[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11975

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
From: costrowski75

2.1. Re: constipation
From: Linda Edgington

3a. Re: Week 2
From: crhyne39

4a. can I feed another protein early?
From: massonrita
4b. Re: can I feed another protein early?
From: Nathalie Poulin

5. Stewing duck, sharp bones?
From: Sonja

6.1. Re: rec/wreck bones (was: legumes Unhealthy?)
From: Denise and David Spotila

7a. Re: amount of calcium
From: Nathalie Poulin

8a. I'm getting discouraged
From: Linda Edgington
8b. Re: I'm getting discouraged
From: Monica

9a. Intro - Newbie
From: Renate Hotchkiss
9b. Re: Intro - Newbie
From: Brandi Bryant

10a. Rawfeeding Small Dogs
From: Jeanne Faletti
10b. Re: Rawfeeding Small Dogs
From: Michelle LaFay
10c. Re: Rawfeeding Small Dogs
From: Denise Strother

11a. Backpacking - Dehydrated meat?
From: Lori Poirier

12a. Please help! How to feed a 1.5lb puppy??
From: Monica
12b. Re: Please help! How to feed a 1.5lb puppy??
From: chaparraltrail

13. The Care and Feeding of Mastiffs
From: Marisa Ammons

14a. Re: This vegetarian met her match in a turkey! Help!
From: cmhausrath

15a. Re: Lily Update
From: Carrie Kelly

16a. Confused
From: dawn_rescue

17a. Re: Losing Hair
From: susan holbeck
17b. Re: Losing Hair
From: Carol Wimmer

18a. Re: This vegetarian met her match in a turkey! Help!
From: Brandi Bryant

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1a. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:09 pm ((PDT))

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
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> >I don't feed my dogs hooves because hooves are not big enough,
>
> No,Chris.It IS Huge! The size is about palm size or more.andhalf of
hooves are weighing 5lb and other half is about 5lb the web says and
it is real heavy big ones.
>
> Is this small?? I have never seen hooves other than the things at
pets' mart(theirs are quite small),so,my judging will be different.
*****
Holy moly! No, that's not small at all! I tried enlarging the
picture on the Hare Today page but could not. Sounds like you have
made a great score. These are not at all like any cow hooves I've
met. Good for you!

I don't think I'll be telling my dogs about Palette's good fortune.
Chris O

>
> But yes,I wait till this weekends and I report back to you all.
>
> Hopefully,she will enjoy that.
>
> thanks,
>
> yassy
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2.1. Re: constipation
Posted by: "Linda Edgington" lindagail849@yahoo.com lindagail849
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:10 pm ((PDT))

In the last 5 days Giz has had, chicken thighs, to whick I took most of the skin off, I was worried about diarrhea, and went the other way instead. He had gizzards which I fed as one meal, and large pieces of beef stew meat. Oh and just a dot of liver. Today there has been no poop, so far. I am feeding him twice a day, cause I feed Sass (cat) twice a day. I would love to get her to eat once a day, but she doesn't eat all of it at one sitting. Linda
Laurie Swanson <laurie@mckinneyphoto.com> wrote: Linda,

Sounds fun! :-)

I don't think you've said exactly what you're feeding yet. If you
give details, we can help you better.

The general idea is to replicate/assemble a whole prey animal, which
is usually around 80% meat, 10% bone, and 10% organs. The 10% bone
doesn't mean 10% of his meals have bone in them, but that about 10%
of his intake is edible bone. This is just something to keep in mind
over the long term. You don't need to worry about meals being
perfect, or be calculating all the time. But that helped me to
visualize the amount of meat, bone, and organs to feed. That said,
some dogs do better with more or less bone, also, so it's just an
approximation. You can buy whole chickens, cut them up, and feed
them--there you've got some whole prey! If you buy chicken parts,
just know that legs and wings are bonier than breasts, so you can
alternate those with breasts, or with some boneless meats maybe.
When that's going well, you can start adding in more variety.

