[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11993

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: What is your opinion on this?
From: ginny wilken
1b. Re: What is your opinion on this?
From: coriowen
1c. Re: What is your opinion on this?
From: costrowski75
1d. Re: What is your opinion on this?
From: Giselle
1e. Re: What is your opinion on this?
From: costrowski75

2a. Re: wow
From: JOHN PFAFF
2b. Re: wow
From: tlduran1
2c. Re: wow
From: brutus_buckley
2d. Re: wow
From: brutus_buckley
2e. Re: wow
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: Help! Sick pup
From: Carol Wimmer
3b. Re: Help! Sick pup
From: Carol Wimmer

4a. Fat ratios, & the fat around beef kidneys
From: sarahfalkner
4b. Re: Fat ratios, & the fat around beef kidneys
From: Giselle

5a. Are Emu bones too hard to feed.??
From: doris_russel
5b. Re: Are Emu bones too hard to feed.??
From: costrowski75

6a. Re: Coyotes
From: darkstardog
6b. Re: Coyotes
From: Morledzep@aol.com

7.1. Re: New To Raw
From: Morledzep@aol.com
7.2. Re: New To Raw
From: hszymkowski
7.3. Re: New To Raw
From: costrowski75

8a. Re: Who on this list has been feeding RAW for many years?
From: coriowen

9a. Re: Please help very nervous
From: bluegracepwd

10a. Leg Quarters
From: bukasam
10b. Re: Leg Quarters
From: Giselle

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1a. Re: What is your opinion on this?
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 3:27 pm ((PDT))

On Sep 3, 2007, at 12:32 PM, coriowen wrote:

> Hey everyone, thanks for the replies and I knew it was bunk
> especially coming from this woman. ...
>
> The info. I got on the "satin ball", now that is NASTY, but I can see
> this woman doing something like that for her dogs, she is a bit on
> the, how shall I say this?..."trashy side". YUK!
> Cori

This is so funny! I once got tangled up with a trashy breeder of
Amstaffs who used to ride dressage and keep Arabians. She lost all
her money and kept the dogs in deplorable circumstances, and wouldn't
let anyone place them because they were "too valuable". And yes,
she'd feed satin balls, and Mickey D's to her stud dog.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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1b. Re: What is your opinion on this?
Posted by: "coriowen" COwen98@aol.com coriowen
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT))

Hehehe, she doesn't raise Am Staffs but Boxers, and they don't look
like the breed standard by any stretch of the imagination! OMG! She
is on our boards A LOT trying to find homes, for free, mind you,
for "someone else's" dogs! Her pics of her kennels look deplorable,
too. I feel so sorry for her dogs...=(
Cori

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, ginny wilken <gwilken@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 3, 2007, at 12:32 PM, coriowen wrote:
>
> > Hey everyone, thanks for the replies and I knew it was bunk
> > especially coming from this woman. ...
> >
> > The info. I got on the "satin ball", now that is NASTY, but I can
see
> > this woman doing something like that for her dogs, she is a bit on
> > the, how shall I say this?..."trashy side". YUK!
> > Cori
>
>
> This is so funny! I once got tangled up with a trashy breeder of
> Amstaffs who used to ride dressage and keep Arabians. She lost all
> her money and kept the dogs in deplorable circumstances, and
wouldn't
> let anyone place them because they were "too valuable". And yes,
> she'd feed satin balls, and Mickey D's to her stud dog.
>
>
> ginny and Tomo
>
>
> All stunts performed without a net!
>
>
>
>
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1c. Re: What is your opinion on this?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 5:36 pm ((PDT))

"coriowen" <COwen98@...> wrote:
> The info. I got on the "satin ball", now that is NASTY, but I can see
> this woman doing something like that for her dogs, she is a bit on
> the, how shall I say this?..."trashy side".
*****
Now now.
I know many fine upstanding members of both the dog fancy and the
community at large who believe Satin Balls are exotic and magical
food. Think about it: if you are a breeder feeding BilJac or ProPlan
or any of the other brands that underwrite breeders and you stumble
upon a recipe for "real food" that puts needed show weight on your
dogs, wouldn't you be pleezed as punch? I mean, pretend you don't know
squat about species appropriate diets.

