[rawfeeding] Re: Do I really have to wait to go raw?

"mwood8402" <mwood8402@...> wrote:
> The nutritionist did tell me to feed veggies (cooked and
> blenderized), which I thought was wrong. But again, she said that
he
> needed them because of his IBD. I told her what I had read on this
> list and she said that people on the internet have "tunnel vison
and
> think only one way is right" and have no formal education and blah
> blah blah. She also insisted that cooked and blenderized veggies
> could be digested.
*****
If you don't agree with the goal, it's tunnel vision. If you agree
with the goal, it's called keeping your eye on the prize. This is
never gonna change.

Processed veggies can be digested because the processing (whether
it's blendering or freezing or cooking) breaks down the cellulose
that dogs on their own with their own set of tools cannot break
down.

The issue, to me, is not whether these processed veggies can be
digested, but rather why a wolf's food should be subject to
artificial intervention in the first place. It seems awfully awfully
simple to me: if the wolf on its own in its own environment cannot
digest unprocessed veggies, the wolf does not require veggies as a
source of nutrition. Anything processed veggies can provide, a
wolf's species appropriate diet will also provide--digested and ready
to be put to use.

> Kai is also possibly allergic to chicken. At least, he has never
> done well on a chicken based kibble. But it could have been
> something else in there, even though I was supposedly feeding
> a "super premium kibble" I guess he never did well on any kibble,
> but seemed to do worse on chicken kibble. Anyway, do you guys
think
> I should start him on chicken anyway?
*****
It's pretty useless to rely on the results of chicken kibble to
determine the value of minimally processed raw chicken. If you want
to try chicken, try it. If you're comfortable with the results from
cooked lamb, beef and fish, continue with them raw. You can always
introduce chicken later. Or never.

Problem with lamb and beef is a basic lack of edible bone, especially
for a newbie dog. Chicken offers edible bone. That and price are
probably chicken's greatest contributions to raw feeding.

On the plus side you don't need to feed bone right off, so you don't
have to resolve the edible bone issue immediately. On the minus side
though, edible bone is the "fiber" that IBD dogs may require. I
mean, forget calcium for the time being.

If you can't find an acceptable source of edible bone, you have to
find something. If processed veggies are the likely "fiber"
candidate, then maybe--for now--you have to use them. Perhaps your
nutritionist is not familiar/comfortable with the idea of meaty raw
bones. That might explain her infatuation with cooked veggies.

Push comes to shove, I'd rather see cooked veggies used as "fiber"
than grains (ack!).

Right now he's eating cooked
> fish, beef, and lamb.
*****
I'd really like to know ALL of what you're feeding. What supplements
are you using? Are you adding calcium? Are you using grains or
veggies as roughage?
Chris O

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