[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11987

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: bully sticks (was: where to feed dogs)
From: esmolensky

2a. OT but funny: Was Bully Sticks
From: Shannon Parker

3a. Hello I am new here..cutting up food
From: Shannon Parker

4a. Re: Hi,
From: geraldinebutterfield

5a. Having trouble with drumsticks
From: kalina82
5b. Re: Having trouble with drumsticks
From: Yasuko herron
5c. Re: Having trouble with drumsticks
From: Sandee Lee
5d. Re: Having trouble with drumsticks
From: kalina82
5e. Re: Having trouble with drumsticks
From: kalina82

6a. switching proteins..
From: Louisa
6b. Re: switching proteins..
From: Laurie Swanson
6c. Re: switching proteins..
From: costrowski75

7a. Re: Teeth revisted
From: mikkeny

8a. Re: Help! Sick pup
From: mikkeny
8b. Re: Help! Sick pup
From: Yasuko herron

9.1. Re: Ox tail and Cow hooves from Hare today in PA(Re: gnaw-worthy bon
From: Yasuko herron

10.1. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
From: pelirojita
10.2. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
From: Yasuko herron

11a. Re: This vegetarian met her match in a turkey! Help!
From: pelirojita
11b. Re: This vegetarian met her match in a turkey! Help!
From: tottime47

12a. Grinding Tripe
From: Todd Berman
12b. Re: Grinding Tripe
From: Renate Hotchkiss

13a. Re: leftover duck neck
From: costrowski75
13b. Re: leftover duck neck
From: S.R. Sudekum

14. Mocha's Passing
From: beaulah_2001us

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1a. Re: bully sticks (was: where to feed dogs)
Posted by: "esmolensky" esmolensky@yahoo.com esmolensky
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 7:09 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@...>
wrote:
>
> Well, they chew on them--eventually ingesting them, but they last
> awhile... I give my Boston the 36" ones and let him have it over
> several days or a couple weeks (taking it away so he doesn't "eat"
too
> much at once).

I might of missed what type of dog you have, I have a BB and I give
him 12" stick about 1/2-3/4" thick and he destroys it in 10 minutes.
Try to get thick ones. PETCENTERDIRECT.COM has cheap bullysticks.

> Rocky mt. oysters are the testicles, I believe!
Yes, they are! Also, very deliscious.

E & Reagan
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Carol Wimmer <my3jcs@> wrote:
> >
> > Oh my gosh! They eat those???? Now, are rocky
> > mountain oysters really oysters or they something
> > else???
> >
>

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2a. OT but funny: Was Bully Sticks
Posted by: "Shannon Parker" mrbatisse@yahoo.ca mrbatisse
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 7:09 am ((PDT))

I actually saw a guy playing tug of war with his Lab...Lab had bullystick in his mouth...guy had other end of bully stick in his mouth! I waited until he was done to tell him what it was. I honestly wish I had a camera to capture his reaction....priceless!

Shannon

Carol Wimmer <my3jcs@yahoo.com> wrote:
Oh my gosh! They eat those???? Now, are rocky
mountain oysters really oysters or they something
else???

Carol
Rocky,Rex,Mack

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3a. Hello I am new here..cutting up food
Posted by: "Shannon Parker" mrbatisse@yahoo.ca mrbatisse
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 7:11 am ((PDT))

Hi Catherine,

Yeah, you're probably right. But at 12, I figure she's earned the right to get her food the way she wants it. Her teeth are lovely, and she is just a really happy dog. I think if she was only 2 I'd have put a stop to it....but she's my baby and I don't mind catering to her a bit in her old age.

Shannon

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sucker for big brown puppy eyes too).. she knows if she refuses to eat what
you offer you will pick it up and cut it into convenient pieces for her. That
way she never has to put any real effort into eating.

