[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12375

There are 24 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Boo's $2500 surgery for stones
From: Jai
1b. Re: Boo's $2500 surgery for stones
From: cypressbunny
1c. Re: Boo's $2500 surgery for stones
From: Jai

2a. Dinky update
From: Cathy Richmond
2b. Re: Dinky update
From: recyclerat@aol.com
2c. Re: Dinky update
From: Giselle
2d. Re: Dinky update
From: Cathy
2e. Re: Dinky update
From: Cathy

3.1. Re: fish oil
From: ginny wilken

4a. Re: Re-freezing
From: Sai Simonson
4b. Re: Re-freezing
From: Sandee Lee

5a. Re: behavior, raw or not
From: Sai Simonson
5b. Re: behavior, raw or not
From: Giselle

6a. Re: Goat Meat Crisis resolved!
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

7a. Re: New & I did it!
From: Karen Ditton

8a. Re: 2nd type of 'Agression"
From: Karen Ditton
8b. Re: 2nd type of 'Agression"
From: Cathy

9. How long is "too long"
From: Michelle R

10a. Re: I have Cresteds too!
From: Michelle R

11a. Re: meaty meat meals
From: marge
11b. Re: meaty meat meals
From: katkellm

12a. Feeding too much causing vomiting?
From: adkjoe17
12b. Re: Feeding too much causing vomiting?
From: Chia

13a. Re: New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
From: blue eyed

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1a. Re: Boo's $2500 surgery for stones
Posted by: "Jai" jredwing@windstream.net onesupercat
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:48 pm ((PST))

Thanks for your suggestions and information. I can use all I can get on
both fronts. He is such a love dog, just wants to get in my pocket, at
60#'s. LOL I raised him and his 3 siblings from 3 1/2 weeks when their Mom
got milk fever trying to feed 11. She was barely over a year old too, my
neighbors dog.
Thanks again,
Jai...>^.^<...

Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] Boo's $2500 surgery for stones

> Jai,
>
> Gosh, sounds awful. Glad he survived this and is doing ok now!
>
> It is my understanding that the stones form when the urine is concentrated

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1b. Re: Boo's $2500 surgery for stones
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:53 pm ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Jai" <jredwing@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your suggestions and information.

*** I agree with Sandee. Low protein is not the answer. Controlling
purines is a help. Salting the water, or offering diluted milk or broth
or anything that will encourage him to drink more might help. Vets
recommend various things to try to control urates in dals, but bottom
line, their efforts don't have a very high success rate. This is a
metabolic disorder that owners of susceptible dals just have to manage
as best they can.

*** Oh, I just noticed that I wrote both posts Sandee gave you, so I
guess we already know that I agree with her!

--Carrie

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1c. Re: Boo's $2500 surgery for stones
Posted by: "Jai" jredwing@windstream.net onesupercat
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:13 pm ((PST))

Thanks Carrie, I appreciate this post and the others also.
I need all the info I can find.
Jai...>^.^<...'

From: "cypressbunny" <cypressbunny@yahoo.com>
> *** I agree with Sandee. Low protein is not the answer. Controlling
> purines is a help. Salting the water, or offering diluted milk or broth

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2a. Dinky update
Posted by: "Cathy Richmond" batcathy@sbcglobal.net batcathy2002
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:48 pm ((PST))

When i got home tonight a message from vet- tests both came back normal
for EPI & Pancreitis. He said hes off on vacation but we can pursue it
more when he gets back. So now i am stumped.....any ideas?
She is doing much better on the meat,no fat/skin and limited bone & she
actually feels heavier to me. I am giving her the digestive enzymes
daily but bifidophilus only when she had the runs...should i use it
daily also? I just dont know where to go next. Thanks-
Cathy

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2b. Re: Dinky update
Posted by: "recyclerat@aol.com" recyclerat@aol.com syrusmommy
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:02 pm ((PST))

Cathy..i've been horrible a/b keeping up with messages, so i really dont
have a clue whats going on with your Dinky...but if its the trots going
on...have you tried Giselle's remedy?? of the fasting for 12 to 24 hours and giving
the Slipper Elm supp. every few hours while you fast her/him? my dog had
MAJOR issues..blowing/spraying/spewing liquid poop like a pressure washer out
of his butt. i did as Giselle instructed and it saved the day --

.heather.

