Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 11980

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: The Care and Feeding of Mastiffs
From: mgitaville
1b. Re: The Care and Feeding of Mastiffs
From: mgitaville
1c. Re: Amount to Feed
From: cynthia iparraguirre
1d. Re: Amount to Feed
From: Olga

2a. Re: where to feed dogs
From: S.R. Sudekum
2b. Re: where to feed dogs
From: Lisa

3. Buying group in the Twin Cities? (MN)
From: Mary Whetsel

4a. Re: pork
From: Laurie Swanson

5a. 10 mo Dane
From: karimlizette
5b. Re: 10 mo Dane
From: Sandee Lee
5c. Re: 10 mo Dane
From: costrowski75

6a. Re: feeding mostly chicken
From: Sue
6b. Re: feeding mostly chicken
From: Laurie Swanson

7a. Re: Dog not wanting to eat pork necks
From: vickies_28
7b. Re: Dog not wanting to eat pork necks
From: vickies_28
7c. Re: Dog not wanting to eat pork necks
From: costrowski75

8a. Re: not eating enough
From: blue eyed

9a. Re: Intro - Newbie
From: Renate Hotchkiss

10a. New and with issues
From: blue eyed

11. thanks ane new puppy
From: Mary

12a. Re: Need support on raw feeding
From: johkemp

13a. Re: Vet disagrees with raw
From: johkemp

14. Thyroid/Valley Fever/Glucosamine
From: my3jcs

15a. Re: vet says Yeay to rawfeeding
From: johkemp

16.1. Re: Why not to feed raw with kibble
From: Kathleen

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1a. Re: The Care and Feeding of Mastiffs
Posted by: "mgitaville" mgitaville@hotmail.com mgitaville
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:09 pm ((PDT))

>
> Yes, 4lbs for an 80# pup is too much. You should aim to start
> between 2%-3% of his body weight which in this case is equal to
> roughly 1.5lb to 2.4 lbs. I would lean closer to 2-2.5lbs personally
> given a pups have a pretty good metabolism generally at 7 months.

*****Well, clearly I wasn't paying attention to my own post as I wrote
it. I spoke of him being a puppy in one breath and then completely
forgot that fact as I wrote about the correct amount to feed. The post
that followed corrected my oversight....

It should be 2-3% of his full grown adult weight.

Marguerita

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1b. Re: The Care and Feeding of Mastiffs
Posted by: "mgitaville" mgitaville@hotmail.com mgitaville
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:10 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
>
> "mgitaville" <mgitaville@> wrote:
> >
> > *****Yes, 4lbs for an 80# pup is too much. You should aim to start
> > between 2%-3% of his body weight which in this case is equal to
> > roughly 1.5lb to 2.4 lbs. I would lean closer to 2-2.5lbs
> personally
> > given a pups have a pretty good metabolism generally at 7 months.
> *****
> Now hold on. If the adult dog will weigh 200lb, then four pounds is
> two percent of adult weight and there's nothing wrong with that. And
> there's no question that a Mastiff ain't gonna grow up small.
>

****Chris, you beat me to it before I could correct my own mistake.
After I posted this I realized I was forgetting the part about the dog
being a pup when calculating the percentages. OOPS! Raw 101 overlooked!

Marguerita

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1c. Re: Amount to Feed
Posted by: "cynthia iparraguirre" cyn7711@yahoo.com cyn7711
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:28 pm ((PDT))

Hi,
I'm fairly new at this and I was wondering if how much to feed my 70 lb, 14 month lab? I have heard 2-3% of their body weight, but is that daily amount or each individual meal should be 2-3% of their weight?

Also, lately she has not been carring much for raw, to the point that she will go for 2-3 days without eating, and when it begins to worry me I feed her organic raw food (w/no bi-products, or grains), I'm not sure what do.

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1d. Re: Amount to Feed
Posted by: "Olga" olga.drozd@gmail.com olga_d
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:44 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, cynthia iparraguirre <cyn7711@...>
wrote:
> I'm fairly new at this and I was wondering if how much to feed my
> 70 lb, 14 month lab? I have heard 2-3% of their body weight, but is
> that daily amount or each individual meal should be 2-3% of their
> weight?

