[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12382
There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. anyone in devon uk
From: bekki1996
2a. Re: Which bone to buy
From: Chia
2b. Re: Which bone to buy
From: costrowski75
3a. raw for 2.5 weeks
From: adkjoe17
3b. Re: raw for 2.5 weeks
From: Casey Post
3c. Re: raw for 2.5 weeks
From: Sandee Lee
4a. Re: Free Range Raw Feeding
From: costrowski75
4b. Re: Free Range Raw Feeding
From: costrowski75
4c. Re: Free Range Raw Feeding
From: spricketysprock
4d. Re: Free Range Raw Feeding
From: carnesbill
4e. Re: Free Range Raw Feeding
From: carnesbill
5a. Re: What about vitamin D?
From: costrowski75
6a. Re: Anyone from Alabama?
From: Michelle R
6b. Re: Anyone from Alabama?
From: Sherrel Leininger
6c. Re: Anyone from Alabama?
From: Giselle
6d. Re: Anyone from Alabama?
From: Sherrel Leininger
7a. New to this list
From: Sherrel Leininger
7b. Re: New to this list
From: Chia
7c. Re: New to this list
From: carnesbill
7d. Re: New to this list
From: jennifer_hell
7e. Re: New to this list
From: Chia
8a. Whole chickens
From: Sai Simonson
8b. Re: Whole chickens
From: Giselle
9a. Finding meat
From: Sherrel Leininger
9b. Re: Finding meat
From: Giselle
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1. anyone in devon uk
Posted by: "bekki1996" pasha15@hotmail.co.uk bekki1996
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:15 am ((PST))
hello, we are new to raw feeding (10 days now) and are trying to find a
good supplier in devon, uk. are there any other members in this area?
bekki
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2a. Re: Which bone to buy
Posted by: "Chia" chia.m@shaw.ca cia22m
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:32 am ((PST))
I am new to raw feeding and love the wealth of knowledge here. I just
started so my corgi and collie are on chicken, however the other day I
bought them both a beef bone at the butcher shop and they have been
going at it for several days. I just read a post about removing bare
bones and that big bones may not be ideal. Which brings me to my
question. Should I buy them chewing bones at all or is what they are
getting in their meals enough. They love chewing on those bones but I
don't want to give something that isn't good for them. Please give me
some suggestions for chewing bones that are okay for them.
***** you may find that as you progress into raw feeding, and the meals
get 'more' complicated with an extended duration, 'that' will be their
gnawing and chewing time. For example, a luscious lamb's neck is not only a
fabulous, meaty meal for my boy, but it is also the gnawing that other
meals, such as chicken, don't have.
With time you may find that your dogs may not be as prone to need to gnaw
but some dogs are definitely more prone to do so then others. I would NEVER
give those 'soup' bones or leg femurs by the butcher if your dogs are
aggressive chewers since they are SO dense and it is a slab fracture just
waiting to happen.
I have heard that beef ribs make a good gnaw, usually they chew away on
the ends for a bit and then you can discard them.
Sometimes, adding some extra working, playing or training time with
commands mixed in, exhausts them mentally so they won't even wish to gnaw as
much. I truly don't think it is a positive thing to encourage TOO much
chewing...and find alternative sources. It's just not worth the pain and
expense of tooth damage!
Chia & Ricco
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2b. Re: Which bone to buy
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:30 am ((PST))
"sahess0718" <sarlordia@...> wrote:
Should I buy them chewing bones at all
*****
No.
or is what they are > getting in their meals enough.
*****
If you are feeding meaty bones that require the level of interaction
that many ascribe only to "rec" bones, yes. If you are feeding small
and easy bones like wings and necks and backs then while the bones will
indeed serve for nutritional purposes they will not likely take the
edge off busy dogs.
Solution? At least some of the time feed big meaty bones like pork
shoulders or whole oxtail or a rack of beef or pork ribs or even a big
section of pork neck to provide both dining and entertainment pleasure.
Bare bones are like playing roulette with your dog's mouth. Some
people manage to win every time; some lose--and lose badly. Your
choice.
