[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11981

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1.1. Re: Confused
From: johkemp
1.2. Re: Confused
From: johkemp

2a. Re: Dog not wanting to eat pork necks
From: Morledzep@aol.com
2b. Re: Dog not wanting to eat pork necks
From: vickies_28
2c. Re: Dog not wanting to eat pork necks
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: Neyla won't eat lamb neck bones anymore - help!
From: Alisha Johnson

4. Update on Shiba new to raw w/gastric upset
From: soyviz

5. A little panicky re: pup with diahrrea
From: K Carolyn Ramamurti

6a. Re: where to feed dogs
From: Pamela Picard
6b. Re: where to feed dogs
From: Shannon Parker
6c. Re: where to feed dogs
From: Laurie Swanson

7a. New and with issues
From: Anita

8a. problem with pooped out bone
From: nat_franc
8b. Re: problem with pooped out bone
From: Sandee Lee

9. Who on this list has been feeding RAW for many years?
From: coriowen

10. My intro...
From: Valerie

11a. weight
From: schottscrazyzoo
11b. Re: weight
From: Laurie Swanson
11c. Re: weight
From: costrowski75
11d. Re: weight
From: Sandee Lee

12a. Re: vet says Yeay to rawfeeding
From: costrowski75

13. I need to find a Holistic Vet in the Dallas area....
From: coriowen

14a. Re: Different types of meat
From: linoleum5017

15a. Re: Intro - Newbie
From: linoleum5017

16. introduced pork today...question
From: lar07911

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1.1. Re: Confused
Posted by: "johkemp" johkemp@yahoo.com.au johkemp
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:22 pm ((PDT))

Hi Jody,

There are as many different ideas about feeding dogs as there are about
people diets! That said I think that Tom Lonsdale is a god!!

I don't feed my dog vegetables as part of her normal diet but she does
raid the scraps we give to the rabbits. She also eats strawberries out
of the garden and loves apple core. We look at it as she enjoys it as
a treat and she is choosing to eat it so why stress about it.

From memory Billinghurst refers to dogs as omnivores so that rings
alarm bells to start with. He is trying to sell books and expensive
pre made mush - just make friends with your butcher!

Jo
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1.2. Re: Confused
Posted by: "johkemp" johkemp@yahoo.com.au johkemp
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:27 pm ((PDT))

I forgot to mention the teeth question in my other post!!

If it was my dog I would have his teeth cleaned by the vet.
Periodontal disease can have far reaching health effects so get them
cleaned and any pulled if necessary. Then you can start the raw diet
with a fresh slate (clean mouth?) and he probably won't need
professional teeth cleaning done again. He will be doing it himself
every day BUT only if you skip the patties and feed chunks of meat and
meaty bones. A prey model diet is not only for nutrition but for the
health of your dogs' teeth, jaw and gums too.

Jo

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2a. Re: Dog not wanting to eat pork necks
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:31 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/30/2007 9:59:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
vickies_28@yahoo.com writes:

He will eat the meat chunks of
pork just fine with great appetite, but if I give him a port neck or
sholder, whatever has bone in it - he would just look at it funny,
sniff it, leak it and eventually in about 10 min start eating it. But
then will not finish it alghouth seems hungry. I don't think it's the
chewing problem,, since he is chewing on sticks and other hard things
like there is no tomorrow.

Vickie,

pups often lose their baby teeth right around 4 - 5 months.. and their teeth
are a little more sensitive.. my akita pup figured out how to eat everything
except the bone when i fed them ducks while she was teething. She ate meat ok,
but would not tough bone at all for about 5 weeks..

we endured, she started eating bones again in a few weeks and everything is
fne.

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2b. Re: Dog not wanting to eat pork necks
Posted by: "vickies_28" vickies_28@yahoo.com vickies_28
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:11 pm ((PDT))

Chris, thanks for your feedback. He has been eating raw ever since we
got him - about 3 weeks. He just ate a chicken thight/leg, I think it
might've been a quarter, but he ate it with great appetite and didn't
put it down once- all gone.
I will hold off wtih pork bones for now, and try other meats like
turkey necks. I wanted to give him beef but wasn't sure what part to
buy.
Also today my husband told me he yelped and asked to be taken out and
there he ate some grass and threw up a little bit. Just bile no food.
I know it's not a big deal for them to throw up,unless it's food that
comes out, but just curious could port be too fatty for him and
that's why he threw up and didn't really want to eat too much of it.
He seems to be very smart in what/how much he needs to eat.
He plain refused to eat kibble when we got him. Went with no food for
3 days straight.
Vickie

