[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11973

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Do you all rotate Fish oil Brand??
From: Andrea
1b. Re: Do you all rotate Fish oil Brand??
From: Yasuko herron

2a. Re: Feeding wing and thigh separately to large dogs
From: steph.sorensen
2b. Re: Feeding wing and thigh separately to large dogs
From: costrowski75
2c. Re: Feeding wing and thigh separately to large dogs
From: costrowski75

3. Re: Different types of meat r/e goat reek.....
From: JOHN PFAFF

4a. leg quarters
From: lhmcmaken
4b. Re: leg quarters
From: carnesbill
4c. Re: leg quarters
From: Olga
4d. Re: leg quarters
From: Sandee Lee
4e. Re: leg quarters
From: Denise and David Spotila
4f. Re: leg quarters
From: Olga

5a. Re: New to the raw feeding+dairrhea and worms
From: costrowski75
5b. Re: New to the raw feeding+dairrhea and worms
From: costrowski75

6.1. Re: Gulping Was: legumes Unhealthy?
From: Olga

7a. Re: Weaning pups from Mom to raw
From: Tina Berry

8. feeding mostly chicken
From: Sue

9a. Backpacking - Dehydrated meat?
From: hydra_lk
9b. Re: Backpacking - Dehydrated meat?
From: costrowski75

10a. Re: possible allergies?
From: Penny (Nickles) Parker

11a. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
From: Yasuko herron
11b. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
From: costrowski75

12. individual pork rib bones..quick question
From: lar07911

13a. amount of calcium
From: swilken61
13b. Re: amount of calcium
From: Olga

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1a. Re: Do you all rotate Fish oil Brand??
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:50 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
> Update on Walmart soy-free FBO.
> It appears to be gone.

Thanks for the update, Chris. I suppose my search will continue.

Andrea <----Sad panda

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1b. Re: Do you all rotate Fish oil Brand??
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:03 pm ((PDT))

>I checked for Rexall online, and it does appear that the hot item is now the 3, 6 combo

Hi,Chris. i don't know if this products fit to your standard,but the fish oil I am using has no soy in it I think because I checked label and it does not say soy is included in ingredients list.

You would like to try?

I got it from Minesota,and company is called B-naturals and I put the link in one of my posts to Andrea within this thread.

This one does not have Omega 6 or 9;unwanted stuff in dog's diet.

yassy

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2a. Re: Feeding wing and thigh separately to large dogs
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:50 am ((PDT))

If your dogs can carefully dismantle a wing, they can carefully
> dismantle a wing/breast quarter or a leg/thigh quarter...and they
> have every right to do so.
>
> In fact, if your dogs can carefully dismantle a whole chicken they
> should have a crack at that as well. Why don't you want them to eat
> that much? Can you not "sort it all out" in subsequent meals? This
> would be a likely and sensible way to allow for big eating as well
as
> not-so-big eating. Maybe not all the time, but certainly some of
the
> time your dogs should have Big Food opportunities.
>
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I suppose on one day, they could eat the whole chicken, and on other
days, just part of it. I just don't want them to go over their weekly
allotment of food in half a week! I know they can eat a whole chicken
at once, but that will get costly if I do that every day. If I feed
them four pounds one day (the whole chicken), do I then wait a couple
of days to feed them again? That is a lot of food for one day. I
realize that they are large dogs, but I guess I am so used to just
having a bowl of kibble out for them all the time and letting them
grab it whenever they're hungry, that actual "feeding times" is a
foreign concept to me.

I currently have what is left of 5 chickens for the week. The 5
chickens equals 20 lbs of food for two dogs of approximately 55 and 65
lbs. Is this enough, or do you think I need more? Do I just stagger
the amounts that I give them every day until it is gone? Is it better
to feed one meal a day or more than one? Maybe give them a whole
chicken tomorrow evening, then on Saturday morning, split one in half
and give each a half chicken?

I thought I knew what I was doing, but apparently I don't have it all
down just yet. The good news is that my lab, Lucy, used to have a
little junk in her trunk, and it is day three of the diet and she has
almost completely lost it! And her energy level is up a little more
too. The pit bull is the same as always - skinny and silly.

