[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11978

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Picky Beagle
From: John and Jeni Blackmon
1b. Re: Picky Beagle
From: carnesbill

2a. Re: can I feed another protein early?
From: john masson
2b. Re: can I feed another protein early?
From: costrowski75
2c. Re: can I feed another protein early?
From: Yasuko herron
2d. Re: can I feed another protein early?
From: john masson
2e. Re: can I feed another protein early?
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: pork
From: Andrea

4a. Re: pork ribs
From: Andrea
4b. Re: pork ribs
From: nwohiopma
4c. Re: pork ribs
From: Yasuko herron
4d. Re: pork ribs
From: Olga

5.1. tripe
From: lhmcmaken
5.2. Re: tripe
From: costrowski75
5.3. Re: tripe
From: Yasuko herron

6a. Re: Intro - Newbie
From: Andrea

7a. Neyla won't eat lamb neck bones anymore - help!
From: Jen
7b. Re: Neyla won't eat lamb neck bones anymore - help!
From: Yasuko herron

8a. snack ideas for small breed (alaskan klee kai) and meal plan
From: tinamdeloia
8b. Re: snack ideas for small breed (alaskan klee kai) and meal plan
From: Andrea

9.1. Re: Confused
From: Yasuko herron
9.2. Re: Confused
From: Olga
9.3. Re: Confused
From: Tina Deloia

10a. Re: This vegetarian met her match in a turkey! Help!
From: Olga

11. where to feed dogs
From: swilken61

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1a. Re: Picky Beagle
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:31 am ((PDT))

Yes, that's the way to do it, and make sure that other stuff is put up.. like the garbage, treats, and so on. He will get hungry and figure it out, you'll see, it will happen. It will take a day or two, but it always happens.
You're doing great, and welcome to the raw world.
Jeni

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1b. Re: Picky Beagle
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:22 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "sarie0607" <sarie0607@...> wrote:
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> Should I just
> keep offering chicken to him and hope that when he gets
> hungry enough
> he'll eat?

Yes, exactly. Don't hover around him while he is trying to figure
it out. Just put his food down and back away and let him figure it
out. Don't do anything to try to get him to eat. 10 minutes after
he stops showing interest, pick up the food and put it back in the
fridge and serve it again next meal time. No snacks or treats
between meals. The more you leave him alone with the food, the
faster he will figure it out.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2a. Re: can I feed another protein early?
Posted by: "john masson" johnmasson@look.ca massonrita
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:22 am ((PDT))

Hi All

I started with pork ribs this morning and half way through his meal, he vomitted all of it. Could he have eaten too fast? what may anyone suggest?
thanks,
Rita

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From: Morledzep@aol.com
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:42 AM
Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] can I feed another protein early?

In a message dated 8/29/2007 4:13:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,
johnmasson@look.ca writes:

My question is can I introduce pork as a new protein prior to
the full week since he's doing so well ( he seems to be a bit bored with
the chicken compared to the first two days he got it). I was thinking
of giving him some pork shoulder and necks on friday along with a bit of
liver and heart, am I moving too fast?

Rita,

if you both are ready to move on to new and different foods, then by all
means, add in another type of meat. There are no hard and fast rules, and it does
seem as if you need to add more meat, and/or feed less bone. for this
situation i often recommend pork, picnic and shoulder butt roasts are excellent for
extra meat and i nice edible bone that takes some work to eat.

Catherine R.

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2b. Re: can I feed another protein early?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:27 am ((PDT))

"john masson" <johnmasson@...> wrote:
> I started with pork ribs this morning and half way through his
meal, he vomitted all of it. Could he have eaten too fast? what may
anyone suggest?
> thanks,
> Rita
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Entirely possible. Did you allow him the opportunity to re-eat the
stuff? If he didn't want to re-eat, I'd say he puked it up because
for some reason it didn't feel "right". OTOH, if he was interested
in re-eating it, he probably ate too fast.

Pork ribs are easy peasy food, so make sure you feed a big clumsy
hunk of them to slow...your...dog........doooowwwwnnn.