Chris O
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3a. raw for 2.5 weeks
Posted by: "adkjoe17" j2dope17@yahoo.com adkjoe17
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:43 am ((PST))
I have been feeding my husky raw for 2.5 weeks now. So far I have
just been giving her chicken. She loves it and was doing great. Her
stool was hardening up and she was getting used to the food. Now all
of a sudden she is having terrible cannon butt. It's like she can't
control it, it seems like it is leaking out all over the place and
very very runny. She is 13 weeks I have not changed anything in her
diet. I did however buy some cheap chicken breast but it was human
grade and I would have eaten it. What could be some of the problems
here? She was eating whole chickens, quarters, breasts etc... now she
is pooing all over the place. thanks!!
Joe
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3b. Re: raw for 2.5 weeks
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:36 am ((PST))
> I did however buy some cheap chicken breast but it was human
> grade and I would have eaten it.
Joe,
Those cheap chicken breasts - were they enhanced with a sodium solution at
all? Because if so, that's probably what's causing her squirts.
Casey
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3c. Re: raw for 2.5 weeks
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:39 am ((PST))
Also, in a 13-week-old puppy, uncontrollable diarrhea can indicate many
things...worms, parasites, Parvo...so be sure to keep an eye out for any
other signs that things are not well.
Those breasts are suspect, tho!
Sandee & the Dane Gang
From: "Casey Post" <mikken@neo.rr.com>
>
> Those cheap chicken breasts - were they enhanced with a sodium solution at
> all? Because if so, that's probably what's causing her squirts.
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4a. Re: Free Range Raw Feeding
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:07 am ((PST))
"Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:>
> Hey Chris,
>
> Here's the message you are referring to.......
>
> http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/67499
*****
Thanks, Sandee!
Unfortunately the link doesn't go there anymore, but it is reassuring
to know there's hope yet for my memory.
Chris O
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4b. Re: Free Range Raw Feeding
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:26 am ((PST))
ADMIN: Please take both politics and social commentary out of this
thread. Where it goes I don't care. It isn't appropriate here.
Chris O
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4c. Re: Free Range Raw Feeding
Posted by: "spricketysprock" jess.hamway@gmail.com spricketysprock
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:08 am ((PST))
"They are raising millions and millions of cattle and trillions of
chickens and guess what? They are every one
getting eatten. Without them many many people would starve to
death."
From everything I've read that's a huge misconception.
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4d. Re: Free Range Raw Feeding
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:37 am ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
>
> > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/67499
> *****
> Thanks, Sandee!
> Unfortunately the link doesn't go there anymore, but it
> is reassuring
> to know there's hope yet for my memory.
Chris,
Try the link again. It worked for me even off your post.
Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
Feeding Raw since October 2002
"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale
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4e. Re: Free Range Raw Feeding
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:37 am ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "spricketysprock"
<jess.hamway@...> wrote:
>
> "They are raising millions and millions of cattle and trillions of
> chickens and guess what? They are every one
> getting eatten. Without them many many people would starve to
> death."
>
> From everything I've read that's a huge misconception.
I don't see how it could be. Where are all the cows and chickens
raised by the giant farms going? They are getting eaten. What
would all the people eating these tons and tons and tons of meat eat
if not the factory farm stuff? Are you suggesting we should all
just eat grains?
I can promise you that small family farms can not now nor anytime in
the future supply enough food to feed this country and the rest of
the world. A hundred or so years ago a farm only had to feed about
20 or 25 people. Today one farm must feed thousands if not tens of
thousands of people.
Even if family farms could produce enough food to feed the
country/world, they cannot do it nearly as efficiently as the
factory farms. The price of food would be out of reach for many
people.
Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
Feeding Raw since October 2002
"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale
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5a. Re: What about vitamin D?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:19 am ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Nora Lenz" <nmlenz@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Bill about supplementing, in fact I would go so far as to
> say that it holds back many a dog from experiencing the highest levels
> of health. I have never supplemented my dog's diet and in fact do not
> even follow the advice that is often offered in place of
> supplementing -- to feed a 'wide variety' of foods. I've honed in on
> a few very good foods that my dog gets on a daily basis -- game hens
> or quail, green tripe, and blood (when I can get it). In addition to
> that, he gets a little steak or venison scrap now and then and organ
> meats a couple times a month. I feed him a little fruit if he seems
> interested when I'm eating it.
