[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11974

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Week 2
From: crhyne39
1b. Re: Week 2
From: Olga
1c. Re: Week 2
From: mgitaville
1d. Re: Week 2
From: Laurie Swanson

2a. Re: Feeding wing and thigh separately to large dogs
From: steph.sorensen
2b. Re: Feeding wing and thigh separately to large dogs
From: coriowen

3a. Re: Do you all rotate Fish oil Brand??
From: costrowski75

4a. Re: leg quarters
From: carnesbill

5a. Losing Hair
From: my3jcs
5b. Re: Losing Hair
From: Laurie Swanson
5c. Re: Losing Hair
From: pelirojita

6a. This vegetarian met her match in a turkey! Help!
From: pelirojita
6b. Re: This vegetarian met her match in a turkey! Help!
From: Sonja

7a. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
From: john payne
7b. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
From: pelirojita
7c. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
From: Yasuko herron
7d. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
From: Laurie Swanson
7e. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
From: costrowski75

8a. Re: individual pork rib bones..quick question
From: costrowski75
8b. Re: individual pork rib bones..quick question
From: Laurie Swanson

9.1. Re: rec/wreck bones (was: legumes Unhealthy?)
From: Laurie Swanson

10a. Re: Back to raw
From: beckie716

11a. Re: woohoo!! woot! woot! woohoo!!!
From: Melissa

12a. Re: feeding mostly chicken
From: Laurie Swanson

13a. Re: Different types of meat
From: Laurie Swanson

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1a. Week 2
Posted by: "crhyne39" crhyne39@bellsouth.net crhyne39
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:06 pm ((PDT))

I have been rawfeeding my 3 dogs for a week now. Mostly leg
quarters
and they are doing great and loving it. I currently am feeding 3%
of
> their weight every morning. May back down on the amount I am
feeding,
> but am not sure yet. Runny stools are not an issue any more.
Anyone
> have suggestions as to what I should feed in week #2?.

Thanks,
Chris R, Atlanta Ga

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1b. Re: Week 2
Posted by: "Olga" olga.drozd@gmail.com olga_d
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:21 pm ((PDT))

> Anyone
> have suggestions as to what I should feed in week #2?.

How about some turkey or pork? Both have some nice edible bones.

Olga

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1c. Re: Week 2
Posted by: "mgitaville" mgitaville@hotmail.com mgitaville
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:11 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "crhyne39" <crhyne39@...> wrote:
>
> I have been rawfeeding my 3 dogs for a week now. Mostly leg
> quarters
> and they are doing great and loving it. I currently am feeding 3%
> of
> > their weight every morning. May back down on the amount I am
> feeding,
> > but am not sure yet. Runny stools are not an issue any more.
> Anyone
> > have suggestions as to what I should feed in week #2?.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris R, Atlanta Ga
>

******Yes, I have 2 suggestions. First, I would still stick pretty
heavily to the chicken since they are doing well with it, but you
could try pork or beef as a next option. (Lamb, venison, etc. tends
to be richer so wouldn't be my first choice). The second suggestion
I have is to definitely cut back some from the 3% when you try
the "new" meat. You will want to know whether it was the meat that
gave runny stools, not the amount, if you have a problem. You could
always do a bit of chicken and a bit of something else too if really
concerned. Not sure the size of your dogs, but pork shoulders work
good for my big guys.

Marguerita

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1d. Re: Week 2
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:18 pm ((PDT))

You could add in some bone-in breasts for a slower transition, or
venture into a new protein if you're more adventurous. Turkey, pork,
beef, goat, lamb, fish. If you add in a new protein, you might want to
just pick one, and you might want to add a little bit to the chicken
meals and see how that goes.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "crhyne39" <crhyne39@...> wrote:

> Anyone
> > have suggestions as to what I should feed in week #2?.
>
>

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2a. Re: Feeding wing and thigh separately to large dogs
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:34 pm ((PDT))

Chris wrote:
>
> There is one issue though that you should consider at this early
> stage of raw feeding. And that's loose stools. Feeding small is
> most likely to avert loose stools, feeding "big" may produce
looser
> stools than you are accustomed to. I really do recommend you flex
> your feeding options, but you may have to introduce the concept
> somewhat gently to your dogs. For newbie dogs, perhaps the single
> most common cause of loose stools is feeding too much food.
>
> Another week or so of small parts may be in order while you learn
> more about your dogs' digestive abilities. Gradually introduce
them
> to larger chicken hunks--a half bird is less likely to cause
> digestive upheaval than a whole bird but it still allows for
creative
> meals.
> Chris O

**********************

Thanks for all the good info! Makes sense, now that I think about
it. Since I just recently noticed how hard, small and dry their
poop is, I think they may deal okay with a whole chicken. I am
definitely willing to try it. They poop so much less on this diet
than on kibble; it's amazing!