And please pretty please next time remember to trim off all the stuff
down there below my signature! Thanks.
Chris O

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> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] can I feed another protein early?
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> In a message dated 8/29/2007 4:13:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> johnmasson@... writes:
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> My question is can I introduce pork as a new protein prior to
> the full week since he's doing so well ( he seems to be a bit
bored with
> the chicken compared to the first two days he got it). I was
thinking
> of giving him some pork shoulder and necks on friday along with a
bit of
> liver and heart, am I moving too fast?
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> Rita,
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> if you both are ready to move on to new and different foods, then
by all
> means, add in another type of meat. There are no hard and fast
rules, and it does
> seem as if you need to add more meat, and/or feed less bone. for
this
> situation i often recommend pork, picnic and shoulder butt roasts
are excellent for
> extra meat and i nice edible bone that takes some work to eat.
>
> Catherine R.
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2c. Re: can I feed another protein early?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:41 am ((PDT))

>I started with pork ribs this morning and half way through his meal, he vomitted all of it.

Hi. My dog corgi has been raw for about 4 months now. She did hoaked up bone during eating once just around when I started rawfeeding.She hoaked up the bone and crunched more and ate it ok.

and other time,when I fed Turkey (Turkey Wing and boneless meat I forgot what.I don't have journal with me here,sorry),she vomited bits of bone after probably 10-15 min later from finish eating her meal.

So,I think that your dog either needed more crunching the bone so thatyour dog can swallow bone comfortably,or just like my dog's second case,probably too much bone at one sitting.
I did add boneless meat when feed Turkey Wing but I guess she needed less bone in that meal or more meat to that wing than I gave her.

But,if your dog vomited up,don't worry,let them re-eat. I know iti s gross but that is fine.


yassy

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2d. Re: can I feed another protein early?
Posted by: "john masson" johnmasson@look.ca massonrita
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:14 am ((PDT))

no, he walked away and I did not allow him the opportunity to eat it--he seemed distracted. I threw away what he vomitted(I didn't realize that they could re-eat it) . I offered him the remaining of the ribs maybe 10 miutes later and he seemed to have enjoyed it and kept it down. I just think he ate too quickly. I believe it would make sense to offer his next meal in smaller doses?
thanks
Rita
----- Original Message -----
From: costrowski75
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:27 AM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: can I feed another protein early?

"john masson" <johnmasson@...> wrote:
> I started with pork ribs this morning and half way through his
meal, he vomitted all of it. Could he have eaten too fast? what may
anyone suggest?
> thanks,
> Rita
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Entirely possible. Did you allow him the opportunity to re-eat the
stuff? If he didn't want to re-eat, I'd say he puked it up because
for some reason it didn't feel "right". OTOH, if he was interested
in re-eating it, he probably ate too fast.

Pork ribs are easy peasy food, so make sure you feed a big clumsy
hunk of them to slow...your...dog........doooowwwwnnn.

And please pretty please next time remember to trim off all the stuff
down there below my signature! Thanks.
Chris O

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2e. Re: can I feed another protein early?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:49 am ((PDT))

"john masson" <johnmasson@...> wrote:
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> no, he walked away and I did not allow him the opportunity to eat
it--he seemed distracted. I threw away what he vomitted(I didn't
realize that they could re-eat it) . I offered him the remaining of
the ribs maybe 10 miutes later and he seemed to have enjoyed it and
kept it down. I just think he ate too quickly. I believe it would
make sense to offer his next meal in smaller doses?
> thanks
*****
I would say larger doses. Smaller just makes it easier for the dog to
inhale the meal. You want to slow the meal down, not make it
smaller. So larger and/or more complicated would be reasonable.

And please remember to trim the old stuff from your messages. Thanks.
Chris O

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> Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: can I feed another protein early?
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3a. Re: pork
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:22 am ((PDT))

If you guys encountered loose stools at the beginning, it might be
advisable to remove a little of the fat at first. Don't get into the
habit of trimming all the fat, though, every day let them have a little
more so they work up their bowel tolerance. Eventually you'll be able
to toss each one a whole pork roast and let them eat what they will, no
more cutting and trimming involved!

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Linda H. Gower <pudeltime@...> wrote:
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> Among the freezer burnt items that I discovered was a pork roast. Its
time to add another meat to the boys diet so I thawed the roast last
night. Upon hacking it into chunks I realized just how fatty it was
underneath. Is it best for me to carve some of that fat off, or what?