-Steph
Scarlet (I can eat a thigh in three minutes!)
Lucy (I can eat one in two!)

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2b. Re: Feeding wing and thigh separately to large dogs
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:05 am ((PDT))

"coriowen" <COwen98@...> wrote:
> If I understand you correctly, you are saying that I ought to, once
> in a while, give my Dachshunds a shot at a whole chicken and pick it
> up when I think they have had enough?
*****
I recommend it completely, utterly and with complete confidence that
your dogs will appreciate the gesture.

I have been having a problem
> with my younger Dachshund because she is a gulper, big time!
*****
It has been written here often and not just by me that the best way to
feed a gulper is to feed bigger, not smaller. Big Food (which is of
course relative to the dog) or less big but more complicated food will
slow a dog's progress. In fact, a good complicated and perplexing body
part will stop a gulper in its tracks. Sometimes eating can be a
mindless activity, but at least occasionally a dog should have to solve
its meal before it can eat it.

Good for the belly, good for the brain.

because I feed them twice a day those amounts make the pieces
> smaller and they are not getting the chance to really work at it.
*****
Yes, you've certainly hit that nail on its head! As soon as you can get
your mind around the concept, you should move to one meal a day. If
the Dachshunds need two meals a day, make one bigger than the other.
Then at least one of the meals may be a challenge.

I > fed my Mastiff and my Doberman frozen chicken quarters and it
slowed
> them down immensely, especially my Mastiff, she can almost swallow an
> entire whole chicken!
*****
I hardly ever feed frozen food and when I do it's unintentional. I
feed big food to complicate the feeding process and I feed once a day
or less. If I have to skip a subsequent day (or two) after a
particularly engrossing meal, I do.

I believe you should be feeding your big dogs bigger food than leg
quarters and if your Mastiff sucks down a whole chicken, buy a larger
whole chicken and butterfly it. Or rely on turkeys instead of
chicken. There's nothing magic about chicken.
Chris O

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2c. Re: Feeding wing and thigh separately to large dogs
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:15 am ((PDT))

"steph.sorensen" <steph.sorensen@...> wrote:
If I feed
> them four pounds one day (the whole chicken), do I then wait a
couple
> of days to feed them again?
*****
Well, you could, it's not inappropriate. I do this quite often with
healthy adult dogs.

You could also feed half a four pound chicken. Or you could buy
smaller chickens. They're sold by the pound and they're labeled, so
just look for smaller birds.

If you have a wholesale source, you might be able to get rotisserie
chickens that typically weigh less than three pounds. They're also
known as WOGs or "without guts". Larger than game hens and cheaper.

I guess I am so used to just
> having a bowl of kibble out for them all the time and letting them
> grab it whenever they're hungry, that actual "feeding times" is a
> foreign concept to me.
*****
They ought not be on "actual" feeding times! That's a sure way to
get them to begging and carrying on and vomiting yellow bile because
you've missed a self-appointed--arbitrary--deadline. Feed them when
you get around to it; don't arrange your life around their
feeding "schedule". Try very hard to keep the clock out of your
feeding decisions.

But your dogs should not be free fed either; their physiology is well-
suited to feast/fast. Browsers and grazers free feed. Prey free
feeds. Predators do not.

> > I currently have what is left of 5 chickens for the week. The 5
> chickens equals 20 lbs of food for two dogs of approximately 55 and
65
> lbs. Is this enough, or do you think I need more?
*****
Unless you are feeding them significantly more than 2% of body weight
a day, I'd say you've got 20 week-pounds of bird to sustain
approximately 18 week-pounds of dog. However you want to distribute
it. IMO you have enough.

Do I just stagger
> the amounts that I give them every day until it is gone?
*****
If you choose. The rawfed diet is nothing if not flexible.

Is it better
> to feed one meal a day or more than one? Maybe give them a whole
> chicken tomorrow evening, then on Saturday morning, split one in
half
> and give each a half chicken?
*****
Yes, you can do this as well. So far you have not come up with an
idea that doesn't work!

