Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 11968

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. legumes Unhealthy?
From: kobeesmom
1b. Re: legumes Unhealthy?
From: Giselle
1c. Re: legumes Unhealthy?
From: Yasuko herron

2a. Re: Weaning pups from Mom to raw
From: Tina Berry
2b. Re: Weaning pups from Mom to raw
From: Rebecca Little

3a. Re: chicken egg question need input.
From: costrowski75

4a. ADMIN/Re: dehydrated food
From: costrowski75

5.1. Re: my beagle is vomiting and not eating - lethargic
From: Christina Veit
5.2. Re: my beagle is vomiting and not eating - lethargic
From: Christina Veit
5.3. Re: my beagle is vomiting and not eating - lethargic
From: Casey Post
5.4. Re: my beagle is vomiting and not eating - lethargic
From: Andrea

6a. Do you all rotate Fish oil Brand??
From: Yasuko herron
6b. Re: Do you all rotate Fish oil Brand??
From: Andrea

7a. Re: Second day of raw feeding...
From: Yasuko herron
7b. Feeding wing and thigh separately to large dogs
From: steph.sorensen

8a. Re: chicken eggs
From: MustBLuvSpaniels@aol.com
8b. Re: chicken eggs
From: Sonja

9a. PIG HEAD AND MAGGOTS...
From: LaUrA
9b. Re: PIG HEAD AND MAGGOTS...
From: Andrea
9c. Re: PIG HEAD AND MAGGOTS...
From: PAM CURL

10.1. Re: Why not to feed raw with kibble
From: darkstardog

11a. Re: Panting and lethargy
From: Andrea

12a. Re: Frothy vomit
From: Nathalie Poulin

13a. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
From: Yasuko herron

14. Are goldfish ok to eat?
From: Mary Whetsel

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1a. legumes Unhealthy?
Posted by: "kobeesmom" Momvella@aol.com kobeesmom
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:31 am ((PDT))

Have a quick question . I made up a batch of raw food for Kobi. Needed
some veggies so I used a package of frozen Broccoli mix. It had some
pinto beans in the mix. I never heard of uncooked beans being
dangerous but I read in this months dog Journal mag that they are if
there uncooked. I made a 2 month supply. Do I have to throw this out?
Anybody else heard of this? Thanks in advance for the replies.
Cindy

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1b. Re: legumes Unhealthy?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:54 am ((PDT))

Hi, Cindy!
Throw it out. ALL veggies are species INappropriate and
therefore unhealthy for dogs.

Buy some nice whole raw chickens and feed them to Kobi.

Raw meat, edible bones and organs are all he needs to be healthy.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Have a quick question . I made up a batch of raw food for Kobi. Needed
> some veggies so I used a package of frozen Broccoli mix. It had some
> pinto beans in the mix. I never heard of uncooked beans being
> dangerous but I read in this months dog Journal mag that they are if
> there uncooked. I made a 2 month supply. Do I have to throw this out?
> Anybody else heard of this? Thanks in advance for the replies.
> Cindy
>

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1c. Re: legumes Unhealthy?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:01 am ((PDT))

>I used a package of frozen Broccoli mix

Hi.This list is for raw feeding and I don't think peopleon thislist don't feed home cooked food to dogs and don't feed veggie too.

One thing,I think I have readsomewhere that broccoli surpress thyroid function.

I maybe wrong,but certain veggie aggrevitate dogs knee if dog were having arthritis and certain veggie surpress thyroid function as well.

I don't know about bean but I know that Macadamia nuts are fatal to dog andshould not be fed.

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2a. Re: Weaning pups from Mom to raw
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:36 am ((PDT))

"Hi everyone, I am needing help with weaning puppies from Mom's milk to a
raw diet. I am new to feeding a raw diet and never had puppies raised on a
raw diet and very excited to have a litter raised on raw.Could someone
please help me with this. Thanks in advance for any help you guys can
offer."

