[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11990

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Help! Sick pup
From: Carol Wimmer
1b. Re: Help! Sick pup
From: Sandee Lee
1c. Re: Help! Sick pup
From: tuggley
1d. Re: Help! Sick pup
From: tottime47
1e. Re: Help! Sick pup
From: Carol Wimmer

2.1. Re: liver
From: Morledzep@aol.com
2.2. Re: liver
From: Yasuko herron
2.3. Re: liver
From: costrowski75
2.4. Re: liver
From: costrowski75
2.5. Re: liver
From: Kaitlin Fraser
2.6. Re: liver
From: costrowski75

3a. poop situation
From: Linda Edgington
3b. Re: poop situation
From: tottime47
3c. Re: poop situation
From: costrowski75
3d. Re: poop situation
From: Giselle

4a. 1st time feeding raw
From: hd_peterson
4b. Re: 1st time feeding raw
From: Sandee Lee
4c. Re: 1st time feeding raw
From: esmolensky
4d. Re: 1st time feeding raw _more info needed
From: tottime47
4e. Re: 1st time feeding raw _more info needed
From: hd_peterson
4f. Re: 1st time feeding raw _more info needed
From: tottime47
4g. Re: 1st time feeding raw _more info needed
From: hd_peterson
4h. Re: 1st time feeding raw
From: Morledzep@aol.com

5a. Re: feeding organs
From: Michael Moore
5b. Re: feeding organs
From: tottime47

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1a. Re: Help! Sick pup
Posted by: "Carol Wimmer" my3jcs@yahoo.com my3jcs
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 2:14 pm ((PDT))

I call all my guys "pups", but he is actually 7 years
old. I spent the night laying with him on the kitchen
floor and when his temp rose to 104.5 and he couldn't
hold down the smallest amount of water, I got him to
emergency. He is dehydrated and has pancreatitis.
They believe the pancreatitis was brought on by the
pork. The vet said she has seen many cases of this
due to pork. My other 2 dogs have also begun
vomiting, so pork has officially been taken off the
menu. 3 vomiting dogs + hubby who wants to go back
to kibble = very frustrated ME!!!

Carol
Rocky,Rex,Mack
--- mikkeny <mikken@neo.rr.com> wrote:

> > I'm worried
> > about dehydration at this point and am thinking I
> need to get to the emergency vet.
>
> Carol,
>
> I would not automatically assume that this is
> food-related.
> Puppy+repeated vomiting= vet trip, imo.
>
> You're right - dehydration is always a concern with
> the little guys.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Casey
>
>
>
>

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1b. Re: Help! Sick pup
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 2:33 pm ((PDT))

Carol,

You can rest assured that you did not cause this by feeding pork! Fat can
aggravate a diseased pancreas, it is not the cause

Your vet needs to start looking for causes of this disease so it can be
treated rather than blaming it on diet. Some of the things to consider as
causes.....vaccinations, certain drugs, insecticides, toxins and diseases
such as Cushing's, diabetes, hypothyroidism.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Carol Wimmer" <my3jcs@yahoo.com>

> They believe the pancreatitis was brought on by the
> pork. The vet said she has seen many cases of this
> due to pork. My other 2 dogs have also begun
> vomiting, so pork has officially been taken off the
> menu.

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1c. Re: Help! Sick pup
Posted by: "tuggley" kim@redhotmama.com tuggley
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 6:03 pm ((PDT))

how are the two dogs that did not go to emergency?

just to give you a different perspective. in my opinion good choice to
go to the vet. in cases of pancretitis a dog needs to have all water
and food withheld so the pancreatic enzymes can normalize. so unless,
you are capable of administering iv fluids and other supportive care a
vet clinic is needed. dogs who are not properly supported can die of
pancreatitis. also, an increasing temp is the body crying out for
help. if it does not get it, the brain can be damaged.

sounds to me like your intuition was right on.

as for the diet.....you will find the right combinations for your
pups....i hope you don't let this scare take you off the track.

kim

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Carol Wimmer <my3jcs@...> wrote:
>
> I call all my guys "pups", but he is actually 7 years
> old. I spent the night laying with him on the kitchen
> floor and when his temp rose to 104.5 and he couldn't
> hold down the smallest amount of water, I got him to
> emergency. He is dehydrated and has pancreatitis.
> They believe the pancreatitis was brought on by the
> pork. The vet said she has seen many cases of this
> due to pork. My other 2 dogs have also begun
> vomiting, so pork has officially been taken off the
> menu. 3 vomiting dogs + hubby who wants to go back
> to kibble = very frustrated ME!!!
>
> Carol
> Rocky,Rex,Mack
> --- mikkeny <mikken@...> wrote:
>
> > > I'm worried
> > > about dehydration at this point and am thinking I
> > need to get to the emergency vet.
> >
> > Carol,
> >
> > I would not automatically assume that this is
> > food-related.
> > Puppy+repeated vomiting= vet trip, imo.
> >
> > You're right - dehydration is always a concern with
> > the little guys.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Casey
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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1d. Re: Help! Sick pup
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 6:05 pm ((PDT))

Hi Carol

I know it's easy to blame the pork and it may have very well been as
all 3 of your dogs are vomiting and it's easy to remember what you
last fed them.......