You and he will get the hang of this. There is often an adjustment
period, and a learning curve. Kibble has fillers and bulking agents
which regulate the stool, but it's not healthy, as you know.

Keep asking questions,

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Linda Edgington <lindagail849@...>
wrote:
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> he is actually straining to poop and I have to "pinch" it out.
Gross, I know. But on other times it is loose or sticks to his hair
anyway. He has had more baths than a dog should have I'm sure. Yes
he has prob had more bone than just meat. How often should bone be
fed? Once a week? or more.

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3a. Re: Week 2
Posted by: "crhyne39" crhyne39@bellsouth.net crhyne39
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:11 pm ((PDT))

> ******Yes, I have 2 suggestions. First, I would still stick pretty
> heavily to the chicken since they are doing well with it, but you
> could try pork or beef as a next option. (Lamb, venison, etc. tends
> to be richer so wouldn't be my first choice). The second suggestion
> I have is to definitely cut back some from the 3% when you try
> the "new" meat. You will want to know whether it was the meat that
> gave runny stools, not the amount, if you have a problem. You could
> always do a bit of chicken and a bit of something else too if really
> concerned. Not sure the size of your dogs, but pork shoulders work
> good for my big guys.
>
> Marguerita
>
Thanks, the three dogs are a APBT (60lbs), English Setter/Lab cross
(60lbs), and a Chiuahuah/Jack Russell cross (16lbs). I have a cow
tongue for them in the fridge. I guess I can add some to the chicken
and see how they do.
Chris R.

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4a. can I feed another protein early?
Posted by: "massonrita" johnmasson@look.ca massonrita
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:12 pm ((PDT))

Hi All,

I started feeding my Standard Poodle raw last weekend and things are
going great! I"ve been giving him half a chicken at each of his two
feedings each day this week thus far. His stool looks a bit dry with
some bone in it which I understand will start to digest better as his
digestive juices develope better. I've been adjusting his meat ratio a
bit to accomodate for the dry stool so I expect things to look a bit
softer in the morning. He seems to be adjusting very well to the new
regime. My question is can I introduce pork as a new protein prior to
the full week since he's doing so well ( he seems to be a bit bored with
the chicken compared to the first two days he got it). I was thinking
of giving him some pork shoulder and necks on friday along with a bit of
liver and heart, am I moving too fast?

Thanks in advance for the groups expert advice,

Rita and Revo in T.O

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4b. Re: can I feed another protein early?
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:47 pm ((PDT))

Hey,

I figured since my dog was a pup and took so well to
the meat that I had given her, I fed her chicken for
about 2-3 days, then started her on goat, pork and
lamb, all within the first week. I also went with
bone-in turkey breast.
While I had to contend with a little loose stool, it
really was worth it.
Now she eats whatever raw I put in front her (except
liver, which has to be frozen for her to even THINK
about eating it).
I think it's up to you to gauge how your dog reacts.
If you think your dog is up for it, then by all means,
give'r!

Nathalie

My question is can I introduce pork as a
> new protein prior to
> the full week since he's doing so well ( he seems to
> be a bit bored with
> the chicken compared to the first two days he got
> it). I was thinking
> of giving him some pork shoulder and necks on friday
> along with a bit of liver and heart, am I moving too
fast?

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5. Stewing duck, sharp bones?
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:18 pm ((PDT))

Are bones from stewing duck (older duck) more brittle and sharp than those of a regular old chicken? When I was cutting up a duck for the first time a few weeks ago I noticed it, and noticed the same thing on a second one I cut up yesterday. Has anyone had any problems feeding a whole older duck? Normally I wouldn't be concerned, but i gashed myself pretty good a few times and that has never happened on a chicken....

Sonja

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6.1. Re: rec/wreck bones (was: legumes Unhealthy?)
Posted by: "Denise and David Spotila" brookside_casa@yahoo.com brookside_casa
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:48 pm ((PDT))

My guy's have a great workout with a untrimmed beef brisket, if I really want to keep them busy big beef rib slabs.