*****
This strikes me as an unnecessarily limited menu but if it pleases you
and works for your dog, that's what matters.
It is noteworthy though that you did not from the get-go limit the
menu, you settled on specific choices after--I'll wager--feeding a
broader variety. To "hone in on" a menu means starting from a broader
platform and discarding what isn't optimally useful.
This is all well and good and I suspect most rawfeeders--after they're
tested the buffet for a while--remove foods that don't meet
expectations. I would not recommend a beginning rawfeeder seek from
day one to limit the menu except as needed to minimize digestive
upset. A person can't know what food works and what doesn't until a
comparison is made. Variety provides the arena for comparison.
Whatever supplements one uses-or doesn't--should be entirely related to
the dog's needs; to arbitrarily limit support where support might be
advantageous is, IMO, cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
Chris O
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6a. Re: Anyone from Alabama?
Posted by: "Michelle R" crested_dog8@yahoo.com crested_dog8
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:08 am ((PST))
Not in Al, but am your neighbor, over in northeast MS. Im just a stones throw from AL. Howdy neighbors!
:-)
For you folks in AL there is supposed to be a butcher shop, or slaughterhouse or something there, I think the guy said in Trinity. A local small time store gets their meat from them...they suggested it as a possible place to find green tripe and other yummies. I wasnt talking to anyone who really knew much, supposed to go back and speak with manager, who can give me more details. Just thot Id see if you AL folks mgiht know about this place?
Michelle Radcliff
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6b. Re: Anyone from Alabama?
Posted by: "Sherrel Leininger" meawolf50@yahoo.com meawolf50
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:37 am ((PST))
place to find green tripe and other yummies. I wasnt talking to anyone who
Hello
I was wondering what is "Green Tripe"?
Sherrel
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6c. Re: Anyone from Alabama?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:16 pm ((PST))
Hi, Sherrel!
It is one of the stinkiest things you can feed your dogs,
but boyoboy, do they love it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripe
http://www.totallyrawdogfood.com/images/tripe.JPG
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey
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> Hello
>
> I was wondering what is "Green Tripe"?
>
> Sherrel
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6d. Re: Anyone from Alabama?
Posted by: "Sherrel Leininger" meawolf50@yahoo.com meawolf50
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:44 pm ((PST))
Hi Giselle
Thanks maybe I will wait until summer so they can enjoy it outside!! :-)
Sherrel
Hi, Sherrel!
It is one of the stinkiest things you can feed your dogs,
but boyoboy, do they love it!
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Tripe
http://www.totallyr awdogfood. com/images/ tripe.JPG
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey
>
> Hello
>
> I was wondering what is "Green Tripe"?
>
> Sherrel
>
>
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7a. New to this list
Posted by: "Sherrel Leininger" meawolf50@yahoo.com meawolf50
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:08 am ((PST))
Hello everyone
My name is Sherrel and I have 2 dober girls. Both are rescues and spayed. Daisy is 4 years old, weights 60 pounds and has many food allergies. I have had her since she was 18 months old. My new girl is Lilly and she is 15 months old and she weights about 65 pounds. Her condition was very poor when I got her about 6 weeks ago but she is in much better condition now and has picked up weight.
I have home cooked dog food for many years. I used to have a min pin with allergies so I cooked for him. When his mother was young I used a raw diet from a book by Juliette de Bairacli Levy. My shelties did very well on this diet but the min pins did not fare so well. The minis got kerititus (spelling very wrong sorry) on their eyes. It got better or went away when I took them off her diet and came back when I put them back on. So I am clueless as to what I was doing wrong. But I had a older sheltie that was getting quite gray on the muzzle. On this diet his gray went away and the natural color came back. But I put them all back on kibble because of the eyes of the min pins. His gray came back.
I have been cooking for Daisy for 2 years now and just added Lilly to her diet. I do top dress Lilly's food with Merecks Wilderness blend dog food just to cover any holes in my diet and because she came to me in very bad shape and only 14 months old. Lilly gets 4.5 cups a day of home cooked and 2 cups of Merecks. Daisy gets 5 cups of home cooked. All dogs I have fed on home cooked food have done very well. Their coats are very healthy and shiny. They have no fleas or other skin parisites. They have an abundance of energy.