I started mine on ground meat and organic goats milk at 4 weeks; I started
with ground venison, that at around 5 weeks they started playing with
chicken wings, not really eating the bone, but tearing the meat off; then at
around 6 weeks they were eating bone in breast (again, not all of the bone
yet really) but it quickly moves on from their. They were not on ground for
very long.
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2b. Re: Weaning pups from Mom to raw
Posted by: "Rebecca Little" pbgs@delhitel.net canucme278
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:01 am ((PDT))

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I did ground turkey and goats milk and they had NO problem at all switching over matter of fact they were FAR easier then trying to get them to eat the junk dog food manufacturers say they should eat!
Rebecca Little
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3a. Re: chicken egg question need input.
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:45 am ((PDT))

, MustBLuvSpaniels@... wrote:
>
> One of my dog is allergic to chicken, should I assume he is also
allergic to
> chicken eggs, or are they different?
*****
If your dog is allergic to chicken, chicken eggs are probably not such
a hot idea. How do you know your dog is allergic to chicken?
Chris O

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4a. ADMIN/Re: dehydrated food
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:52 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tamarabajema" <tamarabajema@...>
wrote:
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> I have seen that feeding dehydrated food as a treat is not uncommon,
so
> I am assuming that it is okay to do.
*****
Tamara, you can feed dehyrated food as a treat and many foods are quite
suitable for dehydrating. But the process of dehydrating is off topic
for the Rawfeeding list and "how to" posts will be rerouted.

Please everyone, take all dehydrating conversations to RawChat.
Chris O
Mod Team

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5.1. Re: my beagle is vomiting and not eating - lethargic
Posted by: "Christina Veit" friztin@earthlink.net FRIZTIN
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:04 am ((PDT))

"Chicken necks and hearts are pretty small and don't require much in
the way of chewing. Does Joe finish his dinner really quickly? "

Well, He normally do gulps whatever he finds. I was hand feeding him at
first (and when fed him necks) to make sure he wasn't eating too fast, so he
ate piece by piece. This particular meal, he ate it directly from the bowl
because didn't have the necks..
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"It was the mixture of veggies et all that he ate before he
vomited the first time, right?"

Yeah, it was a mix (my husband just told me it was the lunch what he
vomited... it actually was in his stomach for about 4 hours before he
vomited it totally undigested). I feel very guilty right now :(
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"Many owners think their dog is sad at first when in fact, they are just
calm for the first time"
Oh no.. this is not normal, is not just lack of activity, he is really
depressed. He wouldn't come if I call him, no eat or drink. He was very
"serious" the first days, he didn't want to play much, just wanted to eat

"How are Joe's poops?"
The poops are small and in good thick consistency. They are just a little
bit more pasty that the first days. I'm taking him outside right now.. let's
see how is today.
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He might just have an upset stomach and he doesn't feel like eating until
he's better. You could fast him for
today and offer some water and the broth you made to give him fluids.

I thought so. Well he already fasted yesterday, do you think that fasting
him today again would be appropriate? I just offered him a dollop of yogurt
with no luck, he looks at me like telling me "are you crazy? This smell like
^%$%$#". Like it makes him sicker... that happens with anything, even raw
lean meat. The only food I have handy right now I think it would work is
ground lean meat (for human consumption, which will eventually end in some
yummy hamburgers)
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I will wait a little bit more before taking him to the vet. You are right, I
don't need to give the Vet any details about what he exactly ate... I want
to see if he feels better during the day. If not I will take him in the
afternoon. I will need to go shopping for some quarters. Thanks for your
reply... I will keep you guys posted.

Christina.

p.s.: ah... he is getting some gas coming out from his rear end now!! :\

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5.2. Re: my beagle is vomiting and not eating - lethargic
Posted by: "Christina Veit" friztin@earthlink.net FRIZTIN
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:14 am ((PDT))

Ok, we went outside and he has diarrhea; I think the color was normal but
not the consistency. He walks but he's kind of weak. He lost some weight
already (now he looks like he is in shape.. he was a little bit overweight 2
days ago).