David and Denise Spotila

Brookside Casa
Standard Poodles
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7a. Re: amount of calcium
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:48 pm ((PDT))

What do you mean by calcium? Are you giving them
supplements?
What exactly do you feed your dogs?

Nathalie

> Just wondering if anyone has experinced this. One of
> my dogs seems very
> sensitive to calcium levels in her food. She gets
> very dry stools if
> she has too much. My other girl seems to do fine no
> matter the amount
> of calcium, sometimes she gets as much or more than
> the other one.
>

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8a. I'm getting discouraged
Posted by: "Linda Edgington" lindagail849@yahoo.com lindagail849
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:48 pm ((PDT))

Now after a bout of hard of poop we are at a soft poop. Is there a happy medium here somewhere? I'm tired of cleaning up dog butt. I had some babywipes left over from my grandson that were all dried up and put warm water over them and am using that. My poor little boy fur baby, he is soo embarrased. I'm going to give him *another* bath and go to the groomers and have his butt shaved. Maybe that will help in the clean up part, but I can't wait to get him into regular, healthy poops. So for two days he has had just meat, cause he couldn't poop, now back to bones? I just don't know what to do anymore.

Linda

PS,,,,,,,,my cat switched over like a trooper. But she is much younger, just turned 1 year old and Giz has had 7 years of crap in a bag. Poor baby!

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8b. Re: I'm getting discouraged
Posted by: "Monica" mommyof2gals@comcast.net mommyof2gals
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:20 pm ((PDT))

Hi Linda. I have one dog (Keeshond, 4yrs raw, 60lbs) who is
NOTORIOUSLY sensitive in the BM department. It can definitely be
frustrating.

He needs bone at every meal. The chicken quarter ratio seems to work
really well. If I give him something bonier like ribs, I'll add in a
little (LITTLE - like ONE!)boneless pork loin chop (small) or I'll
use that opportunity to add in the gizzards, heart, liver etc. in
small amounts.

He has NEVER tolerated an all meat meal. Its just not in his makeup.
We watch his stools closely..if they start to look dry, we add
organs/extra meat. If they look loose pork neck bones or ribs will
fix the problem.

It all comes down to hit or miss, and understanding your dog's
digestive track.

FWIW...my other dog (Same breed, same size, age 8) can eat anything,
anytime with no bowel upsets. So they are all obviously different.

Monica in IL

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9a. Intro - Newbie
Posted by: "Renate Hotchkiss" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:50 pm ((PDT))

I'm not sure what the proper etiquette is on this list, intro or not, but
I'm new here. I am owned by a poodle/border collie cross (10yo) and 2 shih
tzus both just over a year but totally unrelated and came to me almost a
year apart. I also foster for Tiny Paws Dog Rescue, Canada. A new foster
is really into raw feeding and that got me very interested. I've spend a
few hours reading Jane's info and the links quoted on her site. I just had
a gut feeling this is where I need to go next. One of my tzus is really
loving agility so I want her in prime condition. So I came looking for more
information and also about switch-over programs (they're all on Canidae now
- the 2 fosters at the moment are tzus that have been fed exclusively
chicken wieners and ham sandwich spread for the last year, since the
previous owner got them). I've searched the messages and learned that
cold-turkey is the way to go, but these 2 fosters are a digestive mess as it
is (I've only had them a couple of days) and I've been trying to wean them
over to the Canidae.

Oh, I also have 2 cats, one too fat and one too thin - both on Felidae.

So if anyone has any immediate comments or advice, or scolding, or whatever,
please feel free. I'm very happy to be here and hope to learn lots, and
hopefully in time be able to give back too.
Thanks for having me.

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9b. Re: Intro - Newbie
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:23 pm ((PDT))

***AND THE MODERATORS WILL REMIND YOU: TRIM YOUR MESSAGES!***

Hi, I kinda new also, but I've learned A LOT from this group and yes
you made the right choice by joining! They're GREAT!

