[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12469

There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Horse Turds
From: pamela993748
1b. Re: Horse Turds
From: Yasuko herron

2a. Re: Recent Vet Visit
From: Howard Salob

3a. Re: I got TONS of free meat!!
From: homesforallpets
3b. Re: I got TONS of free meat!!
From: eventer2001

4a. Re: Tip to those with tight budgets
From: homesforallpets
4b. Re: Tip to those with tight budgets
From: cidny61

5a. Re: beef, pork and lamb...
From: Elizabeth

6a. Ooops...My intro!
From: gypsyjazmine

7a. Re: Future newbee in training
From: shantith38

8a. Re: Portion size for Mastiffs
From: esmolensky

9. Re: feeding a puppy concern
From: Michael Moore

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1a. Re: Horse Turds
Posted by: "pamela993748" pamduthie@btinternet.com pamela993748
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 3:26 am ((PST))

I believe that horse wormer (which is in the poo for 3 days after
worming the horse) is toxic to collie types so keep an eye out if your
dog has collie in them

Pam (and Ben)

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1b. Re: Horse Turds
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 5:57 am ((PST))

>I started to feed RAW that horse or cow turds is great for dogs.

Read the book " Raw Meaty Bone" by Tom landole and it says steamy horse and cow poo is ok,and catpoo is well saught after by dog.

yassy

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2a. Re: Recent Vet Visit
Posted by: "Howard Salob" itiskismet1968@yahoo.com itiskismet1968
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 3:26 am ((PST))

Dear Tammy,

I am a doctor and you are 100% right in your statement- they help and do not harm- especially with the source of meat most people give out.

Sincerely,

Howard

tammyco5@aol.com wrote:

I disagree with this. Probiotics do much more than just aid with digestion,
but does a very good job with this! Yeast is a fungus, (bad bacteria), and
probiotics are strains of good bacteria. You need to replace the bad bacteria
with the good. If your dog has ever been on one dose of antibiotics which
kills the good bacteria, you should give him probiotics. This vet is right to put
your dog on probiotics for the yeast in the ears or anywhere else in the
body. Just cleaning the ears externally is not going to kill the yeast
internally. Dogs that chew on their nails and between their feet most likely have
yeast there. It definitely will not hurt any animal to be on probiotics for
life. They're eating animals that have been given antibiotics. Probiotics are a
must for humans. Google probiotics and what they do for us and our pets. They
also strengthen the immune system.

Tammy :-)

In a message dated 1/5/2008 7:07:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,
carnesw@bellsouth.net writes:

Gave me two things to give him: iFlora
> acidophilus. Said he had to have this to get yeast under control.

She's full of it. Acidophilus is a probiotic. It supposedly aids
digestion and has no connecton to yeast infection in the ears. I
have serious doubts about it having any effect on dogs at all.

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3a. Re: I got TONS of free meat!!
Posted by: "homesforallpets" homesforallpets@yahoo.com homesforallpets
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 3:26 am ((PST))

>
> I didn't know you couldn't ask for meat. I haven't got any rude
> responses yet but I have gotten quite a few offers for small
> amounts. Problem is they are to far to drive to still be worth it
> (craigslist doesn't have a city closer to me so I post in the
> surrounding).
>
> ~Amanda
>

Lucky! I bet you posted on Springfield's and not KCs. I posted on
KC's because every now and then I go out that way. The folks on the
KC list don't seem to be too nice. I'll start trying the Springfield
one.

Kathy in MO

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3b. Re: I got TONS of free meat!!
Posted by: "eventer2001" eventer2001@yahoo.com eventer2001
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 6:56 am ((PST))

I haven't gotten any hits from my CL posting, but I posted the same thing on Freecycle and was given 10 1# packages of deer meat and a 10# bag of chicken quarters. Had a couple people ask me what I was feeding, but never heard back from them after I told them. Certainly was not yelled at. I've also sent the same thing to all my local friends on email -- and was given some fish and a pound of deer meat.