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4a. Re: pork ribs
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:22 am ((PDT))

Pork ribs are a favorite at my house. Unfortunately I rarely find them
for less than $1.50/lb so the boys only get them on special occasions.
Most of the time they have a goodly amount of meat on them, but if you
can see the rib bones clearly you might want to add some meaty meat to
the party.

> Each time I feed something new...I feel anxiety...then relief when he
> is able to eat it.

Just wait. . .eventually you'll get so excited watching them eat you'll
find yourself shopping for them more often than you shop for yourself.
(=

Andrea

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4b. Re: pork ribs
Posted by: "nwohiopma" nwohiopma@yahoo.com nwohiopma
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:25 am ((PDT))

Hi Cindi,

Pork ribs are a staple of my Collies' diet. But I cut off the portion
of bone on the side that the butcher's blade cut - I'm not sure if
it's the breast bone or back bone, but I always remove it because it
looks dried out and in danger of splintering.

I always feed at least 4 ribs in a chunk, or my gulpers swallow them
whole. The next meal is always meat without bone, because the ribs
are pretty boney.

They look like a normal rack of ribs.

Western style ribs have a bone in them, but I cut that bone out and
just give them the meat. I have them cut twice as wide as the human
serving. They make a great meat meal after a meal of pork spare ribs.

Candace and the 4 Collies

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "morkydzgrl" <ShankMa4@...> wrote:
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> Can I feed my dog pork ribs? They are called spare ribs. Is this the
> part I want?

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4c. Re: pork ribs
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:58 am ((PDT))

>Can I feed my dog pork ribs? They are called spare ribs

Hi. Yes,you can. I fed Spare rib before andmy dog had no prob with crunching. Pork rib bone is soft.Don't worry.

In case you like to know what i have fed before in Pork Category,I fed...

*Pork spare ribs/baby back ribs
*Prk Neck
*Pork feet
*pork ear
*Pork Tongue
*Pork heart
*Boneless Pork meat

Pork feet is more like recreational,and ear is I see it as snack.

Hope this helps.

yassy

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4d. Re: pork ribs
Posted by: "Olga" olga.drozd@gmail.com olga_d
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:13 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "morkydzgrl" <ShankMa4@...> wrote:
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> Can I feed my dog pork ribs? They are called spare ribs. Is this the
> part I want? I feel worried to feed the wrong part of a carcass.

Here's a little reference that will help you to identify animal parts:
http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/meatcharts.html

I think you can feed most any part of pork, except for things that are
too small or have artificially sharp bones (like pork chops).

Olga

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5.1. tripe
Posted by: "lhmcmaken" lhmcmaken@yahoo.com lhmcmaken
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:47 am ((PDT))

is the tripe in the store a good organ to feed or do i need to get the
green tripe? thanks.
take care,
lynda maude and franklin

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5.2. Re: tripe
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:34 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lhmcmaken" <lhmcmaken@...> wrote:
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> is the tripe in the store a good organ to feed or do i need to get the
> green tripe? thanks.
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Yes, you want green tripe. No, you do not want any tripe that is sold
in a supermarket or grocery store.

Check the CarnivoreFeed-Supplier list (on Yahoo) or Google "green
tripe" or buy direct from a farm or ranch.
Chris O

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5.3. Re: tripe
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:38 am ((PDT))

>is the tripe in the store a good organ to feed

HI. No,that is washed and bleached.It is NOT what you want. If you live western side of US,you can get Green tripe from www.greentripe.com with probably so so shipping fee,but if you live in eastern side of US,I think hare today gone tomorrow in PA will be good for shipping fee.

Or you can try finding distributor of Omas Pride or Bravo.I am sure they carry tripe as well.

I hear from tripe.com person that if they in CA ship to CA for example during this time, it will be with DHL and overnight and 57 dollars shipping fee.

or if you could find coop near you,it maybe more reasonable price to order.

yassy

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6a. Re: Intro - Newbie
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:05 am ((PDT))

Welcome, Renate! You did right to follow your gut, this group is
really helpful, probably the best source for newbie feeders.