But you might look at a couple of other things. Had any of the dogs
been out anywhere
in the last couple of days where they might have picked up a virus
and brought it home?

Could someone come in for a visit that brought something in on their
shoes?

Have they been out playing where they could have gotten into
something?

There seems to be a lot of virus' going around this summer and lots
of stomach upsets.

I've heard of a lot of dogs here, that I suspect got to much pork for
that first meal and threw up or got diarrhea but other than your dog,
I haven't heard of one that got a temp that high, so I would suspect
something else is going on..........

I don't know if this is any help.....and hope they all feel better
quickly.........

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Carol Wimmer <my3jcs@...> wrote:

but he is actually 7 years
> old. I spent the night laying with him on the kitchen
> floor and when his temp rose to 104.5 and he couldn't
> hold down the smallest amount of water, I got him to
> emergency. He is dehydrated and has pancreatitis.
> They believe the pancreatitis was brought on by the
> pork.
>
> Carol
> Rocky,Rex,Mack

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1e. Re: Help! Sick pup
Posted by: "Carol Wimmer" my3jcs@yahoo.com my3jcs
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 8:18 pm ((PDT))

They haven't been out anywhere. It's really hot, so
it's quick morning and evening playtimes in the yard,
then back inside. No one brought anything in and the
dogs just go in our yard where it is enclosed by a 6
foot wall, so they couldn't pick anything up there. I
have racked my brain trying to figure out what
happened. I gave small amts. of pork all week before
the bigger meal on Thurs. They handled the small amt.
with no problem. I did give Rex and Mack a couple of
bites of fresh pineapple the afternoon before Rex got
sick, so I thought maybe the acid had something to do
with the vomiting. I'm just afraid, now that Rex has
pancreatitis, he will have trouble with anything
fattier then chicken and turkey. I know with this
diet there needs to be variety. I found a great deal
on whole talapia and have 8 huge fish in my freezer,
so he better like fish!

Carol
Rocky,Rex,Mack

Had any of the dogs
been out anywhere
in the last couple of days where they might have
picked up a virus
and brought it home?
>
> Could someone come in for a visit that brought
> something in on their
> shoes?
>
> Have they been out playing where they could have
> gotten into
> something?
>
> I've heard of a lot of dogs here, that I suspect got
> to much pork for
> that first meal and threw up or got diarrhea but
> other than your dog,
> I haven't heard of one that got a temp that high, so
> I would suspect
> something else is going on.....
>
> Carol, Charkee & Moli
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Carol Wimmer
> <my3jcs@...> wrote:
>
> but he is actually 7 years
> > old. I spent the night laying with him on the
> kitchen
> > floor and when his temp rose to 104.5 and he
> couldn't
> > hold down the smallest amount of water, I got him
> to
> > emergency. He is dehydrated and has pancreatitis.
>
> > They believe the pancreatitis was brought on by
> the
> > pork.
> >
> > Carol
> > Rocky,Rex,Mack
>
>
>
>
>

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2.1. Re: liver
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 2:39 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/2/2007 1:16:26 PM Pacific Standard Time,
fraserk7@hotmail.com writes:

Tripe? Can you tell me what that is? Cause hey I'll try it if it'll work!

Kaitlin,

More specifically, Green Tripe.. only available online or through specialized
processors. You can NOT buy it in a grocery store that sells human food in
the USA. check out these folks online:

Oma's Pride
Greentripe.com
Bravo
Haretoday
and i'm sure there are others.. those are the ones i can think of off the top
of my head.

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2.2. Re: liver
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 2:47 pm ((PDT))

>Tripe? Can you tell me what that is? Cause hey I'll try it if it'll work!

Hi. Tripe is..from cow and stinky,and read more on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripe

You may see white colored tripe but it is not wahtyou want.

What you want for dog is Green tripe. Unbleached one.

If you just started rawfeeding,you may want to wait a bit to try this way till dog gets digest other thing very well and then re-introduce the liver this way later though.

It is very nutrient rich stuff to give to dogs.