I didn't mention feedign anything in the ad. just asked for any leftover uncooked meat (mentioned several types)... slightly freezer burnt or whatever... that people were getting rid of.

Tammy

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4a. Re: Tip to those with tight budgets
Posted by: "homesforallpets" homesforallpets@yahoo.com homesforallpets
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 3:26 am ((PST))

>
> You can buy chicken quarters at Walmart - 10 lb bag for $4.70. My
> stepdad gets food thru Angel Food and I think it's cheaper to buy at
> Walmart when you do a price per pound comparison. :)
>
> Heather
>

I know but when the monthly box has a bunch of meat my family won't
eat (beff and pork) and we can get that deal on boneless (even if it
has bone) breasts for us its a deal. They also have 3 other specials
all varying combos of meats. Like steaks. NICE steaks like New York
Strip. Each special is only $20.

Kathy in MO

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4b. Re: Tip to those with tight budgets
Posted by: "cidny61" blujack@verizon.net cidny61
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 5:57 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "homesforallpets"
<homesforallpets@...> wrote:
>
called Angel Food Ministries
> they do a monthly box deal and if you get the box you can get the
> monthly specials. This month's special is 20# of chicken breasts
> ( This could work out
> to help feed the people and the dogs! For $50 you get lots of food
> for both. I believe the website is angelfoodministries.com might
> be .net or .org
>
> Kathy in MO
>
Thanks for the tip. I have used Angel Food in the past but some how
got out of the habit. It is a great program. They have locations all
over. To find the one close to you, check the main web site.
Cindy A

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5a. Re: beef, pork and lamb...
Posted by: "Elizabeth" rainsou1@yahoo.com rainsou1
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 4:00 am ((PST))

Thanks, Yassy...
>
>
>
> > my dog gets gassy and itchy when she eats turkey and chicken,
>
> Check the label. Are they enhanced any ways like broth??

> No, I feed whole chickens that are plain. I even tear off all the
fat. The turkey I feed are these huge turkey necks that I buy
exclusively from a supplier for whole dog foods.
>
>
> >raw fish.
>
> Did you try quick searing method?

>No, but I feed everything frozen and in huge chunks, so it would be
rather hard for me to sear it. I don't think it would make a
difference. Normally when I feed her fish she just likes to roll in it
and bury it, haha.

> >nor can I acquire goat for a decent price,
>
> Sometimes, Asian store carry it I hear.Where do you live?

>I didn't even think to try an Asian market! Thank you for the tip,
because I live just a few blocks away from one that I have been
meaning to check out!
>
> >for elk and bison.
> I feed Elk and buffalo from Colorado... Are you interested?it is
at www.elkusa.com
>
>Ah, I have been to Elk USA before! I haven't actually browsed around
the site much, but I figured that since they were a ways away from me
it would be expensive to ship. It's an option. Thank you!

> I get pheasant whole from Hare today in PA too.
> > I didn't even know Hare today sold whole pheasants, so that's
excellent to know! I've tried several times to order duck from my
regular supplier, but they're always out, which is really quite
frustrating.

So, I need to check out the Asian market, go to Elk USA, and browse
around Hare today some more... Got it!
-Liz
>

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6a. Ooops...My intro!
Posted by: "gypsyjazmine" GYPSY_JAZMINE@MSN.COM gypsyjazmine
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 5:57 am ((PST))

Ty but I just moved from Eastern IA to Western IA...Go figure! lol!