> I've searched the messages and learned that cold-turkey is the way
> to go, but these 2 fosters are a digestive mess as it is (I've only
> had them a couple of days) and I've been trying to wean them
> over to the Canidae.

If they are already prone to digestive upset, you want to start slow
and steady. At first feed a little less than you think they will
eventually be eating and divide it into two meals a day. Don't add
any organs for the time being, and stick with chicken for a couple of
weeks to let them settle in.

Mixing raw and ki**le isn't advisable, especailly for a dog that
already has tummy upsets. The foods digest at different rates, so it
ends up that one of the foods doesn't digest properly.

> Oh, I also have 2 cats, one too fat and one too thin - both on
> Felidae.

Cats are (pun intended) a completely different animal. You can use
the tough love approach with dogs since a healthy dog won't starve
itself, but you can't do the same with cats. Offer the cats some cut
up meat next to their regular food and see what happens. Some cats
take right to raw (these are rare, mythical creatures to me), but
some (like mine) take some. . .imagination to get them going.

My best advice for cats: offer lots of variety. What is poison for
one cat might be ambrosia to another. In my house, pork is the magic
food.

Just make sure you always get the cats to eat *something* during the
day, especially the fatty. The rawcat list is chock full of tips and
schemes to switch cats over. Good luck to all of you!

Andrea

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7a. Neyla won't eat lamb neck bones anymore - help!
Posted by: "Jen" jboydmorin@gmail.com choirgirl_21
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:40 am ((PDT))

The last two times I have fed Neyla her lamb necks, she won't eat the
bone when she gets down to it. These are the really meaty whole necks
(about 2 1/2 lbs each) that I've referred to before. Before feeding
these two, I tried some lamb shanks that Peter had offered to me and
Neyla got the bone stuck on her teeth a couple of times. I pulled it
off and gave it back to her. When it happened another time or two, I
just threw the bone away. So I'm wondering if she now associates lamb
bone with that experience. She did continue to try to eat the lamb
shank when I gave it back though, even though it kept getting stuck.

Any other ideas? She's eating her chicken quarters like normal, it's
just the lamb bone. She also had her annual exam last month and her
teeth checked out perfectly. We have an appt with an orthopedist
tomorrow for a separate issue so I am going to ask him to check her
mouth just in case something popped up out of nowhere, but given that
she's eating everything else normally including hard dehydrated
chicken treats I doubt that's it.

It really seems like the shank caused the problem but I'd love to hear
any other ideas. And any input on what to do if that was it - keep
trying and hopefully she'll go back to eating them?

Thanks,
Jen

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7b. Re: Neyla won't eat lamb neck bones anymore - help!
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:33 am ((PDT))

>The last two times I have fed Neyla her lamb necks, she won't eat the bone when she gets >down to it.

Hi,I personally don't feed lamb shank because I read that it sprinter very sharp. I don't feed any animals feet except pork feet and the one I try and see feeding ;recreational cow hooves.

Diet itself require lots of meat and bit of bone..so,I don't worry about dog does not eat bone/don't touch the bone.Your dog seem to enjoy chicken bone.

If you like to give bone from lamb,maybe lamb ribs will be safer and softer,andyou will be more comfortable feeding it.

The bone your dog don't touch.. maybe you could try giving it months later and see if the dog act same.

Your dog still can get bone from other animals right? So,it is not like dog not getting any bone in diet so, I think that is ok.The dog still can get bone from Turkey,pork etc..

I don't go deep thinking feeding bone. As long as dog get lots of boneless meat from various animals with bit of bone from any critters,I think that's fine.

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8a. snack ideas for small breed (alaskan klee kai) and meal plan
Posted by: "tinamdeloia" tinamdeloia@msn.com tinamdeloia
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:57 am ((PDT))

