[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11982

There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: PIG HEAD AND MAGGOTS...
From: linoleum5017

2a. Re: snack ideas for small breed (alaskan klee kai) and meal plan
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

3a. Re: problem with pooped out bone
From: jmwise80

4a. Re: introduced pork today...question
From: lar07911

5a. Re: I need to find a Holistic Vet in the Dallas area....
From: Pamela Picard
5b. Re: I need to find a Holistic Vet in the Dallas area....
From: Sarra
5c. Re: I need to find a Holistic Vet in the Dallas area....
From: Katie
5d. Re: I need to find a Holistic Vet in the Dallas area....
From: coriowen

6. Need help! Tartar build-up
From: cris_milam

7a. Re: My intro...
From: linoleum5017

8a. Pork Liver
From: Penelope Quillen

9. Big chunks of food - when do I take it away?
From: trayck

10. obstruction?
From: tinamdeloia

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1a. Re: PIG HEAD AND MAGGOTS...
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:45 pm ((PDT))

Lora,

Welcome back! I have missed you greatly. You had a lot of wisdom to
share.

Lynne

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Bearhair <bearhair@...> wrote:
>
> Any leftover maggots will die quickly - they'll starve and
dehydrate, if the
> dogs don't find them first. Calm down, get a fan out, and try to get
as much
> bug spray out of the dog's environment as you can.
>
> Lora
> Evanston
>

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2a. Re: snack ideas for small breed (alaskan klee kai) and meal plan
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:55 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/30/2007 4:04:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,"Tina
Deloia" writes:

So where do you purchase such strange cuts of meat?

>
>
Hi, Tina,

In addition to places that others have suggested, I've located a small,
privately run specialty food market that was only a few miles from me but I never
even knew was there, which has been my source for beef kidney and some cuts
of lamb. The only organ meat the grocery stores around me carry is liver, so
I was happy to find kidney. The only place I've found beef tongue is in
Wal-Mart, and I feed a good bit of that. My town (Louisville) has a number of
farmers' markets from spring until fall, and I've made a contact there for beef
heart that a feed a good bit of, and another contact raises rabbits. Also I
located an exotic pets shop that sells baby chicks to snake people. If I could
find a bait shop with whole fish I'd have happy kitties, as my cats love fish
but lately I have only found talapia that are whole and with heads, and they
sure did like the whole salmon I was able to get back in the spring!

Just look around wherever you can think--and some places that you don't
really think might surprise you.

Be forewarned--this business of hunting new foods for your pets can be a
little addictive. :)

Lynda

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3a. Re: problem with pooped out bone
Posted by: "jmwise80" jmwise80@yahoo.com jmwise80
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:56 pm ((PDT))

Out of curiosity, what were you feeding when he had the bone
obstruction?

Michael Wise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "nat_franc" <chickenchucker@...>
wrote:
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> history: atticus, 7mo boxer, had an acute attack of pancreatitis
and
> IBD compounded with a bone obstruction that required surgery 3 1/2
> weeks ago. i started to ease him back onto raw last night, double
> ground skinless leg quarters. he has eaten 4 meals of about half
> cooked bone in leg quarters and half ground raw. i was all happy
> because things were going well. well, tonight he did looser that
> usual poop FULL of ground bone pieces, now i am not worried about
the
> bone as i double ground it and the pieces were very small. and i
> added Prozyme to each meal he had. but that poop had a ton of bone
> in it, which means he is not digesting very well. the only
medication
> he is on is clindamyacine (sp?) supplements: fish oil, vit.E, ester
C,
> L-glutamine, and L-lysine, oh and benadryl and robitussin, for his
> allergies and bronchitis.
> help!
>
>
> natalie
>

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4a. Re: introduced pork today...question
Posted by: "lar07911" lar07911@yahoo.com lar07911
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:58 pm ((PDT))

should say 2pm.

Sorry about that!

Laura

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5a. Re: I need to find a Holistic Vet in the Dallas area....
Posted by: "Pamela Picard" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:18 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "coriowen" <COwen98@...> wrote:
>
> I actually live SE of Dallas, out near Canton. If anyone knows of one
> closer to Rockwall, or Mesquite or one that is in the Easern side of
> Dallas, I would really appreciate the recommendation. I found a site
> to check for holistic vets in different states/cities and not many came
> up, so I thought I would ask. I would like a vet that will accept a
> Raw Fed dog and doesn't try to lecture you about the dog being fed
>
> Cori
>
***

Dr. Charles Vandermause recommends raw feeding, offers Chinese
medicine, acupuncture as well as conventional veterinary diagnostic
and surgical services.