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2.3. Re: liver
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 5:40 pm ((PDT))

"Kaitlin Fraser" <fraserk7@...> wrote:
then he eats it fine( and
> hand fed) yes he's spoiled
*****
Unless he's dodderingly old, astonishingly young, seriously ill or the
sole source of a great deal of income, he would be better off not
spoiled. A spoiled dog in and of itself does not garner one bragging
rights.

At least now I know why you are making mealtime harder than it needs to
be!
Chris O

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2.4. Re: liver
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 6:00 pm ((PDT))

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
> It is very nutrient rich stuff to give to dogs.
>
*****
I suspect its nutrient density depends on how it has been processed. A
highly-rinsed tripe will likely have less to offer than a product that
has been barely rinsed. And one that's come straight outta the cow
will have even more nutrients to offer.

Tripe is great, tripe is good, but it's not a magic food.
Chris O

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2.5. Re: liver
Posted by: "Kaitlin Fraser" fraserk7@hotmail.com fraserk7
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 6:02 pm ((PDT))

He's my main show dog... so ya you could say he is of income... seeing as
main show dog typically means main stud and so forth down the road. He's
completely obedience trained... he has no socail problems... I see nothing
wrong with it.

Kaitlin Fraser
Prince SJA therapy dog, CGN
Jester SJA therapy dog CGN
Wenlisa's Command Performance HIC, CKC PTd "Malo" A work of art in
progress.( Raw Fed, )
Sheep's Kin Unusually Unusaul Kiska- Another work of art in even more
progress.( Raw fed)

No dogs are vaccinated in my home.

" No one can walk into a room and bring as much joy, happyness and love as a
single dog can"

>From: "costrowski75" <Chriso75@AOL.COM>
>Reply-To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
>To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: liver
>Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 00:40:40 -0000
>
>"Kaitlin Fraser" <fraserk7@...> wrote:
>then he eats it fine( and
> > hand fed) yes he's spoiled
>*****
>Unless he's dodderingly old, astonishingly young, seriously ill or the
>sole source of a great deal of income, he would be better off not
>spoiled. A spoiled dog in and of itself does not garner one bragging
>rights.
>
>At least now I know why you are making mealtime harder than it needs to
>be!
>Chris O
>

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2.6. Re: liver
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 6:26 pm ((PDT))

"Kaitlin Fraser" <fraserk7@...> wrote:
I see nothing
> wrong with it.
*****
Then don't complain.
Chris O

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3a. poop situation
Posted by: "Linda Edgington" lindagail849@yahoo.com lindagail849
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 3:23 pm ((PDT))

I think the poop situation is under control, finally. Giz seems to be having regular poops now, kinda soft yet but not sticking everywhere. I have been feeding rmb everyother day, just meat other days. Today they got another dot of liver. Yesterday I introduced beef and everything seemed to go well. I'm scared to death to try venison, which is what they are really going to have to like someday, cause I hunt and that is what I will be having the most of.

I am really limited in what I can feed, and most of it is chicken and pork. I live in the boonys and can't find alot of things, like lamb, goat etc. My problem is not getting Giz to eat, he will eat anything, it's just how it reacts. Is rabbit rich? I do have one in my freezer I could cut up for them. Giz 5.5# Sass 8 # (cat). How do I know what Sassy's ideal weight will be? She is one year old now. And still seems hungry so I have been giving her a bit more. I think I may actually get the hang of this. I think it's more getting *me* trained in than the animals.

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3b. Re: poop situation
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 5:05 pm ((PDT))

Hi Linda,

As the main meat in their diet, deer is great, much better than
chicken which is what to many have to use as their staple meat,
lol.....
My dogs love it and look forward to deer season and all the
goodies.....

I'm sure lots of us who get goat or lamb can't get deer, without
added expense, so you feed what you have and do the best you can
afford.

Since you're the one doing the hunting, keep everything,
lol.............you'll have some healthy dogs........

I don't know if your dogs will like rabbit, mine do, some
don't......mine especially love it given as a hunk with the fur on
it. They also love rabbit offal, one loves it too much, lol......

Rabbit is a really lean meat, not rich at all as is deer, so if you
can feed some pork & chicken now and then you'll be covering all the
bases..........

Hope this helps some......

Carol, Charkee & Moli (wild game, yeah!)