They will tell you to start out with chicken - whole chickens cut them
into portions and feed them to your dogs. Or anything chicken
breasts, leg quarters, thighs. Stay on chicken for a good week or
two, if they're doing alright with that then you can add another
protein - like turkey or pork.

Feed twice a day, if not once is alright. You want to feed 2 - 3% of
your dogs body weight - if they are skinny feed a little more or if
they are "fluffy" as they call it here feed them less. You want to
feed 80% meat, 10% bone and 10% organ. Be careful with organs - liver
is better (did i get that right, guys?) - heart is great for them ???
when giving organs for the first time only little bits at a time. It
can cause diaherra if you give too much.

Have left anything out? If I have they will fill in the blanks or
give you more information along with what i just gave you.

OH, and they will tell you not to think so much!!!

Hang in there, good luck
Brandi
Bartlesville, OK

On 8/29/07, Renate Hotchkiss <renate.tideswell@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
>
>
>
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> I'm not sure what the proper etiquette is on this list, intro or not, but
> I'm new here. I am owned by a poodle/border collie cross (10yo) and 2 shih
> tzus both just over a year but totally unrelated and came to me almost a
> year apart. I also foster for Tiny Paws Dog Rescue, Canada. A new foster
> is really into raw feeding and that got me very interested. I've spend a
> few hours reading Jane's info and the links quoted on her site. I just had
> a gut feeling this is where I need to go next. One of my tzus is really
> loving agility so I want her in prime condition. So I came looking for more
> information and also about switch-over programs (they're all on Canidae now
> - the 2 fosters at the moment are tzus that have been fed exclusively
> chicken wieners and ham sandwich spread for the last year, since the
> previous owner got them). I've searched the messages and learned that
> cold-turkey is the way to go, but these 2 fosters are a digestive mess as it
> is (I've only had them a couple of days) and I've been trying to wean them
> over to the Canidae.
>
> Oh, I also have 2 cats, one too fat and one too thin - both on Felidae.
>
> So if anyone has any immediate comments or advice, or scolding, or whatever,
> please feel free. I'm very happy to be here and hope to learn lots, and
> hopefully in time be able to give back too.
> Thanks for having me.
>
> --
> Renate
> 'The more I learn about men, the more I love my Shih Tzu'
>
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>

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10a. Rawfeeding Small Dogs
Posted by: "Jeanne Faletti" jackienjeanne@talktalk.net
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:52 pm ((PDT))

Hi All,

My name is Jeanne and I am new to this list and to rawfeeding. I have an 8 year old bulldog, Floyd, and a 5 year old Chihuahua, Kushti. I am drawn towards rawfeeding but have two reservations. The first is that both dogs are healthy i.e. no allergies or recurrent illnesses, and I keep remembering the old adage 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'! The second is, is it suitable for the Chihuahua, well she's a cross with a border terrier, I have been told by another Chi owner that she's been told that their teeth are not strong enough to chew bones. Nevertheless I do give her a bone now and then but she only pulls the meat off then buries it in the garden. When it has grown sufficient maggots she'll then have another go at it if I don't find it first!

Could someone advise me on these two points and suggest what would be the best way to start changing them over. The both like raw meat and welcome their bones, but I'm not sure of the portion sizes for them. Kushti is 6 lbs in weight and Floyd is 85 lbs ? (34 kgs). The main trouble I am likely to find is that the bones I get from the butcher have virtually no meat on them. Chicken drumsticks and wings would be Ok for the small dog, but apart from these pigs trotters seem to be the only meaty types on offer.

I'd be glad of any advice you have to offer.

Jeanne.