I think I'll stick with my plan of a whole chicken a piece tomorrow
after work, then feeding them a half a one on Saturday.

Thanks again for clearing things up! This cold I have is clogging
my brain! :)

-Steph
Scarlet (we-just-got-free-venison!)
Lucy (what's venison?)
>

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2b. Re: Feeding wing and thigh separately to large dogs
Posted by: "coriowen" COwen98@aol.com coriowen
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:34 pm ((PDT))

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--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...>
wrote:
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> "coriowen" <COwen98@> wrote:
> > If I understand you correctly, you are saying that I ought to,
once
> > in a while, give my Dachshunds a shot at a whole chicken and pick
it
> > up when I think they have had enough?
> *****
> I recommend it completely, utterly and with complete confidence
that
> your dogs will appreciate the gesture.
>
>
> I have been having a problem
> > with my younger Dachshund because she is a gulper, big time!
> *****
> It has been written here often and not just by me that the best way
to
> feed a gulper is to feed bigger, not smaller. Big Food (which is
of
> course relative to the dog) or less big but more complicated food
will
> slow a dog's progress. In fact, a good complicated and perplexing
body
> part will stop a gulper in its tracks. Sometimes eating can be a
> mindless activity, but at least occasionally a dog should have to
solve
> its meal before it can eat it.
>
> Good for the belly, good for the brain.
>
>
> because I feed them twice a day those amounts make the pieces
> > smaller and they are not getting the chance to really work at it.
> *****
> Yes, you've certainly hit that nail on its head! As soon as you can
get
> your mind around the concept, you should move to one meal a day.
If
> the Dachshunds need two meals a day, make one bigger than the
other.
> Then at least one of the meals may be a challenge.

The reason I am doing the "two times a day" feedings is because we
just starting feeding raw(one week today) and the older Dachshund
threw up bile(the first day) and still has loose stool after a week
and the other Dachshund is still a puppy at 10 mos. and I don't want
to load them up just yet with one huge meal once a day. Otherwise,
the info you gave me will definitely help me in the future once we
are settled in with raw feedings and it is just normal everyday, or
even skip a day every now and then, meals.
>
>
> I > fed my Mastiff and my Doberman frozen chicken quarters and it
> slowed
> > them down immensely, especially my Mastiff, she can almost
swallow an
> > entire whole chicken!
> *****
> I hardly ever feed frozen food and when I do it's unintentional. I
> feed big food to complicate the feeding process and I feed once a
day
> or less. If I have to skip a subsequent day (or two) after a
> particularly engrossing meal, I do.
>
> I believe you should be feeding your big dogs bigger food than leg
> quarters and if your Mastiff sucks down a whole chicken, buy a
larger
> whole chicken and butterfly it. Or rely on turkeys instead of
> chicken. There's nothing magic about chicken.

Again, I am using chicken because we are only a week into feeding raw
and I am not ready to switch them to a different meat yet and they
aren't ready for it, either. I did read on a post you wrote to
another person that you shouldn't have them on any type of a time
schedule for feeding and that is new to me and a great idea. It will
take all 4 of mine to get over the fact that they won't be eating
when they normally do but I have no problem putting them on MY
schedule when I feel like it. I was trying to feed a little earlier
in the day so my older Dachshund would stop waking me up at 4-5am to
go potty because she still has very watery stools. Anyway, I just
keep learning. Thanks so much for the info.
Cori

> Chris O
>

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3a. Re: Do you all rotate Fish oil Brand??
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 1:34 pm ((PDT))

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
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> Hi,Chris. i don't know if this products fit to your standard,but the
fish oil I am using has no soy in it I think because I checked label
and it does not say soy is included in ingredients list.
>
> You would like to try?
*****
Thank you Yassy, but I am comfortable with the products I have.
Between the Rexall capsules I bought a few days ago and the Timberwolf
Organics liquid SO I have stashed in the freezer, my dogs well supplied.
Chris O

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4a. Re: leg quarters
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:46 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Denise and David Spotila
<brookside_casa@...> wrote:
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> Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren't leg quarters approx.
27% bone?