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4a. Re: Hi,
Posted by: "geraldinebutterfield" gbutterflied@comcast.net geraldinebutterfield
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 7:49 am ((PDT))

Hi Chris,
I have been feeding raw for several months now and I'll never go
back. One of the members of this group re-typed a great article
regarding how a dogs body works and posted it here. I highly
recomend taking a read of it. Message #137008

geraldine

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, chrisstfo@... wrote:
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> Hi, OK i have started my raw feeding to my dog. I am giving her
chicken and
> red meat. How do I know how much to feed her? Everyone is on my
case saying
> the dog is going to choke on the chicken bone or get salmonella.
Thanks,
> Chris
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5a. Having trouble with drumsticks
Posted by: "kalina82" kalina82@yahoo.com kalina82
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 8:00 am ((PDT))

Hi,

This week at dinner time I started to give my yorkie chicken
drumsticks. I thought she would be more excited about it then she
was. She wouldn't eat on her own. I had to rip the meat mostly off
the bone so that she could grab a piece to pull off. She only ate
those pieces and didn't even try to gnaw on the bone or eat it. She
had trouble pulling the meat off it as well. Is there something
easier to try so that she gets the hang of it?

Thanks
Kellie and morgan

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5b. Re: Having trouble with drumsticks
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 10:42 am ((PDT))

> Is there something easier to try so that she gets the hang of it

Hi.How many days you been on raw feeding? She maybe not sure waht to do with it if your dog were relatively new.

Taste is bland and texture is not crunchy like kibble so,if your dog were new,then,just give your dog more time and the dog figure out how to tackle it.

That being said,if you were feeding parts by parts of chicken,I say,Split chicken breast with rib bone will be easiest bone to crunch.

Try this and if still having trouble figuring out how to tackle this,you may be able to break the rib bone only a bit so that dog can smell what is inside the bone.

Just give the dog more time and enjoy rawfeeding

Your dog has no teeth prob? that is another to check too.

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5c. Re: Having trouble with drumsticks
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 2:44 pm ((PDT))

Kellie,

A breast might be easier for her....take a scissors and "ribbon" it, giving
her some nice easy starting places. You can also smash the bone if need be,
but breast bones are pretty soft and easy to eat.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "kalina82" <kalina82@yahoo.com>

This week at dinner time I started to give my yorkie chicken
drumsticks. I thought she would be more excited about it then she
was. She wouldn't eat on her own. I had to rip the meat mostly off
the bone so that she could grab a piece to pull off. She only ate
those pieces and didn't even try to gnaw on the bone or eat it. She
had trouble pulling the meat off it as well. Is there something
easier to try so that she gets the hang of it?

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5d. Re: Having trouble with drumsticks
Posted by: "kalina82" kalina82@yahoo.com kalina82
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 4:19 pm ((PDT))

>Hi.How many days you been on raw feeding? She maybe not sure waht to
do with it if your dog were relatively new.

So far she's had three drumsticks, so she is still very new. I had
been feeding her natures variety and primal so she's used to ground up
meat. I figured it was going to take a few tries before she got the
hang of it but she seems so uninterested in the chicken drumstick.
Right now though, I just gave her a turkey neck bone and she is still
eating away at it with no problems. I've even heard from crunching
going on so i assume that is bone. she's doing much better with the
neck then the drumstick. I'm going to try a piece of breast neck to
see if she likes that better then the drumstick.

Kellie

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5e. Re: Having trouble with drumsticks
Posted by: "kalina82" kalina82@yahoo.com kalina82
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 4:20 pm ((PDT))

> Kellie,
>
> A breast might be easier for her....take a scissors and "ribbon" it,
giving
> her some nice easy starting places. You can also smash the bone if
need be,
> but breast bones are pretty soft and easy to eat.
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang

Thanks for the advise Sandee, i'm going to try a breast neck. Right
now she is going to town on a turkey neck bone so i'm thinking she
just didn't get the drumstick? i don't know, but she is still eating
the turkey neck 15 minutes later so we're doing better then previous
tries with drumsticks.

Kellie and morgan

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6a. switching proteins..
Posted by: "Louisa" lchandler@austin.rr.com lou_losgatos
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 8:20 am ((PDT))

Good Morning,

I am ready to swtich my dogs from chicken to another protein (pork). I
feed twice a day and was wondering if it is Ok to feed 1/2 and 1/2 at
those feedings (pork in the morning, chicken in the evening, for
example) Also, would stomach upset (runny poops) be a common side
effect when switching to new protein sources? I am planning on giving
the dogs slippery elm meatballs (1 tsp slippery elm powder to 1 oz
ground chicken) with each meal.