There is one issue though that you should consider at this early
stage of raw feeding. And that's loose stools. Feeding small is
most likely to avert loose stools, feeding "big" may produce looser
stools than you are accustomed to. I really do recommend you flex
your feeding options, but you may have to introduce the concept
somewhat gently to your dogs. For newbie dogs, perhaps the single
most common cause of loose stools is feeding too much food.

Another week or so of small parts may be in order while you learn
more about your dogs' digestive abilities. Gradually introduce them
to larger chicken hunks--a half bird is less likely to cause
digestive upheaval than a whole bird but it still allows for creative
meals.
Chris O

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3. Re: Different types of meat r/e goat reek.....
Posted by: "JOHN PFAFF" johnpfaff@comcast.net rawfeednewbie
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:51 am ((PDT))

Cynthia,
In my past life or about 30 years ago, I had a grade "A" goat dairy. Any mature buck will have an off odor and taste - castrated juveniles will not. Does do not smell, either.

Is the smell a little bit of skunk and a little bit musty / moldy? If so, you probably fed a mature buck goat. Also the closer to fall, the stronger the smell.

Later,
John.
JOHN PFAFF
----- Original Message -----
From: cynthiabooijblommers
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 7:02 AM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Different types of meat

Hello,
I'm new to this list and have been feeding raw since januari of this
year. Since starting I've been experimenting with different type's of
meat.
In the case of my 2 dogs (american staffordshire terriers) I've found
that when they get goat....they reek, I really mean smell, from their
mouth to their stool.
Is that normal?? And does that occur more often? Fish hasen't been a
problem in that area, aside from a fishhy smell, just the meat.
I find they respond really well to chicken, lamb, cow, duck and
turkey, so I was just curious to how other dogs respond to different
meats.

Secondly, I've got 2 cats, whom I want to switch over also.... What's
best to start with? I have some baby chickens (not sure of English
word, lol) frozen, which they do seem to like, but they just refuse
to eat the chicken I left out for them.
HELP.... I really want them off kibble, but they aren't coöperating :(
Thanks in advance for the tips

Cynthia
Thor, Misty, Hermione and Asjura
The Netherlands

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4a. leg quarters
Posted by: "lhmcmaken" lhmcmaken@yahoo.com lhmcmaken
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:40 am ((PDT))

seem to be the easiest thing for me to feed my two danes. into the
third week now and my bitch is getting fat! so using the leg quarters
I can feed him 3 and her one, with chicken liver. so is that too much
bone? I am hoping to connect with some hunters and get game. wish me
luck!
take care
Lynda and maude and franklin

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4b. Re: leg quarters
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:04 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lhmcmaken" <lhmcmaken@...> wrote:
>
> into the
> third week now and my bitch is getting fat! so using the
> leg quarters
> I can feed him 3 and her one, with chicken liver. so is that
> too much
> bone? I am hoping to connect with some hunters and get game.

No, thats not too much bone. I have 2 Danes. One gets one quarter
and the other gets 2. Thats one meal out of a 2 meal day.

At 3weeks, you should be adding some different protein sources. Put
in a meal or two a week of turkey and see how that works. A week or
so later you might want to add some pork. It's time to start adding
variety.

Connecting with humters is great but don't wait around "hoping" to
connect sometime in the future. Start adding variety now.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4c. Re: leg quarters
Posted by: "Olga" olga.drozd@gmail.com olga_d
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:10 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lhmcmaken" <lhmcmaken@...> wrote:
> so using the leg quarters
> I can feed him 3 and her one, with chicken liver. so is that too much
> bone?

Keep an eye on their stools - that would definitely constipate one of
my dogs, and maybe both.

And just because chicken quarters are the easiest, doesn't mean
they're the best. While a fine starter food, I'd be trying to get
some more variety in there, and aim for some more meaty pieces as well.

Olga

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4d. Re: leg quarters
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:03 am ((PDT))

If that's all you are feeding, yes that's too much bone. Time to start
adding in some meaty meals and some variety.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "lhmcmaken" <lhmcmaken@yahoo.com>

seem to be the easiest thing for me to feed my two danes. into the
third week now and my bitch is getting fat! so using the leg quarters
I can feed him 3 and her one, with chicken liver. so is that too much
bone?