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wrote:
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> "vickies_28" <vickies_28@> wrote:
> >> Should I try any other bones? I want him to enjoy the bones like
all
> > dogs do, not stare at it.
> *****
> Yes, try other bones. Pork necks are not very meaty, pork feet are
I
> think daunting to many dogs at first. You may have simply chosen a
> couple of difficult pork representatives. You might try a slab
(mini
> or whole) of spare ribs, you might try pork brisket bone (aka
riblets):
> both have more meat than the neck and both are more accomodating
than a
> foot.
>
> You could try a turkey thigh or neck (depending on his ability when
he
> gets going a neck may or may not be useful); also unless you have
> sampled all the possible chicken parts, give him a more complicated
> body part. Having to adjust to a new presentation of something
he's
> comfortable with may inspire him.
>
> How long has he been eating raw?
> Chris O
>

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2c. Re: Dog not wanting to eat pork necks
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:16 pm ((PDT))

"vickies_28" <vickies_28@...> wrote:
>He just ate a chicken thight/leg, I think it
> might've been a quarter, but he ate it with great appetite and
didn't
> put it down once- all gone.
*****
A leg quarter is probably more user-friendly than a pork neck.
Perhaps he just has to grow a bit more. Some pups are like that.

> I will hold off wtih pork bones for now, and try other meats like
> turkey necks. I wanted to give him beef but wasn't sure what part
to
> buy.
*****
Adding beef meat is a fine idea; I recommend you not worry about beef
bones for the time being if at all. Just grab whatever cheap beef
you find and feed it with a chicken part...or even all by its
lonesome.

> Also today my husband told me he yelped and asked to be taken out
and
> there he ate some grass and threw up a little bit.
*****
Hard to know why he yelped or vomited. The two behaviors are not
generally connected in terms of food. A bee sting or insect bite
maybe. Are you really really sure there's nothing wrong with the
kid's mouth?

just curious could port be too fatty for him and
> that's why he threw up and didn't really want to eat too much of
it.
*****
Anything's possible but generally speaking a poor response to fat is
demonstrated by loose stools. What you describe doesn't sound like
fat intolerance. If there was a problem with the fat he would have
vomited up the fatty meat. Bile vomit without food usually indicates
an empty stomach.
Chris O

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3a. Re: Neyla won't eat lamb neck bones anymore - help!
Posted by: "Alisha Johnson" charlieschoicetreatco@yahoo.ca charlieschoicetreatco
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:44 pm ((PDT))

Perhaps she has a slab fracture in one of her carnasials which are her "crushing teeth" and when she chews it hurts. A quick check by a vet(provided the dog will let them look) should let you know.
Cheers,
Alisha

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4. Update on Shiba new to raw w/gastric upset
Posted by: "soyviz" soyviz@yahoo.com soyviz
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:14 pm ((PDT))

Per the helpful responses to my last msg, I have fed Thelma chicken parts with bone for 4
days (she fasted one day after the barf/poop/barf/poop cycle). Today she gave me solid (but
not too hard) poops! I was so relieved...I now have a copy of Work Wonders and will follow
the posts. Thank you very much for the reassuring and helpful responses to my previous
msg.

Best,
Aisha O.

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5. A little panicky re: pup with diahrrea
Posted by: "K Carolyn Ramamurti" lilith23360@yahoo.com lilith23360
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:07 pm ((PDT))

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One of my pups "threw up bile", per a description of a family member (I didn't see it) this morning. This afternoon, she has diahrrea -- not able to make it to the door.

I probably would have taken her to her vet who approves of raw feeding, but his office is now closed and the emergency vet is one of those who will blame everything on raw (and probably call the Humane Society to report me for animal abuse/neglect).

She had beef (some meaty cut, I can't recall the name of it, but no bones) yesterday evening and ate very little (if they got to decide, my dogs would have a diet of 80% bone and 20% meat and organs). She had more of the same beef this morning.

I probably would be less worried if this were my little "chunk" dog, who eats very little but gains weight on it; this is my "skinny Minnie" who eats a ton and is tiny, tiny, tiny.