Actually its a little more than that but its not really a big deal
as long as you feed other stuff at other meals. Have been feeding
chicken quarter meals for nearly 5 years now. I also feed meat only
meals and meals with both more and less bone than chicken quarters.
I feed meals of chicken backs only every day. I don't really pay a
lot of attention to the amount of bone. It's not that critical.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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5a. Losing Hair
Posted by: "my3jcs" my3jcs@yahoo.com my3jcs
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:18 pm ((PDT))

Hello!

I am 2 weeks into feeding my guys raw and wondered if hair loss is
something the dogs go through with the change of diet. I have a Boxer
mix, Pit mix and an Am. Staff. They shed very little normally
(especially my pittys), but since going to raw the amount of hair that
comes off in brushing is triple. I've fed chicken, turkey, eggs, just
started pork and they get Omega 3 caps. I'm in Az. and it's been very
hot, but the excessive shedding just started.

Thank you!
Carol
(Rex,Rocky,Mack)

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5b. Re: Losing Hair
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:29 pm ((PDT))

Hi Carol,

It seems this does come up every now and then. My recollection is that
many dogs lose some hair, but it comes back in more beautiful than
ever. Hopefully that's the case, and maybe some others will respond.
You might want to search the archives here or on RawChat, too.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "my3jcs" <my3jcs@...> wrote:

> I am 2 weeks into feeding my guys raw and wondered if hair loss is
> something the dogs go through with the change of diet.

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5c. Re: Losing Hair
Posted by: "pelirojita" kerrymurray7@gmail.com pelirojita
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:37 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "my3jcs" <my3jcs@...> wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I am 2 weeks into feeding my guys raw and wondered if hair loss is
> something the dogs go through with the change of diet. I have a Boxer
> mix, Pit mix and an Am. Staff. They shed very little normally
> (especially my pittys), but since going to raw the amount of hair that
> comes off in brushing is triple. I've fed chicken, turkey, eggs, just
> started pork and they get Omega 3 caps. I'm in Az. and it's been very
> hot, but the excessive shedding just started.
>
> Thank you!
> Carol
> (Rex,Rocky,Mack)
>
HI Carol,

Where in AZ are you? I'm in Tucson.

Anyways, we started feeding raw at the beginning of July and though my
golden retriever and lab mix do shed quite a bit, the shedding
significantly accelerated with the diet change. My experience is that
the hair coming in underneath is softer and shinier then the hair that
was shed and it is just the body's way of showing its improved health.
I agree that it isn't just the heat since June was way hotter and our
shedding picked up in July with the switch to raw.

I think this is normal and unless you are getting bald patches nothing
to worry about. Though people more experienced then me may have a
more informed opinion.

Best to you,
Kerry
Tucson,AZ

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6a. This vegetarian met her match in a turkey! Help!
Posted by: "pelirojita" kerrymurray7@gmail.com pelirojita
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:49 pm ((PDT))

So, I thought I had scored when my local health food store had a
free-range, appropriately-fed, minimally-processed (aaaggghhh, I feel
so high-maintenance!!!), 20lb frozen turkey with all the giblets
available for $1.49/lb.

After thawing, I went to cut it up last night since, even though I
feed big, a 20 lb turkey would be about a month's worth of food for
the one of my dogs who is willing to tackle a whole bird (the other
dog gets scared off by anything more than a pound or so).

Well, I was able to get the legs and the wings off with my handy
shears and a little help from a boning knife, but could not find my
way to separate the rest of the bird in to manageable, freezable
parts. Plus my minimally processed bird was bleeding everywhere and
all sorts of slimy things were still attached in the body cavity,
thoroughly scaring and revolting this vegetarian. It looked like a
massacre in my sink (part of my problem, I was trying to cut the bird
up in the sink to limit the mess and spillage), though it was high
entertainment for my dogs who were super excited and totally underfoot
until I sent them both outside with their own turkey legs. My husband
couldn't stop laughing as I guess the look on my face was comical, and
though he is an occasional meat-eater he doesn't like turkey, is still
leery of the whole switch-to-raw, and politely declined to help.