Thanks in advance,

Louisa C

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6b. Re: switching proteins..
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 11:29 am ((PDT))

Hi Louisa,

I don't think slippery elm would be something you'd want to give all
the time, or as a preventative. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. But
I would save a substance like that for if you really need it.

To minimize the risk of runny poops when introducing a new food, just
add a tiny bit to the first meal and gradually increase as things go
well. It's fine to be more adventurous than that, you just might have
to back up and go slower if you have any issues.

Laurie

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6c. Re: switching proteins..
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 4:23 pm ((PDT))

"Louisa" <lchandler@...> wrote:
> I am ready to swtich my dogs from chicken to another protein (pork).
I
> feed twice a day and was wondering if it is Ok to feed 1/2 and 1/2 at
> those feedings (pork in the morning, chicken in the evening, for
> example)
*****
Yes, it's fine. I mix meats all the time, the dogs are invariably fine
with the variety. In fact, I rarely stick to one meat protein when I
am starting a new dog; while I may reply on chicken ala chicken for a
couple meals, as often as not I start adding in bits of new meats quite
soon. By the time I am officially feeding a "new" meat, it's hardly a
surprise at all to the dog's system.

Also, would stomach upset (runny poops) be a common side
> effect when switching to new protein sources? I am planning on
giving
> the dogs slippery elm meatballs (1 tsp slippery elm powder to 1 oz
> ground chicken) with each meal.
*****
Unless your dog's response to raw food has been notably awful so far, I
frankly see no point in fixing something that isn't broken. I think
you should not worry about runny poops; I think you should not
introduce pork flat-out but rather add pork to the chicken meals until
the meals are half pork and the stools don't scare you. If they get to
looking like more than you can accept, go back to more chicken and less
pork.

Slippery elm is not a basic ingredient of a good raw diet. It is not
something you simply add to meals to prevent loose stools. What you do
to minimize loose stools is feed food that suits the dog, whatever that
is, however much it is. And for however long it takes to get it
right. Slippery elm is there IF the dog has an irritated bowel--if,
perhaps, a bone bit zigged instead of zagged, or the loose stools do
not resolve themselves promptly. It is not a cure all and I doubt
those who praise its effectivity mean for it to be used willy nilly.

When a dog has loose stools it is processing excess in the most
efficient way it can. It does not necessarily have an upset stomach
and it is not necessarily in pain. A more natural response would be to
simplify, reduce, retreat, slow down, take a break. Give the stomach a
rest. Often doing nothing is more beneficial than doing anything.

Chris O

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7a. Re: Teeth revisted
Posted by: "mikkeny" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 9:47 am ((PDT))

> I've been reading the posts on dogs with missing and worn teeth, but
> if teeth are worn, doesn't the nerve get hit when they chew the
> bones? My dog's canines look like they have been cut in half
> lengthwise and he has stopped eating meats with bone. I set an appt.
> with a dental specialist. Is this a wasted trip?
>

Carol,

Not at all, I think a vet consult is a very good idea.

Dogs tend to not use canines when eating, so this type of damage would
concern me that there's some sort of disease process involved. Or he
has some unusual activity going on with his mouth.

Either way, not eating bone-in meats means pain and pain needs to be
addressed asap.

Casey

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8a. Re: Help! Sick pup
Posted by: "mikkeny" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 9:50 am ((PDT))

> I'm worried
> about dehydration at this point and am thinking I need to get to the
> emergency vet. I'm hoping someone can answer quickly and let me know
> if this is normal. He has had no problems with any food up until
> now.

Carol,

I would not automatically assume that this is food-related.
Puppy+repeated vomiting= vet trip, imo.

You're right - dehydration is always a concern with the little guys.

Good luck!

Casey

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8b. Re: Help! Sick pup
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 11:29 am ((PDT))

>I started feeding raw 2 weeks ago and He had a little pineapple yesterday afternoon and a >country pork rib (6-7 oz) for dinner. I've been feeding a little pork neck each day along with
>the normal chicken or turkey to get him used to the pork.

Hi,I have a feeling that you just need to tweak your diet and no need to go to Emergency vet.

So, from what you write here,your dog menu will be like as followings??

Afternoon Pinapple treats
Dinner Pork rib +Pork neck

> Dinner last night was the first for pork rib.