Thanks in advance,

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6a. Re: where to feed dogs
Posted by: "Pamela Picard" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:07 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "swilken61" <powrfemme@...> wrote:
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> Hello everyone,
>
> Any tips on how to keep the dogs from running all over the house with
> their food? My kitchen has two entrances that are too wide for even
> the largest ready made baby gate. The dogs like eat on the couch,
> that is where, prior to eating raw, they would chew their bully
> sticks. If they have any large bones, that's where they head. This ***

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once and placed on the floor. He eats by my bedside in the morning,
while I work. In the evening, he eats at my feet while I watch TV.
When he's done, I throw it into the wash.

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6b. Re: where to feed dogs
Posted by: "Shannon Parker" mrbatisse@yahoo.ca mrbatisse
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:27 pm ((PDT))

Hi Stephany,

Okay first of all, i agree with all of the others that ew...gross Bully sticks on the couch!!!!!! You know what they are, right? Oh, and the smell...dear lord, couldn't imagine having that in the same place I relax. So, having said that...I live in apartment and do not have the luxury of taking my dogs outside to eat. I baby gate one of my dogs into the hallway, and the other just eats on the spot on the kitchen floor. At first they both tried to take their food onto to their respective dog beds, but after repeatedly taking the food back to their bowls they learned. It didn't take that much time either. If you would like, you can put a towel down so that they learn to associate the towel with the feeding spot. Be consistent and don't let them get away with taking the food somewhere else. They will learn in no time.
Good luck!

Shannon

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The dogs like eat on the couch,
that is where, prior to eating raw, they would chew their bully
sticks. If they have any large bones, that's where they head. This is
something I'd like to stop if possible. So far I cover the couch with
towels before I feed them, and I do have a slipcover, but I am
foreseeing a lot of laundry in my life.

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6c. Re: where to feed dogs
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:16 pm ((PDT))

Well, Bugs brings the bully into my lap and I sit there and hold it for
him while he chews on it! :-)

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Shannon Parker <mrbatisse@...> wrote:
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> Hi Stephany,
>
> Okay first of all, i agree with all of the others that ew...gross
Bully sticks on the couch!!!!!! You know what they are, right? Oh,
and the smell...dear lord, couldn't imagine having that in the same
place I relax.

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7a. New and with issues
Posted by: "Anita" craftyhoosiermama@gmail.com anita42776
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:08 pm ((PDT))

> I think pet food companies have been good at conditioning us, ie a
dog must have this, that.....

Yeah, exactly!

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8a. problem with pooped out bone
Posted by: "nat_franc" chickenchucker@gmail.com nat_franc
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:26 pm ((PDT))

history: atticus, 7mo boxer, had an acute attack of pancreatitis and
IBD compounded with a bone obstruction that required surgery 3 1/2
weeks ago. i started to ease him back onto raw last night, double
ground skinless leg quarters. he has eaten 4 meals of about half
cooked bone in leg quarters and half ground raw. i was all happy
because things were going well. well, tonight he did looser that
usual poop FULL of ground bone pieces, now i am not worried about the
bone as i double ground it and the pieces were very small. and i
added Prozyme to each meal he had. but that poop had a ton of bone
in it, which means he is not digesting very well. the only medication
he is on is clindamyacine (sp?) supplements: fish oil, vit.E, ester C,
L-glutamine, and L-lysine, oh and benadryl and robitussin, for his
allergies and bronchitis.
help!

natalie

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8b. Re: problem with pooped out bone
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:28 pm ((PDT))

Probably too much bone. You are not really feeding cooked bone, are you?
I'm not exactly sure what you are cooking and what you are grinding.

Nevertheless, I would stop grinding, feed less bone and add a good digestive
or pancreatic enzyme designed to digest protein and fat. Prozyme only works
on carbohydrates and can cause digestive upsets.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "nat_franc" <chickenchucker@gmail.com>

history: atticus, 7mo boxer, had an acute attack of pancreatitis and
IBD compounded with a bone obstruction that required surgery 3 1/2
weeks ago. i started to ease him back onto raw last night, double
ground skinless leg quarters. he has eaten 4 meals of about half
cooked bone in leg quarters and half ground raw. i was all happy
because things were going well. well, tonight he did looser that
usual poop FULL of ground bone pieces, now i am not worried about the
bone as i double ground it and the pieces were very small. and i
added Prozyme to each meal he had. but that poop had a ton of bone
in it, which means he is not digesting very well. the only medication
he is on is clindamyacine (sp?) supplements: fish oil, vit.E, ester C,
L-glutamine, and L-lysine, oh and benadryl and robitussin, for his
allergies and bronchitis.