I eventually got enough breast meat off to make a nice meal for my
golden who likes small portions but I still have about 8-10 lbs of
turkey carcass. My lab-mix is game for the whole thing, and he may
just get it that way as I would hate to throw anything out, but won't
it be mighty smelly the second week when he is still eating it?

Anyways, recommendations on a future plan of attack for the next
turkey I buy since turkey was a bit hit with both dogs? I would like
to cut it up in to 1.5-5.0 lb portions. Do I need something other
then my run-of-the-mill shears and boning knife? I am highly visual,
can someone point me to a picture that would help me know where and
how to cut?

Could I feed a 20lb turkey to my dog who should only eat approx 3/4 of
a pound a day? How would that work? Would I refreeze it every so
often since this would be a month of food? Or is it better to just
cut it up?

FYI - I have two dogs, one a golden retriever, one a lab mix. The
golden eats around 1-1.5lbs/day, the lab mix 0.75lbs/day. The golden
so far has refused to eat a whole chicken, but will eat meals cut up
for her, has a tendency to bury the leftovers, which then get dug up
and eaten by my overweight lab-mix, so I try not to give the golden
more than a reasonable portion.

Thank you,
Kerry
Tucson, AZ

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6b. Re: This vegetarian met her match in a turkey! Help!
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:42 pm ((PDT))

Ahhhhhh.....I know it's not funny to you at this moment but the visuals I got while reading you post had me in stitches!

I tackled a whole raw turkey for the first time a few months ago and got struck about where you got stuck. I got the wings, thighs, breast and legs off but was left with "the rest". I cut the breast out and saved it for MY dinner (use your shears to cut through, cutting the ribs at the least the meaty part of the breast). If you leave the wing on the breast, fine. So now I had a 3 lbs turkey back to contend with. I tried to bend and break it into sections but it wasn't going to give. I didn't want to use my cleaver because I personally don't like creating sharp bone edges. I put it on the floor for my lab, let her eat about 1/3, then I put it back in the fridge. THe next meal I gave her was boneless, then I let her have the back again and let her eat 1/2 of what was left. I put it back in the fridge. I let her eat the rest the next day, and it worked out well. I didn't have to fight to pull the back apart, and there was no waste! And after 3 days, there was no time for it to get smelly.

Hope this helps....

Sonja

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7a. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
Posted by: "john payne" brendajohn2823@yahoo.com brendajohn2823
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:54 pm ((PDT))

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I tried hooves for our 2 dogs, and a day later i smelt this terrible smell in the living room, and here one of them had hidden one under the couch. It was nasty!! I wont do hooves no more cause of it!
B

costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote:
Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
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> I think this picture is the hoove part with some fur around(half
of what I got).Other half was looking like mostly bone,no fur around.
*****
Oops. Oops again. Sorry, Yassy.
You wrote "hooves" I thought "feet" and that was the end of any
constructive comments on my part.

I don't feed my dogs hooves because hooves are not big enough, or
perhaps because I somehow raise enthusiastic gnawers. Either way, I
don't buy them. If Palette takes her time with bones or likes to
nibble and poke about, my guess is she'll be fine with a raw hoof.
Certainly there are lots of folks who are quite happy with them. As
I wrote in the post you initially referred to, cow feet generally are
the only parts I will feed as "rec" bones.

I gave my BC pup a greentripe.com raw hoof when she was teething.
She gnawed aggressively (in a puppy sort of way) on the edges and in
the middle of the night horked up all her hard work.

You should let Palette have a go at her hoof, then report back with
the results.
Chris O

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7b. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
Posted by: "pelirojita" kerrymurray7@gmail.com pelirojita
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:09 pm ((PDT))

> You should let Palette have a go at her hoof, then report back with
> the results.
> Chris O
>

Great topic. The following are available from my local raw buying coop:

Pig feet (not split), 30 lb. $19.80

Beef hoof and femur 25lbs $18.00 (there is a note that says these are
best used as rec bones, maybe implying the other beef feet option is
more meaty?!?)