Satin Balls are trash food not because the breeder is suspect, but
because the ingredients are unhealthy. Like Twinkies are trash. Like
deep-fried Twinkies are trash.
Chris O

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1d. Re: What is your opinion on this?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 6:21 pm ((PDT))

Like battered and deep fried Mars bars on a stick are trash?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-fried_Mars_bar
; )

> *****
<snip>
> Satin Balls are trash food not because the breeder is suspect, but
> because the ingredients are unhealthy. Like Twinkies are trash. Like
> deep-fried Twinkies are trash.
> Chris O
>

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1e. Re: What is your opinion on this?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 6:25 pm ((PDT))

"Giselle" <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
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> Like battered and deep fried Mars bars on a stick are trash?
*****
Oooh, yum. Yeah!
Chris O

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2a. Re: wow
Posted by: "JOHN PFAFF" johnpfaff@comcast.net rawfeednewbie
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 3:35 pm ((PDT))

I'm sorry, but she repeatedly states her dogs are not vaccinated and this is ok. However when I ask for more information I am told this is not an appropriate topic - a double standard, don't you think?
JOHN PFAFF
----- Original Message -----
From: Kaitlin Fraser
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: [rawfeeding] wow

so that later when she is "saving my dog's
>life from e-coli or salmonella poisoning,

I got a laugh out of this.... dog who arn't fed raw have salmonella.....
Come on how stupid can a vet be? Any healthy dog would never be affected by
it....

Kaitlin Fraser
Prince SJA therapy dog, CGN
Jester SJA therapy dog CGN
Wenlisa's Command Performance HIC, CKC PTd "Malo" A work of art in
progress.( Raw Fed, )
Sheep's Kin Unusually Unusaul Kiska- Another work of art in even more
progress.( Raw fed)

No dogs are vaccinated in my home.

" No one can walk into a room and bring as much joy, happyness and love as a
single dog can"

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2b. Re: wow
Posted by: "tlduran1" tlduran1@yahoo.com tlduran1
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 3:35 pm ((PDT))

You know, my dogs eat my cat's poop constantly, no matter how hard I
try to keep them out of it! I keep them out of it, 'cuz I think it's
gross, it doesn't affect them one bit! My dogs love it if they can get
to my babies poopy diapers! Doesn't affect them one bit! NOT one bit! I
should think if anything was going to make them sick, cat poop, dog
poop or human baby poop, now that should make you sick!!!!
They have no argument in the raw meat dept.! I feed my dogs meat that
hs sat out a couple of days and smells so gross! Doesn't bother them
one bit!, NOT one bit!
If they only knew how stupid they sounded! Like a broken recording of
the dog food companies! It's obvious they haven't done any of their own
research!!!
Tara
> life from e-coli or salmonella poisoning, she can charge me extra!"
> Then she patted me on the shoulder like I was a 3 year old. I was so
> appalled, that I just left. Needless to say, we won't be going back
> there. FWIW, my pup caught a cold at the dog show; diet was
irrelevant
> to the diagnosis. I just wanted them to listen to her lungs to make
> sure it wasn't pneumonia. Can't wait for the "information" in the
mail.
> I'm sure it will be good for a laugh.
> -Renee W.
>

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2c. Re: wow
Posted by: "brutus_buckley" brutus_buckley@yahoo.com brutus_buckley
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 5:14 pm ((PDT))

John,
If you have a gripe that is completely unrelated to the discussion,
please start a new thread. It took me a minute when reading your
response to my post to figure out what the heck you were even talking
about.

-Renee W.

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2d. Re: wow
Posted by: "brutus_buckley" brutus_buckley@yahoo.com brutus_buckley
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 5:16 pm ((PDT))

I know Tara!! I was wondering if she gave the same speech to those with
poop-eaters. My bet is no. I am anxious to see what is recommended
instead...odds are it is something sold in their lobby.

-Renee W.

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2e. Re: wow
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 6:04 pm ((PDT))

"JOHN PFAFF" <johnpfaff@...> wrote:
>
> I'm sorry, but she repeatedly states her dogs are not vaccinated and
this is ok. However when I ask for more information I am told this is
not an appropriate topic - a double standard, don't you think?
*****
No John, it is not.
Her statement is part of her autosig line. She is stating a fact. She
is not initiating conversation about that fact. You asked for more
information and I explained that the rawfeeding list is not the place
for vaccine discussions; I recommendeded you subscribe to RawChat,
where there is room for such non-food conversations.

A double standard is when I edit untrimmed posts but Gerry deletes them.
Hope this helps.
Chris O

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3a. Re: Help! Sick pup
Posted by: "Carol Wimmer" my3jcs@yahoo.com my3jcs
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 3:35 pm ((PDT))

Hi Monica!

Thanks for the tip! Does Loki have any other
restrictions in diet? If anyone else has a dog with
pancreatitis, I would like to know what works best for
you in feeding.