Crystal Mountain Animal Hospital
Harmonizing Eastern and Western Medicine
8947 Bee Caves Road, Suite 206
Austin, Texas 78746
Phone: 512-263-2900
FAX: 512-263-8399

To far from Dallas, but call. Maybe he can refer you to a colleague in
your area.

It took me a loooooong time to find him; so define what services you
need and don't give up.

Pamela Picard
http://www.pet-wellness-update.com
http://aimees-law.blogspot.com/
aimees_law-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

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5b. Re: I need to find a Holistic Vet in the Dallas area....
Posted by: "Sarra" wildlycrafty@gmail.com sarradee
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:55 am ((PDT))

coriowen wrote:
> I actually live SE of Dallas, out near Canton. If anyone knows of one
> closer to Rockwall, or Mesquite or one that is in the Easern side of
> Dallas, I would really appreciate the recommendation.

I don't have any personal experience with any of the vets on this list.

http://www.dogpack.com/directory/DFWHolisticVets.html

Sarra

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5c. Re: I need to find a Holistic Vet in the Dallas area....
Posted by: "Katie" kcrockett@mac.com kcrockettla7
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:56 am ((PDT))

My vet is in Plano - slightly north of Dallas. She is not a proponent of a raw diet, but doesn't
give me grief about it either. (And she is AWESOME!!!) However - she has a vet that works
with her who is a holistic vet, I believe. I'm not sure she embraces a prey model, but she
might be worth talking to. E-mail me off list and I'll give you her info.

...katie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Pamela Picard" <pet.wellness@...> wrote:
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "coriowen" <COwen98@> wrote:
> >
> > I actually live SE of Dallas, out near Canton. If anyone knows of one
> > closer to Rockwall, or Mesquite or one that is in the Easern side of
> > Dallas, I would really appreciate the recommendation.

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5d. Re: I need to find a Holistic Vet in the Dallas area....
Posted by: "coriowen" COwen98@aol.com coriowen
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:57 am ((PDT))

Pamela,
I sure do appreciate Dr. V.'s name and number. My parents live down
in Georgetown but still a looong drive for us. I will call tomorrow
and see if they have any recommendations here in the Dallas area for
me. I need one soon. I have to have my youngest spayed, ASAP.
Cori
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "coriowen" <COwen98@> wrote:
> >
> > I actually live SE of Dallas, out near Canton. If anyone knows
of one
> > closer to Rockwall, or Mesquite or one that is in the Easern side
of
> > Dallas, I would really appreciate the recommendation. I found a
site
> > to check for holistic vets in different states/cities and not
many came
> > up, so I thought I would ask. I would like a vet that will
accept a
> > Raw Fed dog and doesn't try to lecture you about the dog being
fed
> >
> > Cori
> >
> ***
>
> Dr. Charles Vandermause recommends raw feeding, offers Chinese
> medicine, acupuncture as well as conventional veterinary diagnostic
> and surgical services.
>
> Crystal Mountain Animal Hospital
> Harmonizing Eastern and Western Medicine
> 8947 Bee Caves Road, Suite 206
> Austin, Texas 78746
> Phone: 512-263-2900
> FAX: 512-263-8399
>
> To far from Dallas, but call. Maybe he can refer you to a colleague
in
> your area.
>
> It took me a loooooong time to find him; so define what services you
> need and don't give up.
>
> Pamela Picard
> http://www.pet-wellness-update.com
> http://aimees-law.blogspot.com/
> aimees_law-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
> ***Sign the petition***
> Exempt Sick & Senior Pets from Rabies Shots
> http://www.petitiononline.com/tdsh2007/petition.html
>

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6. Need help! Tartar build-up
Posted by: "cris_milam" cmilam@comcast.net cris_milam
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:55 am ((PDT))

Duncan, our greyhound, has been on raw since December. He came to
us in late November having had a dental -- not a very thorough one,
but one that was okay. My problem is that he is building up tartar
on his teeth. I need help coming up with some foods that will help
do a better job of cleaning his teeth than what I am currently
feeding him.