If you gave meal just as I put above,it ,maybe too much bone. did you add any boneless meat to it? Neck usually has more bone than meat and in addition to that,if you feed ribs..again,bone ratio is higher than meat itself.

I suggest that you feed extra meat to the dinner of Pork ribs. That should help for vomitting piece of bone.

>He started vomiting this morning and has done this several times throughout the day and >evening. The first couple of vomits had a bit of pork and pineapple in them, the rest have >been clear with a little mucus.

> I'm worried about dehydration at this point

I was thinking you need to worry about dehydration if diarrhea was prob.

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9.1. Re: Ox tail and Cow hooves from Hare today in PA(Re: gnaw-worthy bon
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 10:42 am ((PDT))

Hi. I am back with review of two things;Oxtail and Cow hooves which I fed this weekends.

<OX tail>

I heard that Sandy's dog Griffin eats all Ox tail bone,but mine wasn't. She ate most of the bone but left me about 1 inch round bone chunk which seemed to be hard to crush to small enough to swallow. I could give her more time to try but,I was not all that comfortable withy size and shape of bone so, I traded her with Chicken feet which she was happy to trade.

I think I will keep Oxtail in menu.Not often to feed maybe ,but,she seemed enjoyed it a lot.

<Cow hooves>

Ok, this one (half of waht I got) weighed 43oz before she does any damages. it is roughly around 3.5lb I think.

It came with fur still attached for what I fed today and other half I had in freezer was more like bare bone (I did not weigh that bone so,not sure how much it weigh).

The one I fed had hooves,bigger than my dogs head,little bigger than my hand.

This was the very first time she got anything with fur still attached.

She sniffed it and circling around and try to nip the hoove from different angles and then,got closer and licked the cutted surface and stared at me.

She had no idea what to do with it.

At this point,my husband said " Sheis not gonna eat it,she seems not sure about it although she shows interests"

I said" Give her time and she figure out"

She kept licking but not biting actually after 10 minutes of investigating,and she laied down,staring at me.

So, I grabbed kitchen sears and I made slit ,and she came trotting near me and,sniffed at it.

I then,cut off 1 inch square from the cow hooves,and she licked it and ate it all.

So,now she realised how tasty it is?? andfrom that point on,she needed no help from me and engaged in cow hooves.

She tackled from various angles,she tried holding the hooves or cuddle it to get the tissue off from it,she flipped it over,and ate 2 nobby things on the cow hooves and it was not looking hard at all.

She carried the cow hooves holding to skin thatshe can grab with mouth and moved one place to the other when it tried to off from shower curtain anditwas so funny.

'cause the hooves weigh quite heavy for her to carry and kind of wabbly to walk and cannot get the head up:-P

Anyway,she tried various ways to tackled and wrestle with it a lot,and spent 2 hours today with it.

I could give her more time, but I called it for today.

What she had during the 2 hours time are.. all around skin off from cow hooves,and some cartilidge,and 2 nobby things on its back,and some nibbles on tips of real hooves.

I weighed it again to see how much she had,it was 6oz (little less than half pound) she ate during the 2 hours.

I wiped her muzzle,paws with 50water 50vinegar solution and I bagged the hooves and put it back to freezer.

I washed shower curtain today too after that.It had sort of smell still even if I wiped with vinegar solution.

She seemed to used up quite bit of energy and laying down near me sleeping.

Right after the feeding,she was rolling on carpet in living room. I wiped her so,I do not think she got poo in her fur or anything,but it maybe just the way she does to show joy???

Overall, taster loved it and I am happy about it.

Only negative side is that,kitchen smelled like barn. Not as bad as cannot bear,but still was stinky.

If I paied 2 dollars and she got that much of joy and work out,I would not complain about it.

yassy

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10.1. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
Posted by: "pelirojita" kerrymurray7@gmail.com pelirojita
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 11:30 am ((PDT))

Yay, Palette - Happy Birthday!

Chris, thanks so much for the feedback. I'm placing an order today.

