[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12378

There are 12 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1.1. green tripe
From: geraldinebutterfield
1.2. Re: green tripe
From: Giselle
1.3. Re: green tripe
From: carnesbill

2a. Feeding a small breed puppy raw diet?
From: tkayali1975
2b. Re: Feeding a small breed puppy raw diet?
From: Giselle
2c. Re: Feeding a small breed puppy raw diet?
From: Tanya Haroutiun

3a. Free Range Raw Feeding
From: Robert Katz
3b. Re: Free Range Raw Feeding
From: jennifer_hell

4a. Liver -- Is it too much copper?
From: robtkatz
4b. Re: Liver -- Is it too much copper?
From: carnesbill

5a. Re: not eating
From: jennifer_hell

6a. Re: meaty meat meals
From: marge

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1.1. green tripe
Posted by: "geraldinebutterfield" gbutterflied@comcast.net geraldinebutterfield
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:47 pm ((PST))

Does anyone know where I can find green trip in the Willamette Valley
of Oregon? I have called several places without success.

Thanks,
geraldine

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1.2. Re: green tripe
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:58 pm ((PST))

http://www.greentripe.com/

http://www.aplaceforpaws.com/rawgreenuntr.html

http://www.momofood.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=87

TC
Giselle

On Dec 14, 2007 11:25 PM, geraldinebutterfield <gbutterflied@comcast.net>
wrote:

> Does anyone know where I can find green trip in the Willamette Valley
> of Oregon? I have called several places without success.
>
> Thanks,
> geraldine
>
>
>

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1.3. Re: green tripe
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:14 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "geraldinebutterfield"
<gbutterflied@...> wrote:
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> Does anyone know where I can find green trip in the
> Willamette Valley of Oregon?

You will not be able to buy green tripe from any establishment that
sells food for human consumption. You can only buy it at slaghter
houses or from farmers that slaughter their own cattle and from places
on the internet that have already been listed.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2a. Feeding a small breed puppy raw diet?
Posted by: "tkayali1975" tkayali1975@yahoo.com tkayali1975
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:47 pm ((PST))

I am planning to get either a cavalier king charles spaniel or cavalier mix next spring and am
really interested in feeding raw. I was actually planning to cook for my new pup but the more
I read about raw, I think I may be going that route. It just makes sense! Now, I'm trying to
get everything together so I can take good care of my puppy from day #1 so where do I start
with what will be such a tiny puppy? Most of the info I've found on raw diets showed German
Shepards and Labs and Pit Bulls chewing on a leg of lamb or something. What about the little
guys? Should I get a meat grinder, I'd rather not since the dental benefits are one of the
perks I like about raw diet. Should I just throw a chicken leg in the bowl or also give some
veggies and rice? There is so much information and so much of it conflicts that my head is
swimming. Help me get this straight before the Spring :) Also, how long would stuff be
good frozen? When it gets closer to time I may start making up some food, or atleast
stocking a little meat :)

Tara

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2b. Re: Feeding a small breed puppy raw diet?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:12 pm ((PST))

Hi, Tara!
I recommend that you read as many posts on this list as you can
and search the archives. There are many new and experienced toy and small
dog raw feeders on this list who can help. Many subjects near and dear to
new-to-raw feeders come up repeatedly, often daily.

Some links to websites and an archived message to help you get started;

http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html

http://www.rawlearning.com/supplementmyths.html

http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

http://rawfeddogs.net/FAQlist

*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374 *

*post # 141374*

No grinders, no veggies, no grains! Not at all appropriate.

Forget the bowl, you'll more than likely want to feed on a small rug, towel
or mat.

You can keep raw food in a freezer for quite a long time, and can feed it
even if if gets freezer burnt. It will lose some nutrients, but dogs don't
care and it won't hurt them.

TC

Giselle

with Bea in New Jersey
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On Dec 14, 2007 11:40 PM, tkayali1975 <tkayali1975@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am planning to get either a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel or Cavalier
> mix next spring and am
> really interested in feeding raw.
>

> <snip>
>

> so where do I start
> with what will be such a tiny puppy?
>

> <snip>
>

> Help me get this straight before the Spring :) Also, how long would stuff
> be
> good frozen? When it gets closer to time I may start making up some food,
> or at least
> stocking a little meat :)
>
> Tara
>
>

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2c. Re: Feeding a small breed puppy raw diet?
Posted by: "Tanya Haroutiun" tanya.haroutiun@yahoo.com tanya.haroutiun
Date: Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:06 am ((PST))

Hi Tara,
I'm new to raw feeding so I'm no expert and I don't have all the answers (but like someone mentioned, there's heaps of info in the archives). I do have a 13 week-old Cavalier King Charles pup though who's been eating raw for one week now and I can assure you that he might look tiny, but he has no problem eating bones. At first, I felt the same way you did and I was concerned about just tossing him a chicken leg or wing or whatever, but then I just did it and I was amazed to see him go for it and eat the whole thing. I started him on a wings to see how he'd go, and when that went fine, gave him a drumstick - and that was fine too! So now, I'm working on varying the meats and I've started adding organs with no issues. I don't give my dog any grains because they don't agree with him (he had a very sensitive stomach on kibble) and I just don't think it's healthy, but I do give him a little bit of veggies because he loves them - they're not necessary but
they're not harmful either. I also agree not to bother with the bowl because he'll just pick up the meat and put it down somewhere to eat it - best to lay down a towel/blanket and teach him to eat on that. Anyway, I just wanted to share my early experience with you to encourage you not to worry about starting your pup on raw. He may never be able to eat some of the bones from the bigger animals the way a large dog would, but that's just fine - he can still enjoy a raw diet. Good luck!