How much time should I let him fast? I don't want him to get dehydrated :(
I'm about to force him to drink some water at least :/

Christina

p.s.: panicked yet...

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5.3. Re: my beagle is vomiting and not eating - lethargic
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:26 am ((PDT))

>>We have been remodeling our house (the dog haven't been
> into anything, I'm 300% sure of that, since he's confined to other parts
> of
> the house), so there have been some changes going on... that made me think
> he was maybe depressed or stressed because of that.

Is there anything like paints or glues involved? Anything that gives off
fumes may be affecting him even if he's in another part of the house...and
his liver is much smaller than yours, so toxins like that will affect him
first.

> Any idea of what may be happening to him? What should I do... just let him
> fasten until he's ready to eat again? Should I be worried? My husband is
> looking at me like I was experimenting with the poor dog :/

Without knowing the detail of the remodel, I would have to guess that he's
unwell for some reason. FWIW, it most likely wasn't what you were feeding
him - no, the whole necks and veggies thing wasn't the best plan, but dogs
are pretty darn flexible in their abilities to eat less than ideal diets for
periods of time (otherwise, they'd all drop dead on kibble, right?).

How is his gum color? His temperature?

Casey

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5.4. Re: my beagle is vomiting and not eating - lethargic
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:00 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Christina Veit" <friztin@...> wrote:
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> Ok, we went outside and he has diarrhea; I think the color was normal
> but not the consistency.

That's ok. If he was able to wait to go outside and find a spot to poo
it isn't diarrhea, it's just loose stools. It's what you would expect
from eating a rich meal like hearts. Diarrhea is uncontrollable
explosive watery poo. Too much/too rich/too new food doesn't cause
diarrhea and dogs with true diarrhea should probably be taken to the
vet, at least IMO.

> How much time should I let him fast? I don't want him to get
> dehydrated :(

If he's still acting like he doesn't feel good you should let him fast
another day. Make sure lots of water is available if he wants it and
try giving him some homemade broth.

Andrea

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6a. Do you all rotate Fish oil Brand??
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:05 am ((PDT))

Hi. I was reading magazine called Whole Dog Journal. One of the article this month was talking about dietting.

It said that since each offer their own unique combination of nutrients,it helps to rotate.
I am not sure if I interpret as writer is thinking and it may not be about Fish oil but other Vitamin supplements.

But I was curious if everybody rotate fish oil brand A to brand B etc.

It make sense that some months,feed Fish oil (oil from herring,anchovi etc)and some months Salmon oil(salmon),but do you do that?

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6b. Re: Do you all rotate Fish oil Brand??
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:03 am ((PDT))

I don't intentionally rotate brands, but it happens since Itchy Pants
Geiger has a reaction to so many brands. Once apon a time I gave
Geiger fish oil that didn't make him itchy, but it was early on in
our raw journey and I didn't realize that this was a rarity so I
didn't make a note of the brand. Since then it's been hide and go
seek with the fish oil. I buy a brand. . .give it go Geiger. . .he
ends up itchy. . .Tycho gets the rest. . .I buy a new brand for
Geiger.

I hear tell that Wallmart has a soy free fish oil, but I haven't
gotten over there to check it out for myself. Anyone have ideas?
I'm up for salmon, herring, liquid, capsules, you name it.

Back to the original question (sorry about the digression, Yassy), if
and when I find a fish oil that works with Mr. Itchy Pants I doubt
I'll let it slip away again.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:

> But I was curious if everybody rotate fish oil brand A to brand B
etc.

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7a. Re: Second day of raw feeding...
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:06 am ((PDT))

>Lucy, my black lab, is a picky eater, so I was worried about how she would deal with being >handed a chicken carcass. She was finished 20 minutes before my pit bull, who took
>hers over by a huge tree that she likes to lay next to and just nibbled for about 45 >minutes.

First of all,congratulation andwelcome to rawfeeding. Weare glad to hear you are doing great.