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9. Who on this list has been feeding RAW for many years?
Posted by: "coriowen" COwen98@aol.com coriowen
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:27 pm ((PDT))

I know we have several on this list that are tremendous helps and THANK
YOU! I am in my second week with my girls and I don't ever see myself
ever going back to kibble. My two Dachshunds are young, one is 2 3/4
years and the other is 10 mos and my Mastiff and Doberman will be 5 in
a few months. They are getting a pretty good shot at starting Raw
feeding at young ages and for the big girls, fairly young ages. Are
there any stats as to the added longivity to lifespan on Raw Fed Dogs?
I know I read about the dog in Austrailia that was 27 or 29 in like
2005 or something and all he has ever eaten was wild prey diet in the
outback. If there is more info can someone direct me to it? I
appreciate it. I think that is what we are all striving for,
healthier, happier pets that have the chance to live longer than the
usual 12-15 years. I do know a lady that feeds raw and her Dachshund
is 20 years old. Very impressive. =)
Cori and my girls =)

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10. My intro...
Posted by: "Valerie" valdeere@msn.com vahl0426
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi everyone! I just wanted to take a moment to introduce myself (I
couldn't help but post a real message previously). My name is Val and
I own a nearly two year old Great Pyrenees male (Zuke) and a nearly
one year old black lab-mix female (Louise).

At about 7 months of age, my Pyrenees, Zuke came down with
Panosteitis. At the time, I thought I was feeding him a good quality
food but Pano is so painful, it led me to start looking into the
ingredients in the food I was feeding him. Soooo, I switched him to
what I thought was a better food and the symptoms faded rapidly.

Now here I am a year later, and my Zuke has been on prednisone since
Monday to treat some terribly itchy skin on his face and feet. I
dislike using any kind of medication if at all possible. I would
rather prevent than treat. I have to say though, that Zuke was so
miserable, at least the prednisone is working. I don't think he's
allergic to his food, but this has me looking again at what I am
feeding.

I want what is best for both of my dogs, but I know that I need to
educate myself before I jump right in to raw feeding. I am here so
that I can learn and understand.

Even so, I'm already thinking about what is available here locally (I
pretty much live in a small town that is just about in the middle of
nowhere). Is it safe to feed venison and pheasant?

Anyway, I will close this. I look forward to talking with everyone
and thank you all in advance for your patience with the questions I
will likely be asking. By the way, I've been looking into all the
links on the group page...a lot of good info!

Valerie

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11a. weight
Posted by: "schottscrazyzoo" schottscrazyzoo@yahoo.com schottscrazyzoo
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:56 pm ((PDT))

Has anyone that has been on RAW an extended time noticed weight
gain/loss. Thank You Brady

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11b. Re: weight
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:17 pm ((PDT))

Seems like most dogs balance out if fed the right amount--they lose if
they need to or gain if they need to. What's the particular
situation/question?

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "schottscrazyzoo"
<schottscrazyzoo@...> wrote:
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> Has anyone that has been on RAW an extended time noticed weight
> gain/loss. Thank You Brady
>

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11c. Re: weight
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:22 pm ((PDT))

"schottscrazyzoo" <schottscrazyzoo@...> wrote:
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> Has anyone that has been on RAW an extended time noticed weight
> gain/loss.
*****
Do you mean unexpected weight gain/loss? No.
Do you mean intentional and appropriate weight gain/loss? Yes.

I have always seen a direct relationship between amount of food fed (or
type of food fed) and weight gain/loss/maintenance.
Chris O

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11d. Re: weight
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:24 pm ((PDT))

Weight is pretty easy to maintain depending on amount fed. If a dog is
gaining, decrease the food...if losing, increase! Why do you ask?