Hi everyone, this is my first post. I'm fairly new at the raw
feeding. just learning the dos and don'ts. I'm curious what brands
you guys like. I'm using the Natures Variety medialions and Bravo
tubes. I'm a little confused on what my options are for snacks.
She's a very small dog, 6 month old alaskan klee kai. shes 8 lbs
right now. i wouldn't want to give her something too large. A lot
of the raw bones, like ham bones, are humungous. they would go bad
before she puts a dent in it. thats the other thing too, do you just
keep whats left of the snack bone in the refrigerator for a few days
of enjoyment and then toss it? Also, how much variety in the meats
does she need? The Natures Variety brand raw food medalions is
supposed to be complete. it contains meat, bones and organs and also
some veggies. not sure why it needs veggies but... Right now, i
change it up each day, lamb in the morning, beef at night, or salmon
or a duck neck and something else at night...so forth and so on. Is
this a good regiman? Am I missing any important factors in the mix?
From what i've learned so far they need meat, bone, and organ meat.
is this correct? and what about the so called essential oil
supplements? Don't they get what they need from the food? And what
do you think about the Natures Variety Raw Instinct freeze dried raw
meat bio-coating kibble? For the necessary times. Sorry, so many
questions. Any help appreciated (and needed) Tina

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8b. Re: snack ideas for small breed (alaskan klee kai) and meal plan
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:33 am ((PDT))

Hi, Tina, welcome to the group! You've started the path to giving
your pup a wonderfully healthy diet, but you've got a ways to go
still, and we can help you there.

While prepackaged food is leaps and bounds better than ki**le, it
still has a lot to be desired. One things dogs really need is to
crunch and tear at their food, it keeps their teeth sparkling white
and nourishes them mentally as well. Feeding prepackaged ground food
does nothing for their dental or mental health.

Prepackaged raw also contains lots of veggies and supplements that
dogs just don't need. You're right to wonder why they put the
veggies in the mix, dogs are carnivores, and carnivores don't need
that stuff.

So let's bring you the rest of the way to whole raw prey model
feeding. The best thing you could feed your dog is whole prey (elk,
deer, cow, rabbit, chicken, etc.) with head, feet, hide and all.
Since most of us can't manage that, we use the resources we have to
approximate a prey animal. A variety of parts from a variety of
animals takes care of all the nutritional needs.

It's more easy than I'm making it sound, really. Feed mostly meat,
some bone, and some organs. An estimate of the ratios you want to
feed is 80% meat, 10% bone, 10% organs.

The first time you watch your little klee kai tear into a chicken
quarter you'll see what I mean about the mental stimulation it gives
to dogs. Prey model might take a little more effort at first than
pre packaged, but it is so much better and easier in the long run.
Not to mention *much* less expensive!

> what about the so called essential oil supplements? Don't they get
> what they need from the food?

You are correct, a good varied raw diet will supply your pup with
everything needed. However, unless you buy grass-fed beef and such,
the meat will be lacking in O3's. Some people supplement with fish
body oil to give back those fatty acids.

> And what do you think about the Natures Variety Raw Instinct freeze
> dried raw meat bio-coating kibble? For the necessary times.

So far I haven't had any need to have freeze dried food, though it
might be useful for an emergency kit. When I go camping or on long
trips, the dogs usually eat big the day before and eat small meals
while we are traveling. Most places you go will have supermarkets
where you can get a chicken for cheap.

Congrats again on coming this far, and I hope you let us nudge you
towards the joys of prey model raw!

Andrea

p.s. - I forgot, your original question. Recreational chews aren't
as necessary when you feed whole food (another plus), but I give my
pups pig's feet, beef feet, and raw pig's ears for chewing fun.

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9.1. Re: Confused
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:14 am ((PDT))

> What cuts of beef can I feed?

Hi,here are things i fed..in Beef Category.

* Beef Short Ribs (I chose Short ribs because it had 2-3 inches of meat with bone. It did not come with slabs but,my dog worked out pretty good with ripping off meat from bone by holding the bone there for 90 min and ate all bone as well)

* Will feed Ox tail tomorrow (not sure ifshe eats bone all or not.Have to see)

*Beef Neck (my dog ate all bone except one time left me small bone left for me to pick up)

*Beef Tongue
*Beef Heart
*Boneless Beef (Any cut you like)
*Beef Cheek meat

*Will try give recreational Cow hooves this weekends so,not sure how much she will work with this too

As for feeding,already others pointed out nicely so,I would not repeat here but rule is,go slowly and be patient and give one new thing at a time.