This is a daily amount. If you were feeding two meals a day, you
would add both meals to get that amount. Although at 14 months there
is no need to feed twice a day, and I would definitely suggest
switching to one.

> Also, lately she has not been carring much for raw, to the point
> that she will go for 2-3 days without eating, and when it begins to
> worry me I feed her organic raw food (w/no bi-products, or grains),

Switching to one meal a day will help with that because she will be
more hungry at meal time and more willing to eat. Also, what are you
feeding? Is it a pre-made ground food? Does it have veggies? If
yes, that might be your answer right there.

How is her weight? How does she act, does she have energy?

Olga

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2a. Re: where to feed dogs
Posted by: "S.R. Sudekum" ssudekum@centurytel.net fassue
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:12 pm ((PDT))

mgitaville wrote:
>
> ****Agree completely with this post. I think it is important to
> condition dogs to having an "eating place" for many purposes, but in
> particular when having a multiple dog home. With each dog having
> their own place to eat it helps them resist temptations to check out
> the other's food.
>
> Marguerita

That's exactly how I have it arranged for my three. The Dalmatian eats
in my office (she heads straight for it when dinner time rolls around
and dances until she gets her food, lol), the older Corgi eats down in
the Rec room, and the young Corgi is just learning that the spare
bedroom is HIS 'den' for dinner.

I used to give my now-deceased Corgi male his chicken leg quarter, and
tell him to "go to your room!", and he'd merrily trot through the house
into "his" room (the spare bedroom), but would wait until I closed the
door before starting to eat...he was worried the others might try to
take his food away from him.

Funny how they develop their little habits.

Sue in Michigan

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2b. Re: where to feed dogs
Posted by: "Lisa" courteouscanines640@yahoo.com courteouscanines640
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:33 pm ((PDT))

Since my dogs are not "full-time" raw, I have a nice system in place
for when they do get RMB's, which is currently 3-4 times a week, in
the evenings after 6.
I line up all six dogs out on the grass in our backyard, which is
hilariously "astro-turf" as that is a miracle surface for high-drive
agility/herding dogs, and they each are in a down stay 10 feet apart.
They pretty much know when their bone is dropped in front of them that
they have to stay put and not run off. I have three acres here so if
one took off in any direction, I could not very well supervise.
Just in case, I slide down the dog door blocker after learning a gross
lesson last week: Myles, my youngest Aussie, decided I was not
watching close enough and that he could sneak by with bone in mouth to
his favorite spot on the couch in the living room! The little
stinker! Luckily there was no stain or anything because I quickly
escorted him back outside.
While they are eating, I fit in some much needed down time with a good
book or even some internet-surfing, while still in view of my
meat-hungry pups. My rescues-in-training are also treated to some
smaller RMB's, but they eat theirs in their appropriate kennel runs.
The only thing I hate about that set-up is that the bones leave a
residue on the ground that the ants just love to come enjoy, so I have
to do a bit more clean-up than I would like.

I would say the best possible place for eating a time-consuming bone
or meal is in a grassy area, and if your dogs do not have as stellar a
recall or stay down as possible, clip on a long-line leash and attach
it to something sturdy so the dog has to stay near the grass and can't
run off with the bone.

And I would NEVER ever let my dogs eat a bully stick on the couch!
Sorry, that kinda grossed me out. I mean, I would hate to tell a
guest, oh yes, please sit down on my dog's dinner table!

Lisa and her Eight.

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3. Buying group in the Twin Cities? (MN)
Posted by: "Mary Whetsel" chickiboo@gmail.com cooljavachic
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:06 pm ((PDT))

Hi,

I just caught mention in another post of local buying groups, which
sounds marvelous. So now I'm wondering if there is one in my area.
How do you find one of these? Is anyone else on the list in MN?