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10b. Re: Rawfeeding Small Dogs
Posted by: "Michelle LaFay" pawsitivelycaring@gmail.com mblafay
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:25 pm ((PDT))

Hi Jeanne,

I am sure you will get many responses as there are several toy dog owners on
here who feed raw. Me included! Now my chi mix is a bit bigger than yours at
a semi-portly 8lbs, but since doxies are also known for poor mouths & Pixie
does in fact have a couple of missing teeth in her 9yr old mouth, I feel
safe in saying I know where you are coming from. However, Pixie can make
quite the dent in anything I give her. In fact she is the one gulper in our
household and a chicken leg is about as small as I dare go with her for fear
of her inhaling it. She can do some major damage to a turkey leg (even the
ends of the bones) and a pork shoulder (though she has never gotten far
enough through it to hit bone lol). We feed her exactly like the big dogs
just slightly smaller portions (apparently not smaller enough given her
tubbiness lol) and she never has given us reason to anything different.

Now my mom also feeds raw (finally yay!!) and she has a purebred chi who is
lucky if he weighs 5lbs soaking wet. He is 13, she just went raw a few
months ago and his mouth is crappy crappy. He is willing and able to handle
a chicken leg or thigh bone and all but clearly prefers wings over anything
else, even the hunks of meat mom gives him to balance out the high bone
ratio in wings. He is picky though, it is not that he is unable to eat
anything else, he just likes to play mom and she feels good giving him what
he likes best. I'm just happy she's finally feeding raw lol.

So my point is to play it by ear. Think lots of meat on some bone. Little
dogs are fun because small hunks of meat can be a big workout meal for them,
heck a leg quarter is nearly as big as Sammy lol. See what she likes and
what she can and will handle and go from there. Trust me when I say that no
matter how good of condition you think your dogs are in now, after you have
been feeding raw for a while you will look at them in a whole new light and
see a whole new definition for "good condition".

On 8/29/07, Jeanne Faletti <jackienjeanne@talktalk.net> wrote:
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> Hi All,
>
> My name is Jeanne and I am new to this list and to rawfeeding. I have an
> 8 year old bulldog, Floyd, and a 5 year old Chihuahua, Kushti. I am drawn
> towards rawfeeding but have two reservations. The first is that both dogs
> are healthy i.e. no allergies or recurrent illnesses, and I keep
> remembering the old adage 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'! The second is,
> is it suitable for the Chihuahua, well she's a cross with a border
> terrier, I have been told by another Chi owner that she's been told that
> their teeth are not strong enough to chew bones. Nevertheless I do give her
> a bone now and then but she only pulls the meat off then buries it in the
> garden. When it has grown sufficient maggots she'll then have another go at
> it if I don't find it first!
>
> Could someone advise me on these two points and suggest what would be the
> best way to start changing them over. The both like raw meat and welcome
> their bones, but I'm not sure of the portion sizes for them. Kushti is 6
> lbs in weight and Floyd is 85 lbs ? (34 kgs). The main trouble I am likely
> to find is that the bones I get from the butcher have virtually no meat on
> them. Chicken drumsticks and wings would be Ok for the small dog, but apart
> from these pigs trotters seem to be the only meaty types on offer.
>
> I'd be glad of any advice you have to offer.
>
> Jeanne.
>
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>

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Pawsitively Caring Pet Sitting
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pawsitivelycaring@gmail.com

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10c. Re: Rawfeeding Small Dogs
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:30 pm ((PDT))

***MODERATOR'S NOTE: PLEASE TRIM YOUR MESSAGES.***

Hi Jeanne,
The other Chi owner is ignorant on the topic of suitability of raw
for Chi's. I run a dog daycare and foster pits and chihuahuas. I am
feeding two five pounders right now. I just found a home for a 3.5
lb Chi with a really bad overbite. With his mouth closed, you could
see all of his front teeth. His bottom jaw was only about 2/3 the
length of the top. He eats raw with no problems. You may think your
dog is healthy, but, you will be surprised at the differences you
see after a month or so on raw. The smaller dogs can't eat some of
the larger bones that bigger dogs can, but that's to be expected. My
two can eat all bones in a game hen or chicken. Even on older
chickens like roasters or baking hens, the only bones they can't eat
all of are the leg and thigh bones. My Chi's eat game hens,
chickens, goat, lamb, pork, beef, rabbit, squirrel, duck,venison and
everything else I can get my hands on. Go to the groups home page
and do a search for toy dogs, small dogs, etc. You will get a ton of
posts on this subject. Denise