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Linda Edgington <lindagail849@...>
wrote:
I'm scared to death to try venison, which is what they are really
going to have to like someday, cause I hunt and that is what I will
be having the most of.
>
> I am really limited in what I can feed, and most of it is chicken
and pork.
Is rabbit rich?
>
Linda

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3c. Re: poop situation
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 6:23 pm ((PDT))

Linda Edgington <lindagail849@...> wrote:
I'm scared to death to try venison, which is what they are really
going to have to like someday, cause I hunt and that is what I will
be having the most of.
*****
Venison is a fine and wonderful meat. Introduce it gradually and as
sensibly as you have worked through the other meats and you ought not
have a problem. It really is worth the effort.

Is rabbit rich?
*****
Rabbit is lean, pretty boring. A dog may not like it; a dog may
respond loosely to rabbit if the intro meal consists of heaps of the
stuff (as it would typically respond to a large amount of any new
meat), but there's no particular intensity to it.

How do I know what Sassy's ideal weight will be? She is one year
old now. And still seems hungry so I have been giving her a bit more.
*****
I fed my young cat the same amount I fed my adult cat and cut back a
bit when the youngster got to looking a bit more self-satisifed than
I thought she should. She loves her raw food and at three years
would still have you believe she hasn't eaten in days. I've found
that "big and complicated" works as well for her as it does my dogs
(although with different "big" and different "complicated" entirely.

I think it's more getting *me* trained in than the animals.
*****
LOL
Just realizing that is a huge step forward!
Chris o

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3d. Re: poop situation
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 7:49 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Linda!
What about turkey? The holiday season will be coming up
sooner than you can blink, and if you get a bunch during the sale
times, it can help you to add a little more protein variety into the mix.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

<snip>
> I am really limited in what I can feed, and most of it is chicken
and pork. I live in the boonys and can't find a lot of things, like
lamb, goat etc.
<snip>
I think I may actually get the hang of this. I think it's more
getting *me* trained in than the animals.
>
> Linda

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4a. 1st time feeding raw
Posted by: "hd_peterson" hd_peterson@yahoo.com hd_peterson
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 5:06 pm ((PDT))

Hello, Thank you everyone for all of the good information provided
here. I have 7 dogs ranging in weight from 8 lbs to 80 lbs. Tonight
was thier first time eating raw. I bought some chicken leg quarters
and some chicken backs to feed them. All of my dogs loved it except
for one. He would not touch it and looked at me like I was crazy. I
even tried to cut it up into smaller pieces. Then I tried searing it.
He still would not eat it. What else can I do to make it more
appetizing for him. Thank you.

Heidi

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4b. Re: 1st time feeding raw
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 5:14 pm ((PDT))

Heidi,

You can try warming it (in a baggie in warm water), slicing into the meat,
sprinkling with Parmesan. Anything to release or enhance the flavor as
chicken is quite bland compared to cooked or processed foods! If you have
kibble in the house, you might want to get rid of it. Some dogs will hold
out hoping for more of that good tasting stuff!! :))

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "hd_peterson" <hd_peterson@yahoo.com>

Hello, Thank you everyone for all of the good information provided
here. I have 7 dogs ranging in weight from 8 lbs to 80 lbs. Tonight
was thier first time eating raw. I bought some chicken leg quarters
and some chicken backs to feed them. All of my dogs loved it except
for one. He would not touch it and looked at me like I was crazy. I
even tried to cut it up into smaller pieces. Then I tried searing it.
He still would not eat it. What else can I do to make it more
appetizing for him. Thank you.

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4c. Re: 1st time feeding raw
Posted by: "esmolensky" esmolensky@yahoo.com esmolensky
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 5:16 pm ((PDT))

All of my dogs loved it except
> for one. He would not touch it and looked at me like I was crazy. I
> even tried to cut it up into smaller pieces. Then I tried searing
it.
> He still would not eat it. What else can I do to make it more
> appetizing for him. Thank you.

Try sprinkling a little parmesan cheese or a little garlic powder or
fresh garlic, also frozen might help.

E & Reagan

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4d. Re: 1st time feeding raw _more info needed
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 5:40 pm ((PDT))

Hi Heidi,

Can we get some more information? Which dog wouldn't eat? Older,
smaller?

Were all the dogs feed together? Did this dog eat anything earlier in
the day?

Has he had his teeth checked, good teeth? No ear infections?