Carol
Rocky,Rex,Mack

my Loki has pancreatitis
> He still eats chicken and turkey - I just remove the
> thick, hanging skin
> which is were most of the fat is.
> FWIW, my Loki can still eat ribs and some pork -
> just not tons of it or on
> back to back days.
> Good luck with Rex and the pack!
>
> Monica in IL
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3b. Re: Help! Sick pup
Posted by: "Carol Wimmer" my3jcs@yahoo.com my3jcs
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 3:36 pm ((PDT))

Thanks Carol!

I've been raw feeding for just over 2 weeks, so very
new. I don't know that I could give pork another try
after the scare I had with Rex. It may just be he
doesn't do well with that particular meat. He is a
good eater, so other meats should work out fine for
him. All 3 dogs are doing better. We're vomit-free
today. Whoo Hoo!!

Carol
Rocky,Rex,Mack

> Depending on how long you've been raw feeding, some
> dogs need a lot
> more time to adjust to different proteins........

> Hopefully your 'pups' are doing better today.....

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4a. Fat ratios, & the fat around beef kidneys
Posted by: "sarahfalkner" Sarah.Falkner@gmail.com sarahfalkner
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 3:46 pm ((PDT))

Does anyone have anything to say about a recommended fat ratio for cats, especially when it
comes to cuts of meat from larger animals? With chicken and small prey I just give pieces of
the whole carcass with the skin and fat on, so the ratios there are obviously consistent with
whole prey. But the boys really LOVE pork and beef, both of which being very large animals
must be eaten by a cat one small cut at a time, and there's so many different cuts to choose
from, some of them quite lean and some of them well-marbled. Is this also time just to think
"vary, and it will balance over time"? One of their favorite meals is pork loin chops, which
have a strip of solid fat that accounts for about 1/5 of the serving, which seems a bit rich to
be having every day (they don't).

I also got beef kidneys today from a butcher and they had an awful lot of fat and white
connective tissue around them. This seems really rich and dense, like treat material, to be
served just a sprinkling at a time, or perhaps added to a really lean beef cut--does anybody
have anything to say about this beef kidney fat?

Thanks,

Sarah & Henry & Ivan

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4b. Re: Fat ratios, & the fat around beef kidneys
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 5:32 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Sarah!
Fat is one of the three "food groups" for dogs 'n cats. So,
fat is important, just as meat and edible bone is.

This is the time for a raw feeding motto, I think. ; )

"Know Thy Dog." Or, in this case, thy cat.

I'd vary the portions, as you mentioned, and let the other motto,
"Balance Over Time." rule here. I'd watch closely and not feed beyond
bowel tolerance in any case.

If they get fluffy, I'd cut back on meat, bone and fat equally.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Does anyone have anything to say about a recommended fat ratio for
cats, especially when it
> comes to cuts of meat from larger animals?
<snip>
But the boys really LOVE pork and beef, both of which being very large
animals
> must be eaten by a cat one small cut at a time, and there's so many
different cuts to choose
> from, some of them quite lean and some of them well-marbled. Is this
also time just to think
> "vary, and it will balance over time"?
<snip>
does anybody
> have anything to say about this beef kidney fat?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sarah & Henry & Ivan
>

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5a. Are Emu bones too hard to feed.??
Posted by: "doris_russel" DRus724971@aol.com doris_russel
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 3:47 pm ((PDT))

Hello everyone,

I have been feeding my rottie raw for over 9 months now ever since he
was 12 weeks old. He is a year old and weighs in at approx 90#. I feed
him just about everything I can get. Recently I acquired some emu rib
cages and emu leg bones, my question is are these okay to feed as
recreational bones or are the leg bones too hard. I don't want his
teeth to break. The rib cage bones have some meat on them and they
seem light enough, except for the back part, which was pretty tough to
break. I used a cleaver to cut them up. The leg bones seemed pretty
solid and are filled with marrow. I'm not sure if these are considered
weight bearing. Any help here is appreciated. Thanks
Doris

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5b. Re: Are Emu bones too hard to feed.??
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 6:12 pm ((PDT))

"doris_russel" <DRus724971@...> wrote:
Recently I acquired some emu rib
> cages and emu leg bones, my question is are these okay to feed as
> recreational bones or are the leg bones too hard. I don't want his
> teeth to break.
*****
IMO these bones without plenty of meat on them are not a particularly
savvy investment of doggiedollars and may well be dense/old enough to
endanger teeth. If on the other hand they are splendidly meaty--
paragons of meaty body parts, veritable treasure troves of meat--then
the bones are fine for your Rottie to eat if only to strip off all that
lovely meat.