The core of Duncan's diet is a mix of turkey necks, chicken, beef
heart, pork (more often boneless or nearly so than not), and liver.
He also gets bear necks, steaks, turkey, and lamb from time to
time. Other than the rare bear, I buy/order at the grocery store.
That means I don't have access to some of the wonderful chewy things
some of you get to feed. Hopefully that will change with hunting
season.

Duncan is a "no raw on my paws" eater, and uses his back molars
almost exclusively to chew/chomp. He is a slow and careful chewer
rather than a gulper. His incisors are pretty worn down and he
doesn't use his canines much at all to rip or tear. As a result,
his back molars look good while the molars to the front and the
canines look not so good.

Another peculiarity he has is that he can/will only eat about 1 1/2
pounds max at a time. He eats 3 pounds a day. He will walk away
from a large piece of meat like a pork picnic roast until he can
figure out how to get at it with his back molars.

There is nothing wrong with his teeth other than the tartar and the
worn incisors.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be much appreciated. I love raw
feeding. Duncan is incredibly healthy and happy on it. I just feel
like a bad mommy for not being able to figure out how to keep his
teeth nice. Thanks for the help.

Cris M

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7a. Re: My intro...
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:56 am ((PDT))

Valerie,

I used to be owned by a GP, as well. One thing I learned on this list
is that itchy skin is EXTERNAL, not caused (or relieved,)by something
internal. Food, in other words,will not likely help a skin allergy.
Feeding raw, of course, helps in many ways, so it is a worthwhile
endeavor.

Please see the archives for others who encountered equally awful
conditones, (or worse.) Many of them will attest to the difficulty
of 'hot spots,' etc., regardless of the food ingestion. Stress
management seems to nbe the best remedy on that account'

Best,
Lynne

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Valerie" <valdeere@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone! I just wanted to take a moment to introduce myself (I
> couldn't help but post a real message previously). My name is Val
and
> I own a nearly two year old Great Pyrenees male (Zuke) and a nearly
> one year old black lab-mix female (Louise).
>
> At about 7 months of age, my Pyrenees, Zuke came down with
> Panosteitis. >
> Valerie
>

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8a. Pork Liver
Posted by: "Penelope Quillen" copperquillpen@hotmail.com copperquillpen1958
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:59 am ((PDT))

I was at the store earlier today. Got some flounder today. I saw in the
meat dept., a package of raw pork liver. Is this the same as beef & chicken
livers, or should I just stick to chicken & beef? Penelope


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9. Big chunks of food - when do I take it away?
Posted by: "trayck" trayck@yahoo.com trayck
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:04 am ((PDT))

Hi group,

I have a 15kg (33lb) male Beagle and a 9kg (20lb)female Welsh Terrier.

I have been feeding raw for a while now but have not been feeding
large pieces.I have been feeding medium size chunks (roughly fist
size) of kangaroo and beef, chicken wings, whole lamb shanks, turkey
necks and heart/liver/kidney and pilchards. I have been feeding them
approx 250-300g (1/2 lb) a day each. I feed once a day in the morning.

The beagle is a foodaholic and scoffs down anything and everything as
quickly as he can with as little chewing as possible while the
welshie takes her time and chews stuff for a bit first.

I want to try and feed chunks that are larger than my dogs head so
that they have to rip and tear the meat off. But if I go out and buy
a huge chunk of something and give it to them, the beagle will scoff
down as much as he can and be almost ready to explode, while the
welshie will have had a bit to eat but be looking for somewhere to
hide the rest to eat later on in the day (as she sometimes does this
with her lamb shanks)

So if I take it away after 15 mins then present it the next day I am
going to end up with a bulemic beagle and an annorexic welshie (but
without the purging)by the end of the week.

My question is:

How do I regulate how much they eat per day so they don't end up too
fat or skinny as I want to try and maintain the 2 - 3 % of bodyweight
I am feeding per day?

Also any suggestions on what to give to the dogs to help decrease the
stinky air bombs that sometimes occur?

Sorry this ended up a long post

Thanks

Tracey S.
Brisbane, Australia

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10. obstruction?
Posted by: "tinamdeloia" tinamdeloia@yahoo.com tinamdeloia
Date: Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:08 am ((PDT))

Wait, what, obstruction. what do you mean a bowel obstruction? i
thought they digested what they ate. bones and all. you mean the bone
comes out somewhat whole and can get stuck? certain bones, all bones.
i'm very worried about this. any insight?

Tina

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