When i got home tonight a message from vet- tests both came back normal
for EPI & Pancreitis. He said hes off on vacation but we can pursue it
more when he gets back. So now i am stumped.....more w
She is doing much better on the meat,no fat/skin and limited bone & she
actually feels heavier to me. I am giving her the digestive enzymes
daily but bifidophilus only when she had the runs...should i use it
daily also? I just dont know where to go next. Thanks-
Cathy

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2c. Re: Dinky update
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:28 pm ((PST))

Hi, Cathy!
If the vet can rule out EPI and pancreatitis, then its more
than likely IBD/IBS, imo.

Aside from feeding small frequent meals, and trimming fat and skin to bowel
tolerance, tweaking the diet daily to manage how much bone/meat/organ she
does best on, weeding out as many stressors in her daily life as possible
and giving the SEBP on a semi-regular basis to reduce irritation and
inflammation, I don't know of a permanent 'cure' or medication for the
problem.

I've used probiotics and digestive enzymes in small doses to pretty good
effect.

You want to use products that have digestive enzymes that break down meat
and fat;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestive_enzyme
Probiotics may help;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probiotic

I'd suggest that you change brands periodically also.

Have you thought about feeding whole prey?

http://www.rodentpro.com/products.asp
http://www.prey4pets.com/servlet/StoreFront

HTH
TC
Giselle

On Dec 13, 2007 8:47 PM, Cathy Richmond <batcathy@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> When I got home tonight a message from vet- tests both came back normal
> for EPI & Pancreatitis. He said hes off on vacation but we can pursue it
> more when he gets back. So now i am stumped.....any ideas?
> She is doing much better on the meat, no fat/skin and limited bone & she
> actually feels heavier to me. I am giving her the digestive enzymes
> daily but bifidophilus only when she had the runs...should I use it
> daily also? I just don't know where to go next. Thanks-
> Cathy
>
>
>
>

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2d. Re: Dinky update
Posted by: "Cathy" batcathy@sbcglobal.net batcathy2002
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:25 am ((PST))

Thanks Heather- Dink will go fine for a few weeks & relapse into stomach pain- hunch down, cry, refuse food & than have runs....about every 8-10 weeks so a few people suggested she be checked for epi & panc. as this is reaccuring event. Yes I have used the SE and it helps. She does a self fast too. I was worried as my vet was not concerned and would just med her...so we went elsewhere. Now I am back to square one!

Cathy

C Richmond
Lesmar's CC
Battle Creek, Mi.

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2e. Re: Dinky update
Posted by: "Cathy" batcathy@sbcglobal.net batcathy2002
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:29 am ((PST))

Hi Giselle- thanks for the links. I know what SE is but what is SEBP? I am beginning to think IBD too...as she does well than bam it's back. I have been feeding just the chicken/turkey breast without skin and a bit a mackeral on occassion last 3 weeks....and i have always fed her 2 small meals as that is her pattern. She had about a tablespoon of beef heart 3 days ago and wanted more.....yesterday she refused the breast as the rest were getting leg combos so i gave her a skinless leg and she was in heaven...she left some bone than had breast meat last night. So far in the last month her stool has firmed but soft and only once did i have to use the se.
How often should i give the probotics? Is this something she should have daily or only as needed? I am not sure what vet meant by checking further (answer macines are frustrating)......how do they test for IBD ?
Thanks again-
Cathy

C Richmond
Battle Creek, MI

www.lesmarcresteds.com

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3.1. Re: fish oil
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:53 pm ((PST))

On Dec 13, 2007, at 2:26 PM, spricketysprock wrote:

> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Jess,
>>
>> This screams "get a thyroid test" to me. Make sure it's a full
>> panel.
>
> haha Oh boy, not that again. I brought my dog in for $300 worth of
> blood tests; everything came out beautifully. Unfortunately I don't
> think it was the "full panel" you all recommend... even though I
> specified it. grr. He'll have to wait another few months for me to
> cough up the dough... (he is also approaching 11 yrs).