My home cooked consists of 10 lbs of dark meat chicken quarters which is cooked for 2.5 hours in a pressure cooker. this way the bones are soft and can be mashed with a spoon and they can be fed without fear. Aproxamatly 10 lbs of a variety of veggies and 10 cups of cooked rice. This week I cooked 5 pounds of red skinned potatoes, 2 pounds carrots these are fresh veggies. I also put in 2 lbs each peas and lima beans. I put in 6 uncooked cups of white rice. Cook until veggies and rice are cooked. Sometimes I add fruit to the mix. Recently I have begun to add an egg to the morning feed. I have, 1 or 2 times a week recently made their meals with 1/2 a pound of hamburger with veggies and rice or oatmeal. I have a Pitcairn book but he uses a lot of oatmeal.
I have to say I have problems understanding how just meat is enough (balanced) for good nutrition. But I am very concerned about the level of carbs I have gotten to. So I need to learn more.
One question I do have about raw feeding is the mess. If I give each of my girls a chicken quarter won't there be a greasy mess whereever they eat. they have blanketsor pads in their crates so I don't want raw chicken ground in to the fabic. If they lay in the kitchen I would have to mop the floor twice a day. It is winter here so they can not go outside to eat.
Another question is amounts. What is a good starting amount to feed? Does different types of meat mean different amount of food. I usually feed chicken because I can get it cheap. What about venison? Beef? Ground verses on the bone?
This is getting a little long so I will stop here. Feel free to ask questions..
Sherrel, Daisy and Lilly
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7b. Re: New to this list
Posted by: "Chia" chia.m@shaw.ca cia22m
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:12 am ((PST))
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Behalf Of Sherrel Leininger
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To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rawfeeding] New to this list
I have to say I have problems understanding how just meat is enough
(balanced) for good nutrition. But I am very concerned about the level of
carbs I have gotten to. So I need to learn more.
#### simple, dogs are wolves. If they were meant to consume ridiculous
and harmful carbs, they would have been given the correct equipment to do
so, but they do not.
When you arm yourself with knowledge about HOW a dog digests, processes,
then eliminates food, you would have NO questions and complete confidence.
If your dogs had to fend for themselves, like wild dogs in Australia or
Africa, they would be hunting small or large prey, depending on their skill,
period. There would be no cooking vegetables or rendering the fabulous raw
flesh useless by cooking.
read up and inform yourself, peruse our archives...and just grasp the
concept that your dogs are not 'little humans', they are carnivores,
designed to consume raw flesh, organs, bones...NOT cooked...and for heaven's
sakes, NOT cooked bones!!!!
YIKES!!!!!!
http://rawfed.com/vax/vax.html
http://www.rawfeddogs.net (check out me & Ricco under the link 'other raw
feeders dogs')
http://rawfed.com (ALL the info you will ever need to reply to those who
will ridicule you)
Gotta peruse the myths pages there! Particularly:
http://rawfed.com/myths/switch.html
http://rawfed.com/myths/feedraw.html
http://rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html
One question I do have about raw feeding is the mess. If I give each of my
girls a chicken quarter won't there be a greasy mess whereever they eat.
they have blanketsor pads in their crates so I don't want raw chicken ground
in to the fabic. If they lay in the kitchen I would have to mop the floor
twice a day. It is winter here so they can not go outside to eat.
#### yes, there may be a mess, I just have my tiled floor in the kitchen
which gets spritzed with vinegar after...get some plastic picnic cloths for
the crates if you intend to have them eat in there. Much better to allot a
spot in the kitchen or garage, whichever, for them to eat.
Another question is amounts. What is a good starting amount to feed? Does
different types of meat mean different amount of food. I usually feed
chicken because I can get it cheap. What about venison? Beef? Ground verses
on the bone?
### 2-3 % of adult body weight that is desirable. Probably, for your two,
just purchase whole chickens and give them each half each day for the first
week or two.
Each dog is different, however, and some do well with a little less, some
do well with more. You will eventually learn what works best for your two
by just the visually and physically looking and feeling them. Experience
and time promotes HUGE wisdom, promise!