-Mary

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4a. Re: pork
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:06 pm ((PDT))

Hi Linda,

Depends on how much fat your dogs can tolerate without getting
loose/runny stool. You might want to start by trimming the fat and see
how they do and later you can leave some/all of it on as they progress
well. My dog still can't do lots of fat.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Linda H. Gower <pudeltime@...> wrote:
> Upon hacking it into chunks I realized just how fatty it was
underneath. Is it best for me to carve some of that fat off, or what?
We're talking close to an inch layer of fat with just a thin ribbon of
meat thru it.
>

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5a. 10 mo Dane
Posted by: "karimlizette" karimlizette@gmail.com karimlizette
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:09 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Bronco has been on RAW for about 1 1/2 wk. He is still on whole
chickens that I have quartered. My question is I know you are supposed
to raise the food bowl to prevent Bloat but when I place his bowl on a
chair he will go to it take a piece out and place it on the floor and
eat standing up or sometimes if he's really feeling lazy he will lay
down with it and eat. He still hasnt really warmed up to eating the
chicken, and I am jealous reading that some others on this site really
eat their food with GUSTO! Nice, not Bronco though. He goes up to it
and sniffs and when he gets around to it he will take a piece out like
I said before. Should i be worried?
Thanks,
Karim

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5b. Re: 10 mo Dane
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:19 pm ((PDT))

Karin,

I wouldn't be worried...sounds like he is eating, right? You may need to
begin adding some other foods. Maybe that will perk him up.

Just feed him on the floor and let him chose how to eat...my Danes most
often eat laying down. That is a normal eating position.

The bloat studies revealed that dogs fed from elevated bowls bloated at a
higher rate than those who did not eat from elevated bowls so don't worry
about that aspect.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

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5c. Re: 10 mo Dane
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:54 pm ((PDT))

"karimlizette" <karimlizette@...> wrote:
> My question is I know you are supposed
> to raise the food bowl to prevent Bloat but when I place his bowl on
a
> chair he will go to it take a piece out and place it on the floor and
> eat standing up or sometimes if he's really feeling lazy he will lay
> down with it and eat.
*****
That's cuz a. there is no need to feed with a raised dish (studies
indicate dish height does not affect incidence of bloat and b. he's
smart enough to know that eating should be way more natural than from
bowls.

I suggest you use the bowl only when you are feeding sloppy stuff;
otherwise a big hunk o' food should just be handed out, or perhaps
placed where the dog will be eating.

Whether he stands up or lies down to eat, he's okay.

He goes up to it
> and sniffs and when he gets around to it he will take a piece out
like
> I said before. Should i be worried?
*****
Worry only if he shows signs of illness. Signs of stubbornness you can
wait out; signs of him not quite knowing what to do you can fix.

Getting rid of the bowl might help; feeding larger hunks o' chicken
instead of pieces may also make mealtime more interesting. Also, since
chicken is not a miracle food, if he gets to being really frustrating
but before you cave in and hand feed or retreat to commercial food, you
can simply try a different meat.

Also, if you are lurking or hovering or making little squeaky sounds of
distress or talking babytalk to him, knock it off. Just put the food
down and move away from the dog.

How's he eating other food?
Chris O

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6a. Re: feeding mostly chicken
Posted by: "Sue" fordogs@ptd.net agiledogs2000
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:03 pm ((PDT))

>Thanks to all for your responses to my questions. And Lora, the
chicken site was great and made me realize I need to try harder to add
more variety to his diet. He does get 2 Salmon Oil caps daily which
contain 750 mg of Omega 3. Is that enough for a 60 lb dog? And
Catherine and Laurie thanks for your suggestions also. Last night I
fed him a slab of pork spare ribs without any chicken and he did ok. I
wasn't home when he passed stool but my husband said he didn't have to
wash his butt (hooray). Tonight I fed him pork neck with some pork
brains and a small piece of pork kidney, we'll see how that "works out".
Anyway, I figure a week or so of pork and organs and maybe add
something new, keeping my fingers crossed.
Thanks again
Sue, Gnat (I like pork) & Slick

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6b. Re: feeding mostly chicken
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:19 pm ((PDT))

Great, Sue, glad things are going well. Just also keep in mind that
too much organs and too much new food at once can cause loose stool.
Organs should be around 10% of total diet, with liver being about half
that or a little less. These aren't hard and fast rules, of course,
just a guideline. It's based on what's in a typical prey animal. Lots
of meat, some bone, a bit of organs.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sue" <fordogs@...> wrote:
Tonight I fed him pork neck with some pork
> brains and a small piece of pork kidney, we'll see how that "works
out".
> Anyway, I figure a week or so of pork and organs and maybe add
> something new, keeping my fingers crossed.