Thanks,

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "hd_peterson" <hd_peterson@...>
wrote:
I have 7 dogs ranging in weight from 8 lbs to 80 lbs. Tonight
> was thier first time. All of my dogs loved it except
> for one. He would not touch it and looked at me like I was crazy. I
> even tried to cut it up into smaller pieces. Then I tried searing
it.
> He still would not eat it. What else can I do to make it more
> appetizing for him. Thank you.
>
> Heidi

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4e. Re: 1st time feeding raw _more info needed
Posted by: "hd_peterson" hd_peterson@yahoo.com hd_peterson
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 6:03 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tottime47" <tottime@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Heidi,
>
> Can we get some more information? Which dog wouldn't eat? Older,
> smaller?
> My one year old 65 lbs male golden retriever

> Were all the dogs feed together? Did this dog eat anything earlier
in
> the day?
No I put the smaller dogs in their crates, the german shepherd
outside and kept my two goldens in the kitchen. I did not feed them
anything since yesterday.
>
> Has he had his teeth checked, good teeth? No ear infections?
> His teeth are good, no ear infections, but a month ago he had a
bilateral femoral head ostetomy. He had severe hip dysplasia, was in
a lot of pain and was not a candidate for hip replacement.

Thank you again for any help.

Heidi
>
>
>
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "hd_peterson" <hd_peterson@>
> wrote:
> I have 7 dogs ranging in weight from 8 lbs to 80 lbs. Tonight
> > was thier first time. All of my dogs loved it except
> > for one. He would not touch it and looked at me like I was
crazy. I
> > even tried to cut it up into smaller pieces. Then I tried
searing
> it.
> > He still would not eat it. What else can I do to make it more
> > appetizing for him. Thank you.
> >
> > Heidi
>

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4f. Re: 1st time feeding raw _more info needed
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 6:36 pm ((PDT))

Hi Heidi,

He may still be in some pain from the surgery.....I took a quick
glance at a site that said there could still be pain after that
procedure......

It may just be a case of too many things to cope with to soon...

If he were mine I'd try some of the hints here on getting him to eat...

Cutting it up or adding something like cheese or searing in a little
butter......Maybe to get him to start it would be ok to hand feed him
smaller pieces......He may just not be up too standing long enough to
chew up new foods, yet......I don't know, maybe he's back to running
around with the others, lol?

Hope this helps some & good luck!

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "hd_peterson" <hd_peterson@...>
wrote:

> > His teeth are good, no ear infections, but a month ago he had a
> bilateral femoral head ostetomy. He had severe hip dysplasia, was in
> a lot of pain and was not a candidate for hip replacement.
>
> Thank you again for any help.
>
> Heidi
He would not touch it and looked at me like I was
> crazy.

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4g. Re: 1st time feeding raw _more info needed
Posted by: "hd_peterson" hd_peterson@yahoo.com hd_peterson
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 6:44 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tottime47" <tottime@...> wrote:
>Thank you for all of the information. I will try again tomorrow with
all of your ideas and let you know how it goes.

Heidi

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4h. Re: 1st time feeding raw
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 6:55 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/2/2007 4:07:09 PM Pacific Standard Time,
hd_peterson@yahoo.com writes:

Then I tried searing it.
He still would not eat it. What else can I do to make it more
appetizing for him.

Heidi,

you can wait him out.. offer him the food at meal time and if he doesn't eat,
pick it up and put it away after 15 or 20 minutes.. no fuss, no muss.

don't feed him ANYTHING, no treats, nothing until his next meal time and
offer him a meal. If he still refuses to eat repeat this process until he decides
that it's food.

You are NOT starving him.. you are offering him food that he is refusing to
eat. If he doesn't eat in a few days try another type of meat, like pork or
turkey and have a real good look at his teeth to rule out a sore tooth keeping
him from eating.

Catherine R.

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5a. Re: feeding organs
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 5:12 pm ((PDT))

>>Organ should be given 10% of total daily intake.Out of the 10% should be liver andtheother 5% is either kidney or something else.<<

Well, I will tell you that I am much, much more casual about feeding organs!! I absolutely do not feed it every day, and IMO, that's way too rigid for my liking. I aim for "balance over time" with variety of meat, amount of organs, feeding times, etc. I feed liver and/or other organs, when I remember. It may be three days in a row, then not for a couple of weeks. It *might* be every day for a week, then not for a month. I'm honestly not convinced it *needs* to be a daily menu item. And the rawfed dogs here (six years and counting) don't seem to care, one way or the other.

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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5b. Re: feeding organs
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sun Sep 2, 2007 6:02 pm ((PDT))

Hi Anne,

You're a lady after my own heart, lol..If I had to feed on a rigid
amount, I'd never make it...

My little furballs eat when they start yapping and it's whatever is
thawed at the moment, lol.

Carol, Charkee & Moli ( Thank goodness mom's so relaxed)

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Michael Moore <m-tak@...> wrote:

> Well, I will tell you that I am much, much more casual about
feeding organs!! I absolutely do not feed it every day, and IMO,
that's way too rigid for my liking. I aim for "balance over time" with
variety of meat, amount of organs, feeding times, etc.
> -- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden
rescue) in NW Ohio

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