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4e. Re: leg quarters
Posted by: "Denise and David Spotila" brookside_casa@yahoo.com brookside_casa
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:32 am ((PDT))

Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren't leg quarters approx. 27% bone? When I have to feed leg quarters and when I was starting out, I added breast meat to the meal to avoid to much bone in one meal. I now feed leg quarters with beef heart and liver.

David and Denise Spotila

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4f. Re: leg quarters
Posted by: "Olga" olga.drozd@gmail.com olga_d
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:06 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Denise and David Spotila
<brookside_casa@...> wrote:
>
> Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren't leg quarters approx. 27%
> bone?

Yes, I think they're around that. But I still consider them a good
"starting food" for new-to-raw dogs since that bit of extra bone helps
to avoid loose stools.

Now, I give chicken quarters so rarely that I don't really worry about
the bone percentage, the other meals can even it out.

Olga

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5a. Re: New to the raw feeding+dairrhea and worms
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:22 am ((PDT))

"ferrarious" <ferrarious@...> wrote:
> > take the skin off to reduce fat intake
>
> I take the skin off the chicken anyway becouse the toxin that they
> are fed while growing are cincentrated in it. Am I wrong?
*****
Skin should be fed. A beginning dog may have to skip it for a while if
it causes digestive upset but eventually skin should be fed. It's part
of the prey animal, it should be fed.

I believe subQ fat is where the "toxins" are deposited; if you do not
rely heavily on chicken or any other one protein source you are not
likely to overfeed chicken or other concentrated toxins. On the list
of things that worry me about chicken, toxic accumulations are below
Omega 6/3 levels, soy meal, rising prices, overuse and enhancements,
but are possibly above sharp toenails.

Perhaps--when the time comes--removing the easily pluckable fat will be
sufficient?
Chris O

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5b. Re: New to the raw feeding+dairrhea and worms
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:55 am ((PDT))

"cynthiabooijblommers" <cynthiabooijblommers@...> wrote:
>> I'm new to this mailing list, but i thought too much bone in the
diet
> did the opposite??
> When I feed more bone I find that my dogs really have to push :P out
> their droppings.
> Please correct me if I am wrong.
*****
You're not wrong but the issue is less black and white than you
suggest. I've generally found "too much" bone to cause constipation as
well, but I would be hard pressed to say unequivocally it can't
happen. Obviously, if it happens to one person's dogs it can happen to
other dogs as well.

One of the joys of a do-it-yourself raw diet is being able to adjust
indefinitely to meet the changing needs of the dog. This adjusting is
also a responsibility because someone's gotta get the menu right, and
if it isn't you, who? The appropriate amount of edible bone is never
high, but "too much" and the result of "too much" varies. Know your dog!

I do find, when I feed lamb breasts that are fattier and bonier than
usual, that my dogs' stools resemble liquid chalk or whitewash.
Chris O

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6.1. Re: Gulping Was: legumes Unhealthy?
Posted by: "Olga" olga.drozd@gmail.com olga_d
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:10 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Momvella@... wrote:
> Had to push a
> chicken wing down his throat once . Scared the life out of me. From
> now on I grind.

That doesn't mean that he should be allowed to eat whole food, it just
means that chicken wings are too small and just the right size for
"stupid eating" for him. The only way I'd be feeding him a chicken
wing is if it's still attached to the chicken, or at least the chicken
breast section.

Olga

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7a. Re: Weaning pups from Mom to raw
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:10 am ((PDT))

"I started them on chicken -- bone-in breasts -- and simply offered them
with the meat ribboned to let them get started. This at 5 wks. Within a
week, they were stripping all the meat off the gones, and by 7 wks.,, were
eating bone as well. Not sure whether one is "superior" to the other method,
but this worked great for me. I don't own a grinder, and don't intend to buy
one, especially since the Corgi puppies had no problems with "whole" foods."