Beef Skinless Feet 60lb $23.40

I have an 80lb golden, and 40lb lab-mix, both of whom are big chewers
and will happily gnaw away for hours. What would you recommend as a
good start, they have never had feet before but handle beef and pork
and all amounts of bone just fine (p.s. I don't know if I have 60lbs
of freezer space...)

Thanks,
Kerry
Tucson, AZ

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7c. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:17 pm ((PDT))

>I don't feed my dogs hooves because hooves are not big enough,

No,Chris.It IS Huge! The size is about palm size or more.andhalf of hooves are weighing 5lb and other half is about 5lb the web says and it is real heavy big ones.

Is this small?? I have never seen hooves other than the things at pets' mart(theirs are quite small),so,my judging will be different.

But yes,I wait till this weekends and I report back to you all.

Hopefully,she will enjoy that.

thanks,

yassy

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7d. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:33 pm ((PDT))

Yassy,

It's so clear how much you love Palette and it's great to hear how
she's doing. Happy Birthday to Palette!

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
>

> When I looked at her from far side,her fur looked shinier and
looked more vivid in color.
> She stays calm most of the time,taking naps and such but when we
play together both inside the house and outside the house,she look more
energetic.
>
> I thought that changing her diet was best choice I ever made.
>

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7e. Re: gnaw-worthy bones
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:05 pm ((PDT))

"pelirojita" <kerrymurray7@...> wrote:
> Pig feet (not split), 30 lb. $19.80
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"Not split" is good. These probably are not big ("six inches long
maybe, four inch diameter?), and will have no notable meat to them.
Not meals, but good fun toys; the bones are young and soft. Fatty.

> Beef hoof and femur 25lbs $18.00 (there is a note that says these
are
> best used as rec bones, maybe implying the other beef feet option is
> more meaty?!?)
*****
IMO no beef feet are meaty but some have other interesting
attributes. Without more detail I can only guess these are devoid of
any of the interesting attributes. No sinew, no fat, no skin.
Sounds like bare naked bone attached to a foot. I vote pasadena
unless you get a description to the contrary.

> Beef Skinless Feet 60lb $23.40
*****
Sounds like above sans femur. These might be the "feet" I let my
dogs work on. No hide, no hair, but otherwise intact, maybe three
pounds, not sliced. The body part ends a couple inches north of
the "wrist." Find out if these are whole and how big they are; my
guess is these are sensible for serious gnawers.

> I don't know if I have 60lbs
> of freezer space...)
*****
These defrost into individual units that can stuffed into nooks and
crannies. It's not difficult to distribute 60lb. Hard to remember
where all you stuck them though, when you go looking months later.
Chris O

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8a. Re: individual pork rib bones..quick question
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:56 pm ((PDT))

"lar07911" <lar07911@...> wrote:
Since she is only
> 17 pounds is it ok to just give them to her individually and not
> attached like some of the reading I have seen?
*****
I think she's able to take on the challenge of a mini-slab of two or
even three ribs. Meals are not just about food, they're about exercise
and entertainment too. FWIW I gave my 10lb cat a single lamb rib
figuring it would take a good long time to clean off. In less than 10
minutes she ate the whole dang thing. So much for challenge.

> > Also, are pork neck bones ok to give her? These too are also cut
and
> in smaller pieces.
*****
IMO these are too small for your dog and not nearly meaty enough. Look
for a larger section of neck bone at Asian or other ethnic markets.
These aren't very meaty either, but they do offer a great workout. You
can add meat to the meal or feed a boneless, meaty next feeding.

> I also found pork brisket with ribs inside. That huge slab of meat
is
> definitely at least 4 meals! Out of the pork I purchased
above...which
> should I introduce first?
*****
These. They are a favorite of mine. Inexpensive, meaty, edible bone,
a nice challenge for a smaller dog.
Chris O

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8b. Re: individual pork rib bones..quick question
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:27 pm ((PDT))

Hi there,

What kind of dog do you have? Re: the individual ribs, it depends on
how your dog eats. Sometimes they are more enthusiastic/stupid in
the beginning. I have a 20 lb. Boston with gulping tendencies,
although he's gotten much better over the past several mos. of
feeding this way. I just today fed him a hunk of about 5 pork ribs
together. He stripped some of the meat off and had one rib hanging
there he was working on. He chomped the rib a couple times and it
was down to about 1" square and he swallowed it and had trouble
getting it down. I was nervous, but it was ok.