>I gave each of them a wing and a thigh the first day,

I am curious but did you feed separated wing and thigh to your dog?? It maybe better to be attached to other part of chicken for thesize of your dog.

You may read quite bit people telling others to cut the whole chicken into 4 parts or more to desired portion of the dogs.Buying a whole chicken is cheaper than getting bunch of each parts and more engaging meal for dog.

> then the body carcass (including all the breast meat) this morning. Tomorrow
>evening, they each get another wing and thigh, along with the organs that were packaged >along with the bird.

You may want to give organ after you see poo without mucous,and know that your dog do well on chicken without organ first. Moving too fast makes dogs tummy upset.

> I figured that each dog can get through a 4 lb bird in 3 days (they weigh 55lbs and 65lbs).

>The poop is hard with a coating of mucous, which I expected.

Wait till you see poo without mucous and maybe you can try chicken with organ(only smidge) .

First week,I fed just plain chicken and no organ. My dog accepted very well and no mucous poo.So,2nd week, I tried chicken liver smidge and fed chicken the second week. She did fine.

So, 3rd week,I moved on to Beef but organ stayed chicken liver,not like Beef liver.

You want to move slowly baby steps and then, you want to introduce new thing one at a time. THat makes easier for you to identify what is causing you a prob and you can tweak the dogs diet from there.

> I can't wait until their first taste of lamb, venison and pork!

Yeap,but be slow,and be patient.Too much food,Too much fat,too much new food too soon cause upset tummy too.

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7b. Feeding wing and thigh separately to large dogs
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:03 am ((PDT))

I wrote:
> >I gave each of them a wing and a thigh the first day,
>
Yassy wrote: I am curious but did you feed separated wing and
thigh to your dog?? It maybe better to be attached to other part of
chicken for thesize of your dog.
>
Answer:

Yes, I did separate, but that is only because I know how my dogs
eat. They are not rushers and prefer to take the time to chew
thoroughly. I knew it would be okay doing it this way. Besides, I
think it will make the chicken last longer, because if I just gave
them the whole bird, they would sit there until they ate the whole
bird in one sitting! I don't want them eating that much. There is
always the option of taking it away from them after a while in order
to save some, but since I'm not having issues with separating the
pieces, I'll continue to do it that way.

And thanks for the info about organ meat. I will keep it in the
fridge and try to give them some next week. I have been reading up
with all the cool sites I've been given and I am going to introduce
other meats slowly.

-Steph
Scarlet and Lucy

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8a. Re: chicken eggs
Posted by: "MustBLuvSpaniels@aol.com" MustBLuvSpaniels@aol.com mustbluvspaniels
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:08 am ((PDT))

no problens before, He know eats turkey, beef, pork and venision. All with
no issues. I give eggs to my other dog , but am afraid to give them to the
allergic dog. My allergic dog also gets swollen ears and feet, hot spots if he
gets salmon oil. Lisa

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8b. Re: chicken eggs
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:04 am ((PDT))

I glad that there's another dog out there that has this reaction to chicken...I thought mine was the only one! I gave my dog some chicken liver a few weeks ago and she's STILL chewing the heck out of her paws. It's frustrating because it takes weeks to get out of her system, and I can't try any new proteins until she's healed. Then it just gets more frustrating if she has a bad reaction to the new protein. We have a vicious cycle going on over here!

Sonja

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9a. PIG HEAD AND MAGGOTS...
Posted by: "LaUrA" laurasue17@hotmail.com angel_2_u_23
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:14 am ((PDT))

