_dogs
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 9:20 am ((PST))

( I was thinking of the split breasts for portions and to make it
easier for him at first. If I plunked a whole chicken in front of him,
he wouldn't know what to do.

Anna, Ram and Polly)

Hi Anna,

Just wanted to say that I started feeding my 3 year old Greyhound raw 6
months ago and he has never hesitated to eat anything! I wouldn't
assume Ram won't know what to do with a whole chicken. I started Max
with chicken halves and quarters his first week and he dug right in and
just crunched and munched. I still get a kick out of it now.

Leanne & Max

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6a. Re: Pork?
Posted by: "mozookpr" mozookpr@yahoo.com mozookpr
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 9:25 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "jordan_spiva" <jordan_spiva@...>
wrote:
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> The website I order from (Creston Valley Meats) Now sells 25lb
boxes of meaty pork bones
> for .50 cents.It's a great deal and i would like to know if my dog
will benefit from these. My
> vet told me raw pork has a lot of fat on it and should only be fed
as a snack. What are your
> opinions.?
>

I don't know anything about this website, but I do know that the fat
content of pork depends very much on the cuts you buy. Some of it is
quite lean due to market demand; the cheaper cuts tend to be
fattier. There is nothing wrong with dogs eating fat, although too
much too fast may give a newbie dog the runs. (Pork, BTW, is not
unique in this respect. My Sheltie had to have her chicken skinned
at the start.)

Cheers,

Wendy

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7a. Re: beef, pork and lamb...
Posted by: "Elizabeth" rainsou1@yahoo.com rainsou1
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 10:33 am ((PST))

Any thoughts?

-Liz

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7b. Re: beef, pork and lamb...
Posted by: "ekendahl" robert@ekendahl.org ekendahl
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 11:37 am ((PST))

I'm a complete beginner to this but it sounds fine to me. I've seen
other people who mainly feed venison to their dogs. My goal is to feed
a lot more red meat then poultry to my dogs once they are "schooled in".

If you can get pasture fed beef it would be good as the omega3 fatty
acids are almost as high as in salmon (I've been told).

If not I would maybe consider adding in fatty fish from time to time.

/Robert Ekendahl

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7c. Re: beef, pork and lamb...
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 11:37 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth" <rainsou1@...> wrote:
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> I've been considering simplifying my dog's diet to beef, pork and
> lamb.

Hi Liz,
After deer, my favorite things to feed are lamb, pork, and then beef.
Due to the cost of lamb and beef, i feed lots of heart when i feed
them because it is a good muscle meat and is relatively cheap. If
your dog doesn't do well on poultry, i wouldn't worry about it. The
only other thing that might be good to feed is goat, and though most
dogs like it, all three of mine think its only a tad better than no
food at all. Have you tried deer? KathyM

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8. Post Surgery
Posted by: "marieandthefuzzybunch" marie@hotlinkhr.com marieandthefuzzybunch
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 11:36 am ((PST))

My daughter's two year old mini poodle, Pataruski, got into and ate raw
yeast dough which led to severe bloat and he had emergency surgery two
nights ago to remove a mass of dough from his stomach. He will be
coming home from the vet hospital tomorrow. He has been eating raw for
several months without any problems and eats a good variety. Should
his raw diet be modified for easier digestion? I'm thinking steer
clear of edible bones for a little while? I think I have gathered from
the posts that chicken is the easiest to digest. Should I stick to
that for a few days? What is recommended for post abdominal surgery?
Thanks for your help. Marie

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9. Portion size for Mastiffs
Posted by: "A." ols@charter.net cesare.1920
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 11:37 am ((PST))

I was wondering about how many pounds you rawfeeders with Mastiffs (or
other giant breeds) are feeding a day? How old are they and how much
do they weigh too?

I am still adjusting what I am feeding my girls & finding the best for
each and was curious how close I am to others :)

~Amanda

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10a. Question about "sawdust" scraps from butchers
Posted by: "A." ols@charter.net cesare.1920
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 11:37 am ((PST))

I can get tons of what they call "sawdust" scraps for very cheap from
our local meat processing plant. It is a bunch of everything from
bones, organs, meats, whatever else comes off the saws there. I don't
know what % of what is in the mixture and I was wondering if I should
be careful feeding this? I don't want to give to much bone but should
I even be worried about this?

~Amanda

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10b. Re: Question about "sawdust" scraps from butchers
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 12:46 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "A." <ols@...> wrote:
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> I can get tons of what they call "sawdust" scraps for very cheap from
> our local meat processing plant.