Understood, but.... A proper diagnosis of hypothyroid can help him
tremendously. Everything in the body, healing response, metabolism,
etc, is tied to thyroid levels. And the common insults dogs suffer do
predispose to development of thyroid issues. If not now, then when,
for him? You can get the test done through Jean Dodds/Antech for less
than $100; I haven't checked lately. Please don't delay any longer
than you need to, as it could make a big difference in his quality of
life.

ginny and Tomo, both hypo

All stunts performed without a net!

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4a. Re: Re-freezing
Posted by: "Sai Simonson" saiczarina@comcast.net keikokat
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:02 pm ((PST))

I take it refreezing thawed stuff does not destroy the value of the
meat/bones?

Sai (who got 20 lbs of frozen turkey necks and giblets ....carefully
thawing them in the house where the dogs are not)

Re: Thawed out deer bones on porch
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:54 pm (PST)
"Susanne MacLeod" <suzmacleod@...> wrote:
>
it was
> thawing, but tonight it should freeze back up again....the meat won't
> go bad will it?
*****
Probably not in your lifetime.
At least not so your dogs would notice.
Chris O
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4b. Re: Re-freezing
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:24 pm ((PST))

No problem thawing and refreezing. Turkey necks can be peeled apart when
still quite frozen.

The challenge in feeding turkey necks comes when you have to purchase a
bunch of meat to offset the bone content.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Sai Simonson" <saiczarina@comcast.net>

> I take it refreezing thawed stuff does not destroy the value of the
> meat/bones?
>
> Sai (who got 20 lbs of frozen turkey necks and giblets ....carefully
> thawing them in the house where the dogs are not)

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5a. Re: behavior, raw or not
Posted by: "Sai Simonson" saiczarina@comcast.net keikokat
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:12 pm ((PST))

Yes, Giselle,
We were on the street where we live and this particular dog has been
annoying us from the fenced yard since the dogs came. Perhaps the
protectiveness stems more from Lexi feeling really good on the all raw
diet. I have not seen him act this way before, but then maybe he did
not feel all that challenged in the past? Hard to tell but Lexi does
feel really good!!! A neighborhood cat was in the dogs' yard earlier
today. Lexi went straightaway to greet the cat wagging his tail
furiously. I had to hold Tasha as she is a chaser. Bootsie and Lexi
had a nice interaction, then Tasha charged up and the cat swore and
hissed enough to put Tasha in her place. Tasha will only go after
something that runs away.

Sai

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Also, was this on, or very close to, your 'home territory', where you and
your dogs all walk frequently?

Its not about the raw, its about innate protectiveness and canine ability
and perceptiveness. I think it was about the nature and the situation of the
threat, not that your dogs are now raw fed.

TC
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5b. Re: behavior, raw or not
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:45 pm ((PST))

There ya go...... ^_^

Giselle

On Dec 13, 2007 9:04 PM, Sai Simonson <saiczarina@comcast.net> wrote:

> Yes, Giselle,
> We were on the street where we live and ~~~~this particular dog has been
> annoying us from the fenced yard since the dogs came.~~~~
>

> Perhaps the
> protectiveness stems more from Lexi feeling really good on the all raw
> diet. I have not seen him act this way before, but then maybe he did
> not feel all that challenged in the past? Hard to tell but Lexi does
> feel really good!!! A neighborhood cat was in the dogs' yard earlier
> today. Lexi went straightaway to greet the cat wagging his tail
> furiously. <snip>
>
> Sai
>
>
>