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7a. Re: Dog not wanting to eat pork necks
Posted by: "vickies_28" vickies_28@yahoo.com vickies_28
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:04 pm ((PDT))

I have not tried giving him beef bones, just chicken with bones, and
then pork necks. He eats pork meat just fine when given chunks of
it. Beef chunks are fine too. Chicken wings and other part - np.
But when I gave him a pig foot - not really, looked at it, stared at
it, licked and sniffed, and then ate a little, but did not seem to
be too excited and wanted to bury it (was outside). With pork necks -
just ate a bit after sitting next to it for 10 min. Not much
interest and did not finish although seemed hungry.
He has all permanent teeth. Chews on sticks and hard toys.

Vickie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:
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> It could be that he's teething. Both of my pups flat refused to
work
> on any bones that weren't chicken bones while they were teething.
> Tycho even went so far as to strip all the meat off of a duck,
just
> leaving the bare frame. I was worried until I noticed that he had
> begun losing his puppy teeth. Now that all his adult chompers are
in
> he's back to demolishing anything he is given. Geiger had an
> aversion to anything that contained a bone in it, but he'd eat the
> meat off of it.
>
> If he eats boneless pork without himming and hawing, that kind of
> rules out an aversion to pork. What kind of bone in beef does he
get
> and does he gnaw on the beef bones?
>
> Andrea
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "vickies_28" <vickies_28@>
> wrote:
>
> > He will eat the meat chunks of pork just fine with great
appetite,
> > but if I give him a port neck or sholder, whatever has bone in
it -
> > he would just look at it funny, sniff it, leak it and
eventually
> > in about 10 min start eating it. But then will not finish it
> > alghouth seems hungry.
>

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7b. Re: Dog not wanting to eat pork necks
Posted by: "vickies_28" vickies_28@yahoo.com vickies_28
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:06 pm ((PDT))

And I think it would be
> a good idea to check his teeth/mouth to make sure this isn't a
> mechanical problem.
> Chris O
>
Thanks, Chris.
I am positive there is nothing wrong with his teeth/mouth. He chews on
other bones like chicken and toys - really hard. And he's done
teething.
Should I try any other bones? I want him to enjoy the bones like all
dogs do, not stare at it.
Vickie

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7c. Re: Dog not wanting to eat pork necks
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:08 pm ((PDT))

"vickies_28" <vickies_28@...> wrote:
>> Should I try any other bones? I want him to enjoy the bones like all
> dogs do, not stare at it.
*****
Yes, try other bones. Pork necks are not very meaty, pork feet are I
think daunting to many dogs at first. You may have simply chosen a
couple of difficult pork representatives. You might try a slab (mini
or whole) of spare ribs, you might try pork brisket bone (aka riblets):
both have more meat than the neck and both are more accomodating than a
foot.

You could try a turkey thigh or neck (depending on his ability when he
gets going a neck may or may not be useful); also unless you have
sampled all the possible chicken parts, give him a more complicated
body part. Having to adjust to a new presentation of something he's
comfortable with may inspire him.

How long has he been eating raw?
Chris O

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8a. Re: not eating enough
Posted by: "blue eyed" eyed_blue@yahoo.co.uk eyed_blue
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:04 pm ((PDT))

Hi there,
sorry if this is a bit long!
Im another one with a pup like this and he is just not hungry anymore in the mornings. Now that I have stopped the morning meals he eats more since he was getting the chance just to pick a little from each meal before. He was never very food motivated but he is eating more on one main meal at tea time and maybe a bone late evening. If he is not hungry then it will disapear after a few minutes!