Kerry

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@...> wrote:
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> Yassy,
>
> It's so clear how much you love Palette and it's great to hear how
> she's doing. Happy Birthday to Palette!
>
> Laurie
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
> <sunshine_annamaria@> wrote:
> >
>
> > When I looked at her from far side,her fur looked shinier and
> looked more vivid in color.
> > She stays calm most of the time,taking naps and such but when we
> play together both inside the house and outside the house,she look more
> energetic.
> >
> > I thought that changing her diet was best choice I ever made.
> >
>

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10.2. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 12:31 pm ((PDT))

>Yay, Palette - Happy Birthday!

Hi,Kerry.Thanks. She enjoyed be-lated BD food;cow hooves this morning after real meal and she spent 2 hours on it and was so much work out,I guess.

She enjoyed it so,I am happy.

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11a. Re: This vegetarian met her match in a turkey! Help!
Posted by: "pelirojita" kerrymurray7@gmail.com pelirojita
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 11:30 am ((PDT))

Thank you to all who posted and sent me individual emails with good
visuals. I don't feel so inept now and I really appreciate the safety
recommendations.

The turkey has been a huge hit with both dogs, especially my finicky
golden, so I appreciate all the helpful suggestions.

Kerry,
Tucson, AZ

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Olga" <olga.drozd@...> wrote:
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> Ok, maybe cutting a chicken would have been good practice. ;)
>
> I've got a big old knife that I use for hacking up the turkey, but you
> might have good luck with a cleaver also (that damn breast bone is
> really hard). I use a smaller serrated knife to get through most of
> it too, and I try to cut along joints to make it easier (and to avoid
> making pokey things for the dogs to eat).
>
> Usually I cut the leg quarters off first. Then I cut off the wings
> with a hunk of breast meat still attached (I use the skin to keep the
> meat together with the wing), or I cut down the middle of the
> breastbone and keep the wing with that. It really depends though, on
> the size of your dogs.
>
> I found some picture guides online for cutting up a turkey, but they
> were all meant for human cooking and divide it up into tiny little
> pieces so I didn't want to post them here. You could google it just
> to get you started if you want...
>
> Finally, I have found that cutting a still-partially-frozen turkey is
> easier than completely thawed, although it's pretty cold on your
> hands. But it does reduce the slimey-ness.
>
> Olga
>

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11b. Re: This vegetarian met her match in a turkey! Help!
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 12:32 pm ((PDT))

Did you know some stores will cut it up for you if the butcher is
around?

I just bought a frozen turkey at Kroger and the butcher thought I was
crazy but he cut it like I ask (into 6 chunks) and even rewrapped it,
lol.

Carol,Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "pelirojita" <kerrymurray7@...>
wrote:
> The turkey has been a huge hit with both dogs, especially my finicky
> golden, so I appreciate all the helpful suggestions.
>
> Kerry,
> Tucson, AZ

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12a. Grinding Tripe
Posted by: "Todd Berman" me@toddberman.com todd_and_phred
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 12:33 pm ((PDT))

I recently acquired a good amount of tripe. The problem (for me at
least) is that it is all chunks and not ground tripe. I know that
some people do feed in chunks, but the problem is my dog had some
problems with the big pieces and since tripe is so nasty, he ended the
meal dirty and smelly (and still kind of hungry)!

Anyway, I think if I gave it to him enough, he could learn how to eat
it, but I don't know if I can deal with the mess it makes as chunks.
I found it much easier to give him the ground tripe in a bowl and just
let him enjoy it.

I have about 20lbs of these tripe chunks and I really want to feed it
all... does anyone know a way to grind it (or have any idea of how I
can get it ground).

Any help would be much appreciated!

Thanks,

Todd (and Phred, the lucky dog with lots of tripe!)

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12b. Re: Grinding Tripe
Posted by: "Renate Hotchkiss" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 3:42 pm ((PDT))

You could probably mash it up in a food processor if you don't have a meat
grinder. If you're using a food processor, don't run it continuously, a
series of short spurts of running it, checking frequently would be better
otherwise you'll end up with tripe soup. HTH
Renate