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6a. Re: Goat Meat Crisis resolved!
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:12 pm ((PST))

Hey, no need to feel silly, I gutted my first chicken this year, a deer and even well, we won't go there and boy was that stuff ripe! So good to hear it is now going great. And everything is better when it's marinated:)
Jeni

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7a. Re: New & I did it!
Posted by: "Karen Ditton" karenditton@urassociation.com karenditton
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:58 pm ((PST))

Marge wrote:

>I finally took the plunge today and fed my
>two mini poodles (ages 8 and 10) a chicken back. I only split one
>between the two. Now I am terrified at what will happen. I am worried
>I should have removed the skin..that they will get sick, etc.

Good for you Marge! I'm glad that I'm not the only one that felt so
unnerved!

I can tell you my two are doing great! Today was our third day. The weight
between my two dogs works out just right for a smaller whole chicken each
day. So that's what we're feeding for now. So far we haven't had any soft
stools at all! The really nice thing is my older guy who always has picked
at his food seems really pleased and eats enthusiastically! I swear I could
give him twice as much and he'd eat it all. I won't because I'm trying not
to push his system too fast, but it's nice that he WANTS to eat!

I can tell you it's already less scary by the third day. I'm already
thinking ahead to variety and things like that! :-)

Karen

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8a. Re: 2nd type of 'Agression"
Posted by: "Karen Ditton" karenditton@urassociation.com karenditton
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:59 pm ((PST))

I must say that I've definitely experienced an increase in aggression and
it's only our third day!!!

Tonight as we were driving home I spotted a deer right at the edge of the
road and said "deer" to alert my husband. He saw it and slowed as we passed
it. I then said "You missed! That was a lot of food!!!"

Anyone who knows me would know that I'm not usually the sort to think of a
deer as anything other than a cute little Bambi, so I can definitely say
that was an increase in aggression! ;-)

But seriously, I have been thinking a lot about how I will be able to
provide a good variety!

Karen

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8b. Re: 2nd type of 'Agression"
Posted by: "Cathy" batcathy@sbcglobal.net batcathy2002
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:07 am ((PST))

LOL- sounds like me. Now when they come into the yard to snope around I wish they were in the freezer!
Cathy

C Richmond
Battle Creek, MI

www.lesmarcresteds.com

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9. How long is "too long"
Posted by: "Michelle R" crested_dog8@yahoo.com crested_dog8
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:37 pm ((PST))

Been seeing lots of stuff about "marinating" meat outside. About folks leaving meat outside on the porch and having it freeze and thaw with the weather. I have 2 deer legs....most meat is gone by now, but the dogs still chomp and drag them around like prizes when they are out. Legs have been out for 2 and 3 days. I know they can be out waaaaay longer and still be ok for dogs than people, I am just wondering how long is "too long"...how do you know? Should I just chuck them when they seem to lose interest and not before? What if they keep at them for weeks? Whats the consensus on this from you long time folks?

Michelle Radcliff
Mengshi Chinese Cresteds
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10a. Re: I have Cresteds too!
Posted by: "Michelle R" crested_dog8@yahoo.com crested_dog8
Date: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:38 pm ((PST))

Sorry, that was to have gone privately..sorry listers to have bothered anyone with my ramblings!

Michelle Radcliff
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11a. Re: meaty meat meals
Posted by: "marge" marge_moriarty17551@yahoo.com marge_moriarty17551
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:53 am ((PST))

"Jamie is right.. BUT.. remember that only a very small portion of the
overall
diet needs to be edible bone. And pork bones are entirely edible for
all but
the very tiniest dogs".
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Since I am only on my second day of the switch to RMB I do not expect
to get all my answers at once..However, I am a little confused. I want
to be sure I am on the right track. I was going to keep the boys (mini
poodles) on chicken backs and wings or thighs for a couple of weeks
initially. Is this going to be too much bone for them? I see some say
you don't need bone every day. Should I be using boneless chicken
breast or ground chicken? Thanks in advance!