Play with feeding times and see what suits them, I think they do start to regulate themselves though as I see this in my dog.

Remember the more variety the better, they are not daft and will work out what they will be eating and hold out for the better stuff!!

try different combinations, instead of giving the offal in one meal every few days add just a little bit to minced meat.......thats whats so good about raw feeding, variety over time.

Also feed a variety of body parts rather than minces or set cuts. My pup has eaten almost a whole lamb this week yet he is interested in the food because its all different shapes/textures even though its the same meat/animal, he has had a whole lambs neck, shoulders including bone, ribs, tripe, heart, liver, minced muscle meat, flank.

I can only say what has worked for my dog but hopefully you might find something helpful in here. I wouldnt think of it as going off raw as my pup starved himself over 4 days on 'complete food'

Natalie

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9a. Re: Intro - Newbie
Posted by: "Renate Hotchkiss" renate.tideswell@gmail.com tideswell_renate
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:10 pm ((PDT))

Thank you Brandi, Casey and Andrea for the welcome and great information. I
will sign up on the cat list. I think I'll start with the dogs first though
and see how it goes.

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>
> If they are already prone to digestive upset, you want to start slow
> and steady. At first feed a little less than you think they will
> eventually be eating and divide it into two meals a day. Don't add
> any organs for the time being, and stick with chicken for a couple of
> weeks to let them settle in.
>
> Mixing raw and ki**le isn't advisable, especailly for a dog that
> already has tummy upsets. The foods digest at different rates, so it
> ends up that one of the foods doesn't digest properly.
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>

>They do have very bad stomach upset but they have been fed only chicken
> wieners and ham sandwich spread for the past year, and a few treats called
> T-Bonz, so I don't know that they are the ones that have a problem.LOL
> Do you think I should just start them on raw immediately anyway? The female
> has lost about a quarter of her hair and they both have a really awful odor
> that doesn't go with bathing. I bathed them once and the groomer did the
> male once and the female twice (that's in the last 3 days) and they still
> smell very bad. And feel greasy. But with a diet like that i guess it could
> be related. I don't think I'd have a problem getting them to eat raw. We
> were barbequeing chicken Tuesday night and they all got treats of the
> 'parson's nose' and they gobbled it up. I think I'm convincing myself here
> LOL, Especially since they really don't want to eat ki**le. Does anyone
> have any further input, I'd appreciate it as this is totally new to me, but
> since I'm cleaning up messes every day from them anyway, even if there were
> a problem, how would that be different? But if there were a problem, how
> would I know? EEeeekk I am really confused now
>

>
>

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Renate
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10a. New and with issues
Posted by: "blue eyed" eyed_blue@yahoo.co.uk eyed_blue
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:12 pm ((PDT))

Not only was it a huge headache to gather and prepare but
the cost was too much for us to keep up with and to top it off the
dogs had digestive issues with the veggies, fruit and grains, go figure!

I'm sure our pup will LOVE the new diet but I'm just having a hard
time getting it through my head that meats, bones and eggs are the
only things needed to keep her healthy and strong.

I hope you dont mind me quoting and highlighting your post but I think it shows how you have answered your own worries, if you know what I mean.

you say you are having a problem with them only needing the RMB's and eggs yet you have already experienced why they dont need the other stuff yourself!
Maybe Im slow and have missed something?

Im fairly new to feeding raw but I will never look back, I dont feed the pulped veg as it dosnt sit well with my pup either, (thats when I started finding out about the prey model......) however Im not against him getting some of these foods now and again, for example, we were on a walk and there were raspberries growing so I picked some and they were a recall treat.

I think pet food companies have been good at conditioning us, ie a dog must have this, that.....