Read all the info...start with just one protein, introduce ALL items that
you will eventually be able to feed on a graduated, slow basis to their
tolerance and adaptability.
No rush!
Chia & Ricco
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7c. Re: New to this list
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:37 am ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Sherrel Leininger <meawolf50@...>
wrote:
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> I have to say I have problems understanding how just meat
> is enough (balanced) for good nutrition. But I am very
> concerned about the level of carbs I have gotten to. So I need
> to learn more.
It's very simple. Dogs aren't humans. They are a different
species. Their bodies don't work like ours. They have no need nor
use for carbs at all. Their bodies use fat the same way our bodies
use carbs. There are no nutrients in plant material that aren't in
the meat, bones, or organs of the herbivores that eat them. Dogs
eat the herbivores, not the plants. They get the plant nutrients
from the bodies of their prey animals.
> One question I do have about raw feeding is the mess. If I
> give each of my girls a chicken quarter won't there be a greasy
> mess whereever they eat.
My dogs clean up their own mess. When they finish eating the
thoroughly lick the floor where they were just eating then they
change places and each dog licks the other's eating place too.
After a meal, the cleanest floor space in the house is where the
dogs were just eating. :) :) :)
Many people feed on a plastic table cloth or shower curtain or
towel. This also works.
> If they lay in the kitchen I would have to mop the floor twice
> a day. It is winter here so they can not go outside to eat.
I don't know why you would have to mop any more than you do now.
> Another question is amounts. What is a good starting amount
> to feed?
The suggest STARTING amount is 2% to 3% of the dogs ideal adult
weight per day.
> Does different types of meat mean different amount of food.
Not really.
> I usually feed chicken because I can get it cheap.
You should feed other meats also. Pork can be cheap on sale.
> What about venison?
Probably the best meat you could feed. If I could only feed one
type of meat and it was always available, it would be venison.
> Beef?
Beef is great. I don't feed beef bones thought. Too dense.
> Ground verses on the bone?
Never ground unless you find some so cheap you just can't turn it
down. Actually a couple of ground meals a week isn't bad. A few
boneless meals a week is good.
Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
Feeding Raw since October 2002
"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale
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7d. Re: New to this list
Posted by: "jennifer_hell" jenniferhell@web.de jennifer_hell
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:22 pm ((PST))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
>
There are no nutrients in plant material that aren't in
> the meat, bones, or organs of the herbivores that eat them. Dogs
> eat the herbivores, not the plants. They get the plant nutrients
> from the bodies of their prey animals.
>
In theory that sounds right, but what if those herbivores don't get
fed plant material, but grains?
Jennifer
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7e. Re: New to this list
Posted by: "Chia" chia.m@shaw.ca cia22m
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:27 pm ((PST))
:
>
There are no nutrients in plant material that aren't in
> the meat, bones, or organs of the herbivores that eat them. Dogs
> eat the herbivores, not the plants. They get the plant nutrients
> from the bodies of their prey animals.
>
In theory that sounds right, but what if those herbivores don't get
fed plant material, but grains?
#### and due to this, if WE eat meat, commercially, horribly raised, WE
NEED to supplement with Omega 3....same for our canine companions... try and
feed organic, or grass fed and if not...dogs get fed salmon capsules or
wild salmon if they like it.
Omega 3 deficiency is probably the reason for MOST of the health problems
man has created for himself. Way to go Einstein!
Chia & Ricco
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8a. Whole chickens
Posted by: "Sai Simonson" saiczarina@comcast.net keikokat
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:37 am ((PST))
In the next experiment with gorge and fast feeding, got some chickens
(not grass fed, natch at $.98/lb) and offered them to the Borzois. Lexi
knew exactly what to do, strip off some skin and get to the meat and
bone, and wowee, what have we here? tiny necks and gizzards. Tasha
simply stared. Lexi came over and tried to take the second chicken out
of my hand. "I can help!" he seemed to say. Had to wrest if out of his
jaws and re-offer to Tash who finally dragged it out to the yard and
continued to stare. She watched Lexi and still did not get it. After a
bit, Lexi had "broken in" his chicken so they traded and now Tash gave
an occasional bite to it. Big boy had enough and went in to rest. Tasha
is working away on hers and YES, she has taken his as well. At least
she will be occupied for the day. I am assuming not to offer any other
food till the chickens are demolished?