Marge Moriarty
Pennsylvania

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11b. Re: meaty meat meals
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:56 am ((PST))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "marge" <marge_moriarty17551@...>
wrote:
I was going to keep the boys (mini
> poodles) on chicken backs and wings or thighs for a couple of weeks
> initially. Is this going to be too much bone for them?

Hi Marge,
If your dogs experience no loose stools, not to be confused with
diarrhea where you think bacteria and illness, just the kind of stools
that are incurred by some dogs with the body adjusting to digesting
some new proteins, a couple of weeks is probably longer than you need
to stick with one protein. After the first week, i would introduce a
new meat. Chicken for a week is not too much bone for a new dog.
Forever, its too much bone, but balance is achieved over time and the
what you should do now is not necessarily the what you should/will do
forever. Backs and wings are the boniest of the pieces of chicken, so
my recommendation would be to use more breasts, or thighs, or
drumsticks.

> I see some say
> you don't need bone every day. Should I be using boneless chicken
> breast or ground chicken?

In the long haul of raw feeding you don't need to feed bone everyday
or with every meal. 10% of the diet just ain't a lot of bone, but in
the first few weeks of raw feeding you can use the extra bone since
bone firms up stools. Again, the what you should do now in the
introduction phase is a little different than the forever of raw
feeding. If your dogs seem to get constipated, you can
feed a little boneless chicken because meat will loosen things up. I
wouldn't use ground meat. Let your dogs' teeth do the grinding. HTH,
KathyM

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12a. Feeding too much causing vomiting?
Posted by: "adkjoe17" j2dope17@yahoo.com adkjoe17
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:07 am ((PST))

Is it possible that If i feed to much at one sitting, 2-3 hours later
they could vomit up a lot of there meal still pretty whole and un-
digested? I gave Sonya a half of a whole chicken which was probably
almost 2 pounds. She is a 12 week old siberian. I meant to let her
go to town on it for a bit then take it away for feeding later but I
forgot and she ate the whole thing. A couple hours later, about 3
hours actually she puked a lot of it up still whole. She has never
puked from eating chicken or raw before. Could it be she ate to much
at one sitting?? thanks!

Joe

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12b. Re: Feeding too much causing vomiting?
Posted by: "Chia" chia.m@shaw.ca cia22m
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:15 am ((PST))

Is it possible that If i feed to much at one sitting, 2-3 hours later
they could vomit up a lot of there meal still pretty whole and un-
digested? I gave Sonya a half of a whole chicken which was probably
almost 2 pounds. She is a 12 week old siberian. I meant to let her
go to town on it for a bit then take it away for feeding later but I
forgot and she ate the whole thing. A couple hours later, about 3
hours actually she puked a lot of it up still whole. She has never
puked from eating chicken or raw before. Could it be she ate to much
at one sitting?? thanks!

##### no worries...she could have even gobbled it too fast...my boy did
that once a long time ago and luckily, hr re-ate it, it was pretty much
undigested just mashed up looking. Lovely the things we endure sometimes..
;-))

Chia & Ricco
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13a. Re: New raw feeder with concerns about cleanliness
Posted by: "blue eyed" eyed_blue@yahoo.co.uk eyed_blue
Date: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:43 am ((PST))

I have to admit that I think there sometimes is a need to 'clean them up' with baby wipes when they are raw fed as opposed to kibble, simply because my dog would go about stinking of meat and with fat from parts of lamb etc still on his pads, jump on sofa, rub his dirty face all over me, sofa, floor etc in order to clean himself up.

I think raw meat is brilliant for dogs and I am by no means a clean freak, but really I want him to eat like a dog, but his raw meat/offal etc are not necessarilly whats good for me (when the remains are spread all over the house! ie fatty paw prints).
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