Hi Amanda,
Personally, i don't feed sawdust scraps. Aside from not knowing what
you are actually feeding, i think the biggest drawback to feeding them
is the size, or the lack of it. Its not much better than ground meat
and feeding foods like this defeat one important aspect of feeding
raw, the dental cleaning of large hunks of meat. Since you have
spoken to a processor, is there any chance that you can get the trim
from meat or the heads or the legs or the ribs? Will they let you
surf through the barrels yourself so you can take what you want? KathyM

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11. Feeding raw egg to new puppy
Posted by: "Bill & Jan Pace" bija@verizon.net wtpace44
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 11:37 am ((PST))

I have started an 8 week old puppy (Wire Fox Terrier) on a raw diet. For my older dogs, I like to give them a whole, raw egg about once a week and they seem to really enjoy it.

Can I give raw egg to the new puppy or should I wait until she is older? If I should wait, when is a good time to introduce the egg?

Jan Pace

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12. woohoo great buy found
Posted by: "gsdlvr62@aol.com" gsdlvr62@aol.com funhorses62
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 11:37 am ((PST))

My 2 GSDs are fed mainly chicken quarters that i get cheap at
walmart....i am always looking for buys under a dollar a pound for other types of meat
but have not had much luck .Today i hit the jackpot.....My local Giant Eagle
has pork spare ribs on sale for 99 cents a pound....i bought 20 pounds and
would of bought more had i the money.I asked how long they were gonna be on
sale and was told till gone....theyre left over from new years,...they only
had about 2 cases left. These are nice meaty spare ribs.....almost a shame to
give them to the dogs instead of humans LOL....but my guys deserve a nice
treat... so for next 4-5 days spareribs it is.So make sure and check out those
grocery store meat depts now.

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13a. Re: Help! Only tolerates chicken qtrs.
Posted by: "steven muse" musesteven@yahoo.com musesteven
Date: Sun Jan 6, 2008 12:46 pm ((PST))

I'm no vet, put I have been feeding RAW for a cuple of years and I would recommend that you you use the KISS (keep it simple- well you know ). If he likes and tolerates chicken 1/4, then chicken 1/4 it is. Is that an optimal diet? No, but still 100% better than kibble. My only recomendation would be to add a liquid dog vitamin / supplement (K-9 red cell) by injecting it into the thigh posrtion of the 1/4 the day before you feed it w/ a fried turkey flavor injector. I've used this method w/ success w/ dogs that w/ only eat chicken. I inject each prior to freezing it, that way all I have to do is taw and feed. hope this helps.

w. va . steve

riceaide <riceaide@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Hi,
My dog (8 1/2 y/o possibly GSD mix, ~75lbs)has suffered from
gastritis for many years. In April she got sick from recalled
kibble, and I began cooking all her food. Brown rice, chicken,
vitamins, carrots, bone meal powder. She was okay for a while, but a
few months ago began having VERY loose stools. I had raw feeders
reccommend I stop the brown rice, so I started giving potatoes, and
her diarrhea cleared up. I tried raw chicken quarters, and the first
night I was woken by her vomiting. The following days she had blood
in her stools, followed by bloody diarrhea, and finally just passing
drips of blood. I had seen this before, and knew it was her
gastritis. Another raw feeder suggested trying enyzmes. I have done
so for a few weeks, and she gradually got to the point of eating
almost exclusively raw chicken quarters with little problem. I cut
out the potatoes, and added salmon oil. So, now, thinking variety
is good, I tried a tiny amount of raw beef. She has never done well
on kibble with any protein source other than chicken, but I hoped
the actual meat would have different results. The day following the
little bit of beef: bloody diarrhea. A few days later, I tried an
even smaller amount of beef (fat trimmed both times): bloody
diarrhea. Okay, I think the beef does not agree with her. I've also
tried chicken livers. Admittedly, I'm not sure how much is
the "right" amount. I tried a half of a raw chicken liver 1 day.
Seemed okay. I'm trying to get her to put on a little weight, so
tried a whole chicken liver a couple days ago. SHe woke me up that
night to run outside with diarrhea, which progressed to bloody
diarrhea, and the next day more diarrhea AND vomiting bile.
Okay, fasted her a day to calm stomach. Gave cooked chicken and
potatoes today (which experience has shown to help her gastritis
symptoms). Now what??? She could eat cooked livers in the past.
What's up with the raw? What about other protein sources? She was
so miserable the past few days. First the beedf than the liver.
Poor her! I hate seeing her sad, but can she do okay on nothing but
raw chicken quarters (with little bits of weird organ -like
attachments) and salmon oil? That doesn't seem right.
Sorry for the long post, but I'm not sure how to proceed....

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