Sai
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8b. Re: Whole chickens
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:13 pm ((PST))
Hi, Sai!
How much do they usually eat in a day?
If they eat a chicken a day, then tomorrow is soon enough.
If they eat less, a small or 'snack' size meal tomorrow might be just the
ticket.
If they eat more than a chickens worth of raw in a day, then I say "Let them
eat Bigger Food!" heh heh
A pork shoulder or fresh ham roast, with judicious slices or collops off the
main part saved for later might be the next 'step up'.
Bea, my Newfy, still occasionally will look at me when I give her a whole
fresh ham, as if to say, "Where to start off?". And I will obligingly cut
into the skin with a pair of kitchen shears. Not that she really needs the
help you understand, more than likely, she just wants me to go away so she
can enjoy herself. ^_^
I leave the legs and wings hanging out akimbo on a turkey, and they are the
road to the good stuff!
YES! Keeping them occupied is what really engaging prey model feeding does!
TC
Giselle
On Dec 16, 2007 1:42 PM, Sai Simonson <saiczarina@comcast.net> wrote:
> In the next experiment with gorge and fast feeding, got some chickens
> (not grass fed, natch at $.98/lb) and offered them to the Borzois.
>
> <snip>
>
> At least
> she will be occupied for the day. I am assuming not to offer any other
> food till the chickens are demolished?
>
> Sai
>
>
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9a. Finding meat
Posted by: "Sherrel Leininger" meawolf50@yahoo.com meawolf50
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:37 am ((PST))
OK I am wondering about the meat served to the dogs. If I buy meat from the grocery store (usually Wal Mart for me) then I am not sure what all has been done to this meat to and including fed many different types of meds and growth hormones to iradiating it before packing it for stores. Would this also be true of butchers? Meat processing places?
Where do you get your meat.
When just starting to feed raw is there a certain secquence to start. Like when babies are starting to eat solid foods we start with rice cereal. Then go to oatmeal and barley. Then you can add veggies and fruit.
Like my girls are used to eating cooked chicken so maybe I should start with raw chicken? They have had some raw beef hamburger so I could then go to beef ribs. Or am I making to much of this? :-)
Sherrel, Daisy and Lilly
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9b. Re: Finding meat
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:35 pm ((PST))
Hi, Sherrel!
If you would/do eat meat from these stores, then they are
good enough for your dogs. If you buy free range for the family, but can't
afford that for the dogs, thats OK, too. Its miles beyond better than Doom
Nuggets (tm Carrie) or home cooked. We mostly all have an ideal, which is
feeding wild caught or free range whole prey, but none of us live in
Perfect, we do the best we can. ; )
I buy from a rural supermarket, from local grocery stores, from a sorta
local dealer and online to obtain variety in protein and organs for my girl.
You have good instincts! The recommendation is usually to start with whole
cut up chickens, because its cheap and readily available, easily tweaked,
and bland. You can start with any protein, but beef is more difficult,
because its hard to get edible beef bone.
I'm sure you were using adding grains to veggies and fruit just in the case
of human infants! Dog's are wolves, wolves are carnivores, they don't need
'em, at all! (imo, you start human babes off on fruits, then veggies, then
meats, and add grains last, but thats me.)
Check out these websites and archived messages for 'how tos' on beginning;
http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html
http://www.rawlearning.com/supplementmyths.html
http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html
*http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374 *
*post # 141374*
Printing out relevant info can make it easier to check stuff out later.
I'd recommend that you search out topics of interest in the archives using
relevant keywords and read as much of the daily messages as you can manage.
If you have any other questions, ask away!
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey
On Dec 16, 2007 2:07 PM, Sherrel Leininger <meawolf50@yahoo.com> wrote:
> OK I am wondering about the meat served to the dogs.
>
> <snip>
> Where do you get your meat.
>
> When just starting to feed raw is there a certain sequence to start.
>
> <snip>
>
> Like my girls are used to eating cooked chicken so maybe I should start
> with raw chicken?
>
> <snip>
> Sherrel, Daisy and Lilly
>
>
>
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