Okay so we got a free pig head from the butcher when we went to go pick up the dog food last week. So we had put the pig head in the little plastic pool (we have one of those plastic kiddie pools for the dogs to cool off in). Eventually we thought they ate it all. We couldn't find it anywhere. Turns out Zoey buried it cuz she so kindly (not!) brought it in the house with her this morning full of dirt, when I wasn't watching (we have the doggie door). I later found her chewing away on what little was left of the head. She got up and walked away from it to follow me around as dogs do and I went to grab a plastic bag cuz that thing was grossing me out and I wanted to throw it out. I went to go pick it up and there were maggots everywhere on the carpet. I freaked out. I hurried up and cleaned up any remnants of the pig head and attempted to vacuum, but our vacuum is apparently still broken. So I got online really quick to search for a method to remove maggots from your carpet. I kept reading that the best method is to pour boiling water mixed with bleach on them. SO I did, but now I have splashes of bleached carpet. Steven is going to kill me. I think most them are dead or gone. I have wiped with a rag and sprayed with bug spray. I feel like I have tried it all. I stand around staring at the carpet looking to see if there is more or not. Analyzing the carpet is killing my back. Now I worry and wonder about the dogs. Will they be okay or will they get sick? Do you know anything else I can do about the carpet? Ever have this happen to you? OH man I have the creepy crawlers now. I am so grossed out. I am paranoid they will be everywhere. Any suggestions about the carpet or the dogs? The dogs "seem" fine right now. I am on digest with a lot of groups so if you know anything at all that can help me quickly please email me directly at laurasue17@hotmail.com
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9b. Re: PIG HEAD AND MAGGOTS...
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:03 am ((PDT))

Yikes. All I can say is yikes.

Umm, as far as eating the gross head, the dogs should be fine. They
just got some extra protein from the maggots is all. However, I'd
keep them out of the living room for a while if I were you. Bleach
and bug spray residue will make them a lot sicker than the maggots
will.

I wish I had some advice on the carpet, but I can't think of anything
right now. Maybe you could rent one of those steam cleaners and give
the carpet a good deep cleaning? Go out and get a nice throw rug to
sit over the bleached spot?

Andrea

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> I went to go pick it up and there were maggots everywhere on the
carpet. I freaked out. I hurried up and cleaned up any remnants of
the pig head and attempted to vacuum, but our vacuum is apparently
still broken. So I got online really quick to search for a method to
remove maggots from your carpet. I kept reading that the best method
is to pour boiling water mixed with bleach on them. SO I did, but
now I have splashes of bleached carpet. Steven is going to kill me.
I think most them are dead or gone. I have wiped with a rag and
sprayed with bug spray.

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9c. Re: PIG HEAD AND MAGGOTS...
Posted by: "PAM CURL" bpcurl@verizon.net bpcurl
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:04 am ((PDT))

Actually you did more then needed to be done with the carpet. All you
have to do is just pick up the maggots and throw them away. There aren't
any hidden "things" from them. If you should happen to miss one, it will
simply develop into a fly. Maggots are "baby" or pre- flies.
As far as your dog eating them--they are just protein, no harm done there
either.
Sorry you have bleach spots on your carpet :-( . Now have a glass of
wine or a cup of tea and relax!!!!
Pam C

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10.1. Re: Why not to feed raw with kibble
Posted by: "darkstardog" darkstardog@charter.net darkstardog
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:15 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cypressbunny" <cypressbunny@...>
wrote:
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> *** There is no question that the dog stomach produces amylase
> and/or amylase precursors. I can point you to that research if you
> care that much. Even carnivores need to process a small quantity of
> carbs--liver has lots of glycogen, for example.
>

Okay, I've never heard that the stomach secretes amylase. So I'd be
interested in the research.
That there's a small amount of amylase in the blood supply in the
stomach, or in the individual cells of the stomach, or possibly some
pancreatic amylase in the stomach contents due to reflux from the
intestine - that would make sense. But as far as an enzyme secreted
into the stomach for digestion of food, that's new to me.

There is definitely amylase produced by the pancreas which is
available to digest carbs in the intestine.

Marty

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11a. Re: Panting and lethargy
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:00 am ((PDT))

Am I correct in remembering that this is the pup's 3rd or so day
eating raw? It sounds to me like the little guy has a tummy ache.
You fed a lot of food at first, which can cause digestive upset, and
today he's had pork and chicken and two eggs. I'm all for giving
pups variety quickly, but if he's not feeling his best you should
stick with plain old boring chicken quarters. FWIW neither of my
dogs can eat two eggs in a day without getting gurgly tummies/sulfur
farts/ loose stool.