Natalie

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11. thanks ane new puppy
Posted by: "Mary" borter@charter.net jrtbc02
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:14 pm ((PDT))

I just got a new 11 week old JRT puppy and wanted to thank all of you for
all the help with raw feeding. Have been feeding the other JRTs raw for
about 6 months with good results.
Today this little puppy (3.8 lbs) ate almost a whole chicken leg. She
didn't eat the bone but chewed on it awhile. It kept her busy for about 30
minutes and when she had had enough I took it away. she seems sleepy and
happy now.
Thanks again for all your great support and information.
Mary

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Spiffy Spot Salon for Dogs
borter@charter.net

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12a. Re: Need support on raw feeding
Posted by: "johkemp" johkemp@yahoo.com.au johkemp
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:14 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "vickies_28" <vickies_28@...>
wrote:
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> "My husband and all family opposed that, and now that we got
another dog, they say I will kill this one with the raw diet as I did
kill the first one. Sometimes I really doubt myself, maybe I was the
one to cause the death of my beloved puppy by feeding him raw."

Vickie - it is hard to talk to the little voice in your head
sometimes but hopefully the other postings will reinforce the
knowledge that you are in no way to blame for your pup's illness. I
find it hard to understand that the people who are supposed to
support you can be so cruel and ignorant.

If your family are so convinced by mass marketing about the value
of "scientifically balanced crap" hire 'super-size me' from the video
store. Kibble is McDonalds for dogs.

I would highly recommend buying Tom Lonsdale's books - Raw Meaty
Bones and Work Wonders. These are great for your own information and
the show scaremongers that you know what you are doing.

Good luck and have fun with your new pup.

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13a. Re: Vet disagrees with raw
Posted by: "johkemp" johkemp@yahoo.com.au johkemp
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:45 pm ((PDT))

Kris,

It could be that he just finds it hard to recommend a generic, non-
patentable product that does not attract commissions.

Sometimes it is just easier to glaze over and say 'uhm - okay' and
leave it at that.

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14. Thyroid/Valley Fever/Glucosamine
Posted by: "my3jcs" my3jcs@yahoo.com my3jcs
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:46 pm ((PDT))

Thanks to everyone for all your help. I have a couple more questions
and want to get your opinion. One of my boys is on medication for
thyroid and Valley Fever. In another post, someone mentioned possibly
needing additional supplements if there were medical issues. With
thyroid and VF, would that be the case? The only supplement I give is
Fish Oil. I also have a boxer mix with early kidney failure and hip
dysplasia. I give him a Glycoflex daily (glucosamine mix). I
recently heard gluc. is not good for dogs. If I take him off, I'm
afraid he will be in a lot of pain as he has trouble getting up
sometimes and walks very slowly. Thank goodness my other dog is
healthy!

Thank you!

Carol
Rex,Rocky,Mack

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15a. Re: vet says Yeay to rawfeeding
Posted by: "johkemp" johkemp@yahoo.com.au johkemp
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:06 pm ((PDT))

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> "johkemp" <johkemp@> wrote:
> > >When I explain how I feed my pets my answer is
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> > "A prey model diet based around Raw Meaty Bones. This includes
offal and the occasional table scraps."
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> What kind of RMBs are you feeding?
> Chris O
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Hi Chris,

By 'based around' I meant as part of most meals. Yes I do feed meat
off the bones to try and ensure adequate amounts eg if it is a
chicken wing day then my pup will get some chuck steak or kangaroo
meat too. She loves chicken drumsticks as well. How about I change
it to "this includes chunks of meat, offal and the occasional table
scraps?"

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16.1. Re: Why not to feed raw with kibble
Posted by: "Kathleen" kbabcock1@yahoo.com kbabcock1
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:20 pm ((PDT))

Interesting about this digestion piece. There is a diet-one of many we have tried, that the only great thing we really got from it is why you don't pollute your own stomach with carbs after heavy meat meal. Your stomach uses tremendous amounts of hydrochloric acid to digest meat, if you dump in the carbs, the acid is cut and takes longer to digest. Same with fruits, if you have fruit, make it the first item you eat, as it goes through your stomach quickly, if you eat it as a desert, now it putrefies waiting to be digested behind the meat. The diet was called the Save your life diet. Very interesting principles that taught us a lot about what can mix with what. I have to assume, the same thing goes for dogs, that is if you feed them anything other than meat meals.

Kathleen and TAMI (Tuxedo Greyhound)

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