Hi Anne,
I only started mine on ground since at about 3 1/2 weeks they were trying to
eat moms food; so (don't tell my mother) I had already ground venison burger
(from mom) and that's what they got with goats milk at about 3.5 weeks and 4
weeks. Then on to chicken breast.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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8. feeding mostly chicken
Posted by: "Sue" fordogs@ptd.net agiledogs2000
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:12 am ((PDT))

I've discussed this problem before but still have some questions. My
older dog (9 yr old aussie) has a very sensitive stomach. I've been
feeding raw for about 3 1/2 months now and I continue to have some
problems no matter how small the additional protein that I give with
the chicken meal is. I feed him chicken quarters and quartered
chickens with small amounts of liver or kidney and additional
proteins such as pork or tripe or turkey in small pieces. Beef
really causes problems. He also has, according to my vet, an
enlarged prostate which causes him to do a lot of posturing and
straining at times which does not produce stool. He did this while
eating kibble also.
So when he does finally go, his stool is occasionally large and round
which to me indicates his colon is not working properly. Then there
are times when we have to do a lot of butt washing. I realize hard
and soft stools are both normal and are due to what he's eaten the
past meal or so but my question is, he seems to do best on mostly
chicken and I'm concerned that without adding a lot of varied
proteins that I may be doing him more harm than good. There are also
days that pass without any stool at all. He also has a lot of
discharge from his eyes which he didn't really have initially, could
this still be detox? Sorry for the long post, I only intended to ask
one little question and as I typed I kept thinking of more. On a
brighter note the 1 year old is doing great no matter what I feed him.
Thanks for any help or suggestions.
Sue, Gnat & Slick

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9a. Backpacking - Dehydrated meat?
Posted by: "hydra_lk" lisakrzyzewski@hotmail.com hydra_lk
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:12 am ((PDT))

Hello!
We're taking our dog on his first backpacking trip, and are planning on
feeding him dehydrated meats from the holistic pet food store. It's
only a 3 day trip, but difficult as backpacking goes, as it's a climb
up a mountain followed by a ridge top traverse - every pound counts!
Our dog's been on raw since he was a pup (he's over a year old now),
and this will be the first time he has had this type of food. Since
I've never used it, I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions, or
experience to share?

Thanks!
Lisa

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9b. Re: Backpacking - Dehydrated meat?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:36 am ((PDT))

"hydra_lk" <lisakrzyzewski@...> wrote:
> We're taking our dog on his first backpacking trip, and are planning
on
> feeding him dehydrated meats from the holistic pet food store. It's
> only a 3 day trip, but difficult as backpacking goes, as it's a climb
> up a mountain followed by a ridge top traverse - every pound counts!
*****
A number of backpackers on this list feed big before they leave home,
skip the next day, feed one meal on the trail, then feed again when
they return home. If your dog is at all accustomed to big food, this
may work fine. However, if dehydrated food is your preference, do it.

BUT! Do NOT NOT NOT wait until the big day before introducing it (or
any new food you decide to go with). Decide ASAP what you want to use
and get her used to it ASAP. You do not want to deal with digestive
upheaval on a mountain climb!

ANYTHING that will be new and different--including leash, harness,
bedding, doggybackpack, bedding, water--should be introduced before you
go so that you can tweak and rearrange while you have time. When I was
a kid I always waited til the last minute to do my science projects.
This doesn't mean you should.

Have fun!
Chris O

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10a. Re: possible allergies?
Posted by: "Penny (Nickles) Parker" loverladymaggiemae@yahoo.com loverladymaggiemae
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:30 am ((PDT))

Lindsey,
I think that your assumption is probably right. You already have
gotten some good suggestions on avoiding the outside air and making
sure that your inside air is as clean as possible. Is he really
suffering alot? If not, I would wait it out.......they eventually will
take care of the fire (hopefully!)
Penny & The Menagerie

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11a. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:32 am ((PDT))

Hi,Chris. Maybe it is hard to let you know what exactly i got,so,I put link here

http://www.hare-today.com/product_info.php?products_id=165

This is what I got.

> The cow feet I give to my dogs are whole (although without skin...lucky you!) and much of >the work that goes into tackling a cow foot is getting the skin off.

I think this picture is the hoove part with some fur around(half of what I got).Other half was looking like mostly bone,no fur around.

Palette has never been fed anything with fur,so,I am not sure how she would act. Act like being afraid?? Not sure:-P

Turned out my husband wants to capture the moment with Digital Camera.so,I needed to change my plan,and postpon till Friday/Saturday/ or possibly Sunday when he gets dayoff from work. so,I still have to wait to figure out but interested to see howe palette would act.