> My name is Jeanne and I am new to this list and to rawfeeding. I
have an 8 year old bulldog, Floyd, and a 5 year old Chihuahua,
Kushti. I am drawn towards rawfeeding but have two reservations.
The first is that both dogs are healthy i.e. no allergies or
recurrent illnesses, and I keep remembering the old adage 'if it
ain't broke don't fix it'! The second is, is it suitable for the
Chihuahua, well she's a cross with a border terrier, I have been
told by another Chi owner that she's been told that their teeth are
not strong enough to chew bones. Nevertheless I do give her a bone
now and then but she only pulls the meat off then buries it in the
garden. When it has grown sufficient maggots she'll then have
another go at it if I don't find it first!
>
> Could someone advise me on these two points and suggest what would
be the best way to start changing them over. The both like raw meat
and welcome their bones, but I'm not sure of the portion sizes for
them. Kushti is 6 lbs in weight and Floyd is 85 lbs ? (34 kgs).
The main trouble I am likely to find is that the bones I get from
the butcher have virtually no meat on them. Chicken drumsticks and
wings would be Ok for the small dog, but apart from these pigs
trotters seem to be the only meaty types on offer.
>
> I'd be glad of any advice you have to offer.
>
> Jeanne.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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11a. Backpacking - Dehydrated meat?
Posted by: "Lori Poirier" chaparraltrail@yahoo.com chaparraltrail
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:18 pm ((PDT))

I am headed out for a 120 mile trek in just a few days...so I HEAR YA about every ounce counting!

There are a number of posts in the archives, which gave me some good ideas. You need to join Yahoo groups first, though. One thing to make sure of before you go is that your dog will actually eat the dehydrated food, since he's never had it.

OTOH...I have taken numerous Boy Scouts out on their first outing, and by the third day out, you could sprinkle cinnamon on the dirt, and they'd eat it! So maybe this won't be an issue for your dog.

HAPPY TRAILS!

Lori

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12a. Please help! How to feed a 1.5lb puppy??
Posted by: "Monica" mommyof2gals@comcast.net mommyof2gals
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:23 pm ((PDT))

This is my second post...I think I got lost in the legume discussion
LOL!

I am currently rawfeeding two 60lb keeshonden for the last 4yrs. So I
am not new to the prospect of feeding this way.

However, this pomeranian I am picking up tomorrow night only weighs
1.5 lbs and I am lost how to feed her. She is microscopic!!!!! She
will eventually weigh about 5lbs which I would be more comfortable
with feed-wise). I am really not sure how to feed her as she is SO
tiny.

Its my understanding that this breed is prone to hypoglycemia,
particularly as a puppy, so they need to eat frequently. How in the
world would you break down that tiny meal into several portions?

YIKES!

I am open to all suggestions! I really need help figuring this out or
I won't be able to take her off the puppy kibble comfortably.

Thanks
Monica

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12b. Re: Please help! How to feed a 1.5lb puppy??
Posted by: "chaparraltrail" chaparraltrail@yahoo.com chaparraltrail
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:23 pm ((PDT))

> However, this pomeranian I am picking up tomorrow night only weighs
> 1.5 lbs and I am lost how to feed her. She is microscopic!!!!!
> I really need help figuring this out or
> I won't be able to take her off the puppy kibble comfortably.

I have a 75 pound Lab, so do not have experience. But if I were to
bring such a tiny baby home, was not comfortable about big pieces, did
not know how to do it "right," AND...did not get a knowledgeable
response from others on this list, I would feed ground or bite sized
raw pieces for a few days, rather than canned or kibble pet food,
until I was able to figure it out.