Be my guess the bones you got are essentially bare: I personally would
not feed them.
Chris O

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6a. Re: Coyotes
Posted by: "darkstardog" darkstardog@charter.net darkstardog
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 4:04 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
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> Hi, Wanda!
> The reason we look to wolves to learn what to feed our dogs,
> is that dogs ARE wolves, right down in their DNA.
> Dogs are not coyotes, just as they are not humans, so feeding a dog
> what a coyote eats would not serve our purpose, which is to feed an
> optimal species appropriate diet to our dogs.

I've heard this argument before, and I personally have never been
convinced by it. Coyotes are the closest relatives to dogs and wolves,
and they are similar enough to produce hybrids. (In fact, if I
understand correctly, the red wolf may be a coyote-wolf hybrid and not
a separate species at all.) It seems very possible to me that there is
not a significant difference in the ability of wolves and coyotes to
digest and absorb and use various foods. It seems reasonable to me
that the difference in diet has to do with the efficiency of a pack of
the larger wolves going after large game animals, a behavioral
difference rather than a digestive difference. So far I haven't seen a
description of any difference in coyote and wolf digestion. To me, it
is reasonable to consider that what a coyote eats is within the
spectrum of what a dog could eat. (Although coyotes eat a more varied
diet than wolves, they are also considered top be carnivores, not
omnivores, but at least one mammalogist.)

Marty

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6b. Re: Coyotes
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 4:59 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/3/2007 3:04:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
darkstardog@charter.net writes:

To me, it
is reasonable to consider that what a coyote eats is within the
spectrum of what a dog could eat. (Although coyotes eat a more varied
diet than wolves, they are also considered top be carnivores, not
omnivores, but at least one mammalogist.)

Marty,

I don't know the DNA differences.. and personally i don't care. The big
difference between coyotes and wolves is that they have different pack structure,
different hunting strategies.

Coyotes don't hunt as a cohesive pack, they hunt individually or in pairs and
are more opportunistic. This also means they end up eating far more things
that are NOT species appropriate because it's available, rather than what is
correct for them to eat.

All domesticated dogs are selectively inbred grey wolves.. there are some
coydog crosses, but they are few and far between, and they are the closest thing
there is to an unpredictable canine. The "red wolf" is NOT a coyote/wolf
cross.. it is a different type of wolf than the grey wolf.

here is an article.. or three to help clear up the mystery..

_http://www.npca.org/wildlife_protection/wildlife_facts/redwolf.html_

(http://www.npca.org/wildlife_protection/wildlife_facts/redwolf.html)

_http://www.nsrl.ttu.edu/tmot1/canirufu.htm_

(http://www.nsrl.ttu.edu/tmot1/canirufu.htm)

_http://www.wildwnc.org/af/redwolf.html_

(http://www.wildwnc.org/af/redwolf.html)

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7.1. Re: New To Raw
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 4:41 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/3/2007 1:50:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
proudfootkennels@sympatico.ca writes:

I would like to know if there are any very good books out there for
people who are just starting out and have a million questions!

Marcella,

there are a couple books by tom lonsdale, DVM that are helpful.. but if you
really want your questions answered the list archives here is the best place to
start.

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7.2. Re: New To Raw
Posted by: "hszymkowski" hszymkowski@yahoo.com hszymkowski
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 5:05 pm ((PDT))

> I would like to know if there are any very good books out there for
> people who are just starting out and have a million questions!
>

Hi Marcella,
While I'm brand new to this discussion group too I started feeding my
dog raw about 6 months ago, based entirely on what I read in "Dr.
Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats" by
Richard H. Pitcairn.
I'm sure there are many other worthwhile books on the subject, but
this one was so convincing, and so easy to follow, that it was all I
needed to get started.

Good luck!
Heidi

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7.3. Re: New To Raw
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 6:21 pm ((PDT))

"hszymkowski" <hszymkowski@...> wrote:
I started feeding my
> dog raw about 6 months ago, based entirely on what I read in "Dr.
> Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats" by
> Richard H. Pitcairn.
> I'm sure there are many other worthwhile books on the subject, but
> this one was so convincing, and so easy to follow, that it was all I
> needed to get started.
*****
Alas, if you are following Richard Pitcairn, you are not feeding a raw,
species appropriate diet. If you are feeding cooked grains, you are
not feeding raw. And you are not feeding species appropriate food. If
you are feeding measurable vegetables, you are not feeding species
appropriate food and if you cook the veggies they are of course not
raw. Needless to say, cooked meat is not raw meat.