The hooves came with cow poo attached on back ofthe hoove. it makes more natural,lol.

I may or maynot wash the poo off from hoove..

Before joining this list,I used to visit Corgi Forum and,I remember that one of the Corgi broke teeth with hoove that is usually pricedaround 99cents each at pet store's.

But then,when I was reading up hoove that greentripe.com sells,it was explained that hoove is raw so, not as hard as the one you findat petsmart for example.

So,I got cow hooves from Hare Today in PA anyway.

>I think you should give the foot try and be there to call it quits if you aren't comfortable with >her performance.

Yes,I think so too. I was curious if any of the members here already tried theirs and if so,how it was.The web did not have review written.

Today,palette turned to 2 years old,and we had fun at backyard again from early morning.

Today,she found a squirrel and chased it,and the squirrel went high up in the tree and palette was growling and barking.

After a few seconds later,squirrel dropped something (possibly acorn or nuts or something??) onto her head twice! and palette was looking up the tree and barking to the squirrel. She was mocked by squirrel but,she had fun with me with ball.

When I looked at her from far side,her fur looked shinier and looked more vivid in color.
She stays calm most of the time,taking naps and such but when we play together both inside the house and outside the house,she look more energetic.

I thought that changing her diet was best choice I ever made.

yassy

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11b. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:04 pm ((PDT))

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
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> I think this picture is the hoove part with some fur around(half
of what I got).Other half was looking like mostly bone,no fur around.
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Oops. Oops again. Sorry, Yassy.
You wrote "hooves" I thought "feet" and that was the end of any
constructive comments on my part.

I don't feed my dogs hooves because hooves are not big enough, or
perhaps because I somehow raise enthusiastic gnawers. Either way, I
don't buy them. If Palette takes her time with bones or likes to
nibble and poke about, my guess is she'll be fine with a raw hoof.
Certainly there are lots of folks who are quite happy with them. As
I wrote in the post you initially referred to, cow feet generally are
the only parts I will feed as "rec" bones.

I gave my BC pup a greentripe.com raw hoof when she was teething.
She gnawed aggressively (in a puppy sort of way) on the edges and in
the middle of the night horked up all her hard work.

You should let Palette have a go at her hoof, then report back with
the results.
Chris O

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12. individual pork rib bones..quick question
Posted by: "lar07911" lar07911@yahoo.com lar07911
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:33 am ((PDT))

Hi all,
I plan to introduce pork this weekend to my girl. I bought individual
pork rib bones with a good amount of meat attached. Since she is only
17 pounds is it ok to just give them to her individually and not
attached like some of the reading I have seen?

Also, are pork neck bones ok to give her? These too are also cut and
in smaller pieces.

I also found pork brisket with ribs inside. That huge slab of meat is
definitely at least 4 meals! Out of the pork I purchased above...which
should I introduce first?

Thanks!

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13a. amount of calcium
Posted by: "swilken61" powrfemme@aol.com swilken61
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:33 am ((PDT))

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone has experinced this. One of my dogs seems very
sensitive to calcium levels in her food. She gets very dry stools if
she has too much. My other girl seems to do fine no matter the amount
of calcium, sometimes she gets as much or more than the other one.

Any ideas, or are they just different? The smaller, seemingly more
tolerant of calcium dog has pancreatitis, the bigger, seemingly less
tolerant had been getting frequent UTIs (three in a year and a half,
don't know yet how the diet will affect this, its only been about three
months).

Thanks for any comment.

stephany

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13b. Re: amount of calcium
Posted by: "Olga" olga.drozd@gmail.com olga_d
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:04 pm ((PDT))

I would go for just different. Of my two dogs, one needs a fair
amount of bone to keep his stools firm, while the other would get
really constipated on that same percentage of bone. The first guy has
an irritable tummy, not sure if that makes a difference.

I have found that I'm able to get him "used to" eating less bone if I
reduce it slowly. But I think a lot of this is an individual thing,
kind of like each dog has their own amount of food that they need to
keep their figure (for one of mine this is about 2.5%, for the other
it's a hair under 2%).

Hope that helps,
Olga

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