Good Luck

yassy

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9.2. Re: Confused
Posted by: "Olga" olga.drozd@gmail.com olga_d
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:00 am ((PDT))

Hi Dawn,

My second protein choice (after chicken) would be turkey or pork. In
my experience beef and lamb are both pretty "rich". Which is not to
say that you can't feed it, but I would probably try it as a boneless
chunk of beef with some bone-in chicken, rather than a whole bone-in
beef meal. This should make it easier also, since edible beef bones
are not common.

Fish oil capsules are the (only) supplement I use. You can start
adding them if you'd like, or wait until your dogs are a bit more used
to raw. I'd suggest starting fish oil slowly and building up to the
full dose you want to give. Also, it's a good idea to introduce one
new thing at a time, so I wouldn't do the new protein and fish oil at
once, cause in case of problems you won't know which caused it.

Hope that helps,
Olga

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9.3. Re: Confused
Posted by: "Tina Deloia" tinamdeloia@msn.com tinamdeloia
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:37 am ((PDT))

I was just wondering where you got these cuts of meat. At a specialty pet store or do you visit the butcher and freeze yourself? Is it safe to visit the butcher shop because they are expecting us humans to cook their meat, not give it raw. Where do you find all the strange cuts i see like ox, quail, etc. The pet store near us has some wild game, i.e. venisson, rabbit, lamb, actually the lamb is ground food from Bravo or Natures Variety. I know someone who orders online also. what do you think of that?

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To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.comFrom: sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.comDate: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:59:30 -0700Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] Confused

> What cuts of beef can I feed? Hi,here are things i fed..in Beef Category.* Beef Short Ribs (I chose Short ribs because it had 2-3 inches of meat with bone. It did not come with slabs but,my dog worked out pretty good with ripping off meat from bone by holding the bone there for 90 min and ate all bone as well)* Will feed Ox tail tomorrow (not sure ifshe eats bone all or not.Have to see)*Beef Neck (my dog ate all bone except one time left me small bone left for me to pick up)*Beef Tongue*Beef Heart*Boneless Beef (Any cut you like)*Beef Cheek meat*Will try give recreational Cow hooves this weekends so,not sure how much she will work with this tooAs for feeding,already others pointed out nicely so,I would not repeat here but rule is,go slowly and be patient and give one new thing at a time.Good Luckyassy---------------------------------Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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10a. Re: This vegetarian met her match in a turkey! Help!
Posted by: "Olga" olga.drozd@gmail.com olga_d
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:32 am ((PDT))

Ok, maybe cutting a chicken would have been good practice. ;)

I've got a big old knife that I use for hacking up the turkey, but you
might have good luck with a cleaver also (that damn breast bone is
really hard). I use a smaller serrated knife to get through most of
it too, and I try to cut along joints to make it easier (and to avoid
making pokey things for the dogs to eat).

Usually I cut the leg quarters off first. Then I cut off the wings
with a hunk of breast meat still attached (I use the skin to keep the
meat together with the wing), or I cut down the middle of the
breastbone and keep the wing with that. It really depends though, on
the size of your dogs.

I found some picture guides online for cutting up a turkey, but they
were all meant for human cooking and divide it up into tiny little
pieces so I didn't want to post them here. You could google it just
to get you started if you want...

Finally, I have found that cutting a still-partially-frozen turkey is
easier than completely thawed, although it's pretty cold on your
hands. But it does reduce the slimey-ness.

Olga

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11. where to feed dogs
Posted by: "swilken61" powrfemme@aol.com swilken61
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:34 am ((PDT))

Hello everyone,

Any tips on how to keep the dogs from running all over the house with
their food? My kitchen has two entrances that are too wide for even
the largest ready made baby gate. The dogs like eat on the couch,
that is where, prior to eating raw, they would chew their bully
sticks. If they have any large bones, that's where they head. This is
something I'd like to stop if possible. So far I cover the couch with
towels before I feed them, and I do have a slipcover, but I am
foreseeing a lot of laundry in my life.

The screened in porch is not out of the question, but it is far away
from the kitchen and I like to monitor them, especially since we are
still relatively new, to ensure they do not choke on their bones.
Initially, at least, I would have to close the door leading from the
porch to the house so they wouldn't bring the food back inside. So
once they have their food, I usually make my lunch or do stuff in
sight or earshot of where they are, so that if something goes awry, I
can help.

Any suggestions would be appreciates.

Thanks,
Stephany

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