Tanya

I am planning to get either a cavalier king charles spaniel or cavalier mix next spring and am

really interested in feeding raw... so where do I start

with what will be such a tiny puppy?

Tara

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3a. Free Range Raw Feeding
Posted by: "Robert Katz" robtkatz@gmail.com rak2291
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:48 pm ((PST))

Can we do better than just Raw Feeding? Predators in the wild ate
range free prey. The meat composition of range free fowl or beef or
rabbit is quite different from farm raised, antibiotic and grain fed
chickens. So how much better would it be to feed the fellows range
free meats? One thing for sure, it'll be much more expensive.

--
Regards,

---Robert

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3b. Re: Free Range Raw Feeding
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:06 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Katz" <robtkatz@...> wrote:
So how much better would it be to feed the fellows range
> free meats?
>
Well, if you feed free range/ grass fed (like, never been in a feed
lot) cattle for example, you don't need to balance the Omega-6/Omega-3
ratio with salmon oil like you need to when feeding cattle that was
fed grain. Similar applies for eggs and poultry.
Some info:
http://www.leopold.iastate.edu/research/grants/2007/2006-M01.pdf
http://www.csuchico.edu/agr/grassfedbeef/research/lipid/index.html

More info, also on different meat, comes up when you google. =)

Jennifer

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4a. Liver -- Is it too much copper?
Posted by: "robtkatz" robtkatz@gmail.com robtkatz
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:48 pm ((PST))

Copper toxicosis effects several breeds. Liver and organ meats have a
high copper content. How careful must we be in feeding the fellows liver?

--
Regards,

---Robert

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4b. Re: Liver -- Is it too much copper?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:06 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "robtkatz" <robtkatz@...> wrote:
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> Copper toxicosis effects several breeds. Liver and organ meats have a
> high copper content. How careful must we be in feeding the
> fellows liver?

Don't give it a second thought. Liver should be a small portion of
the diet anyway.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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5a. Re: not eating
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:06 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "hanson_jenlynn"
<hanson_jenlynn@...> wrote:
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> MODERATORS NOTE:SIGN YOUR MAILS!!!
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> i have been feeding my dog raw for about 2 1/2months now and she has
> been loving it. however she recently has decided that she won't eat her
> raw chicken.

Because I have chicken in my freezer, my girl has to eat it once a
week. What works for us is giving it to her. She doesn't start eating-
take away again. Offer half an hour to an hour later again. Usually
she eats it when I offer it for the third time (she seems to need the
first two times to make sure there is reeeally no beef, salmon,
venison around, lol!!).
She's asking me for other meat, and I just show her that there is
none. If I'm not in the mood for that, I just wait until later in the
evening and feed her then (by that time she's too hungry to discuss
options, heh!). I cannot take it away and offer again the next day,
because she has a reflux problem. I might proceed differently with a
different dog. I think I would offer twice, then take away for the
next day.
And my girl was just the same as yours- as long as she didn't know
there was anything better than chicken, she thought it tasted quite
good. LOL!!

Jennifer

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6a. Re: meaty meat meals
Posted by: "marge" marge_moriarty17551@yahoo.com marge_moriarty17551
Date: Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:38 am ((PST))

Honestly, I would just get some whole chickens. If you are just
> buying chickens from the grocery, you can find chickens for around
> $1.19 a pound or less in the midwest. I'd buy whole chickens and feed
> them whole or cut them up a bit if necessary for feeding.

Jamie,

I am entering day four..no diarreah, some loose, some constipation (got
two dogs). I fed some boneless chicken thigh this morning. I will save
bone for later. about your suggestion for buying the whole chicken. The
individual pieces I buy are bigger than their daily need and need
hacking in half. I am doing two feedings a day until they are set.
each feeding about three ounces. It just seems hard to get pieces
small enough. When it is small enough it sure doesn't seem like much
food. Are the whole fryers smaller than the individual parts I have
been buying? I definitely need a small kitchen scale until I can
eyeball it.

I do need to say that even in the three days my dog's breath is so much
better! Pepper has severe allergy to something..always scratching self
bloddy on chin and neck. His coat is dull and unhealthy, eyes always
need goop cleaned out and he has chronic ear infections that need
constant managing. I am praying this diet helps with some of this, he
is miserable and has been since we rescued them in 2006.

Thanks to all for the great support. I read the archives regularly but
it is great to have the live support too.

Marge

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