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, h h <deedeekinsisme@...> wrote:

> Not sure where in IA you are, but there's a "BARF Iowa" group that
mainly has members from Des Moines and on East. Not the most active
list, but they can tell you where some of the "connections" can be
found. (just ignore the neck/back & veggie talk)
>
> Heidi on the other side of the Muddy Mo.
>
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7a. Re: Future newbee in training
Posted by: "shantith38" shantith38@yahoo.com shantith38
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 5:57 am ((PST))

So Sunday was trim and freeze for the people meats, and I couldn't
resist giving Ram some trim from the shoulder cartilidge (no skin,
very little fat) just to see how he would take it. HE LOVED IT!!!
After he got over the " you're teasing right?" he daintily took it and
scarfed it down before I could change my mind, and then came back to
see if his luck would hold. I think next weekend will be the switch.
I stopped his pepcid Saturday, so a week should be more than enough
for him to metabolize the rest out of his system. I don't want to
start him at a disadvantage, and I have pepto on hand in case we have
any crisies this week. I think I'm actually more excited tham Ram! I
can't wait to do do dog shopping the same place I people shop! Seems
more appropriate that way, not to mention loads more convenient!

Thanks so much, Let you know how it goes!

Anna Ram and Pol

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8a. Re: Portion size for Mastiffs
Posted by: "esmolensky" esmolensky@yahoo.com esmolensky
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 6:56 am ((PST))

I have 1 10 month old Boerboel and he weighs 110#. I try to feed him
4# a day. But he eats at around 3#.I feed him twice a day maybe until
he's over a year.

E & Reagan
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tdifr62" <tdifraia@...> wrote:
>
> So in a nutshell the 14 month old gets between 1 and 4 % of his body
> weight on a daily basis. Over time he gets about 2%.
>
> The 14 week old baby gets between 4 and 8 % on a daily basis, and over
> time Id say he gets 6% of his body weight.
> Good Luck, and dont ya JUST love the Mastiffs?
>
> Tommy D.
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Morledzep@ wrote:
> > In a message dated 1/6/2008 11:37:28 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> > ols@ writes:
> >
> > I was wondering about how many pounds you rawfeeders with Mastiffs
(or
> > other giant breeds) are feeding a day? How old are they and how much
> > do they weigh too?
> >
> >
> >
>

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9. Re: feeding a puppy concern
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Mon Jan 7, 2008 7:10 am ((PST))

>> I am new at feeding raw and I have 4 puppies. I was told that I needed to buy the pre-packaged raw in order to balance the meal for the puppies. I found that my puppies front legs started turning out when I was giving the chicken quarters. I wasnt sure how to balance their meals or if there was something I was doing wrong. I was giving more than just the chicken of course. I gave organ meat, green beans, yogurt, pumpkin, etc etc.<<

Mandy -- well, personally, I disagree 100% with the advice you were given, to start with. Nature has provided the perfect guide for feeding our dogs, and "balance" is an artificial term that kibble companies make tons of money off. Pre-pakaged raw may have lots of things you don't want your dogs to have -- along with its ridiculous price. Most folks here feed real food, straight from the store or butcher.
Dogs are carnivores. They need meat, bone, organs. Period. Green beans, yogurt, pumpkin, etc., etc. are unnecessary. I think your menu of chicken quarters was quite limited, but I fail to see how the connection was made that they were causing your puppies' front legs to turn out.
How old are your pups? My litter was weaned to raw, and at 8 wks. had no problems with venison. pork, beef heart, fish, turkey, lamb, or chicken. I started them on bone-in breasts, and moved quickly to other foods within a week or so. If your troop is a little older, you may need to go more slowly.

>>My biggest question and concern is how and what to feed my growing puppies. They are border collies and high energy. I have a hard time keeping weight on them so I would give beef often but when I did that I found they got the runs. Does anyone have any suggestions? <<

I understand your concern, truly, but it's so simple when you think about it. You feed growing puppies as you would an adult -- you may want to give more meals and you'll be giving more food, percentage-wise, than to an adult dog. I feed pups 4 times daily until four months of age, 3 times daily until 6 mos., 2 times until a year, then go to once a day feeding at a year of age.
Personally, BTW, I want my dogs (herding dogs, though not BCs) quite lean! It's healthier, and my dogs *do* lots of things -- agility, obedience, some herding-- etc. and they need to lean.
Chris O. has a young BC, so perhaps she can weigh in here, too.

-- Anne and the PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue

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