On 9/1/07, Todd Berman <me@toddberman.com> wrote:
>
> I recently acquired a good amount of tripe. The problem (for me at
> least) is that it is all chunks and not ground tripe. I know that
> some people do feed in chunks, but the problem is my dog had some
> problems with the big pieces and since tripe is so nasty, he ended the
> meal dirty and smelly (and still kind of hungry)!
>
> Anyway, I think if I gave it to him enough, he could learn how to eat
> it, but I don't know if I can deal with the mess it makes as chunks.
> I found it much easier to give him the ground tripe in a bowl and just
> let him enjoy it.
>
> I have about 20lbs of these tripe chunks and I really want to feed it
> all... does anyone know a way to grind it (or have any idea of how I
> can get it ground).
>
> Any help would be much appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Todd (and Phred, the lucky dog with lots of tripe!)
>
>
>

--
Renate
'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'

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13a. Re: leftover duck neck
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 3:53 pm ((PDT))

"tinamdeloia" <tinamdeloia@...> wrote:
Is this okay? I would hope/imagine that a dog would
> know whether something is too rancid and would make them sick. Do
> they? Or do I need to be the advocate for her?
>
*****
Assuming she's not hiding parts in toxic heaps, I don't see the
behavior as a problem. Typically it means the dog is full up, done,
finished...and is stashing the leftovers til hunger calls. So if it
bothers you, better to reduce portions than to steal what she's so
carefully set aside.

Also of course, if you've got a problem with rats or visiting dogs or
other uninvited critters, you may want to collect the remains. No
sense in feeding the neighborhood.
Chris O

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13b. Re: leftover duck neck
Posted by: "S.R. Sudekum" ssudekum@centurytel.net fassue
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 3:55 pm ((PDT))

tinamdeloia wrote:
> Anyway,
> she hid a leftover piece of duck neck from 2 days ago and dug it up for
> breakfast today. Is this okay? I would hope/imagine that a dog would
> know whether something is too rancid and would make them sick. Do
> they? Or do I need to be the advocate for her?
>
> Tina

I wouldn't worry, I suspect dogs do this to "season" their meat. I had a
hen die (of natural causes), buried her out in the field. A month later
my lovely, wonderful (ha!) furkids dug her up, dragged her ALL over the
back yard (the smell was memorable!) and ate her...with no after-effects
whatsoever, other than having to spend a night in the garage until the
smell dissapated.

Dogs have stronger stomachs than we give them credit for!

Sue in Michigan

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14. Mocha's Passing
Posted by: "beaulah_2001us" beaulah_2001us@yahoo.com beaulah_2001us
Date: Sat Sep 1, 2007 5:08 pm ((PDT))

9.1.2007 This is a letter to cover everyone personal, close, yahoo
groups etc.

To those who know of Mocha and her fight with Insulinoma Cancer. Mocha
put up a terrific fight against this cancer. She tried her hardest to
heal as much as possible and be here as long as possible. Her fight
ended Wednesday night of this last week. She is now off playing with
Grace our other beloved dog of many years.

Mocha went into waves of grand maul seizures on Wednesday that lasted
for several hours. With every seizure we saw less and less of Mocha and
knew in the end that if we did save her, she would not really be there
anymore. Looking into Mocha's eyes we felt she was telling us it was
time to let her go. So we stayed with her before, during and after she
left. We told her how much we all loved her and thanked her for being
with us. She was a great companion and friend to all of us.

Even though our daughter has moved back home just yesterday with her
cats, it is still an empty, lonely, quiet home to be in. Some day we
will have another dog in our lives but for now we will listen to them
quietly as they come and visit us in their new lives. We do not just
want to replace those we love with another baby, but wait for the right
time and baby to come along.

Mocha loved many people and she sends her love to all. To the Yahoo dog
groups that I belong to I have enjoyed the groups. I did not get to
participate in the last weeks with mocha's illness and moving the
kids back home, taking cats to vet, canning etc. But I did try to read
most of the posts in each group. For now if no one minds I would like to
just stay with some of the groups and yes more as a lurker than a
participator, at least for awhile during which time we will be thinking
of another dog. Can people share their knowledge of what breeds are
30-50 lbs and the personalities of the breed?

We want to take time to heal before getting another dog. We may end up
not even getting what we think we want. But at least it will give us
time to heal and be able to look forward to a new furbaby.

To my other yahoo groups this is basically an update as to what has gone
on of late and I will try to be more active in time.

Thank you all so much for the help we received and the caring and loving
thoughts.

Sandy

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