Perhaps someone with tiny dog experience will have better advice, but
there is no need to purchase kibble, when you have no plan to use it
for your puppy's permanent diet anyway.

Lori

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13. The Care and Feeding of Mastiffs
Posted by: "Marisa Ammons" scoobysnax101@yahoo.com scoobysnax101
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:36 pm ((PDT))

Hi folks - I have been reading a few days and have
learned a lot! Thank you for all the wisdom. I have
two mastiffs and a GSMD and we are getting ready to
switch to raw this weekend (wanted to know what I was
doing first).

I see that some of you are feeding giant breeds and I
get the principle that they may only need 1-1 1/2% of
their body weight (which is good, b/c that would be a
lot of food otherwise!).

What are some sample mastiff, dane or other
giant-sized meals? One of my boys has eaten a whole
chicken for an unexpected snack, so I know he can, but
that is too much on a daily basis (one of our own
flock disappeared and then we found feet in poop).

Just looking for ideas - I see a lot about sizing for
small dogs, but would love some ideas about how big
the pieces are that the really big guys eat. I worry
that they will be eating me out of house and home!

Thanks for the help. We are looking forward to
starting.

Marisa

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14a. Re: This vegetarian met her match in a turkey! Help!
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:00 pm ((PDT))

"pelirojita" <kerrymurray7@...> wrote:

> Anyways, recommendations on a future plan of attack for the next
> turkey I buy since turkey was a bit hit with both dogs?

Hey Kerry,

I think you done good with your first turkey! It takes a little
while to figure out how to chop stuff into manageable parts. I too
have to whack birds into meal-ish sized pieces, b/c my old fart dog
doesn't do well with oversized meals anymore. (Alas.)

I would basically advise treating a turkey like an oversized
chicken. I attack both with just kitchen shears (and occasionally a
bit of bare-hands ripping -- sorry, that might be a bit much for you,
but I've found it the best way to break through the breastbone). My
usual approach is to go straight down the backbone (just to one side
or the other, so you're not trying to cut through the spine itself).
Then I repeat the midline cut down the bottom half of the bird (the
breast), which is where the leverage / bone-breaking is most
helpful. Once I've got two half-turkeys, I basically make leg
quarters & breast quarters, just by cutting behind the flap of breast
meat. Usually I also take off the wings and the drums (figure out
where the joints are & cut there, so you don't have to go through any
bones) and pair those up with some of the extra breast meat that I
trim off the breast.

Sounds like a lot of work, but it really isn't -- I can do a chicken
lickety-split, and a turkey takes only a minute longer. I didn't
used to go to so much effort (see
http://rawfeddogs.net/RecipePhoto/12/19 )
but Griff now prefers to get no more than a couple pounds a day,
without too much bone in any one serving. I figure he's old enough
to have earned some mollycoddling, so he gets it =)

HTH --

-- sandy & griffin (who are you calling an old fart?!)

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15a. Re: Lily Update
Posted by: "Carrie Kelly" winencandy@yahoo.ca winencandy
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:20 pm ((PDT))

Thank you everyone for your suggestions. I have tried frozen whole sardines (thawed) she didn't know what to do with them - I'll try again, only I'll cut up part of it so she can taste it. The other day I gave her a pork shoulder roast (after we'd cut off most of the meat to cook for our supper) It was fun watching her try to tackle a piece of meat/bone that was about the same size as her. She worked at it for about 3 meals, then I gave it to out lab X to finish. I've asked about Game Hens at my local grocery store - they can order them - they don't normally stock them.

BTW, she had a vet apt today. After a lot of research, I had decided to give her just one puppy vac. (Distemper/Parvo). So, the vet said, "Oh she's 4 months, she can have her lepto & rabies shot too." I said "No thank you, my breeder wants to wait till she's 6 months for the rabies, and I don't want the lepto". No problem.