Pitcairn is not a useful source for prey model feeding. And even if
one thinks prey model is bunkum, there is still lots wrong with
Pitcairn's view of doggie nutrition.

While I am not sure there is any one book that promotes a good raw
diet, it's possible that Tom Lonsdale's "Work Wonders" is as good as
you're gonna find.

Chris O

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8a. Re: Who on this list has been feeding RAW for many years?
Posted by: "coriowen" COwen98@aol.com coriowen
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 5:07 pm ((PDT))

Olga,
Thank you for replying. I just wanted to hear fromt the veterans here
and see how their dogs are doing. Since I am new at all this, I am
really looking forward to seeing how my girls will do over the years.
I wish I would have done this years earlier...I had a couple of dogs
that I bet would have benefitted from raw feeding, greatly.
Cori

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Olga" <olga.drozd@...> wrote:
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> I didn't respond since we've only been feeding raw for 2.5 years. My
> 4.5 year old dog is as full of energy as when we got her - people
> routinely ask me if she's still a puppy. And my 8.5 year old has put
> on nice muscle since we switched, although his white face gives his
> age away. ;)
>
> We visit the vet only once a year for a weigh-in, check up and
> heartworm test. I hope their good health will continue for many years
> to come!
>
> Olga
>

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9a. Re: Please help very nervous
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 5:17 pm ((PDT))

Hi Chris,

I've been feeding raw for over a dozen years, with a multitude of
pets and top show dogs, so perhaps I can give you my two cents worth.

It takes about 5 seconds via google to find a vet who is going to
say bad things about the raw diet. They are all badly educated, and
a great percentage of them:

1. have only received their education from pet food companies
2. have never researched anything about proper raw diet outside the
commercial food paradigm
3. are lazy
4. are corrupt
5. are getting kickbacks and freebies
6. or a mixture of some/all of the above.

Add to this the seemingly required characteristic of arrogance, and
unfortunately most vets will be stuck to recommending commercial
food forever.

My 10 year old son knows more about dog nutrition that most vets.

I have never had a dog with pancreas problems, nor come in contact
with one with pancreas problems. Can it happen? Sure. There's
plenty of dogs out there that have had their health chronically
damaged by commercial food diets, so I'm sure there's all sort of
problems they encounter. That being said, to repeat - I've never
come across them myself.

I'd be really interested to know which nutritional deficiencies an
appropriate raw diet does lack. So far, no vet has been able to
provide this.

Also, I'd like to know more about the bacterial contamination that's
supposed to be happening.

Oh that's right, let's make sweeping statements and scare people so
much that the vets actually don't have to back up any of their
claims.

I'm sure it's possible that dogs have died from punture wounds to
the stomach from raw food. Dogs can get hit by lightning, and
travel by space craft. It's up to you to understand what is the
relative risk. Again, I've never had that problem with any of my
animals. Could it happen? Sure? But I also might accompany that
dog into space, as I could do with a good holiday with good views.

hope that helps,

Jane
www.bluegrace.com

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10a. Leg Quarters
Posted by: "bukasam" Buka888@aol.com bukasam
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 5:29 pm ((PDT))

I am new to the Raw diet. Today we bought a package of leg quarters
and gave one that was a little over a pound to our 12 year old 75 lb
Doberman. She ate it up with no hesitation and nicely chewed it up and
ate it bones and all. Could you guys please tell me approximately how
much in lbs we should be giving her in a day?

Sam

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10b. Re: Leg Quarters
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Sep 3, 2007 6:11 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Sam!
The general rule of thumb recommendation is to feed 2-3% of
the dog's ESTIMATED IDEAL adult weight. Dogs vary, she may need more
or less than that to maintain. If she is a healthy, active 12 yo, she
might even need more than 3%. If she is a couch potato or not active
due to health problems and needs to lose a few lbs, she might need
less than 2%.

Feed her for a week or two, and see if she gains or loses weight.
Then, you will know what to do. : )

After awhile, you won't need to measure or weigh either her or her
food, you'll just be able to look at her, run your hands over her
ribs, back and hips and know when to feed more, or cut back.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I am new to the Raw diet. Today we bought a package of leg quarters
> and gave one that was a little over a pound to our 12 year old 75 lb
> Doberman. She ate it up with no hesitation and nicely chewed it up and
> ate it bones and all. Could you guys please tell me approximately how
> much in lbs we should be giving her in a day?
>
> Sam
>

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