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "schottscrazyzoo" <schottscrazyzoo@yahoo.com>

Has anyone that has been on RAW an extended time noticed weight
gain/loss. Thank You Brady

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12a. Re: vet says Yeay to rawfeeding
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:00 pm ((PDT))

"johkemp" <johkemp@...> wrote:
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> How about I change
> it to "this includes chunks of meat, offal and the occasional table
> scraps?"
*****
It's important to keep a lot of meat on the menu. However you want to
arrange the words is fine by me.
Chris O

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13. I need to find a Holistic Vet in the Dallas area....
Posted by: "coriowen" COwen98@aol.com coriowen
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:17 pm ((PDT))

I actually live SE of Dallas, out near Canton. If anyone knows of one
closer to Rockwall, or Mesquite or one that is in the Easern side of
Dallas, I would really appreciate the recommendation. I found a site
to check for holistic vets in different states/cities and not many came
up, so I thought I would ask. I would like a vet that will accept a
Raw Fed dog and doesn't try to lecture you about the dog being fed
Raw. I had a vet try to discourage me on feeding raw but it was a no
go. I have a distrust with a vet that wants to look at the negative of
feeding raw and is close minded about it. BTW, he is an older man and
very set in his ways. I have a younger Dachshund that needs to be
spayed ASAP and I would like her to go to a holistic vet so they won't
try to feed her kibble or canned crap after surgery EVEN if I tell them
DO NOT FEED KIBBLE! Thanks in advance, if anyone can help.
Cori

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14a. Re: Different types of meat
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:17 pm ((PDT))

Cynthia,

Another person from this list and I split a goat order.... I have not
noticed any foul smell. Neither has she reported one. Perhaps you got
a bad lot, or your dog does not agree with goat meat.

Regarding cats - sounds like the baby 'chicks' are a big hit! To
convince my cat to eat raw, I fed a little of the food he liked,
(ki**le,) but not enough to fill him up. Under his desired food was
the rawmeat, and since he was still hungry when he ran out of his
desired food, he kept on going to eat the rawfood. I decreased the
ki**le a little each day, so that now he only eats rawfood.

I love the thought that we are conversing from the USA to the
Netherlands. Many good wishes to you!

Lynne

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cynthiabooijblommers"
<cynthiabooijblommers@...> wrote:
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> Hello,
> I'm new to this list and have been feeding raw since januari of this
year. I've found that when they get goat....they reek, I really mean
smell, from their mouth to their stool. Is that normal??

> Secondly, I've got 2 cats, whom I want to switch over also....
What's best to start with? I have some baby chickens (not sure of
English word, lol) frozen, which they do seem to like, but they just
refuse to eat the chicken I left out for them.

> HELP.... I really want them off kibble, but they aren't coöperating

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15a. Re: Intro - Newbie
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:44 pm ((PDT))

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Brandi,

I am so proud of you!!!! Sounds like you've caught on. Hoping the
affordable rawfood is becoming available???

Good suggestions below. Just wanted to encourage your heart - way
to go!!!

Lynne

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi, I kinda new also, but I've learned A LOT from this group and
yes
> you made the right choice by joining! They're GREAT!
>
> They will tell you to start out with chicken - whole chickens cut
them
> into portions and feed them to your dogs. Or anything chicken
> breasts, leg quarters, thighs. Stay on chicken for a good week or
> two, if they're doing alright with that then you can add another
> protein - like turkey or pork.
>
> Feed twice a day, if not once is alright. You want to feed 2 - 3%
of
> your dogs body weight - if they are skinny feed a little more or if
> they are "fluffy" as they call it here feed them less. You want to
> feed 80% meat, 10% bone and 10% organ. Be careful with organs -
liver
> is better (did i get that right, guys?) - heart is great for
them ???
> when giving organs for the first time only little bits at a time.
It
> can cause diaherra if you give too much.
>
> Have left anything out? If I have they will fill in the blanks or
> give you more information along with what i just gave you.
>
> OH, and they will tell you not to think so much!!!
>
> Hang in there, good luck
> Brandi
> Bartlesville, OK
>
>

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16. introduced pork today...question
Posted by: "lar07911" lar07911@yahoo.com lar07911
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:45 pm ((PDT))

Her stool was fine and she took to it quite well. I fed her a chicken
quarter in the morning and took it away when she was finished. She
left a good portion of the leg, so I figured it would be a good time
to add pork to her next meal. It was just a little bit of pork meat
because the chicken leg had a lot of bone in it.

Because of my schedule...before I fed raw...I was feeding kibble+can
in the morning and the same again around 5-5:30. This time I fed her
second meal closer to 2am.

Tonight she threw up bone fragments with bile. Is this just because
her stomach was used to the feeding schedule?
Thanks,
Laura

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