Lily weighs 4 lbs @ 16 weeks. She asked what I fed her. I said "Raw". She asked "BARF?" and I said "No, prey model". She said "P.R.E.Y.?" like it was a new acrynom. and I said "meat, bones, & organs". She asked if I prepared it fresh every day. I said "yes", she said, "Good 'cause you have to be carefull about e-coli and samenilla with some of these diets". That was all she said. I didn't go into any details about how I "prepared" Lily's food (open package - feed dog), 'cause she didn't ask. Maybe I'll save that for another time.

Carrie K

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16a. Confused
Posted by: "dawn_rescue" dteuscher@tx.rr.com dawn_rescue
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:22 pm ((PDT))

I started feeding raw two weeks ago and all is going really well. I am
planning on feeding beef next and I am confused. Are ribs okay to feed
with the bone in? I understand no knuckle bones etc. What cuts of
beef can I feed? Also, since they did okay with the chicken, can I add
the beef to the chicken or just do beef alone? One more- my big guy
has really flaky (big flakes) skin. He is losing his undercoat right
now. He had it before we switched to raw. Should I give it more time
or should I be giving him fish oil?

Thanks in advance,
Dawn

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17a. Re: Losing Hair
Posted by: "susan holbeck" nu1edie@yahoo.com nu1edie
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:24 pm ((PDT))

Hello! I am new to the sight and only slightly less new to raw feeding. I've been feeding raw for just less than a week. I live in AZ as well (S Phoenix) and have noticed an extreme increase in shedding. I don't attribute that to the diet as much as the heat, but who knows! I have only fed raw chicken so far. I started with the raw meat, (meat only), mixed with veges and a ton of rice. I didn't know at the time that rice and veges are a no-no! That's why I'm glad I found this sight!

I also didn't know to limit the amount of bone he's been eating. I've been feeding chicken breasts and leg quarters. So I need to give more meat! In addition he's a 100 pound Rottweiler and I now realize I need to feed "BIG". All those parts are fine and dandy, but far too easy for him to scarf down! I've learned so much from you all!!

I do have a question. What is the meaning of all the acronyms? For example, IMO and FWIW...

Thanks!
Susan and Oswald
aka Ozzy the Cowardly Dog

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"I'm in Az. and it's been very
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17b. Re: Losing Hair
Posted by: "Carol Wimmer" my3jcs@yahoo.com my3jcs
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:30 pm ((PDT))

Hi Kerry!

I'm in Mesa and roasting at 113 today! I was hoping
the hair loss problem was from the diet. I'm looking
forward to seeing their beautiful new coats. It's
amazing what good food can do. BTW, I have a sister
in the Tucson area who also feeds raw. She is going
to join Tucson Raw (I think that's the name). They
get some great deals buying in bulk.

Thanks!

Carol
(Rex,Rocky,Mack)
--- pelirojita <kerrymurray7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Where in AZ are you? I'm in Tucson.
>
> Anyways, we started feeding raw at the beginning of
> July and though my
> golden retriever and lab mix do shed quite a bit,
> the shedding
> significantly accelerated with the diet change. My
> experience is that
> the hair coming in underneath is softer and shinier
> then the hair that
> was shed and it is just the body's way of showing
> its improved health.

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18a. Re: This vegetarian met her match in a turkey! Help!
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:27 pm ((PDT))

>>>I tackled a whole raw turkey for the first time a few months ago and got
struck about where you got stuck. I got the wings, thighs, breast and legs
off but was left with "the rest". <<<

It's funny that this topic come up, because just the other day I was cutting
up a turkey also. And wondered if I was doing it right. I cut it down the
middle, with shears and a knife. Cut off the breasts with all the meat, got
the wings, and the turkey legs. I've given mine some turkey with their
chicken mostly just the meat, and it doesn't seem to cause any problems.
So, I've gone the EXTRA step with my dogs and given them an turkey!!! I'm
anxious to give them the turkey legs...we'll see how it goes

Brandi
Bartlesville, OK

On 8/29/07, Sonja <ladyver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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Bartlesville, Ok
www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com

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