If your dog is a very dainty eater, you can probably feed single
ribs. But if she's a pretty good chomper and/or possible gulper, I'd
either not feed single ribs, or watch closely, let her work on them a
bit and take them away when they get to possible choking size.
Sometimes they surprise you, though--you think they've got a big hunk
they're working on and the next second, it's gone! :-)

Same thing with the pork neck bones. I don't like them when they're
cut small because they usually have lots of sharp, pointy parts,
too. See if you can get them bigger (ask the butcher/meat dept. to
leave them large).

I'm not familiar with the other cut (pork brisket with ribs), but it
sounds big, which is good! As long as there aren't small, choking-
sized bones inside? You could just put that out and let her eat a
meal, and put it back into the frig/freezer for later.

Laurie

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9.1. Re: rec/wreck bones (was: legumes Unhealthy?)
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:18 pm ((PDT))

I guess you missed my point--the objection is it can ruin their teeth.
And they will be much happier having a healthy mouth and keeping their
teeth. And you can make them just as happy with a goat leg or a lamb's
head or a pig's foot or a rack of ribs or, or, or...(removing any bone
that's too dense at the end, of course). In fact, they might even be
happier with a complicated meal that nets some results (meat, fat,
gristle, etc.) than gnawing on a bare bone for days--who knows?

I'm not trying to deny your dogs their fun. I've just learned the hard
way and many others have too. I'm just trying to save you my
troubles. And, again, there are wonderful and safe ways for them to
get their chewing instincts satisfied.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, tantelin22@... wrote:
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I just don't see the objection to letting them
> chew on the big bones that make them so happy.

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10a. Re: Back to raw
Posted by: "beckie716" beckie716@yahoo.com beckie716
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:32 pm ((PDT))

> TC and let me know how you and she progress!
> Giselle
>

Thank you, Giselle! I started this morning. She ate without turning it
down, and no horking. Your source guide is a great help. I have also
talked to the grocery store (being in a small town, its a small
grocery) about the meat that goes over. They just throw it away. I'm
hoping for a small cost per # They will sell it to me. I will let you
know how it goes.

Thanks again,
Beckie

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11a. Re: woohoo!! woot! woot! woohoo!!!
Posted by: "Melissa" mwood8402@yahoo.com mwood8402
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:34 pm ((PDT))

Yay! I think it can take them a little while to realize that it's
actually food. lol I'm glad that she's digging in now.

-Melissa W

> I was *very* anxious that she would just lick at the chicken back
again, since she had pre-
> ground for breakfast. Boy was I wrong! She practically inhaled
the tripe, then dove right
> in on the chicken back, even using her paws a little bit.
great!
>
> Thanks to everyone for the help, advice and your 'ear'!
>
> David
>

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12a. Re: feeding mostly chicken
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:36 pm ((PDT))

Hi Sue,

Sounds to me like he could use some additional help. Are you familiar
with classical homeopathy?

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ClassicalHomeopathyPets/

If you haven't already, you could also try making sure his food is
appropriately fed (grass-fed, etc., as opposed to grain-fed).

Best wishes,

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sue" <fordogs@...> wrote:
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> I've discussed this problem before but still have some questions. My
> older dog (9 yr old aussie) has a very sensitive stomach.

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13a. Re: Different types of meat
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:48 pm ((PDT))

Hi Cynthia,

That's interesting about the goat--I haven't noticed that w/my dog but
I haven't fed it in a little while. Are you getting it from a
reputable source? Is it always the same source, or different sources
produce the same result? I'll be curious to hear if any others notice
this type of thing. I don't notice any odors like that, just stool
changes depending on what I feed (different colors, consistencies,
depending on the color of the meat and the fat/bone content).

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cynthiabooijblommers"
<cynthiabooijblommers@...> wrote:
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> In the case of my 2 dogs (american staffordshire terriers) I've found
> that when they get goat....they reek, I really mean smell, from their
> mouth to their stool.
> Is that normal??

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