Ideally, yes, small pups should eat several times a day. From what I
gather this is because a small pup's digestive system isn't equipped
to digest a whole day's worth of food at once, and as they get older
they can eat bigger meals without losing the nutrients to loose
sloppy poo. Yes, you want a healthy pup, but you don't want to let
him become a roly poly either.

If this was the first time the pupster tried pork and/or eggs, I
think we have pinpointed the reason for the lack of energy. I know
it's hard to hold back on variety when there are so many cool things
you can feed, but for now stick with plain old chicken until he gets
the hang of things. Small meals for now so his tummy recovers, a day
of small meals won't hurt him, I promise. Let us know how he and you
are doing.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "ptmagi" <ptmagi@...> wrote:

> I did withhold his dinner last night, and tried to be creative today
> in filling him up without taxing him. Gave him a 1# piece of bone-
> in pork shoulder that he worked on for almost an hour before trying
> to "bury" it. Scooped it up and put it in the frig. At lunchtime
> he was still/again acting pretty lethargic, so I gave him a couple
> of raw eggs. He had NO idea what to do with them. I finally
> punctured them so he could see it was a familiar food and he
> scarfed them down. Then gave him the remaining bit of pork
> shoulder (mostly bone by this time) from his breakfast.
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> when dinnertime rolled around five hours later I gave him a 12
> ounce chicken leg quarter.

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12a. Re: Frothy vomit
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:01 am ((PDT))

Thanks for your input.
She started drinking the water in the morning, but she
was still a little off. Anyways I had to go out, and
when I came back she was full of energy and seemingly
back to her old self.
She ate a bone-in turkey breast (faster than she
normally would) and with a few coughing hacks, she
seems to be fully recovered.

Maybe she got into something in the garbage that we
didn't notice, anyways not sure.

Nathalie

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> If it were enhanced it would say so on the package.
> Enhancement is
> not really the gremlin its sometimes touted to be
> anyway. It's
> often a convenient thing to blame digestive problems
> on when you
> can't find anything else.

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13a. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:01 am ((PDT))

>I am a big fan of whole cow feet, not hooves--feet

Hi,Chris. I wasreading up old post and found this post from you.

I have got Cow hooves from hare today gone tomorrow in PA(it is so huge! andweigh about 5lb,but it was cut into half and one is as much length as my tip of finger to elbows,maybe about 1 foot for cutted one part?).

and,I was planning to give it to palette to have fun time tomorrow(tomorrow is her BD).

The one I got is with fur. About palm size is cow hooves and second half is looking foot with fur.

Is this too th breaker or something?

I normally not comfortable feeding any animal's leg part except poultry but, I thought this big cow hooves/foot will be ok thinking she would not crunch down the bone.

I of course going to supervise her but,is this dangerous thing to try feed for fun??

Anyone has fed Cow hooves from Haretoday gone tomorrow in PA??

If so,would you tell me how your dogs were?

thanks,

yassy

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14. Are goldfish ok to eat?
Posted by: "Mary Whetsel" chickiboo@gmail.com cooljavachic
Date: Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:05 am ((PDT))

I have a bit of a pond goldfish overpopulation issue that needs to be
resolved. I hate to just kill the fish... I've tried giving them
away, but have had little or no luck. Now that I'm raw feeding, I'm
wondering if they'd make decent food?

My cats are resisting the move to raw and I thought the fish might be
extra tempting, but I suppose if people feed whole fish to dogs it
might broaden their diet too. The problem is that I can't seem to
find any information on whether or not goldfish are appropriate to
eat. They are Comet Goldfish anywhere between 3 and 7 inches long.
They've been in my pond, no chemical treatment... What do you think?
Would you feed the excess goldfish to your pets?

-Mary

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